3 Body Problem Season One: QUESTIONS ANSWERED
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Місяць томуWhy were the Sophon’s targeting scientists and sabotaging the world's particle accelerators? And why did they reveal the sophons to humanity? What exactly is the staircase project? Reguarding Ye Wenjie’s plan of using the sun as an amplifier... Why was her superior horrified and upset at the idea of shooting a signal towards the sun? Why was Saul chosen over everyone else to be a Wallfacer? What was the point of the 3 Body Problem virtual reality game? Why use nanofiber to attack Judgement Day? Why didn't the San Ti know humans can lie?
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3 Body Problem is an upcoming science fiction television series created by David Benioff, D. B. Weiss and Alexander Woo based on the novel of the same name by Liu Cixin. The series is expected to premiere on Netflix on March 21, 2024. Ye Wenjie is an astrophysicist who saw her father brutally murdered during the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Later, she was conscripted by the military because of her scientific background and sent to a secret radar base in a remote region of China. Her fateful decision in the 1960s echoes across space and time to a group of scientists in the present day, forcing them to face humanity's greatest threat.
Jovan Adepo as Saul Durand
John Bradley as Jack Rooney
Liam Cunningham as Thomas Wade
Rosalind Chao as Ye Wenjie (present day)
Eiza González as Auggie Salazar
Jess Hong as Jin Cheng
Marlo Kelly as Tatiana
Jonathan Pryce as Mike Evans (present day)
Eve Ridley as Follower
Ben Schnetzer as young Mike Evans
Alex Sharp as Will Downing
Sea Shimooka as Sophon
Zine Tseng as young Ye Wenjie
Saamer Usmani as Raj Varma
Benedict Wong as Da Shi
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@Shullf2011 5 днів тому
If the aliens can make ai headsets on earth then why not just make a robot army? If the dark forest idea is so important then why didn’t she just post it to Wikileaks and tell everyone?
@mr_clean91 Місяць тому
My understanding is that while the Trisolarans had access to Human media and literature, it was largely incomprehensible to them. They couldn’t understand the concept of deception until it was explained to them very simply. Due to their telepathic communication, separating thoughts from language is completely unnatural for them.
@alexchen7729 Місяць тому
This is so stupid. Deception is used by vast numbers of organisms on our planet. It’s a truly simple concept that must be in use throughout any ecosystem so to think they wouldn’t understand it is silly.
@Emanon... 17 днів тому
They're not telepathic. Merely communicating through either visual or pheromonic mediums where you can't hide any ulterior motive. Otherwise, how would "the pacifist" be allowed to exist and communicate independently if they're a telepathic near-hivemind as some people suspect? Imagine you glow red when you're happy. Blue when you're angry and so forth... Very hard to be willfully deceptive, no?
@jamesb6396 16 днів тому
The show immediately ruined the concept. They actively participate and organize deception. "The pacifist" was willing to deceive his people. The VR game is no different from the story book. It's a false experience to illuminate a lesson to be learned. They deceive humans about how they look. They also kill people to deceive the rest of the humans. They are clearly perfectly capable of deception.
@alexr7595 Місяць тому
Mike Evans did not chat with aliens for decades, at least not in the show. They explicitly mention that the sofons only made their way to earth months ago. That’s why the attacks on science are recent. Before that, Evans communication with the aliens would be very slow and inefficient. So I think it makes sense.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
The show states they have been in contact since before Ye is taken aboard Judgment Day in 1984.
@alexr7595 Місяць тому
@@roadtotarvalon , yes, but before sofons that contact boils down to “send a message, then wait for 8 years to receive the response”.
@chrisfraser5088 Місяць тому
I definitely think this is what the writers intended. (That the “faster than light” communication has only been going on for mere months). Unfortunately, they complicated that by clearly stating that Evans had been in contact with them for decades. I’m just assuming that the original communication wasn’t meant to be instantaneous, and that Evans only started having actual conversations with them since the sophons arrived on Earth. It’s the only way it makes any sense, they just didn’t make it clear. 🤷♂️ Just how I see it.
@alexr7595 Місяць тому
@@roadtotarvalon , if Evans could talk to trisolarians for decade without 8 year delay, there would be no need for sofons. Because that would mean they had ftl communication already. But he didn’t. That’s why the attacks of science are recent, that’s why the way Evans talks to them very much suggests that they are just getting to know each other.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
@@alexr7595 I still think it's a stretch to believe it didn't come up in the 40 years of communication 😆 I'm not trying to rip on the show. Just a touch unbelievable imo 💜
@ucnguyen6375 Місяць тому
Yang Weining in the Netflix show definitely tried to steal Ye Wenji idea, not protecting her. If he was aware of the political implication of that plan then why didn’t he tell her to stop immediately. He also went behind her back to present the plan to their boss, the expression on Ye’s face when finding that out tells me that it is anything but grateful. Even after being shut down by the boss, Netflix Yang still continued arguing for approval, that is not something you do because you want to help or protect other people. And finally, in the behind the scene video, the writer for this show called this particular scene a betrayal that lead Ye Wenji to betray humanity in turn.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
Yeah. I didn't interpret it that way 🤷🏼♀️ maybe I'm too connected to the books 🩷
@roastpork5437 Місяць тому
I also feel it's more of a scene of betrayal. Young Ye Wenjie in Netflix has been constantly betrayed and not a single person cared about her, that led to her decision to contact San-Ti. It makes narrative sense within the show itself.@@roadtotarvalon
@PurpleAlize Місяць тому
She was also betrayed by the first soldier with the English book.
@majorsten 26 днів тому
I think he was mostly protecting her hence showing him helping her secretly contacting the scientist in California on her behalf. She replied to the santi after the scene where the girl who killed her father wouldn’t repent and said she would do it over again. It could have been a progression of betrayals but making Yang the main reason seems to be strange. However if the writer said it’s the reason then who am I to argue😅
@ucnguyen6375 26 днів тому
@@majorsten Yang is listed as one of the many betrayal that led to her pushing the button in this video at 0:50 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/onx8iKytnWuYpYE.html
@earthmoon003 Місяць тому
Great video. It clarified a few things from season one. Im really hoping we get a second season soon!!!
@rickstarwars Місяць тому
Definitely think the Einstein joke was a cypher towards a way to defeat the aliens and they knew that. Thats why Saul was chosen at the end… because his mind holds the clue.
@nenaleyla Місяць тому
Can you help me with that joke, cause i dont understand it? In video is explained that it has someting with Dark forest and being hidden from others to keep safety. I understood it as people on Earth should also hide from Santi. But how can they hide when they already sent Earths locations to San-ti?
@woodheadz Місяць тому
@@nenaleylaThis part is different than the book. Ye said something different to Logi (Saul) in the book. But I'm sure this joke would lead to the dark forest theory just the same as the part in book does. Don't search the dark forest theory from internet, it would be great fun to keep it fresh until you learn it from the book or the season 2( I hope)
@seraeggobutterworth5247 Місяць тому
@@nenaleyla The two books Ye is looking at right before she calls Saul are important, I think. I’ve only made it through the Netflix series and the first book so far, but if you’re familiar with Fermi’s Paradox and you understand some basic game theory, it suggests a way-probably the only way-to fend off the San Ti. Part of what Ye is trying to convey to Saul with the “joke” is that he needs to consider the problem in terms of game theory.
@nirajnakhale3240 Місяць тому
@@nenaleyla Dark forest is a cosmic sociology concept which means to survive in this vast universe staying silently (in dark) is important .. just like to stay peaceful in heavens being silent was required from Einstein …. Ye wanted to give Saul a “deterrent” solution of Santi problem .. which means a third higher intellectual species will destroy earth and with it both human and santi existence if Santi didn’t stay away from earth (Saul will threaten to share earths coordinate using Sun as reflector) .. hope you get it .. let me know if you have any further questions ..
@jasonexperience8970 Місяць тому
@@nenaleyla it also means that there are other alliens besides the santi will harm u if u made yourself known.
@johnpetit4430 Місяць тому
So the stories generated by the San Ti seem to give clues as to what type of creature they are: 1. They can desiccate and rehydrate 2. They can retain memory during dormancy 3. Save one and “they all survive” - this may point to a sexless organism 4. The massive computer in the Turing episode points to a strong collective connection - the coordinated bit switching - points to a collective organism 5. They do not tolerate lying - collective organism would not tolerate ‘lying’ from any individual ‘unit’ - the whole is what needs to be saved 6. The constant chaos on the planet would not be conducive to larger multi cellular organisms. A collective organism could take a lot of forms. Here on earth the organism that fits all this to a tee is a slime mold - which works as a collective 'brain'. Just guessing...
@PurpleAlize Місяць тому
Love your input!!! A question I do have regarding the lying, or deceit element. If we assume these San Ti communicate through thoughts, wouldn't the collective already be aware of the first message? But it seemed that it was hidden by an unknown entity, warning her of what could happen if they haven't received it first. Unsure if I am making sense. I suppose San Ti are able to lie just never assumed the humans were capable of such.
@EroticOnion23 Місяць тому
@@PurpleAlize they can read each other's minds, lying would be pointless, in fact it would be evolutionarily disadvantageous for them to evolve lying
@PurpleAlize Місяць тому
@@EroticOnion23 sorry for not getting my point across. Isn't it weird that the first contact with Ye was a warning? Stating that if another received the message it would destroy her world? Why warn if they so call have a mindhive?
@EroticOnion23 Місяць тому
@@PurpleAlize I was told that they don't have a "hivemind" per say. They have their own thoughts, but they can all read each other's minds when communicating. So maybe that 1st alien was alone and didn't communicate with anyone else yet, or it knew it was pointless but tried to warn anyway to make it harder to pinpoint earth's location with just 1 message...but with the 2nd message sent by Ye they knew about earth for sure.
@PurpleAlize Місяць тому
@@EroticOnion23 🤩
@Peterwbsf1 Місяць тому
Good summary but only one no real explanation of something that was not clear in Season 1. The story at the grave was clearly important. It was good to hear more about that. I am curious about… - the San Ti’s ability to dry out and the hydrate. Does this infer they are insects? Could this mean calling humans bugs is not a negative? - if the San Ti don’t understand understand lies and storytelling how did they create the VR game? It is all a fabrication that hides who they really are.
@akeelyaqub2538 28 днів тому
The San ti had the help of humans to create the game. The San ti cant themselves lie but they can do some decietful actions. If you asked them about the intentions of such actions they'd tell the truth. The spin off book actually describes the San ti as the size of bugs so the "you are bugs" is more likely a projection of their own feelins of inferiority.
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
Swear like 90% of the things people are complaining about not understanding or claiming to be plot holes in the show and the books are explained clearly in the show and books. The show and books aren’t dumb, you are.
@javiervidal366 Місяць тому
The other reason for the staircase project was the advanced technological innovations it would help create (cryogenics as one example).
@DonHbankz Місяць тому
About the lying question I took it as the sophon has only been on earth for a couple of months so while they have been communicating it’s takes around 8 years for a reply so they used that time wisely. Now that the sophon has enabled instantaneous communication Mike is now telling it stories and other mundane things
@ChiliJ Місяць тому
Still, they have been observing everything humans have been doing and would surely have noticed our capacity for deception.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
No, communication is instant due to the multi dimensional nature of the sophon. Traveling towards earth however took 4 years as it travelled through our 3D dimension at the speed of light and he San Ti homeworld is 4 lightyears away.
@k-em4jp Місяць тому
Please answer more!!!💃🏻 this was amazing
@cindym5896 Місяць тому
Thnku for explainin the sun n flag concept further.
@lwlewis007 Місяць тому
If the Sophons could implant countdown timers into everyone’s visible range, why don’t they just do that to the Wallfacers and drive them mad? Furthermore, if the Sophons are able to scramble any technology, why not just break everyone’s computers like an EMP and set us back to the early industrial age? Anyone know the answers to these?
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
They cant scramble technology, that scene was dumb and they cant be everywhere at once to constantly be messing with wallfacers. They’re just very very fast and contrary to what everyone seems to think, they dont have some maxed out illusion stats. Their illusion potential is not unlimited and all powerful. The goal of the sophons is to learn everything about earth, keep disrupting particle accelerators and listen to everyones plans. They can only do one thing at once.
@enadegheeghaghe6369 20 днів тому
I reckon that runs the risk of giving humans 400 years to figure out a way to develop tech that is immune to the Sophons. Also, there are substances that can block or at least interfere with protons. But my guess is that the Sophons are not all powerful the way people imagine. They could only be in one place at a time for example. They probably also have Power requirements that limit their use. The whole covering the sky thing wasn't done using the Sophons computing power per se. It was just the effect of unfolding the Sophon in higher dimensions
@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194 Місяць тому
One thing that this series tackles is individualism, free will, and determinism. Saul is Luo Ji of the book.
@eanarchygle Місяць тому
Stopped prior to the spoiler bits. Thanks for the warnings and can’t wait to hear the rest once I finish the books. EXCELLENT breakdown 🔥🔥
@mrtommy8875 Місяць тому
The San Ti are tiny like a Tardigrade. It’s how they can dehydrate and work on protons. They’d also get squished in a real fight with humans.
@mrhaze000 23 дні тому
Yea
@enadegheeghaghe6369 20 днів тому
The size difference between Tardigrades and protons is massive. It's like comparing a chicken egg with the size of our solar system. There is no way a creature the size of a Tardigrade can even see much less work on a proton. They told us how they created the Sophons. They unfolded the photon in higher dimensions making the proton as large as a planet.
@2midgetsinatrenchcoat599 Місяць тому
To be clear, nothing ‘breaks’ the laws of physics, only our comprehension of physics.
@En_theo Місяць тому
That's a conveniently practical self-definition. It's like saying "I can never be wrong". In practice, we don't often see scientists admitting the limit of what they "know" (even if it's in the books), they most often say "it's impossible".
@2midgetsinatrenchcoat599 Місяць тому
@@En_theo that doesn’t change my statement.
@BRANDRUMZ 23 дні тому
@@En_theoTo be fair, that’s basically what *checks notes* 2MidgetsinaTrenchcoat599 is saying…
@En_theo Місяць тому
The first time the Aliens answer to Ye Wenji, how did they know to already write in Mandarin ? There was zero explanation for that and none seem to wonder why.
@Nazlikestoread 29 днів тому
…. The aliens answer in code/numbers, the wow! signal. This is the signal that the people in the states weren’t able to decode, but ye decoded it. The San-ti didn’t send the message in mandarin 😂
@chrisfraser5088 Місяць тому
Great video, Amber 👍
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
Thanks for watching 💜
@willp1979 Місяць тому
Don’t forget Wade wants to go to Wimbledon Tennis once a year to when he is defrosted- I approve!!
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
Tennis is the worlds 3rd most boring sport, right after Golf and Soccer
@enadegheeghaghe6369 20 днів тому
@@yankeesrule587yet it still has tens of millions of fans. What's your point?
@lfyoung Місяць тому
I’m just starting the first book. But I loved season one and can’t wait to see more. I hope each season will jump one hundred years ahead each season. Then they can get different actors and show us whats going on in that century. I really liked how they show towards the end of season one that the aliens don’t understand certain things because they are a hive mind species. I feel that most people want to believe aliens think like us. I’m betting it’s vastly different and even our stories movies and tv shows that are meant for entertainment. Might be unable for them to understand or even get.
@chrislui571 Місяць тому
Trust me, about the time jump 😅 you need to buckle up 😁
@snowshock8958 Місяць тому
If they get 4 seasons? They probably try to give us a bigger cast.
@michaeldeierhoi4096 Місяць тому
@@snowshock8958 It is planned as 3 seasons.
@sildarmillion 23 дні тому
That crucial plot point of the San Ti not knowing about lying for decades really threw me off the whole show (and I haven't read the books, so I couldn't make any sense of it).
@enoch7564 Місяць тому
In regards to the Einstein joke, an Einstein bust can be seen in the scene with the two books, so it could also be a hint for saul to look in those books. The books themselves could be helpful, but they could also contain notes or whatever other tips that ye wenjie could have left.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
This definitely crossed my mind but didn't she give it to Jin?
@edgbarra Місяць тому
@@roadtotarvalon she said Jin should take it but she didn't
@evil_duck6405 Місяць тому
I was mindblown when i read the novels, now i can see there are many plot holes. If the santi wanted to kill Saul, why couldnt they easily do it with the sophons. They disrupted wade's flight, they can make magical numbers appear to anyone ffs, they even made the whole sky flicker! Also, using the micro threads for destroying judgementday ship to extract the hard drives seems like a very stupid idea. With all the explosions happening in the ship, the hard drive was only saved by the writer's plot armour.
@RomaInvicta202 Місяць тому
Sophons are really small, very advanced computers; not a weapon; They did not have ANY physical presence on Earth at that time, that's why they had to rely on people like Tatiana to do thei dirty work
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
Agreed, they can create illusions so they could easily create an illusion causing Saul's death, nothing as stupid as an assassin required.
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
Did you really read the novels? Because the trisolarans try to kill Juoh Li in that to and dont use sophons to do it, because sophons cant do it. The book explains their limits and the show does to. Illusions cant kill people and the sky blinking was just sophon expanding its size to cover it. You most definitely didnt read the novels because the nano threads destroying judgement day was done in the exact same way in them to.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@akeelyaqub2538 Of course illusions can kill people, you lack imagination and in a far more assured way than having it depend on something as risky as an assassin. As a matter of fact they could just follow Saul with the Sophon and then send the assassin to walk up to him while rendering the assassion invisible to Saul and those around him, hold gun to the temple and pull the trigger and let the assassin walk away still invisible to those in the area until he was actually out of range. No record, no trace, 100% full proof. Yes, the sky flickering was basically a trick with background radiation not visible to the naked eye for all the world to see, but indeed caused by the sophon sheen enveloping the earth. "You most definitely didnt read the novels because the nano threads destroying judgement day was done in the exact same way in them to." The destruction of Judgment Day happened like that in the book, but it was a stupid scenario,but yes, it matched the book. Funny difference between Chinese and Netflix adaptation. On Chinese adaptation the ship only has the foulest criminals on board (make their deaths acceptable). On Netflix they were all just cute little families.
@pattychurra Місяць тому
@@voiceover2191 that's right, like when Saul walked outside after refusing the wall-watcher role, instead of having a sniper shoot him while he was wearing bullet-proof clothing (which they would know he was wearing), wouldn't it have been easier to plant the illusion in his mind of an empty road which was actually full of oncoming traffic and kill him that way, for example? or have him walk off a high place via an illusion? or drive him crazy like they did all the other scientists by planting visions in his mind, at least?
@azlandavid8094 Місяць тому
So a sophon is a multidimensional proton and protons have a positive charge, the solution would be to have a negatively charged barrier.
@EroticOnion23 Місяць тому
Yea but can't the sophon just go through the gap between the nucleus and electron(s)?...
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
It was not your average proton, but a multi dimensional artefact
@hellogroovier Місяць тому
Can anyone please explain to me : If San Ti cannot lie, and they cannot hide their intention, as they cannot understand how the wolf can hide his intention from little riding hood, when the first San Ti replies " Do not respond" to YeWenJie, how does other San Ti not notice?
@akatsuki2793 Місяць тому
They did lie. In the show they literally say you see what we want you to see. When they call humanity bugs
@akatsuki2793 Місяць тому
& the San Ti that found the original signal. Was caught by other aliens.
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
They did notice. The reason he said if you reply we’ll come is because they would be able to find earth based on the time it takes them to recieve a reply. Wenjies first message could have been sent from 4 or 400 light years away, the san ti would never know but if they send one in earths direction, they could deduce its location based on how long it takes for a response. He was punished for sending the warning by being forcefully kept alive long enough to watch earth be annihilated.
@alveolate Місяць тому
im skipping the s2/book2 spoilers as a non book reader... but wow, now that you mention it, the whole hang-up about lying does come across as a pretty flawed premise. i'd go so far to say that even the presumption that the san-ti are telepathic and therefore all communication is truthful... can be easily refuted. at the very least, even obligate telepaths can attempt to withhold information by avoiding contact with it. the desire to avoid the truth and/or manipulate it... that comes from interpretation, rather than some sort of innate desire to lie, which doesn't require the species to be non-telepathic. can't help but wonder if this is one of those unfortunate D&D edits to 'subvert expectations' like they so infamously did with GoT... then again, like you said, maybe it is simply to hide a bigger plot reveal for s2. if so, i sincerely wish they do write an explanation for this whole san-ti meltdown over "lying" -- perhaps the san-ti either were familiar with the concept after all and schemed this whole pretense just to liquidate the ETO/evans. maybe it's even more nuanced... they were not very familiar with "lying" or at least not to the extent that humans do, and really only learnt about it from earth intel, which led them to formulate this elaborate plan to lie to us (and the ETO/evans). there's definitely some wiggle room to write this change in a satisfying way... if D&D wanted to. really need more of these changes from book that were significant... very curious just what else D&D thought necessary to rewrite. whether it's to suit the way they are adapting the books over X seasons, or just because they're egomaniacs with no respect... remains to be seen, i guess!
@romagirk5927 Місяць тому
Great video,thank you for the spoiler warning
@ergohash2517 Місяць тому
Great video. I have a few questions of my as well (although i haent watched the last minutes of this video because of spoilers, so my question are merely based on S1): 1) In the first episode the guy wrote "I still see it" in blood on the walls, even though he gauged his eyes out. I assumed that the countdown was trasmitted to the eye's retina. But if he saw it even after taking out his eyes out does it mean that the countdown was beamed directly to the brain? 2) About Will. The longer i think about the plan of having a "man on the inside" the less i like it. How was Will supposed to transmit any information he finds back to humans? Or are they expecting him to have freedom walking around SanTi's ship and cause some sabotage? thats silly, wouldnt SanTi just pick up the brain , make experiments on it to learn more about human psyche and then throw it in the garbage? its like a free present for the aliens. If i was SanTi i wouldnt allow the resurrected Will any freedom on their ship. 3) About Saul. That morning was he picked by UN first to be the wallfacer and THEN got attacked by the self-driving cars? Or was he first attacked by self-driving cars and only after that the UN decided to pick him as the wallfacer? I wodner which came first. I assumed that he was picked by the UN that morning, Sophons discovered it and launched an attack on him. But maybe he was picked specifically because SanTi tried to kill him after the converstion with Ye Wenjie and saw him dangerous.....
@atohms Місяць тому
1. Yes the ‘vr’ headset interconnects with the brain. That’s why they also feel the cold & the sand. 2. Will’s brain was send to probe them but also to have an inside person, that might relay some info…more on that in season 2. 3. Saul became a wallfacer because of the assasination attempt with the autonomous cars. Why? Because he has destructive info delivered by Wen Ye, remember the joke that wasn’t a joke? In a nutshell the aliens trying to kill him, must means he is a threat to them & therefore he becomes a wallfacer.
@ergohash2517 Місяць тому
@@atohmsaha. i see. thanks. But about 1. Its never implied that this dead scientist ever had the vr headset, it seems like he only had the coundown in his vision (same as Auggie, she never used the vr headset but still got the countdown). but whatever, its probably nitpicking whether it is only in the eyes or the brain.
@atohms Місяць тому
@@ergohash2517 the countdowns are the sophons playng tricks with them, just like the blinking universe. Sorry got that wrong but The VR headset is indeed a recruitment tool.
@PurpleAlize Місяць тому
1) he has great handwriting for someone who has his eyes gorged - I think he truly believed he had managed to stop the timer by cancelling a project (like Auggy) but it didn't work, hence the writing on the call then took his eyes out. But yes, I believe the brain neurons were manipulated
@jamesishmaelwilder8597 14 днів тому
I think it’s easy for us, as people who understand lying, to not get how ‘humans lie’ could ever be a revelation to a species that has had access to all of our media for decades. But maybe the san ti are like us in the way that if we don’t know to look for something, we often don’t see it. They don’t lie; they can’t Maybe they needed it explicitly explained to them for them to fully understand it.
@michaelebert9163 Місяць тому
Been re-reading the books after watching the show, to see if some of my memories of the book were through rose colored glasses. I feel like the show did actually improve on the pacing. Much of the book spells everything out fairly clearly and in an order that creates little suspense. I can understand that clarity was pretty important in such a complex book story, but I do like the mystery the show creates with its approach. Scenes like the nano-fiber/ship idea in the book seems to come out of no where with little back story or hint as to why that idea would even occur to anyone as the best solution. When re-reading the book, It definitely felt like the story wanted that scene so it jumped through a lot of hoops to get there. So both show and book sort of fail to really sell this whole idea. I do wish the show had explained the importance of the nano-fiber tech more, for applications such as a space elevator, rather than just "These fiber cut things". Characters were definitely more interesting in the show, as the book characters were amazingly undeveloped and flat personality wise. Yes there were strange mix-mash of characters, but that is typical in these sorts of story adaptations. Ye Wenjie was the best developed character in the book and probably the show also, though she was more evil in the book. I think the show nailed all the VR scenes. They were exactly like the book, and just as fun.
@dominicijavier1575 Місяць тому
yeah I don't get how the nano fiber wires were the best idea. wasn't the whole point is to get the drive, hell they didn't even know if it was a drive at all or how big, and any information from the ship. so why slice the whole ship into pieces? could have destroyed data they desperately needed. seemed stupid.
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
@@dominicijavier1575the book explains that the cut would be so precise that even if it cut the data it would be 99.99% still readable.
@Emanon... 17 днів тому
The first book really messed me up. The initial characters are named Yang Dong, Ding, Wang and Chang (and I might be mixing them up again tbh). I mean, come on... (!) Imagine a book where all the characters are named Bill, Phil, Will, William and Willem.
@roadtotarvalon 17 днів тому
But ASOIAF fans can remember each Aegon, Aemon, & Daemon 😆
@jeremiahwaller1283 Місяць тому
Most theoretical technologies create holes and problems in stories. For example, how does humanity rely on any form of computer or sensor for things like space launch? How does humanity ever get a fleet moving? A sophon could easily alter the necessary binary 0s and 1s in the appropriate code to cause catastrophic failure to any military system reliant on processors. But if the author went down that route, we wouldn't get the teardrop attack, which is an opportunity for one of the most spectacular sci-fi scenes ever adapted for the screen.
@MenRot Місяць тому
How sophon suppose to change binary code.
@zer0ed779 Місяць тому
Thanks for the video. Almost through my second viewing now. Liking it a bit more the second time, but my issues with it still remain, and you have highlighted those problems here. They're rushing through key moments way too fast. Also, the change from the book, finding out humans are liars, is a bridge way too far for me and really cripples the intellect the show is supposed to be portraying. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but the aliens lie, themselves. They're full of inaccuracies, at least in the show. Lastly, the performances are fairly weak from a few key cast members.
@TinMan445 Місяць тому
I’ve gone on a deep dive of spoilers, but the one question I still have is what’s up with Tatiana? She throws Jack against the window like he’s a child instead of a 200lb+ man. Where did she get this insane super strength? And thanks for explaining the joke! Even though she’s holding “the Fermi Paradox” before telling this joke I didn’t connect the dots😅
@bloodaonadeline8346 Місяць тому
yeah that one confused me as well, I’m guessing maybe the sophons are capable of augmenting her capabilities. Cause no way a woman that size could over power a man that large.
@TinMan445 Місяць тому
@@bloodaonadeline8346yea it’s confusing. Clearly the Sophon is scrubbing her from all camera footage, and can even project illusions for everyone to see, but they haven’t shown the ability to enhance humans. She’s a small feminine woman who I believe could be a stealth assassin, but not captain america😂
@edgbarra Місяць тому
It's not that she overpowered him with super strength. He didn't push back at all, he's terrified. We don't know how much training she has but we know she's been part of the organization many many years, so she may be strong enough to push him and, combine with his weight falling, break the window. Sophones can't enhance humans and the Santi gave minimum technology to the humans helping them
@mrmaxin53 Місяць тому
Woman thrives off cereal and milk…manhandled 200lb dude. Must be the milk
@michaeldeierhoi4096 Місяць тому
This series was full of incongruous moments like this one with Jack. I can't recommend this series because there are so many moments that are based on bad science or the story line is just not believable at all. Like for example the grand staircase plan. This should take many, many years to design and build then deploy. Yet it seemed to be done in short order and characters haven't aged at all. And why did the San Tee not already have some idea that humans lie which the narrator in this video said didnt make sense either?! Evans was talking to " My Lord" and it suddenly said it couldn't trust humans anymore and "We're afraid of you"?! That's pretty bad dialog in my opinion. And Evans like a dumb monkey didn't know what to think. I also didn't care for that reference to what presumably were the San Tee who were refered to as "My Lord". And Evans acted like some dumb follower of this cult. It was like a cult with Christian overtones to it.
@youtube1stViewer Місяць тому
Questions: 1. Sending Will’s brain as a spy. Why wouldn’t the Sophon pick up on that idea? Is the entangle Sophon pair back in their planet and not on the fleet of ships? 2. The San-ti allows destruction of Judgement day. So they don’t care about data on the hard drive that will be recovered?
@Cmbvg Місяць тому
In the books, the fleet was listening in via sophons, but Wade sees this as a good thing bc the trisolarans could calculate the probe’s trajectory to intercept it, and they would not be able to resist having a live specimen to examine now that they know a brain is inside. Plus, the trisos did not yet understand the concept of deception, and yun tianming (Will in the show) refused to take an oath of faithfulness to humanity, making it less likely that the trisos would sense any real danger. This is significant, as the books admit outright that “in traditional intelligence warfare” sending a known spy would be “a meaningless gesture”.
@youtube1stViewer Місяць тому
@cmb So Will did not sign the oath could act as a genuine disguise, but technically how did the human all know and agree that it is a spy mission without saying it out loud or put it in writing for the Sophon to see or hear. What metaphor or reverse psychology did the human use to achieve this understanding(of a spy mission) without the Sophon knowing. And what was the plan the human has in getting the spy data from Will back to earth? Was it explained in the book? I didn’t get that from the show.
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
didnt watch the show ? They were trying to decrypt it and said it would take a million years, then the San-Ti just opened it for them so they could see their plan
@youtube1stViewer Місяць тому
@Yank correct, I missed that part. #1 is still not clear to me how the human was able to hide the spy idea without saying it out loud or writing it down. What metaphor or reverse psychology they use for all the human to understand each other through mental only without Sophon reading into the plan? @cmg Same question here, earlier response to you was lost in main thread.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
All good points, it makes no sense
@javiervidal366 Місяць тому
@5:30 in the Netflix series he was definitely Not doing it to protect her. There was no romantic involvement and he was seriously surprised that his superior reacted this way. He wanted the credit. In the book, they had a different relationship but in Netflix version he was looking out for himself.
@edgbarra Місяць тому
Plus it was to show that everyone betrayed her, she lost faith in humanity
@Afslv Місяць тому
who is watching all the games on monitors?
@razjane Місяць тому
How did the gaming headsets get to earth?
@oerthling Місяць тому
Regarding the late realization that humans lie, we need to remember that for the first decades communication was excruciatingly slow (8 years for a quest and reply turn-around. The Sophons arrived on Earth only a short time ago (months to a year - during which the accelerator readings got sabotaged). Also the Sophons are just a single proton. Almost all macro level interaction (recruiting, producing the game and helmets, assassinations) is done by human ETO agents. The San -Ti are prejudiced by their own experience and due to the way their communication works lies are impossible. If humans had contact with an alien species we would assume that they can and do lie, because that's normal to us. So it takes a while for that realization. And for all their capabilities to speed around the world, there's just 2 Sophons and they are quite busy. Even at that speed there's only so much time to get stuff done and between establishing direct communication with the ETO, painting countdowns in eyes and sabotaging accelerator experiments - I don't think they wasted time on entertainment programs. A lot of their information came from Evans and they assumed that everything he said would be truthful - until that fairy tale story taught them otherwise. Then they immediately understood the concept and its consequences.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
Ha ha, they don't speed around the world. they unfold the entire globe in a kind of shield; that's how they could create the illusion of having the universe seem to flicker (actually it was the background radiation but I guess the creators considered that concept too sophisticated for their viewers).
@oerthling Місяць тому
@@voiceover2191 They do speed around the world most of the time. The unfolding is the exception. That's how they paint numbers in their victims vision by exciting light sensitive cells and mess up the scatter patterns of accelerator experiments. And that's how humanity can beat them with scale. Just run enough experiments at the same time and build accelerators on the moon - so they can't be everywhere within the same second.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@oerthling Ah, my bad, thank you for the explanation, very interesting.
@akeelyaqub2538 Місяць тому
Yea no point explaining it. Not understanding it is just a hill shes clearly going to die on considering the amount of comments which explained exactly this were just met with “nah” by her lol.
@kevinle1841 27 днів тому
Oh the San ti end up using the floating brain in space to learn how to lie… this is the end where they take over earth
@roadtotarvalon 27 днів тому
Fun guess....
@ErinCollective Місяць тому
i understood the way the signal being sent to the moon was being reacted to, like people are like that, but i think they were a bit immature because it's a signal of love and peace right? so sending a message of love at the sun / emperor would be a sign of praise not a threat like target practice. i suspect the one who shouted at her didn't understand the science or think that deeply.
@lethanhminh8001 Місяць тому
It's just a political thing. During the culture revolution no one want their actions to be intepreted as treasonous
@ErinCollective Місяць тому
@@lethanhminh8001yes but an alternative person in charge might have seen it as a way to gain clout, and spin it as pro mao, they didn't really establish enough why a message of love would be taken as treasonous
@edgbarra Місяць тому
@@ErinCollectiveyeah but they didn't want to risk it. Although I disagree with the video there the guy tried to protect her. He totally was trying to steal the idea
@kristijan8518 Місяць тому
Why were the San Ti the only species that received the signal?
@adisakditantimedh331 Місяць тому
Because they were the nearest.
@oerthling Місяць тому
The galaxy in this story is ridiculously crowded with tech civilizations. But even so there's not going to be another civilization within only a handful of ly. The signal was also 60s tech and not that strong. Without the solar amplification trick it wouldn't even have made it to Trisolaris. So it's mostly coincidence. But on a wider scale you have a point and it's a hole in the idea of the books about cosmic sociology. Hiding isn't really much of an option for a high tech civilization. Especially if it wants to develop further towards a K2 civilization and make use of its solar energy potential with a Dyson Swarm. Converting the solar output increasingly to infrared "trash" energy will create a tech signature that could be tracked. The books solve this (at least partially) by postulating all sorts of extra dimensional "tech" and dark zones and whatnot.
@Blynat Місяць тому
Communications took eight years round trip before the sophons arrived on earth, merely a couple of months before the start of the series. So they have not been communicating in real-time for decades. They've been communicating in real time for a couple months.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
The sophons would have seen evidence of lies in the weeks / months they were active. You can't tell ne they didn't watch someone on the phone like "I'm on my way driving" when they are putting on their shoes 😂
@oerthling Місяць тому
@@roadtotarvalonThey are very fast, but can't actually be everywhere at the same time. And they were busy, so they wouldn't have spent much time on surveillance of regular people. And their main communication partner didn't lie to them.
@chrislui571 Місяць тому
Evan had real time communication with the sophons. They used quantum physics: superposition. According to quantum physics, particles can exist in multiple places at once, but they don't immediately choose one path. Instead, they live two parallel lives until their position is detected at only one particular place. This is called superposition. In real life, we are using this technology everyday, how our laser, smartphone and satellites work.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
No, the protons can travel with the speed of light, so indeed took them 4 years to get here. But, due to their multi-dimensional capabilities they can communicate, once here, instantaneously with the San Ti
@oerthling Місяць тому
@@voiceover2191Nitpick: Protons have mass, so can't actually travel at light speed. But it's a nitpick because they can get close enough to not make much difference for practical purposes. :-)
@ChiliJ Місяць тому
Suppose the SanTi picks up Will and revived him, how will this help us? How will we get information from him?
@Cobrakai180 Місяць тому
His book of Fairy Tales foreshadows that...
@ChiliJ Місяць тому
@@Cobrakai180 why would it be a foreshadowing? Shouldn't it be explained for Jin, Will, and everyone else to go along with the plan?
@jsbrads1 Місяць тому
If they pick up Will and they discover that they can hook him up to a lie detector such that they can trust what he says, then a dialog can resume and if they learn enough about us, then they can figure out how to live with us and don’t need to destroy us.
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
hes spiraling off in a completely opposite direction , theres no chance of them picking him up
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@jsbrads1 If you have a civilization with no concept of deception, a lie detector is not likely a possibility as they would not know how to discern truth from lie.
@ErinCollective Місяць тому
i also don't understand the logic of the nanofibre vs the hdd, because even though it's not a bomb it's tons of burning steel anyway, how is that much better? i think it was a cool scene / idea but the hard drive was not a convincing reasons to deploy it.
@bloodaonadeline8346 Місяць тому
they can still recover data from a burned or cut Hdd. as long as Evan’s didn’t get a chance to wipe it clean or completely destroy it they can recover the data.
@ErinCollective Місяць тому
@@bloodaonadeline8346... yeah, it wasn't any faster than gas or less destructive than a bomb, it was just a way to show off the new tech.
@edgbarra Місяць тому
@@ErinCollectivefar less destructive than a bomb. The wires were not so close to each other so even if they cut the drive it would be just one extremely clean cut. The gas wasn't used because of the ventilation. It was impossible to reach every part of the ship. The bonus of the wire is that people have no idea what's going on. In their eyes everything is magically being cut. Some of them may though it was the Santi doing it
@bloodaonadeline8346 Місяць тому
@@ErinCollective they mention gas in the show the ship has tons of ventilation ports gas would be removed extremely fast. It made sense in the world the author setup. You might think it doesn’t but it sure looked cool as hell.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@bloodaonadeline8346 If the wire cuts through the middle or even a small piece, you're done, no recovery possible, you can't glue them together and expect any use of it. It is total nonsense. A black ops team is trained to move quietly especially high chance of success at night with only civillians on board. And you could see the plan failing. Evans was alerted and grabbed the drive, only the fact he was too keen to keep it in stead of destroying it, lead to its survival, not thanks to the plan.
@user-gs3fn9sq6t Місяць тому
Great video, but you're wrong about Yang Weining. What makes you think he wasn't trying to steal Ye's idea? That is 100% what he was doing.
@majinally3527 Місяць тому
can someone explain the judgement day scene to me? what did they to to make shit hit the fan?
@majinally3527 Місяць тому
nvm
@estebansolmat2518 Місяць тому
how did the headsets got to earth knowing they are 400 years apart from here?
@BenJonesart Місяць тому
Sophons
@wanglimr Місяць тому
Sophon provides software. The hardware may be made by the followers of Evans with San-ti tech..
@oerthling Місяць тому
They were produced here by one of Evan's companies. Everything happening on our scale is done by humans. Sophons only interact on the nano scale of atoms. And those 2 Sophons/origins is all the material they send ahead (because tiny enough to travel very close to the speed of light).
@mrmaxin53 Місяць тому
The sophons has no mass and can be accelerated faster (sent) than light
@BenJonesart Місяць тому
the Sophons would have had to interact with the headsets since they were also communicating real time with the "players" and even the Sphons did not directly create them, they could have transmitted the information about building them very easily or taken over human computers to build them because the Sophon is still a supercomputer@@oerthling
@pattychurra Місяць тому
I'm also stuck on the San-ti's "meltdown" at the realization that humans can deceive/ hide their true intentions; isn't that what the San-ti themselves continually do by omission? Any time they keep the cult leaders in the dark about "the plan", isn't that technically deceitful? Also, the thought that they would be surprised, being currently way more advanced than us intellectually, that our alien civilization would process reality in a way that reflects our lack of telepathy, in other words, using fantasy/fiction aka "Lies" (myths, stories, imagination, fairy tales) and lies (intentional deception) to navigate our reality, quite disrupted my suspension of disbelief. Even if it was difficult to understand, wouldn't their superior intellect have led them to suspect the possibility of deception, seeing as to how they practice a form of it themselves and therefore see the necessity/utility in it? or even the practice of using a fictional story to allegorize a larger, more complex concept? the Lord expressed bewilderment when Evans told them that the wolf was made up and that its forest didn't exist, like the recruitment game world wasn't exactly that, a fictional story serving as an allegory/fable. It's making my brain itch, lol
@proudkaafir5126 Місяць тому
In the book the game was created by humans serving the aliens( ETO). The san ti didnt themselves create the game. And the game was played by using a V suit and store bought virtual helmet. They put the game on the internet and allowed anyone to play trhough a URL.
@pattychurra Місяць тому
@@proudkaafir5126 ohhhh that puts that into context for sure, makes more sense
@chriscunningham8703 Місяць тому
I’m rooting for the Aliens 👍🏻
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
I love that for you 😆
@edgbarra Місяць тому
Many humans are
@theodorewinston3891 Місяць тому
ETO recruitment: successful 😂
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@theodorewinston3891 Depends, if he is a redemptionist, survivor or adventist
@josvankrieken6874 Місяць тому
Does anyone know how the Chinese translate the incoming signal from the San-ti into Chinese characters?
@Mukuro777 Місяць тому
Morse
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@Mukuro777 How would the San Ti know morse code?
@Renzodu974 Місяць тому
Binary language with primary numbers. It's like a simple match code. Difficult to understand for us, easy for scientists.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@Renzodu974 Ah, makes sense, thank you
@arturmo1046 Місяць тому
I have not read the books, so i am asking this question because i see a logical error here: If the San Ti assumed humans were aware of the dark forest, why did theY revealed themselves anyways? Learning about humans and knowing the universe, they would assume we would use the "mutual destruction" threat. Why not trying to conquer the earth in secret?
@alekisighl7599 Місяць тому
They needed to send the sophons to block human technological advancement
@skyfitsheaven7393 Місяць тому
@@alekisighl7599 which could also be done in secret and they decided to talk about it in the game and then display it (making the proton visible in the sky).
@skyfitsheaven7393 Місяць тому
They didn't want to conquer it in the first place, they wanted to coexist so they made contact but after they discovered humans deceive they changed their mind but some humans already knew about them. Then they wanted our scientists on their side so they started sending The Game.
@davidbush9274 Місяць тому
There is also the problem of the acceleration of technology hypothesis.
@jasonexperience8970 Місяць тому
@@skyfitsheaven7393 making proton visible in the sky to have human fear again.
@ericalves5514 29 днів тому
How in hell someone on earth build the helmet thing?
@enadegheeghaghe6369 20 днів тому
It's not as impossible as it seems. Wade's scientists where able to figure out the components. The components were even listed in one one of the conversations between Wade and Dashi. Evans and his crew probably got the original instructions from the Sophons
@Angivel Місяць тому
So.....they only got the data, the harddrive becasue of dumb luck? Evans Had the data, he Could have destroyed it, they're just lucky he didnt. Nor did they know it Was an actual harddrive to begin with, it could have been a fragile notebook that burnt up. And an explosion could destroy the data but not being crushed under all that debris. It was a Really cool scene, but so far I haven't seen any justification for it. It just seems insanely risky and dumb.
@wxmyjnsn Місяць тому
How was Tatiana able to be invisible on the cameras? How was she able to travel so fast from place to place, i.e. be in China to kill Ye?
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
she could have been on the flight with Ye , also the sophons erase her from camera footage, shes not invisible
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
The show does not say how much time passed so mute point
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
@@voiceover2191 *moot*
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@yankeesrule587 If it's a mute point, it will be moot by definition.
@yankeesrule587 Місяць тому
@@voiceover2191 lol, touche.
@goblin3810 Місяць тому
I hope my joke didn't disturb you.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
👀
@ROD27681 Місяць тому
Man wtf did she mean 😂
@joshuaopoku2543 Місяць тому
Exactly! What was that about? Must be some foreshadowing
@kilgoretrout413 5 днів тому
How is a brain 🧠 in a jar 🫙 on a rocket 🚀 meant to report back to earth 🌍? Edit - I see 😑😒 🤦🏻♂️
@roadtotarvalon 5 днів тому
What do you see 😆
@kilgoretrout413 5 днів тому
@@roadtotarvalon you answered the question 🙋🏻 but I find it unconvincing like much of the series (haven’t read the books 📚)
@roadtotarvalon 5 днів тому
@@kilgoretrout413 What's are you unconvinced about?
@kilgoretrout413 5 днів тому
@@roadtotarvalon that sending a brain 🧠 into space is going to be worth the massive effort - like the video says though anything’s worth a shot 😄 good content thanks 🫡
@roadtotarvalon 5 днів тому
@@kilgoretrout413 💜💜💜
@RakeshSharma-wc7pm Місяць тому
Dr. Salazar seems useless after 6 episode
@benquinneyiii7941 Місяць тому
Perfect abstraction
@chriscunningham8703 Місяць тому
I was so disappointed when “Auggie’s” numbers stopped 💀
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
She is such an annoying character, I hope we're done with her, but I fear the worst, such a self entitled narcisist.
@chrisb7528 Місяць тому
There are no bad ideas? Project staircase sounds like a horrible idea and will likely backfire.
@kevinle1841 27 днів тому
I finally get why Vera’s mom said that joke with the black guy. So we are god and the aliens are Einstein. If they want to come to heaven/earth they got to play by our rules otherwise we could set off the whole sun and destroy everyone so earth will be like hell 🔥🔥🔥
@carlos21626 18 днів тому
The books is better
@daisywang Місяць тому
That guy was definitely taking credit of doctor ye. Haha. That's why ye lost faith in humanity after all of that
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
It deviates from the book and indeed is a moronic nod to the whole men are either stupid or cannot be trusted and all women are genius of this series. Ah well, sign of the times.
@merannicuill6435 Місяць тому
There is only MASS in space, not WEIGHT. Isn't this well known? Maybe just switch out the words.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
An object will always weigh more than another with less mass if both are subject to the same gravity. Don't be such a star plucker yelling in all caps 😆
@colinfitzgerald007 25 днів тому
He was definitely trying to steal her idea. In the scene before, they show him...upset that she's not into him just because he contacted that American for her. That's how the SHOW is portraying it, at least. I'm reading Three Body Problem now.
@CelineNoyce Місяць тому
My question is why do they all believe that the aliens are dangerous? If we can talk to them... we can charm them. But the fact that they have the games to convince the best and brightest to help them tells me they can be reasoned with. Why tell us that they are the ones messing with our world.
@HandsomeRabbit8 Місяць тому
Because they aim to cripple human technological advancement by killing our scientists and messing with our fundamental research. They even put up massive "ads" around the world to taunt that we are all bugs. Do you reason and bargain with bugs? Probably not, right?
@linav6959 Місяць тому
The game was created by humans to recruit new followers. Trisolarians never intended to live peacefully with humans and directly said they are gonna conquer the Earth.
@tsukasa1608 Місяць тому
If I destroy you, what business is it of yours? You won't feel bad for killing a bug will ya? Trisolaran or San-ti was a rare case because they need our planet, but there're others out there who just not gonna take the risk, and this is as far I could go, the rest are spoiler territory.
@sparklingx4448 Місяць тому
That's the reason from "Trisolarans on Mars" to "All humans in Australia".😂 Is it always dangerous for strangers to enter our house? Why should we unconsciously assume that this is a thief and be vigilant? Besides, this person has a gun (high-tech), while you don't. Safety (survival) is always the top priority, and it is impossible to skip this verification.
@roadtotarvalon Місяць тому
The plot is basically a point about the naivety of man. Who are we to assume that just because we can communicate to a higher form of life they share our own similar values of kindness and peace? Nope. The point is humans are like toddlers and we have zero idea about the rules of space.
@mixedup2917 Місяць тому
Of course a nieve woman would be the one to.
@mikcurius3779 Місяць тому
The only smart thing of this book, is that it put the aliens in the closest to earth sun, the alpha centaur, in order to make the story more believable.. All the rest are nonsense.
@mrot777 Місяць тому
The book will definitely confuse you. Stick to Star Wars.
@mikcurius3779 Місяць тому
@@mrot777 I m not a fan of star wars but I m not a fan of scifi that wants to be considered as science also , in fact star trek series are more beliavable than this.
@peters4115 Місяць тому
I love Star Trek too but there’s a lot about it that makes no damn sense either lol
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
@@mrot777 I loved the books but I agree there is a lot of stupid and illogical stuff in it, both in the way the trisolarans reason and act as well as the humans on their part. But there are beuatiful concepts in there as well. Unfortunately Liu is great in inventing great concepts, but crappy in creating characters that actually come alive in the books, they are just pawns serving to advance the plot, not all of them, but most of them.
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
Best book about first contact is Larry Niven and Jerry Pournell's "The Mote in God's Eye", absolutely brilliant.
@byronrodriguez6820 Місяць тому
More relevant is, why is this series total crap, did any of the writers actually read the book. The Tencent Chines series is far superior than this utter embarrassment of a show and I urge people to watch that version instead.
@mrmaxin53 Місяць тому
Cost is likely a factor… the US market often won’t do 20+ episode per seasons.
@jojobizz230 Місяць тому
does the Tencent version carry heavy CCP nationalistic propaganda undertones? (I can't imagine them not jumping at the chance to inject a shitload of it, the way Disney and MsheU can't stop themselves from shoving identity politics into everything...)
@eydpotter Місяць тому
@@jojobizz230contrary to what you might think, it does not. I’ve seen plenty of Chinese shows and I’d say only 5 percent have anything you might equate with propaganda.
@jojobizz230 Місяць тому
@@eydpotter in that case, I might check it out 👍
@voiceover2191 Місяць тому
I agree, finished the Chinese series yesterday and loved it. It is much closer to the books and yes, way slower in plot advancement but that didn't bother me at all. Not all actors are equally gifted but I loved the actresses playing Ye Wenjie, both the young as well as the old one. The guys playing the western people were dreadful actors and dubbed, but the Chinese core cast fantastic. I loved the game scenes even though clearly cgi on a much lower budget, but that didn't bother me at all, I felt it carried the spirit of the book and obviously kept the Chinese perspective which was one of the main things as a westerner fascinated me as a reader and was such a refreshing different look. The music sometimes was terrible and sometimes it was beautiful, very uneven. The policeman Di She and Wang were fantastic and very cute his bond with his daughter. The series did change one major thing of the books and that was making the central plot very much part of pushing an environmental agenda, that is lacking in the books, certainly to that degree. It annoyed me at some point, but in the end I really loved the show but I fear if they plan to do all three books it will take them 10 seasons to tell the story, but I wouldn't mind, just hope the next one comes soon.
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