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I've got a customer with an Ameristar ductless heat pump mini split that is leaking refrigerant. In this video I show my troubleshooting and repair process to get the system leak free. Hope you enjoy the video, LET'S DO SOME WORK!!
#skilledtrades #hvacrepairs #ductlessminisplit
@jim7smith Рік тому
Love how organized you are and put everything away immediately after using. Saves a LOT of time trying to find "misplaced" equipment and tools.
@jroberts3428 11 місяців тому
I also really admire this as this is my biggest downfall. Working on it everyday.
@Barracuda48082 9 місяців тому
Ahh mini ductless..1 hose
@theobserver9131 4 місяці тому
If I spent that much time fussing around with my tools, I'd never get any work done. And I can't imagine keeping my tools at a storage unit. That would be another huge barrier to getting things done. I have one big toolbox. Some people call it a pick up truck. I could be sitting in my house and think to myself; "I need a pair of pliers right now", and have them in my hand 30 seconds later.
@randallsnell5767 Рік тому
Every leak I have seen on one of these systems has been at the flare, either inside or outside. On one job, I followed a well known local contractor who used "Leak Lok" on the flares. Good flares, and oil only, for me.
@johnhubbard6262 2 роки тому
I am enjoying watching you "living" the truck life for service. I started that way and as much as I loved it when I got in a service van I just couldn't justify anything less than a service body. Now after years retired and helping my son get his start with NO new vehicles available in Ca. I find myself back in the truck life looking for that storage unit/garage to call the shop. I will be interested in seeing how you build out that truck, I am a big fan of the deck drawer and matching top system myself if it's just a single trade. If you do go to any of the deck systems buy a rebuild kit for the pullout rollers/latches/locks etc, 2-3 years down the road you will thank yourself when you don't have a 500# plus drawer slamming around until you get replacement parts.
@doubledogdrone Рік тому
Dude! You're a PRO. I owned a residential swimming pool business and this is the caliber of organization and step by step troubleshooting and repair that I always aimed for.
@davidryder3374 Рік тому
Mini-splits with their flares were designed to sell refrigerant, I feel. I had a fitting that leaked for years, despite re-flaring twice and torqueing perfectly to spec. Out of desperation, I finally just hoses it down with bubble fluid, backed the nut off and then re-cranked, going way past the specified torque and watching the bubbles. After a pretty good amount of torque, the bubbles tapered off and stopped and it hasn't leaked since (at least 4 years now).
@averynw9180 10 місяців тому
My boss at my first company had no idea what to do with these systems. Torquing to spec with new wrench we had countless leaks, key is like you said, backing off and then retorquing, torquing all at once causes tortional friction and backing off half turn cures this issue. Still haven't decided whether like design but open minded. Weird as fuck not in directions first place.
@paulgaras2606 10 місяців тому
A lot of the copper that’s on shelves now is like paper. It doesn’t glide as nice on the face of the flare like it used to. Nylog helps but still every tenth flare just won’t seal. It’s absolutely that the copper is too brittle and flimsy
@Georooney 4 місяці тому
Oldtimers like me don't use flare wrenches. We use good old 10-point open flare wrenches, and learn by feel how tight to pull up the flare nut. That's where experience comes in. I never had one of my flare connections leak, not then or over time.
@Heathfx5 13 годин тому
10 lb-ft seems too low, maybe with lube its enough. I would almost think that a better torque spec would involve a stage 1 torque to 50% of the desired lb-ft, then stage 2 with a degree gauge and torque another number of degrees of rotation. I DIY installed a mini-split 3 years ago and it still runs great, but I know I went well over the torque spec and tightened it by feel.
@latishaashford8662 8 місяців тому
Finally got it up and running. The only delays we had was because we realized we needed some extra parts (I’ll list that below) ukposts.infoUgkxihMYiJNXcHdbH-7ihymsLz61l7jVyb5O . So we have a loft where our current hvac just couldn’t seem to keep cool during the summer. We have been using a window unit since we bought this house over 6 years ago (all the houses in this neighborhood were built in the 80’s and majority of the houses built like ours use a window unit). I hate window units because they are just so noisy and the one we had really only cools one side of the loft. I had contemplated upgrading our current HVAC, but with all the rising prices these days, it would take years before saving up enough to do that. With the advice of my father-in-law (used to run an HVAC business), he recommended we get an inverter instead. We thought we bought everything we needed, but there were just a few other parts we didn’t anticipate needing (which is what caused most of our delay). My friend and father-in-law did all the work to get it installed and running and now we have nice cool air circulating nicely throughout the entire loft. It is very quiet and even the outside unit is much quieter than our main HVAC unit. Saved ourselves thousands getting this.
@mikemike7397 Рік тому
Man….you made it clear and concise. Real easy to follow. I don’t know if I can afford your tool setup but definitely can follow your directions. Definitely got a sub from me
@emiliotamayo3256 Рік тому
Loved your video, I always like to watch detailed oriented guys. I work automotive A/C systems since I was in my twenties and being organized and detailed oriented helps you to get it well done the first time.
@mikep5701 Рік тому
Great video. I'm retired now 5 years after 40 years. Fieldpiece has come along way. I still have one of their VOMs.
@bgpobeda 2 роки тому
Usually, once a guy has made a poor quality flare on the outside, you need to make new flares and on the indoor unit as well. Take this advice from colleague from Bulgaria with 24yrs. experience with this type of AC units.
@BYENZER 2 роки тому
TRUE!
@joffrecueva5662 2 роки тому
What could happen if you don't?
@bgpobeda 2 роки тому
@@joffrecueva5662 ...you risk (more than 51%) coming back a second time, at your own expense.
@andrijolic 2 роки тому
true, so true, you see i hate when someone do poor job, but soo many bad jobs around, eaven with so call it professionals. once i was on cleaning job small ac unit, soooo stinky, i was yea its dirti, so i clean it full, like fan was out, and i got second call still stinks, i go back, and its true, i was like wtf, i eaven tought about pets, owners etc...and after like 5h making a fool of myself tinking wtf, i discovered small electrical smell device near ac unit, and you know what, smell was gone
@seanmathews1826 2 роки тому
Cut those damn flare fittings off the indoor unit and braze them. The fewer the flare fittings the better.
@Jc124 Рік тому
This guy has to be the most organized tech I’ve seen,he’s got every nice tool also!😂
@isaacwoelfling 2 роки тому
Nice vid bro as always. One suggestion on my Sman Guages it tells you to put the temp clamp on the suction line in order to self adjust the pressure drop based off of line temp. Not sure if yours has this feature but makes me more confident in my flares! And keeps me from guessing if the small pressure drops were from my hoses leaking or line temp changing.
@EarlHayward 8 місяців тому
Won’t work on these systems with VFDs… Depending on the multiple thermistors and temperature sensors, you could have super heat of 1 or 2 degrees when running perfectly to specs…
@deviceone Рік тому
Im not an HVAC person at all but I love learning how to diagnose and fix things (or at least know what to tell a specialist.) I appreciate you taking the mystery out of it and your editing is really on point
@lesgobrandon5501 3 місяці тому
Yeah. The contractor loves to be told by a youtube university student how to do their job. Keep waiting for sleepy joe to pay off your multiple degrees
@markchidester6239 Місяць тому
@@lesgobrandon5501Couldn't have said it any better!
@eddiealvarado3531 2 роки тому
Damm Bro congratulations on your channel's growth. I can definitely see why. You made this look so easy and your explanations are on point. keep it up. Really enjoy your content.
@NL-DIYer Рік тому
Well done, wish all service people were this thorough and professional.
@martinheatingcoolingmartin4693 11 місяців тому
I have the same evac pump and hose. Love it! It sure does make it faster. Also, I’m glad you explained how you set up to the the port on the mini-split. I’ve noticed the same thing. There’s not much you can do, unless the port is designed better.
@allenburns3177 Рік тому
Experience is invaluable when doing flares. I used to use a drop of oil on the flaring cone. For 410 a drop of nylog. Experience might let you not use a torque wrench to tighten. For most use the torque wrench to tighten to specs. Also i coat both sides of the flare with nylog. The only leak i ever had was a siding contractor hit the condensor unit outside after a unit was a couple years old and it leaked. Great advice in this video
@James1095 Рік тому
I use Nylog on R22 also, there's two different types available, red and blue depending on the refrigerant. It's good stuff, I use it as lube when flaring too.
@Georooney 4 місяці тому
Nice video, from an old refrigeration mechanic. One thing: I didn't see you recover the partial refrigerant charge that was in the system when you arrived; it seems that you blew it off with the nitrogen. In most jurisdictions it's illegal to vent refrigerant to the atmosphere.
@garagedad103 Рік тому
I been an RN for 12 years and after seen your videos believe me when I say that i’m thinking very seriously on become and HVAC tech.
@erronellington8800 10 місяців тому
The man is clean, looks and sounds really confident. Tools are clean and of good quality and the man knows his tools. Everything screams pro. Nice vid bro. Big up!!
@jcarney1987 2 роки тому
Rule of thumb, check all flares indoor and out, 5 more mins might just save you hours of work. Poor copper flared from my experience always has hard spots and don't never seat well.
@jspinosa50 2 роки тому
I silver solder the evap. connection instead of flares. This way you never have to worry if your leak is in the evaporator.
@mikeclarke3005 Рік тому
only thing hate about the mini's the flared connections not great for the higher pressures with R410a, braised line sets normal splits better so many situations have went with PTAC thru wall units better than installing mini splits if lower wall unit not an issue where installed, sun rooms, workshops, get as good of pricing on small PTAC as mini split.
@ShavkaTchiK 2 роки тому
Nah fam, as soon as you remove the old flare I would recommend redoing the flare. I know it might look good but that flare was already pressed down when they tried to torque it. That’s just my way of doing it. I don’t trust others flaring other than my own.
@hugba 2 роки тому
Always new flares! Takes 6 minutes
@medonhomeimprovementsllc8039 Рік тому
Yup always new flares. Can't trust the old flare!
@krispyasfk2567 Рік тому
@@hugba Takes 30 seconds with the Navac flairing tool. Best investment I ever made.
@cubanpapimiami Рік тому
I would say this is a judgement call of the person actually looking at the problem. I've reused flares with no issue. Again to each his own
@SovereignTroll Рік тому
I was shown in school the factory vs. redo flare (eccentric only) and factory LEAKER!
@mustangcircut Рік тому
And the man wiped everything down after!!!!! Thank you. As a service tech I’ve seen a lot of funny things. When you are done with new install or repair clean it. This is when the “other guy” comes out for a leak or do a check up a lot of haste has been saved. Great video!!
@Z22ZINFS 8 місяців тому
Excellent UKpostsr. I like the way you fast forward, elapse time, save the fewer''s time, but you get the main issues across. Good fortune!
@111000100101001 Рік тому
Excellent video and good advice on what to look for. There sits a $400 bottle of gas that was $100 last year!
@jwestney2859 Рік тому
On Tuesday I have a crane and mechanics -- two really good guys -- coming to rescue a rooftop unit. (To help the people who are now working in a very hot office.) The outdoor coil failed -- leaks where the guys cannot braze it. This is a difficult situation because a new rooftop unit takes 52 weeks to get so getting a whole new rooftop unit is not possible. But we have a plan! The guys are gonna install a brand-new condenser unit (compressor and outdoor fan). They are gonna connect this new condenser unit to the existing indoor coil. Of course they will connect the power circuit and the control circuit. Besides that they will be using a new refrigerant because the old unit ran on R-22. Pretty sure this is all going to work. I have fixed a lot of stuff in my life -- it is not easy -- so I respect these guys that can figger stuff out and make it work!
@b-2466 2 роки тому
Zac out here livin his best life. Nice work man. 🤙🏻
@OHUQTU Рік тому
My mini-split was installed on the same style pad as the one in your video - in my Michigan winter, ice built up underneath, and I had to raise it two feet above the ground, and regularly remove the ice build-up.
@pmichaelhayes 2 роки тому
I ran into the issue of not being able to get the core removal tool yesterday. I took the anchors off the foot tabs and slid the heat pump over the edge so I could get it on. So much faster with the valve core removed, but with such a small and short lineset probably didn't make much of a difference.
@charlieromeo7663 Рік тому
Thoughtful installers could position the valves beyond the edge of the support base, or he could have done the mod here. Short line set so evacuation probably didn’t take too long.
@Nwflyingsolow 2 роки тому
That nylock goes on just the back side of the flare like you did but not on the threads, it’s a dry torque spec. A triple evacuation method is good practice to do on these types of systems as well when you open that line set to the outside air, it is a few extra mins but it’s what the install manual calls for. Keep up the good work
@sprockkets 2 роки тому
Triple evac is an outdated practice, back when we didn't have micron guages that had 1 micron resolution.
@Jdrichardson35christ 2 роки тому
@@sprockkets no it isn't. During vacuum ice will form possibly plugging the txv or other restriction points.. what about the micron Guage changes that ?
@sprockkets 2 роки тому
@@Jdrichardson35christ You need to do research on this topic at the hvac school channel hosted by Brian or with Jim Bergmann. The nitrogen you put in does little to dry out the lines. It was done because it recalibrates micron gauges from the past. Think: if you get a 50 micron reading while doing a vacuum, you have no moisture in the first place. I reach that in less than 5 minutes on a new mini split system, but let it go for 30 min because i can't read the far end.
@Nwflyingsolow 2 роки тому
It’s directly from the installation manual, if that’s what the manufacturer says to do, then that’s what they want you to do. If it was outdated it wouldn’t still be in the installation manual of 2022 model’s
@sprockkets 2 роки тому
@@Nwflyingsolow I don't care if it is in the instruction manual of installing a Mitsubishi ductless unit. I'm not a tech stuck in the 90s with outdated tools. You are not going to get down to 50 microns with moisture in the lineset, period. You can waste time and nitrogen; I'm not.
@IsaiDomnguez 2 роки тому
The video editing was amazing in this video!!! I hope you can continue this style of video!!!
@soniclab-cnc Рік тому
Super organized and a very straight forward presentation. Thank you.
@dc6233 Рік тому
If we threw our hoses on the ground (in the grass) our teacher made us wear them around our neck for the rest of the day 🤣 Otherwise, great job!! I hate mini splits for this reason, never trust a mechanical connection, a light tap with a lawnmower will cause a leak. EDIT - Look at the siding behind that unit, it's cracked! That means a weedwhacker has been behind it...
@LilYeshua Рік тому
Bollards and fencing keeps the lawn maintenance guys away
@terrygoodrich2639 2 роки тому
When installing these units we always cut the flare connections for the wall unit, and braze them to the refrigerant lines. that way you can always eliminate the possibility of them leaking as well. I bet you if it was leaking at the condensor flares, it's also leaking at the wall unit flares.
@Omaha__ 2 роки тому
if there was another leak, he would not be able to pull the unit down below 500 microns, he could triple evacuate as well and that proves there is not another leak. I do agree with you, while your there you might as well check the other connections.
@SpeedDemonssk8er 2 роки тому
@@Omaha__ not true at all
@timrob0420 2 роки тому
@@SpeedDemonssk8er most definitely true. If there was a leak it would not hold a vaccum under 1000microns during a decay test
@pbservano 2 роки тому
I was thinking the same way. Eliminate the possible leaks in the future.....
@jcarney1987 2 роки тому
@@Omaha__ I just did 4 houses and pulled each house down to 150 microns, short linesets, and 3 of them held with less than a rise of over 200 during a 10min decay. My fourth house held 250psi nitrogen pressure, but when I pulled vacuum, I could get it down to 243 Microns, but a rise just over 1000 in 10 min decay. I always attach my micron gauge at the end of the system. Turns out my leak was at the beginning. This is why leak decays are always required.
@martinnorbeck4657 10 місяців тому
370 lbs of pressure on the Nitrogen. I do automotive A/C at work and have for years. These Mini-splits are new to me. Great job showing Fieldpiece equipment and features. I have used shop air for years when I suspect a leak. Tried it all. Soapy water still is great for any leak detection.
@kellyvcraig 9 місяців тому
Know nothing about HVAC, but was captivated by your pump. Loved the quick oil change feature, though mine take only a minute and, since mine are used for chambers, I filter my oil and use it again. One of my pumps has a filter and I get nothing in the air from it, as it builds vacuum. The other mists until I build a significant vacuum. On a whim, I used an old CPAP hose to move the mist away. It worked and, if I had to move it a long ways, I could push air in from a Y to assist moving the mist out of the shop. All this is to say, I loved that exhaust feature on your pump.
@DeLaVeGaGR Рік тому
The most common issue with the "mini splits" (as you fellow Americans are calling them) is the capacitor, a leak in the system is just a bad job, or poor quality fittings. One free tip, stop installing them on the ground, just hang them on the wall (if possible) just like the rest of the world, it's easier to get moisture on the internal pcb or to be clogged, also shorter tubes increase efficiency. I have been running a 24k BTU Mitsubishi Heavy Industries AC for 15 years without any major issue, after 10 years it only needed a capacitor replacement
@wadeconner3200 Рік тому
Us Yanks will learn LOL
@jwaflergmailcom 2 роки тому
I thought id seen this unit before.... went back and watched one of your earlier install video's. Looks like someone didn't torque those flares……It happens, live and learn.
@gemrough Рік тому
Yep you are right. He did this unit on one of his first videos and didn’t torque them. (Been there myself, always learning and improving)
@mhadlock78 Рік тому
I always use nylog and torque the fittings. Static pressure test with nitrogen at 500 psi for an hour as well. Nice video!
@timothysears6970 7 місяців тому
My goodness, this video covers EXACTLY what is wrong with my (newly installed) mini-split. Love how you walked through it!
@MurderTeam1995 Рік тому
When using the pressure test on the manifold, you are supposed to also hook up your temperature probe to measure temperature of the line to account for Pressure-Temperature relation
@keithwiebe1787 Рік тому
On a mini split? Where are the specs for pressure?
@MurderTeam1995 Рік тому
@Keith Wiebe not sure what exactly you're asking, but I'm just simply stating what the instruction manual for those gauges say about the tightness test function on the manifold.
@keithwiebe1787 Рік тому
@@MurderTeam1995 Maybe I misunderstood your answer. Perhaps you were referring to checking the pressure drop with temp in checking for leaks with nitrogen. I at first thought you were talking about how to fill up system according to temperature. You're not suppose to do that but I did on mine.
@Danman1972 Рік тому
Def. not a pro. I know a little bit about HVAC, but I'm def. a tool lover and will say that set of tools looks slick. Packs nice, minimalistic, and shows you good data. I were to use stuff like this on a daily I'd definably want a system like you have.
@mnysparks Рік тому
Thank you very much for this video. New HVAC repair technician coming to diagnose leak that previous two techs failed to fix! Will help with insuring a through job is done.
@melissachartres3219 Рік тому
I love how careful he is... to show his entire viewing audience his storage unit combination. GREAT WORK... said thieves.
@DarrellPoe Рік тому
Thought the same thing when I saw that!
@dominicm2175 Рік тому
I’ve seen the bigger companies throw several techs at an install and they are rolling out in just a few hours and I always wonder how the connections will hold up to several heat/cool cycles when clearly the pressure and vacuum tests were brief. Most manufacturers call for triple evac. I’m a one man show and I insist my nitrogen test at 500psi holds overnight. Of course this makes service calls like the one in the video impossible.
@southbridgeforestHOA Рік тому
AGREE. HOW CAN A 0.3 PSI DROP OVER 15 MINUTES BE GOOD?? 6:05 THAT'S ALMOST 3OPSI DROP OVER A DAY! WHAT PSI DROP IS ACCEPTABLE WOULD A DROP DOWN TO 499PSI OVER A DAY BE OK?
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Рік тому
One note: anytime you're using a torque wrench you can't re position the wrench when you're close to the torque spec. If you're trying to hit 10 ft/lbs but stop at 9 ft/lbs and reposition the wrench, the wrench will hit 10 ft/lbs and click without tightening the nut at all because it takes more torque to get it started tightening again, so you will still be at 9. That also means multiple clicks on a torque wrench does not work for checking if something is properly torqued. It takes like 130-140% of the torque load to get the nut moving again.
@paintballthieupwns Рік тому
That is not blanket true - many multi stage tightening procedures have less than a 130% jump to final torque. Also he was using a thread/joint lubricant which makes it less sensitive. Will agree that one smooth motion to final torque is best.
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Рік тому
@@paintballthieupwns 130-140% isn't really the important part, if you stop early to reposition and the wrench clicks without moving the nut you're at the wrong torque. Thread lubricant is a whole other can of worms since it's impossible to get the correct torque without the lubricant being included in the spec. I assumed it was a sealant and/or anti-seize not lubricant.
@karlchilders5420 Рік тому
No sir, there are no absolutes in reality when it comes to this. It depends on a number of factors - composition of the nut/bolt, thread sealer being used, any debris or rust present, any lubrication used, and so on. I get where you came up with that, but to say "(x) amount of force is needed to do (y)" is wildly variable.
@busterworley8418 Рік тому
Once you use lube your torque change’s.
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Рік тому
@@karlchilders5420 Like I already stated, the % is not even the important part. It doesn't matter if it takes 110% or 190%, with a click wrench you don't even know what torque you're at when you stop anyways. The point is, if you stop and start again and the bolt doesn't move before the click you're at the wrong torque. Nut composition, sealants and lubricants are all part of developing the torque spec. Using dirty/rusty bolts again, is a different conversation.
@BUTTEWORKS Рік тому
I don't know much about HVAC systems but looking at the work you put in filming, editing and music it shows attention to details.
@johngatsby1473 Рік тому
It's easy as hell. If you want to make serious money...go learn it and you too can rip those fukrs heads off and make bank. Like taking candy from a baby
@glenbender6071 Рік тому
glad to see a real HVACR contractor. i am retired after 45 years , what i see in NC & Florida in the AC business discuss me. God bless and good luck.
@SteveR-ym3yc 8 місяців тому
Yikes, that regulator and or meter cannot be that close to a source of ignition (A/C Unit).
@guruofendtimes819 10 днів тому
Yeah there's a lot of con men and a lot of incompetence that can't diagnose problems
@tennesseehvac670 2 роки тому
For everyone that is going to say "why didn't you recover the refrigerant...??" It was only 50 PSI of 410a. When he opened it I didn't see any gas blow. So that WOULD be considered deminimus.
@mrtheloverboy89 2 роки тому
Plus mixed with nitrogen it’s not pure 410 anymore lol
@murkyturkey5238 2 роки тому
Global warming is a scam anyway
@jcarney1987 2 роки тому
He honestly should have recovered it before charging with nitrogen. EPA a pain in the ass, but truth be told, 99% hvac techs do it like this anyways.
@OcRefrigeration 2 роки тому
@@mrtheloverboy89 also - never recover refrigerant & nitrogen together after presure testing. nitrogen is not a compressible gas & will ruin a recovery machine.
@OcRefrigeration 2 роки тому
@@jcarney1987 at 50 psig with 410a its below saturation temperature for ambient hense no liquid. so only 50psig vapor. you want 25-50 psig refrigerant with nitrogen for leak checking for leak detecting. so thats how it should be done. recovery should only happen if pressure is over saturation temperature for ambient hense you will be recovery some liquid refrigerant. otherwise its just a poof of vapor below saturation temp.
@Pennconst101 2 роки тому
Just a quick heads up when pressure testing. Use caution when you’re going much above the “low side test pressure”. When pressure testing you will usually want to use no more than a systems low side rated pressure.
@Casal70 2 роки тому
I was thinking about that when I was watching the video. Any suggestions about safe level when it is unknown, because I think it is unknown on the machines I will work on after exam. My previous thought was do not go over HP-switch rating with equalized pressures. I kind of wanna blow LP-switches on purpose in shop just to know. (Talking about line set braced on sensors, not adjustable).
@yoitsrob Рік тому
That wouldn't be code in BC. Here there are set amounts of pressure to test for the high and low. Since they'd be wanting to equalize, I was taught to hit both sides with the high side amount. Roughly 300 PSI for r22 and 450 for r410a
@Pennconst101 Рік тому
Most of my bosses like to use rules of thumb. Mine are typically 400 for 410a, 200 for most low/medium temp refrigeration applications. Never go over the high switch rating. You’re looking for leaks, not trying to create them.
@mtsaz100 Рік тому
what did he do wrong? Nothing. I use the western regulator on mini splits ---it only puts in about 200 psi on "test" mode but he did it right.
@nsant Рік тому
@@BernWag most mini split manuals tell you to test at 400+
@marcthvac Рік тому
All these videos do is make me feel confident in what I already know.
@williamhoodtn Рік тому
This has been the exact issue with mine after the same tech couldn't get his reamer tool to make a good enough flair. Finally was able to do so after two visits (no charge).
@CookieManCookies Рік тому
Nice video, between the $660 fieldpiece VP87, the $530 SM380V, $200 TRQ1080 torque wrench kit, $550 trublu evacuation hose/adapter kit, $220 MG44 vacuum gauge, and a $330 SRS3 Wireless Scale with Remote. That's like $2,500 in test equipment... I'm sure the N2 & R410A cans aren't cheap either. O_O;
@jberkhimer Рік тому
But having all of that stuff and knowing how to use it quickly like that, he's making that money back in days or weeks and it'll last a long time I'ms ure with how he treats his stuff.
@ARKenMan Рік тому
@@jberkhimer exactly!
@dallynsr Рік тому
Raiden my thoughts exactly. I mean, don’t get me wrong, good tools and equipment sure are nicer for the tech worker and are usually the sign of a good job well done. But not always. In my town, the customers can’t afford to pay for what that equipment is worth, just means it’ll take me longer to build up to that level is all.
@davidryder3374 Рік тому
This is why homeowners really shouldn't be doing refrigeration work themselves. The pre-flared ends make it POSSIBLE to do it yourself, but there are just too many service tools required to do the job properly, and if something goes wrong, a homeowner would never be able to move past that point, if they're even aware of it. Then they end up calling a service guy anyway, and don't we just LOVE coming in behind someone that's screwed something up...
@warenmann1042 2 роки тому
Was there any reason you did not check the torque on the other flare. My thinking is that , even though it did not indicate a leak, if one is loose or installed improperly isn't it possible that the other one might have a problem also...
@Beariam24 Рік тому
Love the channel. It’s funny in the UK we have to take F-Gas course to be able to handle refrigerant. On the practical if you let any refrigerant out from anywhere you fail the exam.
@lindseyyah1 2 роки тому
Your are always professional in your service great job...
@cameronprice931 2 роки тому
I always spit on the flare and can lock it up nice with two adjustable wrenches.. it’s nice to see how it supposed to be done
@anibalfernandez7363 2 роки тому
🤣
@MrBen527 2 роки тому
KY would be even better!
@InverterAlways 2 роки тому
Lmao
@jdewitt-pn9kr 2 роки тому
All about spittin and feelin
@HVACRTECH-83 2 роки тому
For a min I thought you were serious about the spit bit. Wouldn't suprise me if someone on here would say to use spit cause it's all natural and environmentally safe substance which also happens to be a condensable and to top it off, it's safe to use on all refrigerants
@coldfinger459sub0 2 роки тому
👍 excellent video as always. It would be nice if we could order mini splits without flare fittings completely put an end to their leaks once and for all As for the indoor air handler on mini splits I always cut off the indoor flare fittings and just Silverbreeze them they will never leak and exceed the life of the units for the next 20 years . Something that we can never say for any mechanical crimped system just due to the physics of expansion and contraction of unlike materials copper to brass or any friction fit material
@brnmcc01 Рік тому
I did all that on a 2 head LG system couple years ago, after 18 month got a callback it was coding 35 on lower floor indoor unit for low charge. Pulled the charge on it, it was 50% gone. Checked all my flares, no leaks found. Turns out was several leaks on the lower floor indoor unit, on the return bends on the evap coil. One pretty big one that blew bubbles, 2-3 others that could pickup with electronic leak detector. Strange thing was the leaks were at the opposite end of the coil from the brazed parts... Cheap thin copper tubing I guess. Just goes to show, you can be as careful as you want installing one of these, and can still get refrigerant leaks. The amount of labor to pull the unit off the wall and change out the coil was way more that I wanted to do, so I complained to LG and they finally allowed me to warranty the entire unit. Since it has to come off the wall anyway to change the coil, and then put it back up, might as well just pull the whole thing and just install a new one. Saved a ton of time, and plus the replacement coil was unobtainium anyway, back ordered for 2 months they said. I was like jeez, it's July now, so the customer will have no A/C until September??? That was another reason LG authorized a unit replacement, there's something in the fine print that if replacement parts aren't available in 30 days, they will do that, but have to insist.
@coldfinger459sub0 Рік тому
@@brnmcc01 that’s good to know I have not had one leak yet but I remember that if they say it’s going to take over 30 days
@mubaddagammoh4912 Рік тому
That’s some real quality work you are details oriented man i like this so much
@thejnelson88 2 роки тому
Dude, good meter placement! I laughed when I seen how you covered that up.
@ride-it-outtimandtoni232 2 роки тому
Thanks for the video but you may want to mention that the white insulation on your line set will be another major cause of a ductless failure. They are corroding the copper and causing pinholes to form within months of install. I have a video of it posted on a 3 zone system installed less then 1 1/2 ago.
@mikeytunnell4706 2 роки тому
If you read the paper that the white insulation comes with it calls for sealing the ends of it to prevent water from getting between the insulation and the copper. The water in there causes some sort of chemical reaction that is super corrosive. I have 2 side jobs i installed 2 1/2 years ago that have yet to have any issues after sealing the insulation with waterproof outdoor caulking
@ride-it-outtimandtoni232 2 роки тому
@@mikeytunnell4706 Funny of the 4 line sets Installed on this job none of them had any sticker on the box or instructions stating that they needed to be sealed on the ends. But as a common practice I sealed them anyway. But not with caulk as in all the facility’s I’ve maintained I have never seen this done. Will the caulk also remove the moisture that’s already in the air that’s in there. What I have read is these instructions were put out to cover there faulty product after the fact as this has been going on since 2015. Glad to hear you’re installs are good but it’s hit or miss on this issue happening as you can see in my videos. The copper will be brand new and shiny and as you move a long it will all of a sudden look greenish black and pin holes like that section was contaminated with something.
@mikeytunnell4706 2 роки тому
@@ride-it-outtimandtoni232 interesting i didnt know it was a cya thing with those companies. Maybe i’ve just had very good luck but those are the only side jobs i’ve done that werent maintenance so I was being overly cautious with everything. I also live in Houston where it is 90% humidity pretty much year round so there is a large amount of moisture in the air that did get trapped in there. Like i said probably dumb luck
@tonyd4346 Рік тому
I don’t use those line sets for that reason! Ridiculous and shouldn’t be sold!
@replyhere590 Рік тому
Would using caulk with acetic acid in it (the vinegar smell!) be a problem--most acids react with Cu?
@elijoabruiz552 2 роки тому
The problem with flares is that people are so afraid of leaks that they tend to over tight the flares
@bwcklein 2 роки тому
gotta follow that manufacturer recommendations and grab a flare torque wrench and stay within the guidelines
@chrisjoss9592 2 роки тому
@@bwcklein i find it useless if you have no leaks at over 300 psi for 15 mins
@coldfinger459sub0 2 роки тому
It does not matter how perfect the flare is and the connection and the torque. It’s still just a mechanical connection of two different materials one copper on brass they both expand and contract at slightly different rates and every time it goes through a heating and cooling cycle and the temperature fluctuates both mechanical connections slightly expand and contract in literally rub and fatigue over time. So a certain percentage of perfect flares still failed no matter what it’s a physics thing. Unless someone invents a material and method that can attach to physical parts under friction pressure that are going to go through expansion and contraction cycles that defies the laws of physics there’s always going to be flare Leaks It’s called cutting out the flares and Silver Brazing. Lol no more leaks
@thejnelson88 2 роки тому
You mean the torque system of a 6ft cheater pipe on a adjustable is not the prefered method?
@FrostHVAC 2 роки тому
I used to install minisplits, and all we did was tightened it enough. Checked for leaks, and tightened down a bit more if it was loose. Im not sure how people struggle with that, torque wrenches are nice, but you can live without them, jus havin them makes it super easy
@mikechiodetti4482 Рік тому
Nice job! You must have the right tools for the job. I like that vacuum pump.
@cetewayotyson9889 2 роки тому
Love this kid so professional proud to be in the same industry with ya little brother
@twolfe4295 2 роки тому
One interesting thought....I would like to see an episode where you do this kind of work with no high tech instruments. Years ago we had no fancy gauges, hoses, vacuum pumps, etc. In spite of a lack of new type tools we were still able to achieve a high success rate in install where many systems remained viable for 20 to 30 years.
@jcarney1987 2 роки тому
There has always been gauges and temp probes for a very long time, before the time of refrigeration. They just weren't on fancy, but still same concept. Micron gauges however were analog and were far less accurate, that I will contest.
@waytospergtherebro 2 роки тому
Anybody who's been eyeballing refrigerant for 30 years can blame their high success rate on delusions of adequacy.
@topfell8277 Рік тому
Still have my analog dial gauges like to use
@mikeclarke3005 Рік тому
with newer refrigerants, higher pressures, saturation levels more specific, sometimes takes more modern tech, but Still do most work with the old style gauges just fine.
@mebdeb1508 Рік тому
The EPA made the job a little harder freon rules. Still pretty easy though. 25k if they catch you letting too much freon into the atmosphere. At least that was the case 30yrs. ago when I was doing HVAC.
@leversforever9748 Рік тому
A gas man here, just wondering what the code is in your area for distance between gas meter and ignition source the internal relief on that gas regulator looks to close to the AC unit could be a problem if it vents.
@BigDan855 Рік тому
Propane guy here. Was wondering the same thing. Normally it’s 10 feet from any source of ignition where I’m from.
@pabloloco7 2 роки тому
Excellent video! Very high production value! Well done. Thank You
@mtsaz100 Рік тому
I get mini split calls (distributor gives customers my name) that would shock you how they were "professionally" installed. I think a lot of guys assume, "its only a mini split" and they ignore or don't know anything about the unique challenges they pose. #1 you have to have a torque wrench. Most guys dont. #2 you have to have a flare tool- most guys dont. #3 you have to use nylog, most guys dont. AND what I do- if one leaked- I use the flare-tite washers and I have never had a callback for a leak. You probably haven't either. great video--great instruction. One more thing I do- I cut the lineset and braze it. Most guys just leave a huge coil stashed behind which creates oil traps (minor issue on mini splits) but looks really ugly.
@ciclista4116 Рік тому
I agree. And from what I've read, if you DO leave the lineset long, you should leave the coiled extra horizontal, not vertical, to avoid said oil traps.
@paulb4496 2 роки тому
Indoor coils are rated for a lot less pressure than the rest of the system. Please check manufacturers maximum test pressure ...remember you are finding a leak..not causing one.
@shadowolfgaming6578 2 роки тому
Some mini split manufacturers list for 600psi test pressure I think
@greg042 2 роки тому
@@shadowolfgaming6578 correct although I think it is 500PSI, not 600.
@virtual_bomber5698 Рік тому
Most mini splits are heat pumps, both coils are rated for high pressure.
@scottlaferriere4499 Рік тому
When you first arrived you stated you had 50 psi of refrigerant pressure you then added nitrogen pressure on top of that to find your leak. After finding your leak you then blew the refrigerant and nitrogen charge to atmosphere which is illegal as you intentionally vented refrigerant. What you should’ve done first before adding nitrogen is with soap bubbles or a refrigerant leak detector and checked for leaks that way first. You may have been able to just tighten the flare and recharge. Possibly.
@stoneyswolf 3 місяці тому
Depends on what refrigerant it is not all refrigerants are illegal to let out into the atmosphere.
@DutchRamone 8 днів тому
50 psi would definitely be considered “trace” levels of R410 a… which if you add nitrogen for leak detection, is federally compliant to vent.
@hituw2x4 3 години тому
Innocent until proven guilty. Maybe he recovered refrig combined with nitrogen but didn't film it. At no point in the video did he dump the initial test charge, only the second test charge. Merica!
@ducharmehvactraining925 2 роки тому
nice job and great tools. I would question whether the flare nuts came with the line set or were attached to the unit by the manufacturer.
@KastoriaFL 8 місяців тому
Your an excellent AC Tech who takes pride in their job! Keep up the good work.
@sprockkets 2 роки тому
In case you all are wondering, the person who did the original install was him. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iXOCi5-Yjn-X0Ww.html I see you use a torque wrench now lol, so you learned your lesson :D You also shouldn't reuse a flare - leave yourself some slack when you install a mini split.
@dorightal4965 Рік тому
After 50 yrs in aircraft maintenance, torque measurements have been the milk on my cereal for a long time. The proper placement of a Crowfoot on the wrench should be 90 degrees to the torque wrench. As you used yours on the flare nut, the actual torque on the nut would be higher than the value set in the wrench due to the slightly longer arm. It's only about an additional inch, and since you set it to the low side, you probably did not exceed the max allowed. There is a formula for getting the correct torque value when using an extended arm, in case you need it. It's in all the basic airman's maintenance manuals, but I don't remember it.
@mhadlock78 Рік тому
Those wrenches do not use "crowfoots" in the traditional sense. They come with those adapters and are calibrated for them. No need to compensate for them.
@oldtimefarmboy617 Рік тому
Not all industry specific tools work the same.
@bruciebunddles65 2 роки тому
You have some of the nicest tools ive seen. Good job sir
@digital-experiance2390 Рік тому
Thank you for the video. It is always nice to watch a pro at work,
@pipeboy98 Рік тому
you got lucky...i always seem to find the ones in the high wall indoor head that the owner wanted no visible equipment lines so they are all buried in the wall and the electric is so fricken tight that you can't tip the unit away from the wall let alone lift it up and off that's right above the white carpeting and the furniture item that is too heavy/delicate to move. but that's just my luck!...you apparently don't have the same luck.
@josephsantos7047 2 роки тому
Its a leak probably. Main reason for us, sad part is you can torque it to spec and it still leaks
@jsmitty4675 2 роки тому
Brother you anit never lie the torque wrench set is cool but not effective
@mitchdenner9743 2 роки тому
Then your flare is malformed.
@MrCmgl1 2 роки тому
If have the proper flare tool made for R410A flares and use nylog and torque properly, then you are good to go. Like Zac said, you need to pressure check with pressure. We always pressure check with nitrogen to 500 psi, per manufacture specs.
@cesarmoore7996 2 роки тому
If it still leaks you are doing something wrong
@rockystaatz521 Рік тому
Glad to see this. I have been looking at them but for heat and that’s showing that like my current system nobody wants to touch them
@zahedaminullah6934 2 роки тому
Great camera views and good work as always 👏
@jsmitty4675 2 роки тому
I am 100 percent a soap bubble man I do not use leak detectors or ultra sonic sensors. Just plain old bubbles
@dickgrayson5049 2 роки тому
I find using the leak detectors work great for indoor coils. I’ve found more leaks faster that way, but I confirm with with bubbles. Feels good to see two methods confirming.
@anthony5530 2 роки тому
My H10 will pick up leaks that don’t show with bubbles.
@sethshattuck3652 2 роки тому
Get yourself a flare diameter testing gauge. Any kind of thread sealant/inserts is unnecessary. The mating surface of the male to female flare is the only seal you need. As you tighten, tighten nut, back off the flare and reseat with refrigerant oil. Proper flare making is an art and is too often rushed.
@robertlowrey42 2 роки тому
one of the best out there, love your videos dude. please keep them coming.
@trodriguez362 Рік тому
I am an instructor at a trade school and I like to show my students how to check and run a proper vacuum and not to take my words as gospel but to go out and see how pros in the field ard doing it and to check if what I am teaching them is proper because they have come back to me and have told me some people are putting the micron guage on the vacuum pump so I use your video for them to check it out for themselves. I like to thsnk you for sharing
@larrychristopher9147 Рік тому
Latest in tools, very nice. You do NOT put nylock or any "sealer" on flares. Make a flare w/oil and double check for cracks because a lot of tubing is crap. A little oil on both sides of flare is all you need if done right
@mikeman400 Рік тому
Just so you know, Nylog is not a sealer it is a highly viscous oil based product designed specifically for this purpose. It is recommend by many of the manufactures. Kinda similar to motor honey in consistency. (bad image I know but it is the only thing I can think of like this) It never dries and is safe to to get in the compressor oil. You are correct in saying you shouldn't use a sealer and to check for cracks and or bad flares. Those can be a real problem. But Nylog is not a sealer in the traditional sense. Check it out, it's cool stuff. Here is a video I watched about it back. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iJF4q42km2x22mg.html Sure it is from the manufacturer, but I have used the stuff and it pretty much how they show it.
@larrychristopher9147 Рік тому
@@mikeman400 have been retired awhile, had not heard of this product, only leak lock (blue thread sealer) thanks for update!
@DanO181919 2 роки тому
Can’t believe you don’t have a work shop at your house instead of renting a storage building.
@cameronprice931 2 роки тому
We have a mini storage too but also a big shop but it’s many miles away from the city we are normally working in
@johnvirginia7238 2 роки тому
Plus you get insurance included in the storage unit And you can rent extra parking spots too. I’ve been thinking about getting a storage unit and an extra parking spot
@seccat Рік тому
Great hands-on profession to get into. No DIYers because of the equipment. No dirt, grease or 💩.
@MarcoGonzalez-bi6cg Рік тому
Nice video thanks can’t wait to start doing Hvac as well i replace Brocken glass and installs new windows and took some Hvac classes but I am learning more watching videos than “school”
@drycreek3204 Рік тому
A 3/4” hose that reduces down to 1/4" is basically a 1/4" hose. Why don't you use the micron gauge on the SMAN?
@garykearney9583 Рік тому
Yep, from a 1/2” port on the vac pump… 🤣
@scrambler350 2 роки тому
I wish they would just design these things to be brazed-in and knock it off with the 3rd World/DIY flare crap.
@twisted8956 2 роки тому
Completely agree freakin joke
@fauxque5057 2 роки тому
Brazing ruins the whole DIY aspect
@scrambler350 2 роки тому
@@fauxque5057 Exactly; let professionals install equipment. At least on the legitimate brands - leave the Chinese junk to the weekend warriors - let them do whatever and we can laugh at them when they want us to fix their hack jobs.
@Muppetkeeper Рік тому
What a great, calm and informative video, cheers.
@TheRealCheckmate 8 місяців тому
Nothing beats a guy with the right equipment!
@stephanmetph 2 роки тому
Always remove the flares on the inside unit and braze it directly. For the outside unit use a braze adapter for mini splits. U will never have leakes again
@snpdg1 2 роки тому
Company doesnt honor garantie if u cut the flate down … dont do that even if its the right thing to do we know
@DoctorWEBB Рік тому
Yeah ok.. but my calculations are warning of the now hugely increased chances... of having a customers house catch fire & the heat wasn't the issue they requested to get fixed. Now they will have to live in your pad. Goodbye shitting with the door open. Talking about purge rags & using the dishwasher to clean split system filters like a dish dishlex mad scientist ripped on the huffing Freon & dreaming of all the secret spots on jobs you definitely sneaky lemonade spilled on. And got away the perfect eee ok beter double shake in high stakes no cakes underhouse
@fritzmiller9792 2 роки тому
I missed where he first evacuated any refrigerant, simply added nitrogen and then vented it. What did I miss?
@ashforkdan Рік тому
It all leaked out
@davidvalentine9767 2 роки тому
Boy, do I wish you were closer to Greensboro, NC! Your professionalism and attention to detail is so impressive! I have a 40 year old Trane 1200 I will be replacing in the spring. My electrician/HVAC guy is recommending changing to a heat pump as it is only a little bit more money. Air handler is in a very large and accessible attic. All of the air supply line are very robust and actually over engineered, so no need to change. Would love to hear your suggestions on type / brand of heat pump, rough idea of possible costs, things I should look out for. Your help would be appreciated , love the channel!
@wbriggs111 Рік тому
I only had 1 problem with flares and it was a factory done flare. The 3/8" flare was made ultra thin and worked for 1 week then it blew out. I check all flares now because it is very embarrassing having a leak .
@realestateservicessaleshea99 2 роки тому
If you make a quality flare you don't need nyloginski, flare 101 a little ref oil on the back of the nut where it spins you'll be good to go! (CLEAN) The manuals tell you the minimum/maximum test pressure. I CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL THE O-RING TRASH TO START LEAKING!!!😂😂 🍺🍺🍺🥃🥃🎯🏌🏻♀️ Stay safe. Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!
@stephenkeith1362 2 роки тому
Nylog voids warranty on Mitsubishi mini splits.. i agree with u, ive always used refer oil as well. An orbital flaring tool is super useful as well.
@oldtimefarmboy617 Рік тому
I would like to know the reason why any loss of pressure is considered acceptable. If the pressure drop is due to even a very very slight leak, it is still a leak, and eventually the system will need to be recharged.
@GoatZilla Рік тому
I'd assume because not every loss of pressure is actually a leak, and to get a full proper test would take a *really* long time. So you go for a reasonable confidence level given the time available.
@scottweisel3640 Рік тому
The brand I am familiar with have an unacceptable amount of indoor coil failures. Hopefully, their latest “new and improved” copper will finally fix the problem. This will be their third try to get it right. Great video on proper flaring.
@bradenwuesthoff5639 Рік тому
Mr cool?
@keithwiebe1787 Рік тому
Yes, why not mention the brand?
@phlogistanjones2722 8 місяців тому
Very well explained and everything was made very clear. Also VERY well organized with your tools sir. KUDOS! Thanks.
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