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w2aew

w2aew

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This is a recording of a presentation given (via Zoom) to the W6SD San Fernando Valley Amateur Radio Club on 18 Feb 2020. It is a combination of several videos that I've done in the past - including an introduction to Smith charts, using the NanoVNA (and Smith charts) to look at the impedance and SWR of your antenna system and matching network, with a bit of "extra credit" showing L-Network design using the Smith chart. Enjoy!

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@simonbaxter8001
@simonbaxter8001 2 роки тому
Been doing digital/analogue electronics for 35+ years. Just getting into RF and your videos are nothing short of pure GOLD.
@michaelshreeve5192
@michaelshreeve5192 Рік тому
I completely agree. The part , starting basically at 42:30 (I've also seen it in another video of his) was similar to starting a chainsaw in front of a cave man who had never seen one running. Wow ! Whats that noise ? What an eye opener !
@californiakayaker
@californiakayaker 11 місяців тому
@@michaelshreeve5192 If you want to do it on a paper chart you have to order the special smith charts paper with the blue lines. Its very hard to see for most older people, but not me as I still have one myopic eye ! My other eye had cataract surgery and is 20-20. That said, the Nano VNA just does this and its as if it knows where the conductance and admittance lines are supposed to be. I call it a "Dynamic" smith chart ! Do you do anything with "SIM SMITH" ?
@norbertdapunt1444
@norbertdapunt1444 2 місяці тому
Absolutely!!
@IanBaldson
@IanBaldson 2 місяці тому
Brilliant Thankyou
@johnyoungquist6540
@johnyoungquist6540 2 роки тому
When your video comes in everything stops here until I watch it. Another great one. You make a tremendous contribution to engineering education. Great job.
@richranchernot
@richranchernot 7 місяців тому
As an Electrical Engineer, and Ham Radio Operator, I have must say, this was one of the best videos I have seen on this subject. I wish it was available when I was taking my electromagnetism courses.
@rfdave3980
@rfdave3980 2 роки тому
Alan as always you have provide pure education. Thank you as posted before pure GOLD (Simon Baxter). I love it. 73
@DM-fz3ly
@DM-fz3ly 2 роки тому
Alan, Your video serves as another example of the idea that anyone can get a world class free education by simply watching good videos and examples like this one. Thanks for sharing! 73, N7KBC
@aneeshprasobhan
@aneeshprasobhan Рік тому
A valuable collection of information ! Thank you so much for this video.
@MichaelLloyd
@MichaelLloyd 2 роки тому
You just filled in the blanks that were keeping me from understanding a Smith Chart and use my VNA. Thank you!!! 73 NE5U
@jonpsimpson
@jonpsimpson Рік тому
While restoring a Gates BC-1T AM xmitter, I came across this presentation. Could not have been more perfectly timed as I began the pi network rebuild and connection to my balanced doublet antenna. It demystified some RF challenges along the way and helped me enjoy a successful finish to my 800 lb (literally) project. In fact, your library of videos are a wonderful gift to the amateur radio community and anyone desiring to go a bit deeper into electronics. Thank you.
@JackSmith-by6sb
@JackSmith-by6sb Рік тому
Excellent information, thank you so much for producing these videos.
@jawaidmughalmhsh7012
@jawaidmughalmhsh7012 2 роки тому
Sir, this is absolutely marvellous. Your are a superb teacher. Jawaid.(Member of Pakistan Amateur Radio Society)
@scottb5662
@scottb5662 2 роки тому
I'm following along with the NanoVNA hooked up to an antenna. Great stuff Alan. Thanks, Scott W0KU.
@christianvargas2315
@christianvargas2315 3 дні тому
This is one good lecture and lecturer . Appreciate it.
@kirkp_nextguitar
@kirkp_nextguitar Рік тому
My Smith Chart training was decades ago so I wanted a refresher. This is excellent. Thanks!
@ReastHobart
@ReastHobart 2 роки тому
Agree with the comments - fantastic content - a must for amateur experimenters - aren't NanoVNAs just the best piece of cheap test equipment for the shack!! 73, Justin, VK7TW
@ed.puckett
@ed.puckett 2 роки тому
Thank you for this very instructive video! I was thinking that in the old days (1960s-1970s) we had publications like Popular Electronics that often made me think, and then I realized that channels like yours provide a similar experience today. Thank you!!
@cloudybongo
@cloudybongo Рік тому
Hi, the example at the end was the key to bringing it all together. An excellent presentation. Thank you for all of your videos!
@electron_
@electron_ Рік тому
This is the charm of good engineer, make things easier to understand. Cheers Alan!
@guilhermepaixao1102
@guilhermepaixao1102 2 роки тому
Many thanks ,and 73's.
@bitdiddle1
@bitdiddle1 2 роки тому
Like the previous commenter said, this is pure gold. Love your videos!
@bobkozlarekwa2sqq59
@bobkozlarekwa2sqq59 2 роки тому
This has got to be your best videos great jobs. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Sim Smith software
@bradarmstrong1656
@bradarmstrong1656 Рік тому
To help with YT popularity algo I am commenting. I used to think I was smart and could capture quickly almost anything at a glance, but Smith charts repeatedly humiliated me and pretty much corrected me. They seemed bizarrely complicated but here you show the way. Thank you so much. You are an excellent teacher! Wonderful! The yin/yang charts at 40-42 minutes with circuits are truly special standouts in an extraordinarily clear teaching video. I love ALL your videos. They are all great examples of your clear-minded teaching excellence - but amongst your especially good videos - this one is even more especially good! TY 🙂
@JoeJalopy
@JoeJalopy 2 роки тому
Well done! Rather than just saying, "match by attaching the complex conjugate of the impedance". So that's what is going on in my antenna tuner! And all the radio's matching networks. -K3JDD
@Brenda-jf2pe
@Brenda-jf2pe 2 роки тому
John Boy Utah, if I had a teacher like you early on I would be an EE rather than a AAS in EE!😎🇺🇸👍🏻
@W1RMD
@W1RMD 2 роки тому
Thanks Alan. I'm still trying to understand all of this, however this chart is a HUGE help through visualization. Keep up the great videos. 73's.
@gregwmanning
@gregwmanning 10 місяців тому
I enjoyed it too. A mountain of valuable info. Thanks
@mickblackmore290
@mickblackmore290 Рік тому
Hello Alan, I have watched approximately 60% of your videos. Soooo much information and so easy to understand the way you tell it. I am going to be joining the Ham Radio World thanks to you. Just wanted to thanks!
@dave6501
@dave6501 Рік тому
Thank-you Alan. very informative great video. I really like your teaching method.
@davidbrown1060
@davidbrown1060 8 місяців тому
Great video
@TheCablebill
@TheCablebill Рік тому
All your videos are superb. Your laid back, pleasant yet concise and undistracted presentation style is supremely easy to stay engaged with. This one in particular was/is extremely useful to me. It laid to rest some of the questions I've been unable to resolve from the many online sources that sometimes seem to offer conflicting and confusing information, dispelling much of the doubt I had about some concepts and correcting some misconceptions by lucidly explaining ideas with your self-assured and very credible explanations. In short, you are an outstanding teacher. Thank you so much.
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
Thank you, that is very kind of you to say. I'm very happy to hear that you got a lot out of this video.
@HotHammster
@HotHammster Рік тому
Thank you. You are such a great teacher- understanding both the mathematical and practical side of Smith charts really helps.
@malcolmbeale4970
@malcolmbeale4970 2 роки тому
Always a great presentation...
@ka2pbo
@ka2pbo Рік тому
This was outstanding ! I picked up Walt Maxwell's ( W2DU) book a few years back. He changed the way I think about and work with transmission lines and antennas forever .The only trouble I had with the book was putting his Smith charts to work. You have just made it so simple for me to understand. I guess I will have to dive back into the book now. Thanks and 73 !
@rsdaarud
@rsdaarud 2 роки тому
Great job explaining antenna tuning!
@Peter-oh3lx
@Peter-oh3lx Рік тому
Excellent presentation. Just getting into this field (after trying to avoid it for years) to improve my DIY IoT sensors. Had seen a couple of other videos, but you brought it all together in a way that perfectly matched my poor understanding. I learned so much in just one hour!
@karlgoebeler1500
@karlgoebeler1500 2 роки тому
I agree Your videos are Pure gold Always needed for a refresher course with practice applications.
@petergamache5368
@petergamache5368 2 роки тому
Thanks much for sharing this. I know how to use my VNA however I'm not great at explaining it to others. You've done a great job here!
@ydonl
@ydonl 2 роки тому
It frightens me that I think I understood a fair bit of that! I'm not a amateur radio'er; I always feel like I'm getting on someone else's bus when I watch your radio-oriented vids. :) Nicely done. And the production values of this session... excellent. As much as I prefer Actual Humans, I guess there is an advantage to preparing a talk for online, in that you can scale it up to any size audience!
@ernestb.2377
@ernestb.2377 Рік тому
Excellent practical explanation. Very neat to see how it all adds up. 20 years ago I had the Smith chart as part of the education for electronic engineer, but used a vector network analyser only in a few occasions. Never worked with Smith chart in this way. Very nice to be able to calculate your way to match the network in a few clear steps. Very interesting. I will watch this video at least one more time 🙂 Thank you for your effort! I have bought a nanoVNA H4 recently and will start to use it.
@davidharwood297
@davidharwood297 2 роки тому
Fantastic presentation! Great mix of fundamental and practical info presented in a manner that even I can understand. Well done!
@jomf8929
@jomf8929 10 місяців тому
Excellent beginner video. Bravo.
@WestCoastMole
@WestCoastMole 2 роки тому
Hi Alan Excellent stuff as always. I've been licensed since the early 70s doing quite a bit of construction and building. I have known that altering feedline length can change SWR but was at a loss to explain why. Your explanation struck me as basic and even embarassed me. Now I know why. For others that want to delve down deeper into this subject, and there is much more, Larry Benko W0QE has his own UKposts Website which deals with the subject. It references a Computer Program "SimSmith" that is a powerful tool itself. For those interested just put W0QE in the youtube search engine. But be forewarned this is a deep subject. Larry like Alan is a Degreed and Highly Experienced EE. His videos are not as easy to follow as Alan's.
@georgenicholas5210
@georgenicholas5210 Місяць тому
Great video, very informative!
@andrewwiggins9934
@andrewwiggins9934 Рік тому
Thank you! Concise and clear!
@ChrisinOSMS
@ChrisinOSMS 2 роки тому
I had this question last night for the 2-meter round table. Google is scary sometimes, but this was great.
@RadioDude1969
@RadioDude1969 2 роки тому
Another excellent video. Thanks! 73 de Jon
@leongyokeloong5083
@leongyokeloong5083 2 роки тому
Thank you. Learn a lot from your videos. My teachers look like idiots now.
@byronwatkins2565
@byronwatkins2565 2 роки тому
Very nice!
@radoslawbiernacki
@radoslawbiernacki 2 роки тому
Sir, you have the gift! Please use it more for good of humanity! Make more videos like this!
@--JYM-Rescuing-SS-Minnow
@--JYM-Rescuing-SS-Minnow 2 роки тому
great lesson!
@elwood.downey
@elwood.downey 2 роки тому
Excellent. Might do one showing how multiple matching stages have wider bandwidth because they have lower Q, which on a Smith chart are arcs above and below Z = 0 and intersect R 0 and infinity.
@Q26Video
@Q26Video Рік тому
Brilliant, thanks so much for a wonderfully clear explanation, really helpful. Mortimer R-T G4BSK
@FlyingShotsman
@FlyingShotsman 2 роки тому
Great video, Alan, as usual. Thanks very much. To close the loop on antenna matching networks, would you consider making a video talking about how to choose the right L and C components? I know inductors can be homemade, but how do I determine wire diameter, core material, number of turns, etc.? What types of capacitors are suitable? Cheers!
@788home
@788home 2 роки тому
Excellent compilation - KF6GG
@tdumnxy
@tdumnxy 2 роки тому
Comment for the UKposts popularity algorithm. Excellent video though.
@victorb22622
@victorb22622 11 місяців тому
Long but informative video.some jargons are difficult to understand clubbing all at a time.but got the essence if video.i understood that adding coax does not effect vswr except the coax is part of Antenaa (knowing or unknowingly!) that is need to clarify further as it change impedance but not vswr!
@brus54per
@brus54per 2 роки тому
Great presentation - thank you so much! BTW, Smith charts are a powerful graphical way of solving the impedance matching problem, it would be interesting to learn more on analytical solutions to the matching problem. Most ATU:s sounds like a spanish castanets player on drugs when optimizing but surely there must be analytical solutions? If one turns the solution sought by the ATU into a two dimensional random walk optimization problem, I guess one would also be at risk of ending up in local minima?
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 роки тому
The benefit to an L-network is that there is only 1 minima. A T or PI network have have multiple solutions. The downside is that you have to pick the right L network topology. There are analytical solutions, but they require a vector measurement, not just a reflected power measurement which is typical in auto tuners.
@markharrison1160
@markharrison1160 Рік тому
Great video for the rest of us dummies(me)
@DrHWO
@DrHWO 2 роки тому
Bringing It to life in 2D! (that's as many D's as my brain voltage can cope with). 73, M0YZT
@igorstojanovic8137
@igorstojanovic8137 Рік тому
Hi Alan, thank you very much for the great explanation. Your videos are the real treasure! I have one doubt, and I would be grateful if you can help me to clarify. If we have an external antenna (for instance flex antenna) that is attached to the PCB via coaxial cable and u.fl connector, and the matching circuit is placed on the PCB (let’s say before u.fl connector, if it has sense), how to perform impedance measurement/find the right measurement plane? If we attach VNA at the matching circuit, should we also somehow include the length of the antenna coax cable (actually the distance from the matching circuit to the antenna) because, as you mention in the video, its length changes the way how the impedance is seen from the other side (rotating on constant VSWR circle)? I am a little confused about this. Thank you!
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
You would apply the concept of Port Extension. I have a video on this: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mnWBiZuHsJWT1oE.html Adjusting the amount of delay or port extension can be done experimentally. You'd start (after calibrating at whatever point you can) by estimating how much you need to move the measurement plane from the calibration location. If it is possible to solder/attach a temporary short at the desired measurement plane, you can then use either the phase plot or the Smith chart and watch the result as you tweak the delay / port extension value until the phase plot goes flat (or the Smith chart goes to dot at 9 o'clock).
@anlpereira
@anlpereira 11 місяців тому
Thank you very much for those videos. I was trying to understand how to make a Pi matching network to design a PCB for one ESP32-S2 soc. It has an outuput impedance of 35ohm+0j and I need to match it to a 50ohm MIFA trace antenna at 2442MHz. I kow there are some web applications bit I would love to see a video about that using Smith Chart. Thank you very much.
@w2aew
@w2aew 11 місяців тому
The process of using a smith chart for designing an L-network for impedance matching starts at 39:00 in the video. Do you really need a Pi network where an L-network will do?
@gregnewberry4813
@gregnewberry4813 2 роки тому
What an incredible video Alan. Your teaching ability is amazing. Is there a particular NanoVNA that you would recommend? It seems that there are a number of them on the market. And just searching NanoVNA is very confusing. Thanks WB7DUO
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 роки тому
It's tough to recommend one, there are a lot, and a lot of different sources. I mainly use a NanoVNA-H4 and a NanoVNA V2plus4.
@brandonporter4227
@brandonporter4227 Рік тому
I have an automatic tuner (LDG Z-817) that requires an antenna connection, a connection to the transceiver and a serial connection to the transceiver to function. I know I can use a NanoVNA to tune the antenna itself, but I'm not quite sure how I would break out the connection to see what exactly the tuner is doing or if it would even be possible since the transceiver goes into a PKT transmit mode so the tuner can figure out what to do. Not sure what that would even do to the NanoVNA or if it can even pass signal through the SMA ports. I suppose I could connect the NanoVNA to the antenna and adjust it as good as I can, connect the antenna to the tuner and have it do it's thing and then connect the NanoVNA to the tuner and note the change. Thoughts? Great video by the way. Took what appeared to be a difficult subject and made it very easy to understand.
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
Unfortunately, you can't "watch" what the tuner is doing since it needs the transmitter signal to do it's job. But, assuming the tuner holds its setting once tuned, you can disconnected the radio and connect the NanoVNA to see the result that the tuner came up with. You'll also be able to sweep over a frequency range to see how broad the tuned result is (i.e. how far can you tune the radio from the original tuned frequency and still have a decent SWR).
@slaznum1
@slaznum1 Рік тому
Do other visual people visual learners like me look at this and see the inside of a tube that bends to the right and gets smaller in the distance?
@PatAutrey
@PatAutrey Рік тому
Hi I really appreciate your teaching style this was so helpful I was curious do you know if it's possible to get blank notepads of Smith charts
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
A quick search uncovered this: www.amazon.com/Smith-Chart-Graph-Paper-Electronics/dp/170265169X and www.amazon.com/Smith-Chart-Notebook-transmission-Electronics/dp/179862737X/
@stevegooch2356
@stevegooch2356 Рік тому
Great content. Forgive the stupid question, but I am analyzing / tuning a cobweb antenna. Feed line is about 100' from transceiver. Do I connect NanoVNA right were my transceiver is and calibrate with the short / open / load at the antenna feed point (100' away)? I originally calibrated the NanoVNA with the shot / open / load right on the Nano itself, then did analysis with 10' of RG8U right at / near the antenna. Now with feedline attached to antenna and NanoVNA at transeiver end, things look totally different. I am not sure what to trust. So back to my original question I guess: "Do I connect NanoVNA right were my transceiver is and calibrate with the short / open / load at the antenna feed point (100' away)?"
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
In the end - what is most important is "what is the transmitter seeing". Replace the transmitter with the NanoVNA, calibrated at the VNA ports, will then show you what the TX sees by establishing the calibration plane at the TX end of the cable.
@stevegooch2356
@stevegooch2356 Рік тому
@@w2aew - Thanks! for closure, I found an issue with the remote antenna switch that was causing the difference!
@sammin5764
@sammin5764 2 роки тому
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@tamaseduard5145
@tamaseduard5145 2 роки тому
👍🙏👍
@tamaseduard5145
@tamaseduard5145 2 роки тому
73! 88!
@MrRezashokouhi
@MrRezashokouhi 2 роки тому
One like is not enough!
@omaruhh
@omaruhh 2 роки тому
I thought you were starting your own club? Lol. Where do I sign up?! Lol How much do you charge to speak for a group?
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 роки тому
I don't charge to speak for a radio club, of course.
@sugarvenom2189
@sugarvenom2189 11 місяців тому
When I move antenna during measurement, the VNA display different SWR and impedance. And difference could be radical. So how do I determine which result is the correct one???
@w2aew
@w2aew 10 місяців тому
Antenna impedance can be greatly affected by their surroundings. So, if you move the antenna, the distance to ground and surrounding objects (even your body) will change, and this can affect the impedance of the antenna. So, the answer is *all* of the results are correctly showing you the impedance of the antenna in that particular position. It is best to measure an antenna in the location where it will be used.
@sugarvenom2189
@sugarvenom2189 10 місяців тому
@@w2aew Thanks for reply! However I am designing tourist antenna, which means no fix to particular position. Seems need to carry NanoVNA along my trips to find proper impedance at each stop-station.
@w2aew
@w2aew 10 місяців тому
@@sugarvenom2189 Very common with VHF/UHF antennas. You just have get them close and not sweat it.
@rfburns3472
@rfburns3472 3 місяці тому
I recently obtained a NANOVNA H4 and I have this question for you. I wanted to take a 9:1 unun and look at the secondary winding which should be 450 ohms. I've only seen videos where they are looking at the primary side (50 ohm feedline side) which is easy enough to accomplish. For looking at the secondary, 450 ohm antenna feed point on the unun, I reset the H4 to read 450 ohms on the Smith Chart 1.0 system impedance point to normalize it. The H4 now displays "PORT-Z: 50 -> 450 Ohms". The results look very good. Is this the proper way to have accomplished this, or should I have left it at 50 ohms and divided 450/50 and located that point on the 9.0 horizontal prime access line?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 місяці тому
I believe what you did is correct. I haven't played with that feature yet. But, if you terminate the 50 ohm side into 50 ohms, and the smith chart is shown (near) bullseye center on the S11 on the 450 ohm side, then I say you are doing it right.
@rfburns3472
@rfburns3472 3 місяці тому
@@w2aew Yes, I did terminate the primary feedline side with 50 ohms. Thanks for your reply. Your videos are extremely helpful to me.
@vfrfoxtrott6430
@vfrfoxtrott6430 2 роки тому
👍👍73s
@llwonder
@llwonder Рік тому
Is it best to probe the antenna with little to no transmission line? If you wanted to figure out the impedance for a multiband antenna, how can you best figure out the matching circuit?
@w2aew
@w2aew Рік тому
The important thing is to establish the calibration / measurement plane at the same point where you intend to apply the matching circuit.
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