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@WeSRT4 Годину тому
Let me lay this out... Miami will not be available to the Big 12. It depends on where FSU goes, SEC or B1G... Miami goes to the opposite choice. The Big 12 will end up with Pitt, Louisville, NC State, and Virginia Tech after the SEC and B1G takes North Carolina, Miami, FSU, Virginia, Clemson. The rest get downgraded to something like the American.
@tarheel7406 26 хвилин тому
Why would so many Tier 2 ACC flight risks downgrade to the new BIG12? I don't see the SEC taking MIAMI if it's only going to ~20.
@David-pt6zk 2 години тому
Drake how bout them Savannah Bananas?
@glstewart2324 2 години тому
Pitt has trouble of putting fans in the stands
@heartbreak25 3 години тому
Pitt isn't coming to the B1G. Signed: PSU (I'll never forget or forgive 2016)
@markstarcher3043 5 годин тому
Just joking.....respect pitt always
@markstarcher3043 5 годин тому
Sweet Caroline........EAT $HIT PITT!!!!!
@Joe-sm9qj 5 годин тому
I am happy Duke has decided to unalive themselves. NO to BIG 12!
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
Very unlikely there would be mutual interest.
@Joe-sm9qj Годину тому
@@tarheel7406 No. There isn't. There are absolutely no reasons to add Duke. You are a bot.
@tarheel7406 Годину тому
@@Joe-sm9qj And no reason for DUKE to go to the new BIG12, hence the mutual disinterest. BIG12 fans want to reject so badly, and I can understand from an emotional perspective. Passing on a school that has no interest in the first place isn't a rejection. In context, DUKE will end up no less alive that the new BIG12 members.
@Joe-sm9qj Годину тому
Maybe even better off than the tarheels. But hey, you can keep your rivalry in the AAC.
@MegaFrankgarcia 5 годин тому
it makes more sense for the ACC to absorb the big 12, then cut programs that aren't carrying their weight.
@tarheel7406 3 години тому
Why? The ACC has already internally considered and passed on every new BIG12 member. After the ACC depletes out, there's no more purpose for a large/wide ACC than there is for a large/wide BIG12.
@Joe-sm9qj Годину тому
Why?
@tarheel7406 5 годин тому
Word is that FOX was only interested in BIG12 basketball and will likely drop next contract with the expanded B1G. In this "what if" scenario in which ESPN does not elect to renew the ACC's deal, FOX could pick up the conference for southeastern content and the historically (and currently) best and most valuable men's basketball. All of this is speculation and very contingent on the degree of ACC depletion to the SEC/B1G.
@LockedOnBig12 5 годин тому
From a UNC perspective, I’d be looking to get out ASAP. UNC is worth Big 10 money.
@tarheel7406 5 годин тому
@@LockedOnBig12 UNC was most likely the last holdout for a new media deal that saved the ACC as a peer Tier 1. That ended with the +3 expansion over objections. UNC will eventually move to the SEC (or B1G) absent a miracle or unexpected political interference. Not sure why this is relevant to the topic at hand.
@artax84z 6 годин тому
PITT was 3rd in Average attendance increase in Power 5 (now 4) conference 2022-2023 +10,.1 k average behind Purdue +13.2 and Kansas +20.9 average. and last year a bad year for them at 3-9 The home attendance low was 41,000 against Boston College and the high of 57,000 against FSU.
@chaoticride 6 годин тому
UConn doesn’t need the big 12. The Big 12 needs UConn. The presentation he watched was 2 years ago.
@GScott-ku1yy 7 годин тому
Pitt can’t even fill up their own stadium. It’s depressing.
@markkim663 7 годин тому
I want to add Miami, Louisville and Georgia tech. Pittsburgh is a pro town and does not have its own stadium. Georgia tech with Atlanta market is a sleeping giant
@artpowers812 6 годин тому
Sorry but GT is such a minor player to the SEC and UGA, I couldn't see the Big 10 making much headway much less the XII. Remember we know absolutely nothing about the XII as they have not played one season yet.
@tarheel7406 5 годин тому
If the ACC depletes out so heavily to the SEC/B1G, that MIAMI, etc. become available, for what purpose would the BIG12 add?
@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982 4 години тому
@@tarheel7406 to get longsuffering WV and UCF some eastern teams. Cincy would like it too. But I hope the ACC stays viable.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
@@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982 If the ACC depletes out that heavily to the SEC/B1G, smaller regionals make even more sense in my view. An amicable realignment in which WVU & Cincy join the new ACC would be better than a large/wide new BIG12.
@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982 4 години тому
@@tarheel7406 That is an interesting idea. If the money is otherwise close, I can see the sense it it, for WV in particular. But why didn't the ACC try this most recently when they needed adds to counter the potential loss of Clemson and FSU? If it was an option then why add Cal and SMU? If it was not an option, why would it be an option after depletion?
@Patrick-sg7cm 7 годин тому
Pitt and Louisville could become the next Florida State and Clemson if they stay in the ACC.
@DKOBSpeaks 5 годин тому
Hmmmm. Doubtful they could win a national championship staying in the ACC.
@Patrick-sg7cm 4 години тому
@@DKOBSpeaks much like how it's doubtful that TCU or Oklahoma State will ever win a national championship while they are in the Big 12.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
@@DKOBSpeaks No one outside of the eventual P2 will win a national championship unless there are separate playoffs.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
@@Patrick-sg7cm Until BIG12 fans realize that the B12 will not be a lesser but acceptable/relevant P3, they will never get realignment correct.
@DKOBSpeaks 2 години тому
@@Patrick-sg7cm I'lll do you one better! Much like anyone not named... USC University of Washington University of Michigan Ohio State Penn State University of Alabama University of Georgia LSU University of Florida University of Texas Florida State Clemson Notre Dame Will probably win an national championship going forward. CFB was always broken. But now it is truly crumbling before our eyes... At least we can watch the NFL.
@danhauser3361 7 годин тому
Nobody is happy with what is going on…ESPN is calling the shots…not the fan or schools. The SEC /B10…are like two hungry dogs…who fight over the food…eat all they want .. Maybe lets you eat a little while they are sleeping …then wake up and go hunting again! Eating whatever and whenever they want! Thanks to ESPN filling the bowl with new meat!!
@gregnelson1330 7 годин тому
Sounds like he gave it more thought in this response. If they make it out I'm good with it.
@davidbrown386 8 годин тому
Lots of better choices then Pitt. Who are they? Louisville, GT, VT, Miami ( if they don’t go to the Big 10), and NC State (see Miami except SEC)
@bseer 8 годин тому
The 2024 TV ratings for Pitt were middling at best. You can point to other indicators but the eyeballs are not impressive. As for the market the Steelers and Penn State are the brands with Pitts being an after thought.
@michaelellis6847 11 годин тому
Duke fan....we are an academic school too....we don't need to lower our standards to big12 level. Happy Cinco de msyo!
@Joe-sm9qj Годину тому
And it shows on the field
@Newtothis-oy4gd 15 годин тому
If Miami gets rid of Mario…they might, maybe, be relevant again
@Newtothis-oy4gd 15 годин тому
Miami may have to travel to SMU and Stanford, ACC makes that difficult
@user-mr1jz4ri4r 16 годин тому
He should be fired he has ego it's about him not the players that's they are leaving he letting his to take over team
@user-mr1jz4ri4r 17 годин тому
Players are in leave like crazy
@user-jn5pm3jv1b 17 годин тому
I think all fans over-value their own conferences and find bias to downgrade other conferences. UNC is in a strong and growing market but that is the driver for other conferences to want them. UNC is not a strong football brand (check the ratings) and neither is Duke. NC State has stronger attendance than UNC, and Duke averages 24K FB fans (5 yr avg).Their MBB programs do bring a added value, due to their prestige in those sports, and very strong TV ratings.
@tarheel7406 6 годин тому
Having a huge overall brand has a spillover effect: College football's 25 biggest brands in 2022, ranked (Jul 22, 2022) "Official Visit recently surveyed 1,000 high school football players on brand strength and asked athletes to rank college football programs. They included a rolling four-year average in their data findings and the results are telling." Select Brands from the Top 25: 01 - ALABAMA 05 - CLEMSON 10 - MIAMI 12 - ND 13 - PSU 14 - UNC 16 - MICH 17 - FSU Regardless, after "base" value, the rest is subjective and relative. BIG12 fans way overvalue. It's arrogant and delusional to think that an already heavily depleted/backfilled former peer P5 is equal to or better than the largely intact ACC. After the ACC depletes out, the objective assumption is that the BIG12 and ACC would be at rough peer, with better or worse being subjective and relative.
@user-jn5pm3jv1b 4 години тому
@@tarheel7406 I don't think we need to debate the future value of the conferences. I think the TV contracts will settle that. I saw that high school poll and that is a weak argument. It boils down to how many viewers turn in to watch the game or otherwise show up in person. That is great that the kids recognize the UNC name, due to basketball, but your football isn't a big brand. Again, fans attendance and TV...can't argue with that. The fact this poll has UNC ahead of Michigan discredits the whole thing. You are smarter than that and stretching beyond reason.
@tarheel7406 3 години тому
@@user-jn5pm3jv1b a) Media value is a function of quantity and quality of viewers. b) The poll isn't determinative but informative. It's a measure of football brands. Again, the BIG12 is already dead as a peer major. I consider it the benchmark for a Tier 2 conference, the assumption for value, etc. for any other that similarly depletes out absent some strong evidence otherwise. Since Tier 2 football will be fungible and the value will be peer, the question is what Tier 2 will be the best fit for each P5 remainder. BIG12 fans don't acknowledge that the B12 is already a Tier 2; they way overvalue. I can't recall ever reading an ACC fan claim that a rebuilt ACC will be anything more than a Tier 2.
@user-mr1jz4ri4r 17 годин тому
Players are leaving he letting sons to take over the team
@curtisjasper8684 19 годин тому
Stop the click bare lies
@kogspinz4 19 годин тому
With FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC for the conference of football champions…8 different schools have won a national championship in the past thirty years…We are witnessing the birth of the G7 conferences
@heelzrule-ln1jb 20 годин тому
ACC #1 in Basketball
@danhauser3361 21 годину тому
They will have to stay…but want to know what it cost to go! Didn’t read the leaves correctly …or their Competition…NC,Va.Miami….while nobody has said how much it will cost to get out…and if the Power 2….has an appetite …for 2 or 4 or six…or just 1…stretch it out over a few years….leaving ACC. In limbo. The bottom 12 teams will have to make some tough decisions.… options..stay together with weaker conference…go to Big 12 to complete their Eastern swing..WVa. Cinn and UCF …need some partners! …or join Big East. I would want to go somewhere…where they want you…and are considered an equal! Which league would you be an equal, make equal pay, and be wanted…seems B12 is only option for the top tier of the remnants! Or any that don’t get annointed! Good luck!
@sirrobin4394 21 годину тому
RIP Duke.
@rickterry8991 22 години тому
Big 12 will never invite them
@qazw9569 22 години тому
Good!! Who the hell cares about the big 12
@tarheel7406 18 годин тому
Likely true as no mutual interest.
@user-lb1jb2rv5g 22 години тому
What did the big 12 do wrong to get stuck with Miami and their fan? lol
@JuanFigueroa-gh8zq 23 години тому
I'll continue to support the UofA. I have season tickets and I'll watch away games. Anything else? Nope. Not watching anything but my team in whatever format. CFB is nuts and getting worse.
@TXM33 День тому
If Notre Dame, UNC, FSU, Miami, GA Tech, and UVA are available the Big 12 should not hesitate to send an invitation out to any one of these programs to join the conference. The other programs and teams (with the exception of Duke basketball and Stanford) in the ACC do not offer much value to the Big 12. WVU has the support of the entire state of WV and everybody there tunes in to all of their games. Pitt vs WVU would be a good rivalry. and would definitely add many viewers in PA. Where else? KU vs Pitt? May not be as highly anticipated a football game to attract viewers.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
ND, UNC & UVA won't be available.
@danhauser3361 День тому
Yormack is unsure …not because he doesn’t know who he wants…it’s just that SEC/B10..run the First Stanza of this musical chairs….and he has to wait…be prepared ..and deal with curves being thrown…..the Biggest question is how many do you want …and when? Then it is who are the targets!? Who will go… no strings attached ! It’s those strings that make it dicey!! Once the Power 2 decide…the B12 will make their pitch…hopefully with committed intent…to the remaining targets …..or the ball may unravel! ACC can still just wait till the smoke clears to see who is still standing. It is a shame that ND and NC can’t step out and announce what they want …then the rest will know how to react. If they don’t have a plan or a clue….then welcome to WSU/OSU land! Interesting for sure…FSU and Clemson..better have invites in hand…or they may be in for a surprise!
@danhauser3361 День тому
SEC can do what they want…when they want …and who they want….and are in no big hurry. They have a plan….and have told everyone… they just haven’t been listening. The haves are making plans….and the have nots are in a state of denial or just overconfidence in their value…..putting their bets on ND and NC to pull them out of a pickle ! Roll the dice…while the musical chairs are about to start!
@danhauser3361 День тому
SCSISec
@ronelite582 День тому
Duke will not become members of the Big 12. They will be member partners with UNC, UVA, and Clemson ( possible FSU and NC State) to the SEC. It’s been discussed that both Duke and perhaps VTech/GT will take partial conference payouts to the SEC similar to Oregon and UWs payouts with the Big 10. Also, if there wasn’t a massive exit fee for leaving the Big 12, Ok State and Kansas would have options to the SEC or Big 10.
@simon2077 День тому
If it wasn't for Texas, ESPN and the SEC there would have never been realignment. Texas can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. What a cancer.
@marcuswood840 День тому
I'm sure the ACC will exist in some level. May be a touch more like AAC, but they'll have an option to stay put.
@tarheel7406 День тому
Not too far off. The gap between the Tier 2 BIG12 and future Tier 2 ACC to the G5s will be smaller than to the eventual Tier 1s.
@marcuswood840 8 годин тому
@@tarheel7406 I do believe some teams in the current ACC are feeling the pressure to jump or get left behind. It hit B12 and P12, ACC is next. They have too many good teams to not get their turn. I'm tempted to believe once the dust settles, middle tier ACC teams will join B12, specifically for BBall. Post ACC will likely merge with AAC like remaining PAC teams will to MWC.
@tarheel7406 6 годин тому
@@marcuswood840 The BIG12 has already imploded, collapsed, sunk, etc. It has already de facto lost its top 6 (net). The BIG12 is already left behind and set as a Tier 2 conference. So why would any middle tier ACC remainder leave the future Tier 2 ACC and move to an already too big, wide and diverse Tier 2 BIG12? Smaller regionals that have some cultural uniformity would be far better at the Tier 2 level.
@marcuswood840 6 годин тому
@@tarheel7406 I think this a very good question and requires a lot of conjecture to answer. First, we must assume the ACC's day in realignment is coming. The size of this will be critical in my conjecture. IF the number of teams to jump to B1G/SEC is between 4-8, 8 being a high number I'm really not sure of, and IF then ND see's the writing on the wall and moves on, the ACC would be significantly gutted, ESPN would renegotiate, and THEN teams would consider the B12. I'm of no opinion that currently ACC teams would prefer the B12. I'm also not of the opinion that only 2 teams leaving would trigger any move to the B12.
@tarheel7406 6 годин тому
@@marcuswood840 "we must assume the ACC's day in realignment is coming." Yes, the ACC will deplete down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level and is already managing that decline. " IF the number of teams to jump to B1G/SEC is between 4-8, 8 being a high number I'm really not sure of, and IF then ND see's the writing on the wall and moves on" a) Yes, the level of ACC depletion to the B1G/SEC from lite to [heavy] will determine much, but perhaps not what the ACC remainders do relative to the BIG12. If lite, the ACC remains a relevant and best Tier 2. If moderate, the ACC remains (at a minimum) a peer of the new BIG12. If heavy, it won't matter, as all of the ACC remainders and new BIG12 will be too far behind and irrelevant in context. b) ND is an ACC insider with a strategy of keeping ACC depletion lite so it can keep the status quo from ND's perspective. "THEN teams would consider the B12' Again, if the ACC heavily depletes out to the B1G/SEC, there's even less purpose for an even larger, wider, more diverse, and irrelevant BIG12. I see no such purpose.
@kentfultz4842 День тому
There always Big East for basketball then to the AAC for football… that’s about your only options. I’d hate to see them in the Big 12, please no!
@tarheel7406 День тому
The 8 BIG12 remainders had no better options, so they stayed and rebuilt.
@robertgibbs6480 День тому
Why all of a sudden are many of the Big12 utube Chanel’s and Blog courting Duke? Is this part of a larger Big 12 campaign to accelerate the destabilization of the Acc so Big12 can poach ACC teams ?
@jing-xt2tg 21 годину тому
They are just commenting on what is happening, there is no deeper conspiracy. FSU, Clemson, UVA and UNC will leave, that's a fact. Once they do, do you think Miami, Louisville, NC State, etc. will be content with backfilling with AAC schools? The Big 12 will have their pick of the best 4-6 of what's left in the ACC, just like they did with the 4 corners of the PAC.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
@@jing-xt2tg a) The ACC has already preemptively replaced ~4. b) MIAMI, etc. would prefer staying in a lightly depleted ACC than downgrade to the new BIG12, hence the preemptive backfill.
@robertgibbs6480 День тому
From a. Duke perspective, the Big12 would be academic step down for Duke.
@jamesstone9213 День тому
They haven't been invited. And won't be
@tarheel7406 День тому
@@jamesstone9213 You're correct. Mutual disinterest.
@brandonh5360 День тому
Duke is one of those schools that think academics are important to the conference. Not a fit for us anyway
@TheDuds33 День тому
Duke: we'd rather die in the ACC than join the Big 12 From BYU fans: your terms are acceptable
@tarheel7406 День тому
In context, one is also football dead in the new BIG12.
@yellowmartian 22 години тому
@@tarheel7406BYU has a much better reason to hate Dook than even UNC. Fuck Dook.
@tarheel7406 21 годину тому
@@yellowmartian I didn't follow that story closely, but I left it thinking stupid DUKE rushed to judgment yet again. That culture should definitely be considered in realignment.
@Joe-sm9qj 5 годин тому
@@tarheel7406 Especially tarheel fans. 😅😅. See ya!
@tarheel7406 5 годин тому
@@Joe-sm9qj Huh? Nonsense comment in the context of this thread.
@ranpen6 День тому
I think with the Bg 12 expansion, Pitt is a natural fit for the eastern division with WVU, Cincy, UCF. As a WVU fan, I want this, and the TV audience will be fantastic for this rivalry game. On the other hand, I would like a little payback for Pitt fighting to keep WVU out of the ACC some years ago. They don't bring much to there table for fan base or audience. Definitely bring in VT and NC State.
@tarheel7406 4 години тому
Why would 2nd Tier ACC flight risks move to the new BIG12?
@johngarnergarner6724 День тому
Look, nothing against the Big XII, but Duke isn't going to join the Big XII. I've been following your channel for a while---and by the way--- it's excellent. But let me give you a different perspective. I am a UNC grad and have been in the middle of the three triangle ACC schools my entire life. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think NC State, Duke or UNC will leave the ACC. Clearly FSU and Clemson are gone and we all know that there has been dissension at UNC in regards to the trustees and the athletics director. But at the end of the day my guess is that they will all remain. To replace Clemson and FSU, the ACC will raid the American and maybe even the Sunbelt. My guess is that South Florida, UCONN and perhaps ECU will move up. However. if I am wrong I don't think Duke will have a problem moving to either the SEC or Big Ten. My guess would be the Big Ten. Here's why. Duke is one of the top academic institutions in the world. They are exactly who the Big Ten would want. The fallacy of your thinking is that this is all about football. It's not. I think the Big Ten in particular would love to be associated with Duke. And another thing: If you really examine the Big Ten. there are only three football powers in that conference--Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. The rest of the Big Ten is just plain mediocre. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Mich State, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisc. None of these schools are any better than Duke.
@tarheel7406 День тому
a) Where is CLEMSON going if UNC stays? b) The ACC has already preemptively replaced ~4 members. c) No P2 takes DUKE unless packaged with UNC. UNC was the last of the biggest ACC brands to give up hope of saving the ACC as a peer Tier 1. That ended with the dilutive +3 expansion over objections. Ignoring any political interference, UNC is leaving with or without coattailed +1s.
@davidbrown386 День тому
Duke is a southern Stanford. Elite academics, a private university and weak football in a worse TV market. Guess what? Fox and the Big 10 rejected Stanford and they will reject Duke as well.
@tarheel7406 День тому
@@davidbrown386 Actually, the differences would be DUKE has a blue revenue sport and is actually in a better market when demo/culture trends are considered. DUKE also provide more synergies than STANFORD. No high value expansion target (including ND) will attempt to coattail STANFORD. DUKE is better positioned.
@EconAdviser День тому
Grab Miami, VaTech, Pitt, NCSt, Memphis to become the ONLY big-city conference!
@donjohnson6186 День тому
Great show,
@royandphyllisteter927 День тому
No Pitt Ever!!