The religious parallel is an apt one. It's interesting that as comic fans we obsess over the "canon"; a word with its roots in theology. People cultivate a very specific personal version of these characters like their deities or their country. And they get very very angry when people "blaspheme" against it

People here is Snyder cultist No DC comics guy have ever said this

@@abps9947 shut up don't think you special here since you call called me a Snyder cultist I am a huge DC and marvel fan not an MCU and and a gunn... Number one not a Gunn fan cause he said the dark Knight is awful and number 2 not a MCU fan cause the characters aren't serious cause eg hulk that's why I like the film logan number 3 clearly yiu have watched this video and I was sure you looked for me to call me a "Snyder cultist" just to feel special cause hatman has killed people since 89 and y'all don't complain about it.....which means y'all ain't taking this "batman doesn't kill people" seriously cause if you did you wound have not stated with ben Affleck in fact y'all would have started with the first comic if you took "batman doesn't kill" seriously

​@@abps9947You are completely wrong. There are tons of people who complains about him not killing, especially batman fan/haters.

People have criticized Burton for making Batman kill.

@@vineetdesai6396 yeah I know but that’s not the point I’m trying to make I’m calling out those people who say “Batman never killed someone”

@@donavinrodriguez6288 A Batman not killing is more cooler than a Batman killing. A Batman killing is just another dark edgy hero.

@@vineetdesai6396 I strongly agree

​@@vineetdesai6396Lol ....Who will be responsible for more deaths then???? Barman ?

Like Iron Man thor hulk Captain america

they are completely different.what u dont realise is batman is a vigilante.tthats crime enough now imagine if he includes murder????

@@wambokodavid7109 nothing wrong with that.

@@silverstrike5904 then u sir are just an edge lord too like Snyder.otherwise what's the difference and interesting dynamic between him and the joker???

@@wambokodavid7109 he doesn't kill innocent people

His characters have no personality

@@kayenat10 I'm on the autistic spectrum so i'm supposed to be socially impaired and struggle to read peoples feelings and i understood his work. So either your talking out of your ass or you have serious issues

Who are the "so many" people?

@@cooperjazz77 The fans who crashed the servers of HBO Max when ZSJL premiered. The ones who bought the DVDs and Blu-Rays when they went on sale in record numbers. And let's not forget the ones who got The Snyder Cut made in the first place!

He wanted Injustice Superman and Frank Miller's Dark Knight.

Same here

Mines too. I like how Batfleck fits the height and physique of how Batman is drawn in the comics.

​​@puichiung2959 It Depends Which Versions, Bcuz His Version & His Big TDK Suits A Old BAT.

By this videos admission, that’s not Batman. So you don’t like Batman.

Me too

It wasn’t “the truth” it just exemplified that he never understood these characters to begin with. Batman killing is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.

Imagine if Punisher didn't kill and was light hearted Or if Blade didn't hunt vampires and was lighthearted.

stfu.. batman been killing since the golden age comics..get a life​@@firstlast9846

@@firstlast9846of course he understands the characters. It’s a deliberate departure. Everybody knows this. Come on.

@@firstlast9846and yet his Batman was still 10x more badass and cooler then Bales and Pattinsons, don’t deny it either

Arkham Asylum a Serious House has a scene where Batman outright uses an axe, and that's a critically acclaimed story. People are just hypocritical. I mean, what are they, stupid? ( *Que MAN meme* )

Another fun fact is that those people aren't taking "batman doesn't kill" seriously cause if they did they would have started with those comics you were talking about

not really. in more than 80 yrs of his existence, Batman's killings were always exceptions. Also, many of those come from alternative versions, elseworlds. The "mainstream" Batman, let's call him that way, is the one with the moral code. And yes, he's been challenged many times, despite what Snyder thinks. But still, it's an important feature of the character, and has been for decades.

but not his garbage dc movies

@@Fantasticjabber people are talking about them 24/7, even fans are tired but haters? No no they have an orgasm

@@Darkseidsolosfiction Which people talk about these disgusting snyder movies ??. You mean bots

​@@Darkseidsolosfictionfr

@@Fantasticjabber you do right now

Same

Me too, and I will continue to miss it until it returns

@@ClarkKentakaSuperman89874 wrong

lol . His dc was disgusting

@@ClarkKentakaSuperman89874 wrong

​@@ClarkKentakaSuperman89874 And The Truth 31. Thank You.

it's because people don't know its full version also exists and they perceive wrong information from critics.

Yes, he would.

One of many reasons his dceu failed

NAH..LOL..BvS Said Otherwise. Bcuz BvS Is Havy Adapted From TDKR Comics/Animation Is A BATMAN Comic/Movie.

Seems fair to me

​@@puichiung2959they owe us

Not because its was the first time batman and superman ever came on screen together?

LOL..zsjl Bats Using Small GUN & Bigger GUN Again & Future Nightmare Scene Become Killer/Murder & Use Guns..AGING, So Still DumbAss, Stupid No Development At All.🥴👎🤦‍♀.

And that’s where the problem comes from. The fact that Batman killed people from time to time in BVS and has absolutely no remorse or any consequences, which destroys his fundamentals and core values of the character. Plus, his whole thing with Superman and the one thing that’s stopping from killing him is because of his dead mom’s share the same name. What a complete joke. 🤣

@@luisquintero7359 Are we talking about the same film? Batman’s conscious & his heart becoming darken was the consequence. Hence when Alfred said to him “fear & range, the feeling of powerlessness.. it’s what turns good Men cruel” while he looked directly at him. The Martha line is a Post Traumatic trigger for Bruce because all he ever wanted to do was save his Mom “Martha” from being murdered in cold blood right in front of him as a 10y old boy. In Bruce eyes “The Superman” is a death symbol, wherever “The Superman” goes innocent humans die. (Battle in Metropolis, battle in Smallville, & at the United States Capitol. Etc) So in Bruce’s eyes “The Superman” is a Demon who fell from the Stars, hence the line (“You were never a God, you were never even a Man”) & he believes he’s doing “Justice” by killing this Demon with a Spear. Right before he Ends him, he yells out “Find him Save Martha” triggering Bruce’s Post Traumatic Stress syndrome.. hence Bruce’s response to him saying that. Again idk if we’re talking about the same film but definitely not a “joke.” Also thanks for your response.

@@luisquintero7359 Are we talking about the same film? Batman’s conscious & his heart becoming darken was the consequence. Hence when Alfred said to him “fear & range, the feeling of powerlessness.. it’s what turns good Men cruel” while he looked directly at him. The Martha line is a Post Traumatic trigger for Bruce because all he ever wanted to do was save his Mom “Martha” from being murdered in cold blood right in front of him as a 10y old boy. In Bruce eyes “The Superman” is a death symbol, wherever “The Superman” goes innocent humans die. (Battle in Metropolis, battle in Smallville, & at the United States Capitol. Etc) So in Bruce’s eyes “The Superman” is a Demon who fell from the Stars, hence the line (“You were never a God, you were never even a Man”) & he believes he’s doing “Justice” by killing this Demon with a Spear. Right before he Ends him, he yells out “Find him Save Martha” triggering Bruce’s Post Traumatic Stress syndrome.. hence Bruce’s response to him saying that. Again idk if we’re talking about the same film but definitely not a “joke.” Also thanks for your response.

@@luisquintero7359 Are we talking about the same film? Batman’s conscious & his heart becoming darken was the consequence. Hence when Alfred said to him “fear & range, the feeling of powerlessness.. it’s what turns good Men cruel” while he looked directly at him. The Martha line is a Post Traumatic trigger for Bruce because all he ever wanted to do was save his Mom “Martha” from being murdered in cold blood right in front of him as a 10y old boy. In Bruce eyes “The Superman” is a death symbol, wherever “The Superman” goes innocent humans die. (Battle in Metropolis, battle in Smallville, & at the United States Capitol. Etc) So in Bruce’s eyes “The Superman” is a Demon who fell from the Stars, hence the line (“You were never a God, you were never even a Man”) & he believes he’s doing “Justice” by killing this Demon with a Spear. Right before he Ends him, he yells out “Find him Save Martha” triggering Bruce’s Post Traumatic Stress syndrome.. hence Bruce’s response to him saying that. Again idk if we’re talking about the same film but definitely not a “joke.” Also thanks for your response.

And that’s the problem. Most if not all of the characters like Ben Affleck’s Batman, their development that made them the way they are in the movies was mostly done offscreen or executed poorly or laughable (with the example of the Martha scene). If Zack and WB had just taken his time and give each of the characters their separate movies and see them on screen, then people would resonate more with the DCEU like how the general public resonate well with the MCU. One more thing is that Zack does not understand the core values of Superman. Most of the time, he portrays Superman as a Jesus-type figure in which people look up and worship. But doing that, Zack makes the character less relatable, makes him less sympathetic, and makes the audience care less about Superman.

because it was successful movie

I think WB started the Snyder hate to influence people to give up on Snyder's DC movies because they wanted to do things like Marvel way back in 2016 because they felt entitled BvS should've made a billion. WB has great influence with the industry trades and other media covering WB. Just like in real world matters the media influences thoughts in fandom (and sometimes dishonestly imo), so people who aren't already fans of Snyder will have their opinion set even if they never saw Snyder's movies. Just saying.

Because it’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Pretty simple

@@ari-fariq sure...

​@@ClarkKentakaSuperman89874dceu it's not snyderverse.

@@ClarkKentakaSuperman89874Their comment is about bots and you're talking about the old DCEU...while also being the same one replying to every comment about the Snyderverse or even lightly critical of Gunn.

Oh this is just sad.

​@@firstlast9846you mean people rabidly jumping in to the defend the current chief of DC films? yep, that's sad, sycophantic and pathetic.

facts

Well if other sites are gonna misquote Snyder, might as well say the actual quote 3 times so it sinks in lol

@maybetoby exactly. I have to reinforce what Snyder actually said because it’s clear people hear what they want to hear which caused this outrage in the first place.

The point of this story was to redeem batman. batman has essentially been hunting for ways to kill superman from the time he fought zod. SO much that he sees it as his last responsibility. Through out the film,he isn't fighting crime to fight crime,he never does. Even in the first mission where he saves victims of trafficking,it's really him looking for information on the white Portuguese. The story shows a batman that is reckless. When he is one on one with a criminal,he doesn't kill them,but when he's going about his business,he has complete disregard for them,he doesn't value their lives,he see them as "weeds". What i also like is that the story never really shows this "bad" batman being successful while doing things recklessly,most times,it is Bruce Wayne who is successful with retrieving info on the white Portuguese from the Russian, Saving Wallace & the girl in metropolis, Hacking lex's servers . The psycho Batman on the other hand fails to get info on the white portuguese, fails to steal the kryptonite (until he uses a cautious stealthy method), This movie doesn't want you to root for batman,it wants you to be relieved when he starts to find his way back at the end. This movie actually fulfills canon in a way too, because,batman says he wouldn't be able to stop once he crosses the line. And we don't see him reconsider stopping this recklessness until superman. Superman is the symbol of virtue (hence lex's distaste) & it makes sense that he would be the one to redeem Batman. So i actually agree with Zack, batman has a rule,he falls & breaks this rule,goes down a spiral,but then thanks to superman,he emerges out of this darkness. If everyone (falsely) kept this rule,we would never know what it takes for him to get back to his senses. A lot of people say "if the rule is broken,why is the Joker still alive". 1.it's not like Joker is on a silver platter waiting to be killed. He's one of the most crafty & elusive villains. 2. This story isn't about Batman killing,it's about him being reckless to the point of disregard for human life hence technically killing people. he clearly doesn't kill everyone in his path. He just isn't shy about it. It's ,like I said,a redemption story.

Snyder didn't even get a chance to introduce his batman to us properly enough for people to understand why he was how he was in BvS. Very few people are willing to watch beyond the entertainment into the inspiration of the characters' behaviour

In BvS we can see Batman had lost his faith on his war on crime probably after the death of Robin, even lost more faith after Superman's battle with Zod in Metropolis destroyed one of Bruce Wayne's buildings, and succumbed also to Lex Luthor's gaslighting scheme in which Wallace (the crippled Wayne Enterprises employee) was blown up in Congress in the wheelchair Lex provided. This Batman just plainly didn't care anymore and told Alfred, "We're criminals, Alfred...we always were" and "If there's even a one percent chance, we have to take it as an absolute certainty" regarding how he viewed Superman as a threat to the world. This Batman likely would've continued on his downward spiral if it hadn't been for the often mocked "Martha" comment by Superman as Batman had the Kryptonite spear at his throat, and it shocked Batman into seeing himself as no better than the man who killed his parents, so Batman was awakened from his depression then and inspired later by Superman's self sacrifice against Doomsday. In ZSJL we can see Batman/Bruce having much more optimism and faith in Superman and everything else, so he was getting back to his old less cynical self.

To bad Zack didn’t understand this

@@tedenejp1644 what exactly didn't he understand?

🇩🇪 Das waren Marvel Fans die verhindern wollen das DC erfolgreicher werden.

Because Snyder haters can't get Snyder out of their head. Imo maybe the internet these days make it worse.

I never had a problem with Superman killing Zod. Meanwhile Batman killing random criminals feels like bad writing and misunderstanding of the character.

Batman DOES kill in TDKR. Twice. 1. The “I believe you” scene. The Mutant holding a kid hostage is shot by Batman. It may not be a headshot, but color (or lack of) is crucial. The panel shows the kid in color, but the Mutant is in black and white and there’s what can only be described as blood splattered on the wall behind the Mutant. Batman killed that Mutant, full stop. 2. Joker’s death. Batman snaps Joker’s neck but Joker is somehow talking to him. Note the speech bubbles from Joker’s dialogue - they’re gray. Almost all speech bubbles are white, but the thought bubbles are color-coded to specific characters. Batman’s thought bubbles are gray. If Joker were alive after having his neck snapped by Batman, why are Joker’s speech bubbles color-coded to Batman’s color? Frank Miller is highlighting Batman’s personal denial of his breaking his own rule.

@KeiNakagawa7 - No he doesn’t - that mutant part is left ambiguous.. and would leave the rest of the story null and void - if he killed there. He loses control and paralyses Joker but is again ambiguous as to whether he lost control or tried to subdue him.

Didn't batfleck use guns in the knightmare scenes. The circumstances there weren't really good for baterangs. The whole point was to show that it had reached a point where he had to do whatever it takes to survive inorder to undo the chaotic world that he was in He's human for crying out loud. He's bound to adapt inorder to survive.

Evidently YOU didn't read the comic bc Batman did kill in it and did use a gun. When he broke the rifle and called it the weapon of the enemy this was after returning to form, physically and mentally

@dobi287 - he was never killing people left right and centre - you just looked at the pretty pictures didn’t you? Dont be afraid to say it ☺️

Too bad he mostly never kills Joker or his other main enemies.

​@@cooperjazz77He never experienced Superman like threat from them.. that's why

​@@MovieMatrix_11 Im not talking about the movie alone. Whenever batman killed was it just because of superman?

So, you're saying you don't want Batman to be creative in how he solves problems.

Thanks!

You are so welcome!

Are you sure that nobody criticised those older movies? Also the fact that there might be other reasons why people love those movies? Its not like everyone loved absolutely everything else about Snyder's Batman and only the killing part changed their minds. And didnt Snyder defend it in the past saying it was proxy killing?

@@cooperjazz77 Show me at least one publication with criticism towards those films where Batman kills and it's bad, and then we'll talk. And so far, I'm only sure that Snyder is hated simply because it's hype.

@@kadatan Im talking about the time when those movies came out. But like i said, there were a lot of other things people loved in those movies which might also have made them look past the killing. But im pretty sure you can find general criticims on all of these movies on youtube. Snyder's DC movies have always been very divisive and criticism he gets is valid though i dont defend the hate. Even look at Rebel moon's situation.

I appreciate that!

So nice of you, thank you!

Exactly.

Thanks for watching!

@@OurMovieNewsshould u review Zack synder Joe Rogan

and then comes another problem with Ben’s Batman. Most of the development that turned him dark and violent was mostly done off screen. If Zack had just take his time and give each of the two their solo movies, then people would resonate more with the DCEU like with the MCU.

@@luisquintero7359 Exactly.

The LEGO Batman Movie. Is it hilarious that a toy version of the character is 10x better than Ben Affleck’s version?

Thanks!

Thanks!

Did you not see the Ultimate Cut and ZSJL? It was never about the same name. It was Superman slapping Batman and saying "Yo you're becoming the same thing that you vowed not to become." They weren't friends, they became friends by the end of ZSJL when Bruce bought out the bank for Clark. He died, and restored Batman's faith. Hell you outright HEAR him say it - himself. 🤦‍♂️

it was about the same name, thats why superman said "save MARTHA" instead of saying " save my mother" @@The_Based_Batman