Would America Be Better Under Communism? | Middle Ground
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0:00 Intro
00:38 America would be a more powerful country under communism
11:03 Giving people government aid makes them lazy
19:09 Women are more empowered in a communist society
28:01 Only the rich benefit from capitalism
34:46 There is no perfect economic model
42:03 The purpose of an economy should be to maximize the well-being of the population
@jubilee 4 місяці тому
Unreleased prompt is up on our Patreon 👉 bit.ly/4ahMyzP “Communism has caused more suffering than capitalism has”
@ashurahadams 4 місяці тому
Please do an ODD ONE OUT with artist/painters
@ofanatema6457 4 місяці тому
I will try making money next to watch you guys I love your videos serious ones and non serious I feel like I'm close to your channel and videos kinda creepy💀
@luisfilipe2023 4 місяці тому
Absolutely agree
@MaxAbramson3 4 місяці тому
Not a fair measure. Most of the world's population lived under some form of capitalism from 1700s to 1930s. From the 1930-90s most lived under socialist politicians.
@AroundTheBest 4 місяці тому
Capitalists came with facts. Communists came with feelings.
@lilbill15 4 місяці тому
Not gonna lie at this point jubilee should just do actual debates and allow the guest to prepare and come with both statistics and anecdotes that way you get the numbers and reality side of whatever topic it is
@savannahrichardson254 4 місяці тому
Yesssss!!!
@greg4527 4 місяці тому
Well plenty of their guests come on prepared. Two on the capitalism side are political pundits online, and so is at least one on the communism side. These videos usually 50% or more of them come in with the talking points ready to go.
@jamient 4 місяці тому
I liked how they did it with Undecided where there was a moderator up there with them keeping everyone on track and asking follow-up questions.
@RelaxjocelinEnjoy 4 місяці тому
I absolutely agree they both get sited information and also are able to know the prompts as well as have fact on hands!!
@iwonthesitatebitch.570 4 місяці тому
yes, its embarrassing when one side is so ill prepared they get absolutely bodied
@gabriellareynoso2956 4 місяці тому
Again, this series desperately needs: 1) Live fact checking 2) Better moderation 3) Better preparation from the participants (encourage them to come with stats and articles and numbers) So many of these discussions go off the rails bc people are saying things that either aren't true or aren't on prompt and it's so frustrating.
@cutewithoutheetbs0282 4 місяці тому
Often times it seems like they select people who are knowledgeable on their opinion, only on one side, just like in the Palestine one a few days ago. They should have had Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, who had lived experiences to speak. Not “my aunt” story. The amount of lies that went unchecked was gross.
@JeyC_ 4 місяці тому
@@cutewithoutheetbs0282 read my comment above
@socrates260 4 місяці тому
You need live fact checking because you lack underlying knowledge. Stop being lazy and inform yourself first before you form uninformed opinions 😁
@overlordfemto7523 4 місяці тому
And who’s in charge of the fact checking? The people who think men can get pregnant?
@1coolgyrl 4 місяці тому
They cast actors and influencers for these debates. Some they call in multiple times for different topics. They actually need to get knowledgeable experts to debate these topics.
@MrUnlimitedTorque 6 днів тому
"China has abolished poverty" OMG that guy is so lost in his fantasy world 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@user-fw5gp2me9b 6 днів тому
ikr 🤣 his attitude was the worst, thinking hes smart .
@dinocollins720 5 днів тому
no doubt!!! What a joke haha
@caster863 4 дні тому
But China did abolish poverty! By changing the definition of the word poverty!
@ww-nk6lf 4 дні тому
Chinas not eveb communist Its capitalism under a central authoritarian govt
@aiden5307 4 дні тому
@@ww-nk6lf China is way more communist than America hence why it’s a common point of discussion in debates like these.
@Dangkles 4 місяці тому
If Jubilee decides to start fact checking these debates, they’re would be so much more valuable
@paulieteezo 4 місяці тому
Completely disagree. Just look at the fact checking sites we have now that have a clear bias. I think we should let the conversation stand for itself without the channel going “um actually, according to cherry-picked sources, this is incorrect”
@eliasejam508 4 місяці тому
I disagree, placing the burden of fact checking on jubilee is a dangerous thing. They’re supposed to only be the medium, if they suddenly begin shutting people down, the conversation would devolve. Secondly, certain so called “fact checkers” might have vested interest in individual subjects. In the end, the responsibility of fact checking always comes back to you.
@bighuncho_ 4 місяці тому
You have a cpu in your pocket to read the literature
@laniack1232 4 місяці тому
You can’t fact check with no bias anymore that’s why they don’t do it
@QHYPEZFIFAGAMEPLAY7 4 місяці тому
@@bighuncho_can you believe the audacity
@zamasumaycry3325 4 місяці тому
It’s really annoying when a conversation starts actually getting somewhere or someone is making their point and they eventually just cut to the next prompt. They’ve done it much more often recently and then started charging you to go watch their full version. I don’t want to pay for the full version if it’s still gonna be lackluster question topics, people consistently cutting each other off with no moderation and their arguments eventually getting cut off to get to the next topic. I would pay/support if it meant the quality would be better but it’s literally the same video with an extra topic.
@bertramclement6702 4 місяці тому
Capitalism baby
@wilfredolynxrivera3349 4 місяці тому
😂😂 @@bertramclement6702
@JLDREAMS 4 місяці тому
Cus capitalism babe. Jubjub's gotta eat ~
@brutallyhonestfrank5542 4 місяці тому
If you can't afford $3 a month to distract yourself with pseudo-intellectual gratification, you should be Intellectually Present in your real life. Get your money up, not your funny up.
@zamasumaycry3325 4 місяці тому
@@brutallyhonestfrank5542 always some weirdo to start saying someone’s broke when that’s never even the conversation being had.
@miguelangelalgaranaz1471 5 днів тому
Molomo trying his hardest to play the nice guy but being extremely condescending and not taking into any consideration any of the points being mentioned is crazyyyy.
@AppleOfThineEye 2 дні тому
He definitely has a persecution complex. Super transparent when he tried to tell one of the capitalists that she was being "demeaning" when she was defining communism.
@miguelangelalgaranaz1471 2 дні тому
@@AppleOfThineEye he’s the living definition of wanting the cake and eating it too.
@Crimea_River День тому
He's insufferable. "stop interrupting" as he interrupts everyone else. Then he totally agrees that government aid makes people lazy but he's supposed to be a Communist?
@girgirlana 5 годин тому
He acts so politically correct but I got such misogynistic vibes from him. The way he continually puts his hand over his mouth and smirks when Hannah starts to speak… so rude.
@vadimkozlov3008 Місяць тому
They picked the wrong people to have this discussion.
@davidthompson184 2 дні тому
True. But it’s hard to find an intelligent communist.
@nameless4827 2 дні тому
@@davidthompson184 Both sides aren't intelligent in this video
@mattlol163 День тому
@@nameless4827 Not true AT ALL..... you either didnt watch the video OR you were not smart enough to understand what was said. The Capitalist were giving nothing but facts, stats, and history.... along with the difference between a government vs an economic system. And the fact this 3 communist couldnt understand this, only speaks to their level of ignorance.
@davidthompson184 День тому
@@nameless4827 I agree.
@waynedamron8006 День тому
@@davidthompson184not true at all. There are actually really well learned smart people that advocate for communism. Just because it hasn't been implemented correctly because we suck as humans and always want more for some reason, I'm guilty too. But the actual logical argument in my very limited knowledge leans towards sharing of wealth for EVERYONE not just "them"
@junoji 4 місяці тому
I feel like jubilee should have a mediator that makes sure no one gets interrupted and an after credits where everyone’s points are fact-checked. I can see these videos being educational in seeing other perspectives but I think Jubilee need to make sure misinformation isn’t being spread.
@jonathanlee-cf1vf 4 місяці тому
So you are not a proponent of free speech is what you’re saying.
@DarlingDaintyfoot 4 місяці тому
@@jonathanlee-cf1vf Making sure people are able to finish what they are saying & correcting any possible, or even perceived, mistakes after people have been able to say what they want is not an imposition on free speech. These days, I would be concerned about the accuracy of the "fact checking", but even if the fact checking was entirely misrepresenting the facts of the topic, it still wouldn't be an imposition on the participant's freedom to say what they wish as long as it allowed them to say what they wish &, I would argue, didn't deceptively edit that. Am I misunderstanding what you were describing in your comment?
@laikanbarth 4 місяці тому
Agree. Basically, Jubilee just lets these people come in and argue with each other. There’s always one loud mouthed person who talks over everyone else and interrupts. I would just like them to have a freaking mediator at this point so that everyone can get a chance to speak.
@overlordfemto7523 4 місяці тому
And who’s in charge of the fact checking? 😂🤡😂🤡
@reesetruitt5491 4 місяці тому
The problem with fact-checking is that for a lot of things in economics, there is a ton of mixed evidence. In an economy, there's a million and one variables, and those are very hard to control for. It would also put a lot of pressure on Jubilee, making them act as an arbiter of truth.
@cumobama1398 4 місяці тому
I think this is the first time jubilee has brought on real leftists and not neoliberal democrafts and while it was definitely refreshing, the conversation seemed to go in too many directions to be cohesive. I think middleground needs a much more active moderator to keep everyone on track. No one actually even discussed the first prompt about power, it went straight into a general argument of capitalism vs communism in general.
@jorganquesavidez6618 4 місяці тому
100% agree, the constant interrupts and not allowing people to finish their points makes this episode unwatchable
@iwonthesitatebitch.570 4 місяці тому
its like they all wanted to get out their own personal take they prepared beforehand
@Homesick47 4 місяці тому
😂that's these radical leftists
@FungusMossGnosis 4 місяці тому
What distinguished these yuppie cosplaying "real" leftists from "neoliberal" Democrats? Not saying the Capitalist side had much to offer substantively, either. They all struck me as varying shades of educated fools spouting theory and preset rhetoric at each other, no real world solutions.
@Jordanbobba 4 місяці тому
So glad all these leftists have zero power in the government now
@RememberingWW2 4 дні тому
The guy whose family is from the Congo is wearing an $800 Versace outfit complaining about capitalism 😂
@jyfertse2176 2 дні тому
why not, in the real world, developed capitalism is combined with imperialism, without imperialism is what happened in the third-world capitalist country like Congo
@DaciYT 2 дні тому
That's not a versace shirt, that's a $20 shirt from walmart
@NachoInsano 2 дні тому
@@DaciYTit’s smersache
@mattlol163 2 дні тому
And lets not forget to mention how truly smug he is, passive aggressive comments, CLEARLY a full time victim, which is just a complete embarrassment to everything hie family went through to GET HERE. Clearly was never taught HOW to think, only taught WHAT to think.
@waynedamron8006 День тому
@@mattlol163here's my thing, you can't discount another person's experience. I would always listen to your experience so listen to his. Probably crazy different from yours as mine is to you. But you can't just say that maybe he hasn't become successful and bought a nice shirt but still realize our system is fucked. I just want it known some things can suck while also saying other things suck
@andrewmcvay9204 Місяць тому
Pretty sure Bunny bashes American apologists while simultaneously being a Chinese apologist. The irony of her moving to America from China and then saying women don't want to live here in comparison to places like China is wild.
@spider6660 Місяць тому
People move from China to the US to avoid fierce competition in Chinese society. Just because the US is the land of opportunity doesn't mean it's safe.
@ReggieMiranda-Galvan Місяць тому
Very true! Wow I did not catch that.
@Gurzil- 29 днів тому
Moving to America from communist China, start advocating communism for America... interesting!
@Bewefau 24 дні тому
should could have been made to come here by her parents.
@andrewmcvay9204 24 дні тому
@@Bewefau Sure, however she's not only chosen to stay in her adult age, but to also utilize America's capitalistic system and become a very successful twitch streamer. Make that make sense.
@panka303 4 місяці тому
I would have loved to see an Eastern European involved in this conversation.
@popplers5entropy647 4 місяці тому
or a Lybian or South American
@blazer9547 4 місяці тому
Doesn't matter, capitalism won. Deal with it
@YoelAndMari 4 місяці тому
Or us, Cubans. Who have lived under communist ideology
@kidmack3556 4 місяці тому
Yes, someone who lived in the USSR and came to retirement age at the tail end of Perestroika, and or someone who had been a skilled professional in any of the Eastern Bloc nations and immigrated to the U.S. 1989-1992
@tiborfuri9295 4 місяці тому
Exacly become from my experience from parents and people from czechoslovakia and later what i learned is that corruption was a big part of society not only in surtain industries but everywhere. Becouse czechoslovakia was one of the economicly more prospering socialist countries. They wanted to abolish the wealthy rich and made the most people in the same economic weight class as. And that was exacly the perfect breading ground for corruption becouse working harder wouldnt made you more money or freedom but your connections help from family members or some tasty bribes were the only thing common people could get more than they had before
@slimkt 4 місяці тому
I would’ve loved if a moderator came in and gave explicit definitions of capitalism and communism because they are not universally agreed upon in general, and I’m sure even in this small sample size, most of them would not agree on a single definition.
@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici 4 місяці тому
The capitalist girl didn't even know what she was debating lol doesn't even know what capitalism is
@hakeemfrancis1099 4 місяці тому
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusViciFunny you say that considering how communists think cronyism and corporatism is capitalist. And the weird communist girl thinks North Korea isn’t communist. Plus Hannah said the definition multiple times are you deaf.
@reed6514 4 місяці тому
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicii don't think that's fair. As a socialist, I've found it very frustrating to have capitalists define what socialism is. Like, the socialists should get to say what socialism is. Similarly, the capitalists should get to own their definition too. But yeah, she wasn't really arguing in favor of what i view capitalism as. She was arguing in favor of free trade and small government. She wasn't arguing for the mass accumulation of wealth, nor was she clearly arguing for capital to control the means of production.
@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici 4 місяці тому
@@reed6514 she's one of those "I read Wikipedia so now I have a political opinion" type clouded by decades of indoctrination. She needs to read Marx and Engels.
@korpen2858 4 місяці тому
Abolition of private property
@ilovewomen69 Місяць тому
you guys seriously need to have all of these episodes moderated, this is like a competition of who can talk louder and interrupt the most
@jamesgober7705 4 дні тому
For real. I turned it off not even 5 minutes in because this.
@ryou6453 3 дні тому
Most average politics / economics debate tbh
@aidenisduranarzuaga4030 Місяць тому
These communists talking about Cuba without even setting foot there ever in their lives has me liviiiiiiddd.
@bambbambboyguy123 11 днів тому
Facts my ex gf from there and happy she’s gone
@aadhavanbalachandran7164 7 днів тому
These anti-communists talking about every former socialist country without even setting foot there ever in their lives has me liviiiiiiddd.
@aidenisduranarzuaga4030 7 днів тому
@@aadhavanbalachandran7164 well I’m Cuban born and raised and have suffered the effects of such a horrible system in my own skin, stop assuming things
@aadhavanbalachandran7164 7 днів тому
@@aidenisduranarzuaga4030 Raised in Miami?
@aidenisduranarzuaga4030 7 днів тому
@@aadhavanbalachandran7164 no, raised in Cuba
@ohgiesel 4 дні тому
"In China you're more free" bunny oh someone should tell her about the Uyghurs.
@RememberingWW2 3 дні тому
Someone should offer her a one-way ticket back to China and see if she takes them up on it.
@TheTariqibnziyad 2 дні тому
I dont know what this girl is doing with them
@karlos_marxican-godless-co1712 2 дні тому
Someone should tell you about their own brutal domestic fight against terrorism...
@K.J.H_ 2 дні тому
I think someone is banking her social credits abroad
@bouji_ 2 дні тому
Do you seriously think the United States would have any patience for separatists inside of their own borders? We both know the answer to that question.
@HotFryReptiles432567 4 місяці тому
Please do a middle ground on doctors and patients. I've seen such a divide lately on how patients perceive doctors and vice versa
@RatsAreNice222 4 місяці тому
Amazing idea
@mangomadnnesss 4 місяці тому
NURSES VS PATIENTS!!!
@Spaceysgurl 4 місяці тому
WOW. I love this.
@mikitea68 4 місяці тому
Yeah would love it. Maybe if we got doctors from the worst states for healthcare vs doctors from the best states, we can see, as patients, why people like me have menhorragia for 35-40 days and no one cares.
@traviscollura2440 4 місяці тому
Even doctors have their own doctors though. Every doctor has been a patient, but not every patient has been a doctor.
@ayomideadesipo7255 4 місяці тому
Seeing Tai Lopez resurface in mainstream media after not hearing about this guy in years feels like a fever dream 😂
@SmellyFeetFinder 4 місяці тому
shouldn´t give this guy a stage tbh
@BassNotes_B-Rad 4 місяці тому
I was like, isn't that the guy that showed off his lambo and is like "You wanna know how I got this car? KNOWLEDGEEE"
@InternetGirl1093 4 місяці тому
Is he a scammer?
@SmellyFeetFinder 4 місяці тому
@@InternetGirl1093 kinda, he´s an I make you rich coach
@Sincewayback1997 4 місяці тому
@@InternetGirl1093no
@samuelking4723 2 місяці тому
I’ll save you 40 minutes: NO.
@DamnMyNickIsTaken 3 дні тому
I knew the answer before I clicked on the video. I am here for entertainment! 😁
@mclt8883 3 дні тому
Several I'll informed kids.
@kingzingo1784 3 дні тому
Yes
@CoffeeNBage15 День тому
Communism < Capitalism < Ryan Reynolds
@samuelking4723 День тому
@@kingzingo1784 Ok then move to Cuba and tell us how you like it
@m_rod9562 2 дні тому
“…Im black in America.” Oh boy, here we go with the victim mentality. Bro couldn’t go 5 minutes without pulling out the victim card.
@wynterleblanc2384 4 місяці тому
I really wish the moderators kept them on track for each question. It’s so frustrating watching everyone interrupt/talk over each other. I would love to see people who are able to have a debate without getting so worked up they don’t allow the other side to talk.
@laikanbarth 4 місяці тому
It’s so annoying. It doesn’t feel like a debate. It feels like they just sit people down to argue with each other and there’s always one loud mouthed person who cuts other people off constantly and talks more than anyone else.
@wynterleblanc2384 4 місяці тому
@@laikanbarth I agree! It’s very annoying, I just want to listen to a proper debate with individuals that aren’t attacking each other.
@starsretical9039 4 місяці тому
@@laikanbarthit’s how they get views. If they didn’t make it like that, less would watch
@CarpetHater 4 місяці тому
I have noticed that middle ground episodes have become longer and longer because they often steer off from the topics, almost no visible moderation.
@wynterleblanc2384 3 місяці тому
@@pinkmama6077 I can see your point in diving deeper on a topic, but a huge annoyance (for me) is when everyone is talking over one another and you can’t hear any of the points, or some people are unheard. Also, a lot of these people aren’t experts and when some state “facts” they refuse to back it up (in some videos) which is also interesting.
@omnium_gatherum 4 місяці тому
Molombo being like "let her finish what she's saying" while simultaneously trying to interrupt everyone else is humorous at best
@jimjim4564 4 місяці тому
For real. I'm on the communist side but Molombo was extremely annoying and egotistical.
@clashr2719 4 місяці тому
My thoughts exactly, people like him are so annoying I don't believe they have genuine interest in anything except themselves and how they come across.
@MonkeyB5 4 місяці тому
Loved when he was by himself on the "Only the rich benefit" prompt and he had NOTHING to say, then proceeded to try to realign himself with the other two beside him when they didn't even agree with him 🤣 People like him just want to belong somewhere.
@Random-sk6hm 4 місяці тому
I'm on the communist side but I agree, that was annoying af
@mralexsambo 4 місяці тому
So true! 😂😂😂
@Mudkippzs Місяць тому
Someone who makes 'content' wants to be paid the same as a software engineer. It's not communism, it's just veiled entitlement.
@mortalakira 6 днів тому
not at all, its just that she wants to have support for her job like the software engineer does i think, things like a retirement axcount blah blah
@donkeycong665 4 дні тому
But she does not actually provide value to society
@dylanthygamer1593 3 дні тому
@@mortalakira Communism would be a terrible economic system for content creators and other creative arts lmao, the only reason she get's paid as an entertainer is because of supply and demand eg: Capitalism
@alanakbar1665 2 дні тому
@@dylanthygamer1593exactly
@BlumChoi 3 місяці тому
The problem is that the communist side in this video is basing all of their ideas on what they read in ideological books as opposed to the reality but judge capitalism based on the reality as opposed to the ideological writings. Marx would always paint a rosier picture of his own ideology than the reality of applying said ideology.
@bigbeau1758 27 днів тому
The reality was never what Marx said. It contradicted his basic principles of workers control and not once did they ever try to become truly socialist or communist in depth. America on the other hand is both forged by liberalism and suffering.
@camilogallardo5262 26 днів тому
fr, when arguing for capitalism you're meant to argue for the system with potential flaws and all, not the monopoly free paradise described in writings, while when communism is argued they can simply say real communism hasn't existed without even addressing why every attempt falls short. The capitalist could easily say "true capitalism has never existed either as its described in ideological writings" then paint a picture which solves all current criticisms of the system by quoting adam smith.
@Fallstorm777 22 дні тому
Totally disagree. It is a fact the U.S. by the WHO ranked 37th in Health care. Yet the capitalist (namely the lady in blue) when confronted with this went into conspiracy theories lol
@user-yh4ee4is2r 7 днів тому
Carl marx is very wrong of his prediction and analysis,that if the nation or country was ruled by communist socialism,the community or people's was lives in Harmony.....
@Fallstorm777 7 днів тому
Well, actually if you look at the poorest countries in the world the vast majority of them are not socialist/ communist. So we actually can look at real world data such as the global poverty index. Likewise while there is no pure country of any type such as pure capitalist as so for the countries that consistently rank the happiest are more socialistic counties such as the various Scandinavian countries like Norway, etc. Shall we look at healthcare rankings? I'm don't mean cost because more capitalist countries like the U.S. rank number 1 in cost. I mean health care quality. Capitalism isn't winning on that one either.
@technofire_cake1115 4 місяці тому
The government is so mistrusted in the US and I am glad they all agreed to that.
@taurianferguson 4 місяці тому
Many of the things they were complaining about with the respective countries weren't matters of economy.
@kalamari3288 4 місяці тому
@@taurianfergusonTo be fair, communism isn’t just about the economy either.
@KeepItCute22 4 місяці тому
@@taurianferguson A county’s economy affects everything. That’s why every type of economic system has its pros and cons. There is no one size fits all.
@taurianferguson 4 місяці тому
@@KeepItCute22 the problem with all governments and economic systems are that they involve people. Kinda agree with that girl that robots need to take over.
@soph____461 4 місяці тому
funny thing is, communism is all about trusting the government and having the government own everything.
@WippetWzrd 4 місяці тому
Ain’t no way they tried to defend the one child policy in the female empowerment prompt
@Matildalovess 4 місяці тому
My exact thoughts. Female infanticide and Forced ab*rtions don’t happen in china apparently
@Homesick47 4 місяці тому
To be a communist is to be delusional lol
@TierDvik 4 місяці тому
And that came from Bunny, the female streamer from China, FEMALE... from China... saying the one child policy was empowering for woman. I can only assume all she hears in her head is Looney Tunes and "ohh SHINY"
@shalini_sevani 4 місяці тому
India is very much a capitalist country. They are now going to implement a two child policy.
@rightnow7068 4 місяці тому
The one-child policy led to mass female feticide/infanticide and now the sex trafficking of women. That Bunny chick is very ignorant.
@SuperNurbu 2 місяці тому
Really enjoyed this video. This is the quality of debate that I highly appreciate. Thank you to all the participants, they seems very knowledgeable, talented and respectful. Thank you.😊😊
@rochellemendonca8347 27 днів тому
I salute your level of sarcasm. Well done dude. Respect. 🤝🫡
@67NewEngland 2 місяці тому
-15:07 “certain societies use communism well..” Those are social programs she refers to, like the Social Security system here, her examples are not communism.
@Olahve982 3 місяці тому
I want to see a discussion between people who have lived within capitalism vs communism.
@ModernMozart1104 Місяць тому
Excellent response.
@zachbohemian Місяць тому
communism never existed, they'll be talking about their experience in the ussr or so-called communist countries
@user-uq6ht Місяць тому
@@zachbohemian exactly cuz communism will never exist it requires dictatorship in the modern world
@nicolasbascunan4013 Місяць тому
They were communist.
@andrewrogers3067 Місяць тому
@@zachbohemianCommunism sucks so terribly that the act of merely implementing it collapses the nation
@hudsoncolasanti7544 4 місяці тому
We’re not gonna talk about how bunny argued for a self conscious AI that dictates the world
@honestfriend767 4 місяці тому
Exactly she doesn’t value freedom which is why she loves communist China.
@Oybpvey 4 місяці тому
She’s just there to get more people to watch her streams and give her money
@byeebitch 4 місяці тому
An asian uwu girl streamer, a white teenage-wannabe with xs shirt and an apologist with victim complex... I meann, what can you get out of these guys? 💅🏿
@Madeline64 4 місяці тому
Lolll for real, my jaw actually hit the floor.
@PROVOCATEURSK 4 місяці тому
Can it be worse than the capitalists supporting communism during WW2 to overtake half of the world?
@MrLegaroth 3 місяці тому
Where are you based? I really love listening to the discussions! I would definately like to see a debate between medical professionals and nature therapists! Do you have a branch that could do that in eastern Canada?
@DocHoliday562 4 дні тому
What's hilarious is that the capitalist look well kept well-spoken and carry themselves perfectly, and the communist look like deflated kids who have no idea what they're saying. Makes sense ahahahah
@prodigygod1 4 місяці тому
Podcasts are what's in and i don't understand why yall cut these videos down to a fraction of what is recorded. You can make a part 2 and 3 idc as long as we get more discussion. The way yall have it now is more like a taste testing of productive conversations. And if it isn't productive then you need to find better guests by hiring a better person to screen.
@ericrhodes186 4 місяці тому
They have full versions on their patreon.
@prodigygod1 4 місяці тому
@@ericrhodes186 The 4 hour raw video?
@Adrianisdeadinside 4 місяці тому
@@ericrhodes186L
@angiii 4 місяці тому
@@ericrhodes186Don't you need to pay to watch the uncut videos?
@hoopadooppoopnloop1267 4 місяці тому
They want to edit it to show favor to their biases
@borecsalat6101 4 місяці тому
Omg. Comparing capitalism and comunism and using america and china to do it is like comparing water and land animals and using crocodile and frogs to do it😂
@sanah6933 4 місяці тому
Thank you
@angelomaldini3316 4 місяці тому
Meaning? That analogy is hard to grasp. Is it that they both live in water? Is it that one side has an advantage over the other? China is a single party state, with officials wielding far too much power and citizens having barely any rights, but truthfully, is only Communist in name; it’s not Communist at all. It was once under Mao but his successors realized how worthless the actual policies of Communism were. Now it’s basically a dictator-run Han people ethnic state.
@nolongerjuicyboiz4413 4 місяці тому
@@angelomaldini3316 He's saying they're essentially the same thing. China is basically capitalist when it comes to economics.
@drakeisaskinwalker5104 4 місяці тому
@@nolongerjuicyboiz4413 please explain
@nolongerjuicyboiz4413 4 місяці тому
@@drakeisaskinwalker5104 what you mean? China is aggressively capitalistic in a lotta ways. You're gonna have to look it up for yourself - I'm not an economist. I just hear that many aspects of it are capitalist.
@eyedeerman Місяць тому
22:20 dang I wish there was an uncut version. I feel like there’s so many important things being said that get cut
@airebornstyle1149 2 місяці тому
I think that this was all a very interesting conversation even though it was a lot of arguing rather than debating but was it Hannah that got so excited that their heart was beating into the mic
@TheMrTEA-dc2eb 3 дні тому
There was nothing interesting here for the educated. I read a short story about animals on a farm overthrowing their evil capitalist farmers a child, and I understood immediately why communism doesn't work. The foolishness of ignorance and want. The squeals of the Leftists bring the Pigs in.
@Jerzibredon 4 місяці тому
They never fail to find the worst possible representatives for whatever argument they’re having. There might be like only two exceptions all time lol
@marbaskane4118 3 місяці тому
LITERALLY
@xtcy5922 3 місяці тому
I sometimes think jubilee picks these radical people for bait
@YouTubeMilestonesOfficial 2 місяці тому
@@xtcy5922fr, I swear there’s always the worst people chosen
@alebe7224 2 місяці тому
What’s wrong with the capitalists? 😅 On the other hand, those loonies represent communists pretty well. Greetings from Eastern Germany (so to all you American lefties, let me tell you, be careful with what you are wishing for)
@mbrown7325 2 місяці тому
I think part of it is people apply to be on, and it’s possible the only people willing to apply are the more radical or extreme people.
@yujin2202 4 місяці тому
As someone who's been watching this channel for a while: does Jubilee read their comments? I see so many comments about wanting more qualified people, more moderation, or real statistics, but every video seems the same. I wish the debates had more concrete structure:/ Would be so great to see more videos like the flat earther one where actual academics come on the show to talk, or at least have more fact checks on the screen when someone talks about a stat/fact
@destinywilkerson5391 4 місяці тому
i feel like they purposely do this because it cause more room for heated debates. it also creates room for people do get more heated when watching.
@Okmanl 4 місяці тому
I don’t think intelligent, qualified people would waste their time on Jubilee.
@theyollies9462 4 місяці тому
TRUE. This comment alone helped me skip out on this video 😂
@AcesAlliance 4 місяці тому
Mmm I don’t know. How many people making these comments actually watch debates. Middle ground is not a debate. It’s people’s opinions. It’s a different thing. If you want to see a debate you can find many online
@kost4060 4 місяці тому
I dont think there’s qualified intelligent people who are communist though.
@proudtuber2114 7 днів тому
At the end of the day the true question is do you trust the government? One economic model gives incredible power to the government well the other doesn’t
@rugvedkawatkar2785 2 дні тому
You elect the government, you decide who the government is. If you don't trust them thats your problem
@PeterSkye Місяць тому
The inteligence gap between these two camps is quite significant :-D
@Naikomi95 29 днів тому
Both are complete morons...
@thehollowknerd3858 25 днів тому
Who do you believe is morevintelligent
@PeterSkye 25 днів тому
@thehollowknerd3858 well, if someone considers Cuba or China as superior compared to western democracies, when it comes to living standarts and human rights... you just got the answer.
@thehollowknerd3858 25 днів тому
@@PeterSkye I thought you were going to say the communists were smarter and I was concerned
@user-rg7zn7ji2m 25 днів тому
@@PeterSkyeyeah and bunny talking about people loving China when they visit when they only see where 10% of the population lives instead of the dirt poor villages where the other 90% live😭
@autumngeorge3255 4 місяці тому
what was with that dude shutting down other people from talking by using their names? It felt weird and kind of rude. Also saying to everyone"You look like the nicest person in the world, so just let me speak" He's trying to trick them into sounding caring, but he just is actually being selfish by not letting others talk and respond
@crow_7717 3 місяці тому
I know I hated that guy
@user-hd8ej8yx9p 3 місяці тому
b.l.ack syndrome
@OceanDrivez 3 місяці тому
actual gaslighting lol
@audriwilliams7943 3 місяці тому
Yeah I noticed that too, very weird…and disingenuous
@thomasparkedinvilliers.1314 3 місяці тому
Yes he’s annoying af
@s_don57683 4 місяці тому
While I generally enjoyed this debate. One thing that frustrated me like crazy was Molombo acting like a de-facto moderator in this debate where he was picking and choosing what people should answer so that he could control the narrative. It prevented the debate from being as free-flowing as it should be.
@emouraaaa 4 місяці тому
It’s interesting you mention controlling the narrative.. I wonder what capitalists do… There was also most definitely a moderator, they just didn’t have to moderate because the group did that for them.
@emouraaaa 4 місяці тому
You’ll notice in other Jubilee videos the moderator only comes in when no one can be heard or get a word out because everyone is talking at the same time. I think this group did a great job at giving everyone time to speak, especially because Molombo set the tone for that.
@Mimi-kl9st 4 місяці тому
@@emouraaaawhat are you? Molombo’s girlfriend?
@518trey1 4 місяці тому
@@emouraaaawhy does it matter whom controls the tone? It’s a debate not a conversation. Spoken like a true communist. Preach freedom then turn around and take it away. He’s wasn’t a moderator and was the least informed about most if not all subjects. So if it was up to someone to set a tone it shouldn’t have been him. He took away more then he contributed to the debate
@TheNewblade1 4 місяці тому
@@518trey1lol yea he was the most uninformed not the de hard capitalist Hanna that didn't know what "market equilibrium", literally week 4 of econ 101, was.
@samueldavis7820 3 місяці тому
why did you edit the necklace out huh?
@mikeoveli1028 Місяць тому
This is funny. How do you select your participant?
@naomioladipo8216 4 місяці тому
I am so happy molubo explained what’s happening in congo , people are been slaughtered and sent out of their homes and getting their mineral resources stolen. But somehow it’s not been talked about and it’s literally under a capitalist economical system
@MySwagg93 4 місяці тому
Stop blaming a whole economic system when it’s really bad leadership
@naomioladipo8216 4 місяці тому
@@MySwagg93 true but I’m only stating the dangers of extreme capitalism , people in power abuse it , we both know there isn’t a perfect economic system but i agree with you it is just bad government, well said
@MySwagg93 4 місяці тому
@@naomioladipo8216 definitely understand where you’re coming from, and extremes can happen in any economic system. We have plenty of examples of extreme communism/socialism as well. We as society just have to start making better choices for leaders!
@Dastardly1 4 місяці тому
@@MySwagg93You would never make the same excuse for socialism. Stop coping, imperialism is intrinsic to capitalism, it doesn't matter who's in charge because it's necessary to be capitalist.
@MySwagg93 4 місяці тому
@@Dastardly1 I can tell you don’t understand the definition of pure capitalism
@ohk136 4 місяці тому
I have loved middle ground for years now, and this has been one of the most unsuccessful videos in the series yet. I am 36:00 minutes in and there has been zero moderation, zero compromise, and they cut to the next prompt before anyone has made and clarified their point. Don’t you WANT us to see people coming together; having respectful and thoughtful conversations; so we can learn more about people from both sides and understand where they’re coming from? It will be a really sad day when jubilee succumbs to the pressure of creating clickbait instead of creating content that can truly change the world for the better…
@Jay-ch8vz 4 місяці тому
Can’t compromise with a capitalist
@phanders6236 4 місяці тому
they did agree on a few things though. corporate welfare for the mega rich is an issue (although I doubt the capitalist woman agrees to it being a problem even if she says it here).
@JulianH-co7qg 4 місяці тому
Communism is one of those things that get flushed down the toilet
@jlopez4889 4 місяці тому
@@phanders6236 Why do you people do that? It's like you are so afraid to agree with what a capitalist says so you have to makeup their beliefs in order to disagree on the very thing you agree on. Even when the capitalists say that they don't really like the fbi, Molombo comes in and says "Yeah you do actually like the fbi, it is capitlist fbi so you must like it" instead of simply agreeing that it is a problem
@ariantargaryen4266 4 місяці тому
I’m pretty sure they keep the full videos behind a paywall.
@BlueDirt_ProAggressive 2 місяці тому
Happy to see commoners and the more off the cuff food fight but an organization like jubilee can and should have a higher tier with bigger names and actual fact checking
@troyschaaf8055 Місяць тому
All you need to do is look at North Korea and South Korea to see which system works best lol
@KunalNatu 4 місяці тому
The fact that Molombo would make a wild statement like “slavery is capitalism” and then not let Hannah respond because he wanted to move on because the topic is “too spicy” is hilarious…..
@Mr._Sleepytime_T 4 місяці тому
He did that several times, trying to deflect when he knew he/they were getting backed into a corner lol
@chroma._.5986 4 місяці тому
@@hehe8012thank you for having brain cells, these capitalists are like sheep to a slaughter house 😂😂
@Pichuuh 4 місяці тому
@@hehe8012 So why the countries with the best working conditions like Denmark and Ireland are all capitalists?
@Molombo 4 місяці тому
I was trying to keep the conversation lighthearted by saying the topic was too spicy, but in actual fact I simply refused to discuss slavery w/ white capitalists
@gabrielm.846 4 місяці тому
@@Pichuuhthey exploit third world countries
@LosloTypical 4 місяці тому
Jubilee somehow does the impossible by bringing all the worst people you ever met into one room.
@jamient 4 місяці тому
And they do it nearly every single episode of middle ground too.
@TeenageDirtbag8 4 місяці тому
Exactly
@TeenageDirtbag8 4 місяці тому
@@jamientyep
@legendary3952 4 місяці тому
That really isn’t a hard thing to do People are the worst in general Just give them a platform and they’ll expose themselves.
@the11382 4 місяці тому
And asking the worst questions.
@simpieton5845 3 місяці тому
Why does Molombo keep interrupting Eddie and asking m'lady Bunny if she wants to speak? She's shown no indication that she wants to speak.
@KimoGotIt 3 місяці тому
They hid the most impactful part of the argument behind a paywall LOL . I understand UKposts tos, but sheesh. Yall funny jubilee. Real funny
@t00sa 4 місяці тому
I like middle ground so much but we need moderation and let all the participants know the rules of debating. Let everyone make their argument and no talking over each other, no matter how "passionate" you are or how much you disagree with the other side.
@gregorysteimel5165 4 місяці тому
Have you seen modern college and high school debate clubs? They completely ignore the subject and instead accuse each other of having too much privilege.
@prestigini3150 4 місяці тому
@@gregorysteimel5165 are you in college ?
@shortourt14 4 місяці тому
the series was never supposed to be about debate that's the saddest part about it
@nbell0089 4 місяці тому
It wouldn’t really sell, they want drama and average thinking people
@ethanfutch4974 4 місяці тому
that's actually why I love these debates they feel human I think when someone is passionate about something they cant always be patient I see your point but sometimes I find it annoying and sometimes I love it
@EricK-bw2mj День тому
Any argument that says communism can provide more economic growth than capitalism already lost the argument. If I were pro-communism, my best argument would be the Easterlin Paradox which basically finds that within a particular society, rich people are happier than poor people but across societies, poor countries tend to be more happier than rich countries. It suggests that when basic necessities are fully met within a society, further materialistic (production) growth has diminishing returns in terms of happiness and well-being. It's quite interesting and is the only thing that I can think of that would validate socialism
@satoriasimov9169 5 днів тому
Watching this and using ChatGPT simultaneously is so helpful
@BawzDaMil 4 місяці тому
She did not just say “if we could pull it off like Psycho Pass, that would be great.” Isn’t the whole point of the show that it’s a sci-if dystopia that’s gone too far?
@josuesaucedo5627 4 місяці тому
That segment is a hypothetical,as she stated. and came as a leviate from the proir heated discussion they had. So it wasn't meant to be taken serious.
@justinthenoob 4 місяці тому
It is insane how two people can watch the same show and get completely opposite interpretations. Psycho pass is probably my favorite anime because of its profound anti authoritarian message.
@Evensy2 4 місяці тому
lmao I though the same thing. I thought she was going somewhere with it, but when she say pull it off I'm like pause.
@TheNewblade1 4 місяці тому
@@justinthenoobnah it's just lack of media literacy. Homeboy can't understand Thor love and thunder was not pro alien just cause it took place on alien worlds.
@Joannaheadz 4 місяці тому
When she was trying to make this AI point it instantly brought me to the ending of Moonfall, obviously many other examples too tho
@jenniboo9441 3 місяці тому
The dude with the head scarf was honestly so unbelievably annoying. He really ruined this conversation by acting like the main character and having such a crappy way of interacting with people. At one point he grabbed the guy next to him and aggressively put his arm around him so he could cut him off and interrupt him. Thats fine to do with your friends. Its not fine to do to a complete stranger you're having a political conversation with
@user-bz5uv5nf2r 3 місяці тому
Really the capitlist woman sucked for me
@christophervalle893 3 місяці тому
@@user-bz5uv5nf2rshe crushed
@Wenisssss 2 місяці тому
He’s lived in the world that whoever talks the loudest is the most important.
@LMT95 Місяць тому
@@Wenisssssexactly this.
@sowhat... 23 дні тому
@@Wenisssss what world are you referring to?
@nickalverson2433 Місяць тому
super interesting that the one continually asking to finish their point is constantly interrupting when others are...
@gavindies7271 2 місяці тому
I feel like a lot of the issues that was brought up, especially with people leaving Cuba and North Korea, are much more problems of authoritarianism and totalitarianism rather than a problem of socialism. You can be Capatalist or Communist and more socially liberal, its just that the biggest examples of communism have been stalinist which is totalitarian in itself.
@lochnessmunster1189 8 днів тому
True, but Socialism has a tendency to lead to authoritarianism. The two are connected.
@Marc-gj9vx 4 місяці тому
I thought this would be a capitalism vs socialism debate, but it was more a USA vs China debate, and neither represent communism or capitalism well. Would be great to keep people on track.
@J_Kiko_L 4 місяці тому
Do you recommend any books to get a better understanding of capitalis? As a Gen z American I only have anecdotal evidence and news articles.
@phattorangecatto 4 місяці тому
@@J_Kiko_LI am also Gen Z and used to be communist but now I am a capitalist after maturing a bit. I basically actually did research on what capitalism is and not what other people told me what capitalism is. Capitalism isn’t when you invade people and destroy countries like I grew up to believe, because the communists did that too, but every time that is mention they deflect and say well that invasion was justified
@pavelm.gonzalez8608 4 місяці тому
More like a *liberal democracy* (that tends to be bipartisan and to a continuous pollarization between the "Leftists" and the "Rightists") against *one party dictatorship* (with mixed economy and continuous economic growth).
@rwrproductions9109 4 місяці тому
@@phattorangecattookay but what is it ?
@pedrobraz2809 4 місяці тому
@@J_Kiko_LHow to think about the economy and human action are great books
@lukehenson8654 3 місяці тому
I don’t want to argue I don’t want to argue. Talks over everyone, argues and then when he knows he’s wrong wants to dismiss and not argue.
@toneloke454 Місяць тому
yep, sounds like a communist
@azhurelpigeon 17 днів тому
Everyone interrupts in the heat of a debate with no moderation, boohoo
@imasealarparparparp2714 4 дні тому
@@azhurelpigeonand every baby pisses their pants so what’s your point
@bobdylan5127 3 дні тому
@@azhurelpigeon he's still being annoying af
@fer7k 2 дні тому
sociaalist side was done dirty, how do you NOT know what HDI is, this is the most basic statistic for politics, it hurts to watch.
@bananamilk1710 2 дні тому
The embargo isn't affecting us in Cuba? They are ignorant. For these types of topics, Jubilee needs to bring in people who are ACTUALLY educated on these subjects.
@aidanmcmillan3654 4 місяці тому
I wish they had brought in communists who actually knew what capitalism and communism were, Molombo's definition for capitalism was just ridiculous and Bunny was making random points that barely connected to the prompts . Eddie was the only one who actually had a clue what he was talking about.
@junioralvarado629 4 місяці тому
the way i see communist streamers I tend to believe most are like that, but I could be wrong.
@luisperez3763 4 місяці тому
@@junioralvarado629Communists don't know what their ideology is about, they just repeat X things from books to act like rebels. Imagine, they are going to know what capitalism is. Although in their defense I will say that there are capitalists who don't know it either.
@TheNewblade1 4 місяці тому
His definition was fine and far more accurate than hannas misattribution of capitalism as "any form of commerce".
@sophiacalon3463 4 місяці тому
It’s because no one who fully understands it are for it😅
@Andrearuch97 4 місяці тому
@@sophiacalon3463your IQ is 0 , capitalists in the video kept saying is not real capitalism crap
@Sabrinaaa.426 4 місяці тому
As a Cuban person who grew up in Cuba and whose immediate family is still on the island. I hate hearing American communists speak on Cuba. I wish Cubans had the freedom to even talk and critique their government like these people can. They don’t even realize how entitled they are.
@lustruhs3170 4 місяці тому
Period
@yeattwizzyrichbitcointikok1120 4 місяці тому
As if communist groups like the black panthers haven’t been literally murdered and imprisoned by the American government. Even MLK who was a socialist was blackmailed and threatened by the FBI
@lichald 4 місяці тому
Porque no hablas del bloqueo y embargo de Estados Unidos sobre Cuba? puedes resaltar eso tambien?
@smoke2730 4 місяці тому
Gusano?
@jimmyfreshprince1934 4 місяці тому
@@lichaldpara Que? Solo lo va a negar
@alfredonoriego6390 4 дні тому
"im black in America" well, you look pretty well though
@irishbeerdrinker6861 2 дні тому
Love reading this comments from people who obviously know what they’re talking about and completely listened through the entire video and read the comments they put at the bottom.
@Justindedwards215 4 місяці тому
She seriously don't know the difference between an economic system and a governing system. She is saying north Korea can't be communist because it's a dictatorship and said it with a straight face. This is the problem with the USA no one is educated on civics and history and basic economics anymore but everyone thinks they are experts cause they read an article once or there favorite influencer said so...this is a perfect example of why the USA is falling apart and behind.
@sophiadonnell5957 4 місяці тому
People don’t realise that a dictatorship is an extreme version of a system that makes it impossible for the country to change its ways. There are capitalist dictatorships too, which is where an entire country is extremely into capitalism. The capitalist extremism works with democracy, so the rights of people aren’t being infringed like the communist extremist countries. Honestly they need to do a middle ground where communists living under capitalism debate defectors of communist countries on the communist system. For the communists under capitalism side they should get an… -American -British -Australian -Israeli -South Korean -person from Botswana -New Zealander For the defectors of communist countries they should get a… -Chinese -Russian -Cuban -Arab -North Korean -person from Laos -Vietnamese
@BittersweetDuality 4 місяці тому
A communist society is definitionally stateless, so dictatorship actually is in fact antithetical to communism
@luisperez3763 4 місяці тому
@@sophiadonnell5957The problem is that communism needs a dictatorship to be established. On the other hand, not capitalism, tell me one of those capitalist countries that are dictatorships?
@luisperez3763 4 місяці тому
To be pragmatic, communism must be a dictatorship.
@michelelindor 4 місяці тому
She’s also not from the USA. She’s literally from China. Works in China. And lives in China still.
@mesg4 4 місяці тому
Molombo was BEYOND patronizing to the women. Especially with Hannah, he tried refuting her point by saying that she looks younger than everyone in the discussion, then tried to say she couldn't handle topics, etc. "I'm like the nicest person in the world" says every toxic person EVER.
@jinakaye 4 місяці тому
He stated that Hannah seems like the nicest person in the world.
@emouraaaa 4 місяці тому
??? At no point in the video did he say she looked younger. He also didn’t say “IM the nicest”, he said “Hannah, YOU LOOK LIKE the nicest”.
@empressofawesome7099 4 місяці тому
Yeah, while I found him & everyone interesting & all! I didn't like how he said she looked like the youngest, it was a bit patronizing!
@wildbynature6779 4 місяці тому
His white-knighting was gross and patronizing
@Steppin-- 4 місяці тому
@@emouraaaait was a passive aggressive remark to pre empt him whining to be fair
@reymarzongalletesbautista6941 5 днів тому
@ 18:26-19:08 How about the small private companies that need the assistance of the government (which I think is a kind of government intervention) to be able to compete against the big private companies who are now monopolizing some in demand industries? Are we now to say that the government should not intervene when there is inequality of opportunity with regards to small private companies competing against big private companies?
@BlueDirt_ProAggressive 2 місяці тому
Think of social programs had a stair step in drop off, it would help fill in the gaps as ppl start to earn more, that they will get less. Nobody wants to just live a minimum..
@bfrashine 4 місяці тому
I appreciate the fact that Cam brought a notepad in with him. I’d do the same! It’s always great to have relevant information at your fingertips, especially during a debate.
@nashi._.7563 4 місяці тому
I think it was also to help keep his train of thought in the conversation but I get what you’re saying. I’d do the same regardless😅😂
@CamHigby 4 місяці тому
@@nashi._.7563keeping track of what people said, the order they said it in, and who said it!
@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici 4 місяці тому
Istj nerds
@RedArrow808 4 місяці тому
Can’t keep all the lies in order without it
@alicemichaelis9468 4 місяці тому
I literally hollered when he brought that out 😂. I never seen a guest do that before. You go cam!
@Ibibiogal 4 місяці тому
Honestly they need to cast people that are capable of having a conversation, not just people that passionate talk at each other. Can’t sit through this ep. The best one of these I’ve watched was the alpha vs beta males because both sides listened to each other and there was a sense of understanding and respect from both sides throughout, even when they disagreed. Basically they managed to have a successful conversation.
@56BBS 4 місяці тому
Not everything deserves a debate. No one should debate whether blacks should have rights it should just be universally accepted. Listening to the other side is a weak centrist point of view. Grow a pair pick a side
@tintintubes 4 місяці тому
I agree. It's because they're all men
@trissyrobertson 4 місяці тому
@@56BBSyou chose a fairly obvious point. what about when it’s more complex? people like you who randomly pick sides without knowing what you’re getting into is what is wrong🤣
@vervideosgiros1156 4 місяці тому
@@56BBSI agree with you that it shouldn't be needed to make a debate about black people's rights because it should be universally accepted, but unfortunately it isn't accepted by the Karens and Kevins of the USA, so unfortunately it is needed!
@RedArrow808 4 місяці тому
‘Capitalists’ just talked over them and every time the other side tried to elaborate a point they would cut them off and change topics. Very disingenuous.
@peter_lv706 4 дні тому
This was mentality exhausting! Listening to the absurd things communists had to say!
@reymarzongalletesbautista6941 5 днів тому
@ 19:55 There will be no abusive relationship if there is no greed, the love to own more than what you have which is the opposite of freedom (the love for one's own town that one may have which may or may not satisfy nor fulfill all of one's greed).
@FreewaveFreeway 4 місяці тому
I love how Molumbo was so rude the entire time and actively made fun of people’s points to their faces and talks down to them, but whenever he gets a question or answer he doesn’t like, he literally looks down in shame to avoid eye contact- like a bratty child
@florianehouenagnon4739 4 місяці тому
💯 agree
@blueskies3336 4 місяці тому
I felt the exact same way. He loves to hear himself and he isn't anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is. Pretty much my take away from the fella.
@Albany-zu4nh 3 місяці тому
do you think this because he’s black
@RichardTavilla 3 місяці тому
He’s namoron
@arneshsengupta4636 3 місяці тому
the capitalists were literally smirking and laughing CONSTANTLY, esp the middle guy in the glasses, this is some hard-core cope
@Mr._Sleepytime_T 4 місяці тому
The number of times Molombo dodged or deflected the topic/issue 😂 I can't believe he didn't get called out on that sooner. It took almost the entire episode before someone addressed it (Hannah, with the capitalism & slavery thing).
@manniefresh3425 4 місяці тому
Molombo is the personification of the righteous, pretentious, virtual signaling narcissist if there ever was one. None of these American hating people would last a single month in the countries their grandparents came from.
@EroUsagiSama 4 місяці тому
Hannah just acting like the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade never existed was really infuriating
@Random-sk6hm 4 місяці тому
I agree, although the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade was ignored by her.
@Sujowujo 4 місяці тому
And he’s so patronizing too. “You look like the nicest guy in the room please let me finish”. Like ew
@jayloncollins9681 4 місяці тому
Capitalism is the son of slavery. It’s a very similar exploitative system which exploits the lower class and is in complete control. How do you quantify the value of someone’s work or ability to work? The same system exploited minorities for years after slavery was abolished thru contracts with former slaves. You still have modern day slavery through capitalism via private prisons. Honestly brother molombo probably knew all that. He probably didn’t wanna go there on the slavery topic seeing as he’s the only brother there.
@sebastianibanez9145 2 дні тому
So go live there, debate finished.
@sarahxsays 4 дні тому
Yea sorry I don’t want state-mandatory labor where “we’re all equal!”… equally working along the assembly line with no aspirations, no dreams, just living the same life as every one else. Who would want this? No one who’s ever lived through any of these policies is our here cheering for it.
@Ari.Atland 4 місяці тому
The fact they all agreed they don't like government at the end did make me chuckle. It would seem no matter where you look, humans dislike large authority.
@borecsalat6101 4 місяці тому
Communism is all about large authority. If they agreed on that i dont think they are communist.
@jpbm1873 4 місяці тому
@@borecsalat6101 Communism is a dictatorship. It's a political ideology that gives total power and control to governement under the guise that the people own everything. It's a guise because you can't own something that you don't control.
@ordinaryperson-my7qr 4 місяці тому
not at all Everyone dislikes the people with power, until they are in position of power easy
@levadamusic 4 місяці тому
@@borecsalat6101 no comunism is the abolished state, that's no comunism state
@aaaccc7173 4 місяці тому
@@borecsalat6101Capitalism is the one actually about large authority. Authority is still authority even if it’s a private corp doing all the police state and enslaving instead of a government lol
@sann3857 4 місяці тому
I thought it was crazy she was trying to define terms so they could all agree on the terms that were being debated, and Molombo just squashed that part of the conversation and talked over her.
@hela8202 4 місяці тому
i hated the way he wouldn't let her speak, he literally talked more than anyone in this video
@wintermint7 4 місяці тому
That's because Hannah's "definition of terms" were obviously incorrect for anyone with even a modicum of understanding of political theory. Not to mention the fact that she regularly backtracked / contradicted her own statements constantly.
@uslph. 4 місяці тому
She was falsely defining socialism by using a dictionary definition instead of the actual meaning of the word.
@takeitorleaveit7927 4 місяці тому
@@uslph.the dictionary lol
@takeitorleaveit7927 4 місяці тому
@@wintermint7I don’t believe you’ve done you due diligence to understand actual capitalism
@RagingSorrowDR 3 місяці тому
I actually resonate, and I think a lot of Chinese will resonate with what Toxicbunny said there: maybe it's not the best choice, but it's the best they can do given the circumstance
@Bushviper 5 днів тому
Working on building that social credit score there are we?
@AstroApe69 2 місяці тому
Well only one person here drives around in the Hollywood hills just to return to his library/garage.
@nightshot1017 4 місяці тому
Aint no way they think china is investing in Africa because they want to help them
@GuranPurin 4 місяці тому
This is the problem with American communists. Everything is an unrealistic utopia dream. China's goals in Africa are the same as the U.S.
@kanamenoname210 4 місяці тому
Nope absolutely not, Africa is great real estate, amazing labor prices and also mines full of jewels and raw materials
@nightshot1017 4 місяці тому
@kanamenoname210 many mines for China to set up slaves and child workers
@firalioue4040 4 місяці тому
I mean it's OK to be skeptical of major countries in Africa because of the major power imbalance between African countries and china.,but you have to agree that the Chinese have not couped/assassinated any leaders and replaced them with a puppet leader to let them do what ever they want.they propose a deal,they African country says no,they say OK and leave.
@EatHere 4 місяці тому
I didn’t feel like that’s what he was saying though. I think he was saying Americans take what they want and the Chinese negotiate what they want. Pretty sure both are taking advantage of Africa though.
@theemicrowave0781 4 місяці тому
As a professional debater this made me appreciate structured speeches this made me scream in frustration with the talking over everyone
@QuoteZzZzZ 4 місяці тому
Same lol there’s so much wrong with some arguments too smh
@constantinaandreou3787 4 місяці тому
Exactly
@veltriv914 4 дні тому
The reason people are living paycheck to paycheck is because of excess government -- and their answer is all government -- instead of reading up lenin and mao, just take a look at the final result and what the lives of the people living under them were like
@janzenalleman2952 2 місяці тому
Nobody gonna comment how tai Lopez j chillin in a jubilee ep💀😅
@lucascarroll4859 26 днів тому
Honestly it makes me kinda mad that they gave a scammer like him a platform
@isabellerizo3208 4 місяці тому
As a communist refugee I would have loved to be a part of the debate. It’s a complex issue and I find most of the west doesn’t know much of what actually occurred in the ussr
@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici 4 місяці тому
What have you read, refugee? What do you know?
@your_-_mom 4 місяці тому
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicihe knows what happens in practice rather than in theory
@so940 4 місяці тому
hm yea communists vs communist refugees would also be interesting
@user-du5oe1vi3v 4 місяці тому
EXACTLY
@AnhNguyen-fp6sr 4 місяці тому
@@so940yes I suggested this in a comment to Jubilee videos long ago
@immersion9880 4 місяці тому
Eddie seemed to carry his side of the debate. Would’ve loved to see more engagement between him and the other side because that seemed to be the only informative parts of the video.
@ComradeAbel 4 місяці тому
The midwestern Marx channel is gonna have a formal debate between Eddie and Hannah I think, that’d be cool
@adventuringwithpreston1575 Місяць тому
I would love to be contacted for one of these videos. I've watched several of these videos by now, and I would love to give some input from a very rural point of view, and an environmental point of view. Particularly the hypocrisy by environmentalists.
@antonioortiz5539 2 місяці тому
What did bunny add to this?
@dylanrickard738 2 місяці тому
Shes cute 😍
@lindyree5468 4 місяці тому
I wish they would do multiples of these conversations. There are so many important points that I am wishing and hoping someone will say and they just don’t get brought up. It’s very frustrating
@MrSuperaptor 4 місяці тому
I like how Molombo like to butter you up before silencing you the moment he hears something he doesn’t want to hear. And uses all of his “disadvantages” to his advantage to be able to talk as much as he wants lol
@FREAKSHOW-su4tu 4 місяці тому
Cam just interrupts you and Hannah as well
@racheljade1553 4 місяці тому
Omggggg I am saying !!!! I was listening to him and I was like oh lord here we go smh
@rodrozil6544 4 місяці тому
He just didn't want to explain that several African countries have low economies and HDI. Despite being capitalist and democracies.
@gonzalomcampos 4 місяці тому
@@rodrozil6544there’s not a single African country with democracy. Maybe in the north
@rodrozil6544 4 місяці тому
@@gonzalomcampos recheck from various sources. Use the internet.
@officialcalvinwayman 3 місяці тому
I’m guessing it was this episode that made it so there was a moderator on the Mormons vs ex-Mormon episode
@fillup901 4 дні тому
oh wow, the black guy crying about being restrained by the system due to his pigmentation is so rare....................
@JayEs31 4 місяці тому
Molumbo is so manipulative with his comments
@TRMTE160 4 місяці тому
Why was Bunny allowed on here, she clearly does not know anything. Its like a child sitting at the adults table
@zzz-nu2re 3 місяці тому
And molumbo
@marbaskane4118 3 місяці тому
Dude why was EDDIE on here?? We got the worst nfl draft pick in history with this one
@aarondiaz_14 3 місяці тому
Why was Tai Lopez there?
@FranzFerdinand55 3 місяці тому
because she lived in both China and the US.
@beddythecorgi4269 3 місяці тому
Bunny is the exception to China. So she came to the US easily as a child and can go back and forth no problem. So basically she just admitted that she comes from the rich class that rules over the people in China who can't come and go easily who's $2 a day wage makes it impossible for them to even afford a singe plane ticket. Communism has females equal in out of home work but not at home. Even in "ideal" communism sex relations where women like Angela Merkel get advanced degrees and rise to leadership those cultures still expected the women to do that AND all the cooking, cleaning etc unless they can afford to pay other women to do all those "female " chores.
@sgh94644 2 місяці тому
iPhone vuvuzeula is that tai lopez guy's talking points lol
@AFHS123 2 дні тому
the two women who are not allowed to talk and are cut off in this discussion are clearly the most well spoken and actually listen to arguments
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