Don’t be silly, kitchen fitters won’t spend the money on somthing like that when they can keep twisting cables together and hiding them under the kick boards

You ever wired kitchen grid switches on a ring, it’s no better or worse, no single part of a ring is meant to be carrying 32A

​@@edc1569Depends on what you mean by any single part of a ring. The breaker on a ring is typically rated at 32 amps, so the ring is expected to be loaded up to that amount. But as we know the ring is made up of two conductors for each line conductor so the current is split between them.

if it is, the ring's broken, yep... I still don't like concentrated heavy loads on a ring, but for a couple of spurs for IT or AV equipment it's fine (altho for that we typically spur off once then run it through a 13A FCU with as many sockets as needed for the equipment)

@@TheChipmunk2008 A ring has a 32A breaker. Load it up to 32A on one side of the ring. It would have to be taking less than 20% from one leg for a cable to be overloaded. Then, say *if* it is overloaded the cable will get warm increasing resistance making more current come from the other leg. Auto correcting. I have *never* come across an unbalanced ring.

Thanks, Carl. Glad they are helping you out ;)

hub.efixx.co.uk/quickwire

How many distribution boards are you fitting to have every socket fed individually.

​@@damiendye6623why would you have to do that

@@henrystevens2258 well what's stopping the sed issues with a ring happening on a radial, err none so you might as well stay with a ring then

Check out this video ukposts.info/have/v-deo/fn6YiKR9qm2XlqM.htmlsi=29yekpv5zkVp4e09

A ring feeds a socket from both ends. 26A on an unbalanced ring can be say 8A on one leg and 18A on the other. With two 24A Quickwires on each leg then all is fine. The four way Quikwire is two connection at each end with a bar inside the Quickwire internals connecting the two pairs. You are assuming the bar between is 24A. Quikwire need to clarify. If 32A, all is fine.

A double socket is rated a total of 20A from both sockets. Yes. If you see that two 13A appliances may, or will, be plugged into a double, it has to be two singles. If the ring cable is rated at 21A then that is fine with a 32A mcb by the regs. I would drop the mcb to a 25A from 32A to be sure.

If you pull 13A out of both sides of a double socket under a continuous load you’re overheating that socket and causing damage anyway.

It's more of a standards issue a junction box rated at 32A must be capable of coping with a 6mm sq cable.

You can have a ring, a j-box then a spur cable to a socket. As many as you like.

@@johnburns4017 not when i was trained in the late Triassic, maybe this reg has been removed or wait, yes a j box counts as a 'point', maybe?

still doesn't sit well

@@TheChipmunk2008 It is better as the ring's current runs through the j-boxes not the terminals on the rear of the sockets. So 32A does not run through the socket.

@@johnburns4017 wrong

strip back the earth sleeving

I recall the Earth conductor is thinner on the new cable, so I'm wondering if it will fit in the Quickwire

Hey, so i tried the earth sure cable in the Quickwire JB and it went in a dream 😊

@@joehammond6119 I think its just the CPC insulation that's thinner on the new earthsure cable.

@@joehammond6119 I think its just the insulation that's thinner.

Draw on any spur cannot be more than 26A (two 13A outlets). Draw through the ring cannot be more than 32A. Totally safe.

@@johnburns4017 Thank you for explaining that.

I wouldn't use it on a radial curcuit wired in 2.5mm2, but as you said, current splits at a junction, or so Kirchhoff would have us believe, but I think it would be safe to use on a ring main.

In theory- not sure. In practice- unlikely. Three port wago .

@@spankeyspangler Three port Wago for what?

🤣🤣🤣Underrated comment

@@spankeyspangler A five port Wago clearly gives you *_three_* spurs off it. All legal.

Wagos are rated tho, surely your not going to use a 32a rated product for supplying 6 potential 13a plug tops 👀

He’s had years of practice of breaking into rings though.

​@@SME_Stevery funny 🤣

No because the load is split

I have the whole ring on screwless lever Wagos, except into the RCBO or AFDD at the consumer unit. The ring's current only runs through the Wagos. They are in the backboxes. Then a 2.5mm flex from the Wago to the socket terminal, making it easy to push the socket back into the backbox with no stress on the socket's terminals. So no conductor popping out of the terminals due to stress. Win, win!

Whenever I do a rewire that’s how I do them, look at the house and kind of loads they use, then normally 1 20a radial for upstairs sockets, 1x 20a downstairs sockets and 32a 4mm radial for the kitchen, sometimes they have so little plugged in kitchen- mainly older people where it’s a kettle, washer and fridge you could use 20a without issue.

@@richard3004 The Wagos work equally well on radials and rings. You could have just two rings rather than three radials. Or the whole lot on a 4mm 32A ring using Wagos in backboxes, on an AFDD. Bombproof. I did a _whole_ 2 bed flat on a 4mm ring, including the 3kw oven and the Bosch induction hob on a 13A plug. All on one AFDD. It had two circuits, the other was 1.00 for the LED lights, again on a 6A AFDD. The consumer unit was tiny. No Grenfell tower fires there. New tech like AFDDs and Wagos up the safety levels enormously.

Who here hasnt found a broken ring on a eicr due to a poor connection at a socket. These 24amp jbs then have to supply full currant and the fault wont be found till the next eicr. Sorry makes me nervous.

​@@ks-hg5voand how's it different to the 2.5mm cable in that scenario.

No need for earth sleeving on these beauties ;)

Not required per manufacturer's instructions. Q for Efixx, how does this work with the new Earthsure, does it work or does the insulated CPC get in the way of the CPC connection, do you have any videos of them taken apart?

@@TheChipmunk2008 As far as we can tell, EarthSure cable 1,1.5 & 2.5mm2 has exactly the same CSA of each of the L,N & E copper conductors as used in standard twin and earth. Therefore, provided it is stripped as per our instructions, it will still work with all Quickwire connectors in our range. However I’d question the logic of using the two together on the same job. Firstly there is no need to sleeve earth when using Quickwire connectors, and secondly stripping normal T&E cable with our strippers is incredibly quick and easy, but when using Earthsure you’d have to completely remove the thinner earth sleeving, and this would mean splaying out the cores to do so, before then aligning them again to fit into a Quickwire JB. It’s possible, but not exactly easy. Personally I think you’d choose to use either Quickwire or Earthsure on any given job, despending on which will save you the most time. And this will vary depending on the nature of the job.

@@quickwire80 so basically you'd have to work around this... thank you for your honesty... I hope this gets checked into ... because both are excellent ideas

(testing would pick up any issues of course)

Thing is Mark, without them, all these bitter sparks wouldn’t have much to argue about. Sad, but its true.

The ring final circuit has a long history and adds a degree of complexity to testing and inspection

It was a good idea 80 years ago after world war 2 in order to save copper but, it hasprobably had its day now. I prefer radial circuits where ever possible

Banned in Australia 🦘🦘🦘

Two plugs with 13A fuses = 26A. Clipped direct cable rated to 27A. The socket will overheat first.

@@AndyK.1 that's why I said depends on the reference method, in an insulated wall 20A

It was a linked video behind the main review - it's just gone public now.

Indeed. A double as a spur off the ring could likely be feeding a washing machine and a tumble dryer and pulling 26amps. Don't know why they just don't just rate and build the quickeore to handle 26amps argument solved.

Hi Martin. Are you aware of the minimum CCC for a 2.5 1.5 ring circuit in the good old UK? This is the reason i’ve never lost sleep when in the past i’ve used the older style Wago push ins on a ring

They are designed for use with conductors upto 4mm2, thats more than likely the reason

You can use 6mm with 32A wagos

@@longworth2000 you can, but not in the ones rated to 32 amp

I'm really curious how. That is very unlikley, what happened!??

All times after using the loop ones on spotlights had to be replaced I didn’t bother using the straight join one took them back to the wholesalers got refunde but haven’t wanted to use them since, as I said first time used and both times failed. I only got them to try them out.

@@mikewhitby2686 Do not buy cheap stuff.

Hmmm, I think you were probably doing something wrong. We test every single unit we make rigorously at our factory before they are sent out. The chances of you having multiple failures like that, honestly. It's just incredibly unlikely. Are you sure you had the strip lengths correct? @@mikewhitby2686

Do you use Bakelite fittings as well? 🤣

@@johnburns4017 no, just J.B's.

@@merlin5476 Do you still use wirenuts.

@@johnburns4017 no, just J.B's.

Next you’ll be telling us all that you feed your horse on ‘just J.B’s’😮

You don't know what you are missing.

@@efixxMore then likely they're not missing anything... The sooner ring circuits are banned the better...

@@gloveyourway2000 Yes, they're a Pain in the arse for testing. The risk of an open circuit happening in untested rings (it DOES still happen) is too great. An open in a radial makes itself known instantly when the sockets quit working downstream

@@TheChipmunk2008 Easy to test once you understand rings.

The rest of the world is backwards. A 4mm ring on a 32A AFDD is bombproof and delivers the power multiple radials would.

They are easy to pull out the conductors. Screw-less connectors have been riven in Germany for decades.

So you don’t use Wago’s or push fit terminals in lighting fixtures?

Haha... just curious as to the basis and thinking behind that? ;)

It is not 1984 any longer.

@@efixx No I work for a large UK pharmaceutical research company as a Electrical Engineering technician. They are banned on our site along with ring main. All lighting is wired in 2.5mm minimum. All sockets fed from mimumum 4mm radials. We dont cut corners. We dont employ house bashers.

@@mikepxg6406 so no control panels on equipment with screwless DIN rail terminals. I first used them on 50kW industrial oven in 1996 and it’s still going strong.

Wow - bet it's fun in your house.

That's my favourite bit 🎉

@@quickwire80 Are you the manuf? If so, are they ok with the new Doncaster Earthsure cable with pre-identified CPC?

Oh no, I’m so sorry but it’s quite disorienting going from studio to green screen and back again. I’ll be sure to down my sickness tablets for next time though 🤮

@@joehammond6119 Bald tube, grow up. I expect professionalism from a page such as eFIXX, I also don’t appreciate the threatening tone used.