🏆3D Printer Tier List🏆 (Does your printer suck?) 🥇🥈🥉🪦
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День томуS Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab P1S: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Creality Ender 3 V3 SE: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
Elegoo Neptune 4: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235104...
VZBot: github.com/VzBoT3D/VzBoT-Vz330
Annex Engineering K3: github.com/Annex-Engineering/...
PRUSA Mini: www.prusa3d.com/#a_aid=NBR
Rook Kit: ???
Voron V0: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235544...
Voron Trident: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=235544...
A Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab AMS: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Ender 2 Pro: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
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Creality K1: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=201599...
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Anycubic Kobra 2:
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Elegoo Neptune 3 Max: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=224724...
Artillery Sidewinder X2: amzn.to/3qkUzBX
Qidi X-Max-3: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=212827...
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Sovol SV-07: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
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Flying Bear Ghost 6: ???
Voron 2.4: ???
Rat-Rig V-Minion: ???
B Tier Printers:
Bambu Lab P1P: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=228215...
Creality K1 Max: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=237420...
amzn.to/3YgxOvH
Elegoo Neptune 3 Plus: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=224724...
Annex Engineering K1: github.com/Annex-Engineering/...
AnkerMake M5: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=218210...
amzn.to/3DJDBQP
AnkerMake M5C: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=218210...
amzn.to/45guoLv
BTT Pad 7: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=239009...
WUXN WXR: wuxn3d.com/
QidiTech X-Plus-3: amzn.to/45bjZke
RatRig V-Core: ratrig.com
Seckit-Tank: seckit3dp.design/
Snapmaker J1: amzn.to/43VZYNM
Sovol SV-04: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/45kUgpL
Sovol SV-06 Plus: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/43Rwctm
Sovol SV-06: shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=214598...
amzn.to/3OJ6v9V
Tronxy Crux: amzn.to/3Om3xH3
Tronxy XA-500: ???
GEETECH A30: ???
Kingroon KLP1: ???
PRUSA I3MK4: www.prusa3d.com/#a_aid=NBR
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Note: This video is not sponsored, but I have received sponsorships from nearly every company on this list in the form of free printers, sponsorship payments, and affiliate income. The opinions and ratings expressed in this video are based on my experiences and knowledge of these products.
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0:00 Intro
0:51 All Printers
1:38 Bambu Lab
2:32 Creality
9:14 Anycubic Kobra and Elegoo Neptune
14:59 Annex Engineering
15:56 AnkerMake
17:00 Artillery
17:48 BTT, Cetus, Dremel
18:56 Flying Bear
20:24 Flash Forge and Formlabs
21:58 FLSUN
22:44 GEETECH, Kingroon, Longer, Lulzbot
25:11 MakerBot, Markforged, Mingda
26:15 Pantheon Design, Positron
27:27 PRUSA
30:14 Qidi Tech, Raise 3D
32:35 Rook, RatRig, Seckit-Tank
35:07 Snapmaker
36:57 Sovol
38:22 TwoTrees, Tronxy, Ultimaker
39:24 Voron Design, Voxelab
42:26 VZBot, Wuxn, Zortrax
44:03 Final Corrections
44:44 Review of S-Tier Prints
47:09 Conclusions
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@Vez3D 9 місяців тому
Good video! Thanks for the kind word and honest opinion on all those bots :)
@MalignSociety 9 місяців тому
You've made a mean printer.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
You're welcome! There are two types of 3D printer developers: 1) Those who ask "What is possible" 2) Those who ask "What can we get away with" You are definitely in type 1, as are most people passionate about making good printers! There are a lot of companies in type 2.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
What Happens to D Tier Printers: ukposts.infoodkKVIZItZA?feature=share
@XHolyPuffX 2 місяці тому
I'm fucking dead bro 😂
@rosshalford4041 9 місяців тому
When you cant work out if he is serious or shitposting on UKposts.
@poepflater 8 місяців тому
As a pensioner I'm looking for the cheapest one i wouldn't throw off a balcony
@poepflater 7 місяців тому
I found an old discontinued Flashforge Finder 1 for about $130, great little printer if limited in abilities. But super nice prints
@valeriyproklov2868 8 місяців тому
The positron was built to fit into a standard 1kg filament box. In my opinion any compromise that has to be made to achieve that is acceptable, because if someone told me a printer could fit in such a small space before I saw it I wouldn’t believe them. The upside downess doesn’t even impact print quality. In fact bridges are supposedly even better. It’s only problems are a lack of a decent kit, the fact it’s Bowden, and no auto Z offset capability which is nearly standard on Vorons.
@reasonablebeing5392 6 місяців тому
I bought the K1 with the $200 off coupon from Micro Center. At that price point and with the newest extruder, hot end and a couple of convenience mods (270 deg, door (must print!), side spool holder, and lid riser), it has been producing fast, quality prints and as you said, keeping level. Still looking for a price/value 300x300 bed size core xy to replace my trusty ol' highly modded CR-10.
@randallporch1800 7 місяців тому
I use a 3D pen like a welder for 3D printed parts, love it for that. Much better than products sold as 'plastic welders', which are basically soldering irons.
@claytonanderson9665 7 місяців тому
Thanks for the video man. Convinced me to begin upgrading my recently bought tronxy into a vzbot. Really neat project.
@groundedhippo9356 9 місяців тому
My p1s I got a week ago has been a nightmare, I couldn’t get a single good print out of it, it just got clogged, made bubbly, holey messes and after cleaning the plastic of the nozzle, it wouldn’t regulate the heat to the nozzle anymore so now it just won’t print at all. Worst 1500$ I’ve ever spent. My friend says it might work if I add some new thermal paste but I don’t see any reason to believe it’s not going to keep making my life miserable.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
The good thing about it is that it just works 95% of the time. The bad thing is, when it breaks it’s quite a bit trickier to fix, and support can be difficult to find. It’s a more complex machine than the old style bedslingers. Add to that, the bambu lab community tends to dogpile anyone who complains about quality or reliability.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Firstly that's not even the price of one. Secondly, there are 2 free spare hotend in the box, why wouldn't your first move be to swap them out in 2 minutes? Lastly, in case these weird descrepencies are real, because I do acknowledge every product has lemons, you must realize that every product has lemons. That being said, if your only issue is you got a clogged nozzle and the fix is already in the box and 2 screws and a connector away , is that really a valid reason to trash a printer when just about every printer ever can jam and this one has a design less likely to jam with the uni body hotend?
@SwervingLemon 2 місяці тому
@@BeefIngot949 plus tax and shipping and any add-ons could easily get him into the 1500 price range. The one I just saw had only one spare hotend. Your criticims might be valid, if they weren't marketing this thing as the "it just works" printer for newbies. Their QC/QA isn't great, and their support is a serious weak point. Having said that, the quality and speed of print that I just saw out of one left me stunned. Genuinely shocked.
@BenniShogun 7 місяців тому
I recently purchased an Ender 5S1. I was disappointed at first, but after adding a Sonic Pad it is much better. Going for the K1 Max next.
@Staffii1 6 місяців тому
S1 is better than the K1 Max.
@safargris815 8 місяців тому
Ordered the Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro, like the all metal guide rails. i'm excited to get started printing with it!
@JumpingJack6 8 місяців тому
Could you do a list where you only consider print quality and speed and not adjust for price.
@reasonablebeing5392 6 місяців тому
+1 on the Ender 2 pro - I had the parts from TH3D so I just swapped out the main board for an EZ-board (yeah I had to make adapter cables), added EZ ABL and flex plate and upgraded the power supply to a Meanwell and a metal extruder. It sits on my desk for protos and also to take with me if I need to make a practical print on demand. I wanted it to be bullet-proof and reliable and it is. The prints are high quality every time.
@whatisyouremailid 9 місяців тому
Surprisingly don't see the Kingroon KP3S Pro S1 which you used few days back. Balcony? Flawed? Good ? S tier?
@f1hotrod527 9 місяців тому
Enders are CR-10 clones, not the other way around. CR-10 was the game changing printer from creality, far more than the Ender. The ender was just a cheaper smaller version of the CR-10. I have the original CR-10 and It prints just as high quality as the Bambu X1C we have where I work (just a lot slower). Now the CR-10 models you show are boring, not because of the Ender series, just because they did not really improve on the CR-10 in a large way, and they are bed slingers, and you can say any bed slinger is boring at this point.
@rmfberry261 9 місяців тому
i was questioning myself i swore the cr10 was out first.
@channelnotfound403 7 місяців тому
But didn't the Ender 3 start out as a all in one printer? Cause I know the CR-10 didn't start that way, with the huge box sitting at the side. That's probably one of the reason why it gets it own tier and not considered a clone.
@f1hotrod527 7 місяців тому
@@channelnotfound403 yes the cr-10 does have the separate control box and it is one thing I don’t like about mine. I still think the CR-10 was the printer that put Creality on the map and was more of a pioneer than Ender. The aluminum construction with V wheels was brought my the CR-10.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Ok I had to step up to defend the position because your rating there was just devistatingly unfair to such amazing enginuity. Its upside down for many reasons. 1. It's designed to be as small as possible, having it upside down means you don't need a cube to support the opposite side from the print head saving space. 2. It let's you still get a view of the first layer through the bed which is awesome. 3. It gets literally the best bridging you've ever seen because gravity is in your side when youre upside down. 4. The moving mass is closer to the bae meaning it's one of the most stable designs possible, short of drilling your printer directly into concrete. 5. Just look at the damn thing!!! Can you believe one college dude designed that? Freaking amazing!
@themechanic6151 6 місяців тому
what are you talking about my guy?
@BeefIngot 6 місяців тому
@@themechanic6151 Did you watch the video? The Positron.
@themechanic6151 6 місяців тому
@@BeefIngot oh I see now, you said position earlier so it confused me. I watched a video on it. That thing is sick
@BeefIngot 6 місяців тому
@@themechanic6151 You now see why I called this man out on his absolute slander of my poor boy.
@aberodriguez4149 9 місяців тому
Lol I wound out in the Clone Trooper area ! The Ender Series :( ZZZZZ Great Tier List it will point me in the right direction, thanks for sharing
@A13tech 8 місяців тому
thanks for the video. I have two enders 3. Im just sick of keeping them going. A few tens of kg of the material printed and I dont want to deal with them anymore. This video help me to choose a next one. Probably P1S or K1max or let see if something new will come before christmas.
@dexxeve9420 9 місяців тому
WORTH A WATCH TO A QUICK ROUNDUP OF ALL 3D PRINTERS TO DATE 2023
@petercallison5765 9 місяців тому
Try the latest firmware update on the K1 Max, it has improved the first layer.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I heard it was bricking some ppl's printers... Or was that a different update?
@AndrewAHayes 9 місяців тому
Your statement that no-one likes delta printers is inaccurate although I think it was made in jest, I love delta printers and I know many other people do, if no one liked delta printers why hasn't FL Sun stopped making them and jumped on the i3 bandwagon?
@NM-wd7kx 9 місяців тому
Didn't flsun start with an i3 clone? If anything that leans into your point though
@ThinkHarderPlz 8 місяців тому
Great video! Thinking of getting a P1s. Who needs the AMS? I want to print model airplane parts and woodworking tools. Would I miss it if I didn’t get it? This will be my first printer.
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Some people really like the AMS. But if you are just making functional items with no color changes, I think it would be easier to go without it, and pick one up later if you decide you need it
@ThinkHarderPlz 8 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobotsThanks for the response! Would you choose the P1S over the Qidi X+ 3 or the Creality K1? I like that they are bigger but from what I understand the P1S prints higher quality.
@artvist1438 8 місяців тому
I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER! I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Ender 3 V3 is a great printer, especially for a first printer. Don’t sweat it!
@airingcupboard 9 місяців тому
Will there be a review of the Mingda X2? Or is it already is pieces after landing in the street?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
They offered to send me a 2nd one... So We'll see
@Joaolages 9 місяців тому
Can you tell me what software are you using (drag and drop) ?
@mpariente2877 8 місяців тому
Thanks. What a great job. In not sure what should I get for 500. Should I buy an mk3s+ or an ender 3 se?
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
SE in my opinion
@apptech1350 7 місяців тому
I’d love to see your opinion on the new Bambu labs A1 mini coming out soon
@bpc4209 9 місяців тому
Lol, why does Nathan always look like he just woke up? j/k man love the channel!
@dangerous8333 9 місяців тому
Haha, so true. I love that about him actually.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Day in the life of a UKpostsr (this is more accurate than I care to admit) ukposts.info/have/v-deo/aKBjZIiWfa5m1KM.html
@glenncol 9 місяців тому
What about the Elegoo 3 Pro and the Neptune 4 Pro
@earlowens998 9 місяців тому
The P1P is an excellent printer that is currently $599. At that price point, the quality of the prints without modifications, the availability of modifications both for sale and that can be user created and the apps that give users control without requiring genius or professional levels, the P1P kicks everyone else's butt at that price point. The Prusa MK4 is way too expensive for a bed slinger. BTW I have a a MK4 on order so I can complain about spending too much for a bed slinger.
@astrakartoffel4676 8 місяців тому
The P1P is amazing, but i see no reason to get the P1P over the P1S because its only 100 bucks more expensive, u got like almost the same enclosure as the X1 even with the carbon filter
@iikkakonola 9 місяців тому
Just a thought here, your videos had a lot more sensible content just 6 months ago. Now there are tons of videos with not that much real content. Happy to see that channel has grown, but maybe quality is fluctuating a bit...?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
UKposts wants the content train to go Chooo choooooooooooo
@PeakByte 8 місяців тому
Ender 3 S1 Plus? 300x300? 150mm speed and 300C?
@soapy5343 9 місяців тому
The upside down design makes the positron compact and the belts make it insanely fast
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I still don’t understand. Was it designed by an Australian or something?
@soapy5343 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots the design means it doesn't need arms on the side, allowing it to fit inside a filament box
@soapy5343 9 місяців тому
Not sure if you've seen this but the video sums up the design ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kI-CgK6Ljaqqz5s.html
@user-uq9yo1cx9u 9 місяців тому
How about Lerdge ix? It's the only printer which doesn't need a computer to do any setting on it. That must be worth being on a board
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I had firmware issues on the first Lerdge product I tested. It would immediately set the hotend to 200C upon powering it on...
@petercallison5765 9 місяців тому
Your next video should on the best machines to be ugraded. What's the cheapest path to a top tier machine?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I like the neptune 4 because it is essentially a fully upgraded Ender 3. Better part cooling, higher flow nozzle, klipper, dual z axis, ABL, direct drive extruder, all metal hotend, etc etc etc. So that would be the cheapest option. Additional upgrades could be added if you feel it needs some. Cheapest option for an enclosed printer is probably flying bear ghost 6 on Klipper. I have a hunch that the Ghost 7 may come stock with klipper, which would be awesome.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Strong opinion: The answer is no printer. It's never worth your time to buy a crappy printer then upgrade it. You're way better off just buying a better one from the get go. If I had a gun to my head though, I'd say a Vezbot. Easy enough to mod, and clearly an enthusiast printer.
@rainmannoodles 8 місяців тому
Ultimaker: for when you want Ender 3 quality at Prusa XL pricing.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Lol, but really though, theyrre for a different audience. That audience wants the air filter and filament station and filament rack and employee training. Too that audience, 500 bucks vs 5000 bucks is no difference.
@TBerq 8 місяців тому
I’m looking to buy my first 3D printer. You said you prefer Elegoo Neptune 4 instead of the pro version because is it quieter. 4 is $300 and 4 pro is $400 including tax in Turkey. Would you say the pro isn’t worth it for the extra $100?
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Yes, pro version does not offer any real speed increase. It just uses metal wheels that are more proprietary and probably louder
@TBerq 8 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots Thanks. Would I have any problem with the wheel being propreitary? I wasn’t able to find many retailers that sell 3D printer parts and the ones that do are expensive. Maybe I should look into buying cheap parts from China. I was thinking of making a small business out of 3D printing. I’ve been researching a lot and think this is the best machine for me to buy right now. Do you think it’s worth to wait for Creality Ender 3 V3 SE?
@olafmarzocchi6194 9 місяців тому
Which software did you use for that grid with drag and drop?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Link in description (my patreon explains) :3
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Paywall microtransaction UKpostsr Meta
@samuelmiller916 3 місяці тому
to be honest ive used the formlabs printer at work and I think of it as the prusa of resin printing since it just works.
@JosephStory 9 місяців тому
lk5 24:45 I'd add that it's a single z motor drive as well. Way better out there for less money now.
@doron910 3 місяці тому
I can't decide between the KE and the K1! Both at a reasonable price. The K1 is a corexy but it means it's more complex to mess around with and I also read it makes more noise..
@1fareast14 9 місяців тому
32:44 the 100, a fork of the rook for speed printing is also worth mentioning (never mind, you did :) )
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
:P
@kostek83 8 місяців тому
I'm just at the stage of choosing my first fdm printer. I've only used resin printers so far. I'm thinking about something not too expensive, but so that I don't regret it right away. Maybe someone can help me choose. In my country, of those that caught my eye, the ender 3 v3 se and neptune 4 are at a similar price. Prusa mini is almost twice as expensive. Can you recommend something else under $500?
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Wait 2 weeks ;)
@kostek83 8 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots thers something one the horizon ?
@kostek83 8 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots so its something worth waiting for coming? Im really new to fdm printing so im not up to date with news
@raphofthehills4405 7 місяців тому
@@kostek83 I think he is refering to the Bambu A1 mini. $300 base, $450 with AMS.
@nf8721 8 місяців тому
Bought my first printer (Neptune 4) without much knowledge about them and seems I made the right choice
@dominikmarc4820 9 місяців тому
It's flying bear after all, right... RIGHT?
@onestopfunstop317 9 місяців тому
The Ender3 S1 Pro is Excellent. I have a bunch of them. I run ABS around the clock. 24/7. Zero Problems. Need to manually level about once a month. Then it's just, print, print, print.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Nice 👍
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Sometimes boring printer is a good thing 😃
@scottramos7949 8 місяців тому
How about adding the some of the printers from Lulzbot?
@TMS5100 9 місяців тому
What about the boron nitride tier?
@kwedl 9 місяців тому
I got a Kingroon KLP1 two weeks ago and it's one of the worst printers i have owned so far. Corexy and those speeds/specs sound great at the price, but their Klipper configs are horrible and their cura profile is completely useless, they basicly just cranked everything up to max and even after hours and hours i can't get a decent pressure advance result. The built quality and overall parts are great, at least the V2 version with the all metal hotend, but aside from that it is basicly useless unless you completely start over from scratch with klipper and cura.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
That's not the end of the world, if it just needs some slicer and klipper tuning that is completely fixable via an over the air update, or by rolling community improvements back into the design.
@kwedl 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots Sadly i have my doubts about community improvements, there are almost no reviews about it, not even the V1 version which has been out for months and you almost can't find any redidt or forum posts about it. And Kingroon customer service is basicly non existent. I emailed them for multiple weeks now and tried to reach them via their site or social media, but no replies.
@03Cmanu 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots , i've got a klp1 too , two days of use and the part fan died , 3 days and it was the THR board , they send me a new one and there was communication error between the thr and the motherboard.They send me another THR and a new motherboard. Same problem. The heated bed support was twisted, the belts almost impossible to tighten without disassembling. And I'm not the only one. Now after many hours of test it seems to work well , i had to modify the steppers current because i think they set them too high and it causes the communications trouble. I'm also waiting for the printhead of the V2 they promise me. And now i use orca slcier , much better than cura. They released an emergency V2 like for the KP3S pro v2 which also had a lot of problems. So don't buy if you want a reliable printer.
@mamatuja 9 місяців тому
Have you reviewed any multi color printers?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
No, I have an AMS that I need to try out though. And I am trying to get an IDEX in for review
@mamatuja 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots I built a 3 color single nazzle Delta. I wish I could show it or some prints to you.😁
@JoshBudLight 9 місяців тому
Debating if i should get the qidi tech X-max 3 or the K1 max
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I am working on a X-Plus-3 review right now. X-Max is probably a solid machine. But in the video I will do a rundown of the X-Plus vs K1-Max, and it should give you a pretty good idea of K1 Max vs X-Plus-Max since the X-Plus and X-Max are so similar.
@JoshBudLight 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots Awesome, I look forward to it!
@matthewsmith2385 8 місяців тому
Gotva ender 3 V2 for 100$ did the Cr touch mod and. Changed the bed springs ,Bowden tube and extruder for 60$ I believe it was a good purchase because I'm a beginner
@Mrt1516 8 місяців тому
In my country , the ender 5 s1 is the same price of ankermake m5 Which one do you recommend?
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Gotta be honest, I hate both, but would go with the creality. Why? They have more spares and support(from the community) availibe.Anker doesn't look like they are fully devoted to staying in this business. Also look up the eufy security disaster .
@Mrt1516 8 місяців тому
@@BeefIngot hi, thanks for your reply, i purchased the Elegoo neptune 3 pro, and looks awesome for now
@sumniumdoit8686 9 місяців тому
can you recommend some good upgrades for neptune 3 plus?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
Cht nozzle probably
@MisterkeTube 9 місяців тому
The Prusa XL is too expensive and not enclosed by default, so I'd definitely say it is flawed.
@xXKisskerXx 8 місяців тому
its enclosure.. is a bag. For that price.. at least a basic enclosure where each wall is 2 layers of thin aluminum with a insulating barrier in between would be more in the rage for the cost... I mean.. they are charging enough for it.
@salvatoree.2109 9 місяців тому
Haven't they sent you the Kingroon KLP1 to review?
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
No. They are afraid
@salvatoree.2109 9 місяців тому
Maybe I still have time to cancel my pre-order then 😂
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
🫴
@justiciaparaespana7236 9 місяців тому
I will sell the CR10 V3 because I'm tired with the extruder and also it's heavy for me. I will throw from the balcony... I changed the motor and the extruder and still no working well. The motor skips steps and it provocates constantly clogs but, when It works, it's a great machine. I have my two Ender 3 that I will never sell them and yes... I know that they're a boring 3D printers despite that there are already more fast machines but the maintenance cost is the lowest than the K1. The K1 I'm having bad experience with customer services... The machine is OK but, as you say, the extruder was causing the majority of the problem but also has overheat problems on the conector of the camera from the motherboard. When the motherboard gets hot, the camera dies... So I had to install a Yihome camera to know what's happening on the K1 meanwhile is printing. On the last firmware update from the K1, the printer got frozen and remained with the hotend and the bed hot meanwhile I was outside when, for my opinion, was a great fire risk because it there was an error, it should be turn off everything until I come back home. At this moment I'm building a Voron 0.2 and I'm having fun and learning a lot about everything, but I bought it before summer holidays and I builded the half of the printer. On the future I'm thinking to buy a Prusa MK4 to replace the CR10 V3 because the big one is overprice for me and quite heavy. I know that the Prusa has less volume print surface but I use the CR10 V3 a few times. Greetings from Spain.
@johnle7670 9 місяців тому
Subbed!! Just for the trolls! Lmao
@MatheusFP104 9 місяців тому
I love my V-Core 3. Fantastic printer
@earlowens998 8 місяців тому
The Ender 2 Pro is selling for $125.30 right now. It has a 165 x 165 x 180mm build. It has 4 leveling knobs. you have it on the very good printer's level. I'm amazed. If it is almost worth buying for a novelty to put on the shelf, but I have doubts that it should be on the very good printer's level. I would love to see you justify that.
@reasonablebeing5392 6 місяців тому
See my other comment - this one is not a novelty but the most portable printer I own and great for protos - I have taken it with me to print practical prints real time. And good quality prints. Very good in my book.
@crooker2 5 місяців тому
Bought an Ender 3 V3. Great hardware. Software sucks... So hard. PLEASE someone create a klipper or MriscoC config for the E3V3. :)
@Liberty4Ever 9 місяців тому
11:34 - "They're probably gonna make an Elegoo Neptune 4 Max" YES! That's the printer I'm waiting for. A reliable and easy to maintain bed slinger, with steel rails, Klipper and a large print volume.
@MrBaskins2010 9 місяців тому
damn i was just gonna buy a refurb Sovol SV06 MAX but imma just wait for elegoo's next mixtape lol
@Liberty4Ever 9 місяців тому
@@MrBaskins2010 - The curse of technology. Newer and better stuff is coming. If we wait for it, we won't enjoy the current newer and better stuff, and there's always something newer and better. It's inevitable that larger format Klipper bed slingers are coming. Manufacturers almost always release new technology on a 220 mm machine then follow up with a 300 mm machine. Hopefully, this time, they'll max out the larger and slightly more expensive machines with all of the features we want such as WiFi, UBS port instead of micro SD, steel-on-steel motion control instead of acetyl V rollers, etc. I expect this goodness in a couple of months or less.
@badassspilot 9 місяців тому
I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on the X Max 3, especially compared to the bambu offerings. I have read reports of heat beds being warped a fair bit despite the 6mm thickness, some concerns of the hot end fan and the psu for the chamber heating element being undersized. Have you used industrial 3d printers such as stratasys or comparable ultra expensive machines, do they have any appreciable improvements over the hobbyist grade? I appreciate the brutal honesty and unassuming nature of your work, especially as a legitimate degreed engineer.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
TY, I have used Stratasys machines. They can still have failures, but overall they are optimized for quality and reliability, and ability to print high-grade materials. The cost increase is massive though. You're talking 20x-100x more expensive to run than a hobby machine. Will be checking out the X-Max 3 soon
@alexfeatherstone6676 9 місяців тому
X-plus 3 had the heat chamber warping issue, the xmax3 is built to a higher quality and larger. It doesn't have the issue that the x-plus 3 has
@SingularityAdvent 8 місяців тому
No bullshit review, excellent.🎉
@R.B_B 6 місяців тому
Is anyone using Two Trees models? I use SP 3 and SP5 and are good out of the box. And amazing with a few mods. The structure is very solid.
@califuturist 3 місяці тому
Comprehensive spreadsheet. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@adameq10 7 місяців тому
Please help me! which one should i buy: Kobra 2 pro, or Neptun 4 pro
@NathanBuildsRobots 7 місяців тому
I’d go neptune
@adameq10 7 місяців тому
Mate, can i plug any USB internet camera via build in USB port to this printer? ;)
@ImSoMagic 6 місяців тому
Almost any camera yes, take something compatible with Linux
@omegadeepblue1407 9 місяців тому
The ender 2 really do very well
@banditboy1 6 місяців тому
What about a JG Maker Artist D and Artist D Pro?
@dexxeve9420 9 місяців тому
This is not just a Teir list. but a quick round up review of all the 3D printers or a buyers guide if buying a 3d printer in 2023. So i would say its the most update all round very, very quick to the point review of ALL THE 3D printers out. So the video has double value for those new to 3d printers and are overwhelmed. Did i mention his a engineer too :). This prob is the best most update video round up of all 3D printers to date WATCH IT if new or want an update to 3D printers. OR else did i mention his an engineer lol
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
"Trust me, I'm an engineer" It works in every situation
@bliska8434 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots based on your statements in this video, I question your engineering credentials. Engineers can tell the difference between accessories and printers... AMS and Sonic Pad/clone on a printer list, janky printers in S-tier with Vorons. RatRig, Prusa Mk4 and an ender clone as "Average". Having personally used the majority of these printers, your list lacks education.
@MalignSociety 9 місяців тому
Nathan only missed 6 or 7 times.@@bliska8434
@dexxeve9420 9 місяців тому
@@bliska8434 SLAP!!
@Rob-vt1mz 5 місяців тому
I agree 100% it's overwhelming doing research. I'm a first time buyer with a $200-$300 budget for Black Friday 2023 on Amazon, I'm in the market for a 3D printer suitable for my diverse hobbies, including woodworking and fish keeping (4' tank), RC Airplanes, quads. At this price range, I'm trying to balance equipment quality with bed size. Top of entry level price point & bottom of mid range price point is a bit of a pain. Majority at my flying field have enders. (one guy with a 3d printed zero. Very nice) A couple guys with higher end models. While many recommend Ender printers, I'm wary of their common issues and the need for extensive modding. I'm not worried about the skill to mod but more the time for it. I'm willing to invest in a higher-quality printer within my budget and explore firmware options like Klipper and Orca. Nathan's videos have been helpfull in my research. Majority of others I've seen are more like adcopy. Working on getting my list down to the top 3 or 4 now and Q'n up the wishlist for tomorrow.
@JosephLorentzen 5 місяців тому
How about arranging each level according to MSRP?
@impaque 8 місяців тому
What about Ender 3 V2 Neo?
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Ender 3 clone tier. Not really bringing anything new to the market, especially compared to ender 3 V3 SE
@impaque 8 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots it supports 0.05 layer height as well, though, since I'm new to this I don't know how important that is.
@ulyssesdraco 9 місяців тому
The Neptune 4 and SV07 are ten dollars in difference right now, so for $269 you can get the Sv07 with wifi functionality. There has also been some talk of a possible SV07 Plus with a larger print area coming out sometime this year.
@lun7n 8 місяців тому
People have a lot of problems with the sv07. Also, both the Neptune 4 and sv07 are heavily flawed having v rollers with such high speed capacity.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
@@lun7n I just want to take the time to join you in hating vrollers. They're just such an awful motion system. Bad wear and tear, unpredictable and worse than normal precision,the ability to get flat spots by sitting for awhile , gunning up other components with the rubber dust for no positive tradeoff and the list goes on and on. I hate that it became the standard for cheap printers.
@ArchonLicht 6 місяців тому
What about that smaller cheaper Qidi X-smart 3? It's price is very compelling.
@lucase764 9 місяців тому
I regret purchasing a Prusa MK3S. I agree with your rating. It costs too much. The print quality is ok. The stock cooling isn't very good. Their customer service is fantastic though.
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
1 year ago, it’s be an A. Now, it’s more like a B, even with the MK4 upgrade, which is a little underwhelming
@lucase764 9 місяців тому
@@NathanBuildsRobots I probably shouldn't be so hard on the MK3S. There are things I like about it.
@dme2453 9 місяців тому
My MK3S turns out some amazing prints. I’ve been afraid to upgrade it.
@YoruPlay3r 3 місяці тому
im gonna be totally honest i came here to see where my first and only printer the anycubic kobra 2 now upgraded to anycubic kobra 2 pro ranked and i totally agree with your ranking i am now writing this comment and dipping thanks for putting my printer where it rightfully belongs
@timothyreyes5392 9 місяців тому
I'd love to see a Nathan with an F boi look not someone who looks like they just woke up 😂😂
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
Prusa mini with a not all metal hotend in current year still missing featured they promised years ago, taking up very similar space to a mk3 while not having much build volume, having notorious ender 3 like ptfe tube lineup issues, a price you could get a neptune 4 for.... I personally think it's absolutely nowhere near s tier. It want even s tier when it came out imo
@maxharnisch314 9 місяців тому
Sooo, where is the link to the tier list ??????
@maxharnisch314 9 місяців тому
Oops, seen it now.
@NextOnes 8 місяців тому
I would like to see a review of Formon core
@DezoTuts 9 місяців тому
the 2.4 is the big brother to the trident, and i have to disagree with putting the mini+ in with likes of vzbot and trident
@dangerous8333 9 місяців тому
Big brother in what regard? All I know is that I would much rather build a Trident than a 2.4.
@DezoTuts 9 місяців тому
@@dangerous8333 in regards to it being voron version 2 and trident being 1. it came after the development of the trident, its so much more popular than the trident. its a more complex build... bigger brother in almost every way. i built a trident for the speed capability i dont feel like the 2.4 has a rigid enough gantry for higher speeds being thats its hanging. most people build whats new and thats why there are so many more 2.4s than tridents
@2151hunter 9 місяців тому
Using Kobra2 I can say that it should go to C-tier. The metal rails and metal gears is a fail - the printer CAN print fast but you don't want to be in the same room- the whole frame is resonating and it's a pain hearing it running. And you can find a lot of people complaining for the same issues. Yes, it's more durable than rubber V-wheels in the extrusion slots, but it just doesn't work...
@NathanBuildsRobots 9 місяців тому
I’m reviewing it now,m and editing the video, completely agree. This thing is not a standout in any way, just another boarding Ender 3 clone, albeit with some interesting features
@sierraecho884 5 місяців тому
Did you forget the Flashforge Adventurer 5M / 5M Pro ? It´s not a great printer since the Firmware is locked, however it´s the cheapest quality Core XY I could buy for 400€. The Bamu Lab P1P cost 650€ and the K1 430€. I also love the nozzle swap, even thou the hotend cost 25€ but I won´t need them regulary anyway, I still use the same Nozzle on my current 3D Printer from 2019.
@benhicks8271 8 місяців тому
What about the sunlu printers
@daliasprints9798 9 місяців тому
Epic troll video. 😂
@tampajoeyz230 3 місяці тому
No MakerGear Ultra One?
@kennedysamarakody4925 6 місяців тому
What do you think of flashforge adventurer 3
@sierraecho884 5 місяців тому
It´s a bad printer, really bad review overall. I got the Adventurer 5M instead.
@IOERROR622 8 місяців тому
You rank the K1 above the P1P? What. Also the P1S is S tier over the P1P when they are nearly the same printer but had an enclosure but 90% of the people only print in pla or maybe petg which both print the same.
@SkateSoup 2 місяці тому
"When you have a longer tube, you end up with more friction." 🤣💀🤣
@NathanBuildsRobots 2 місяці тому
It's not absolutely true. But it's mostly true.
@Liberty4Ever 9 місяців тому
19:30 - "I literally threw this one off of a balcony so I'm gonna have to put it in D tier. If I didn't do that, I'd definitely put it in A or B." This is a strange rating system. 😛 44:30 - The Ghost 6 is redeemed, from off-the-balcony D tier to A tier. 😀
@limoranch 4 місяці тому
Deltas are so much easier to program to work with non-planar printing and the slopes and curves are just beautiful and almost impossible to do on an rail printers.
@FNMClips910 9 місяців тому
What about ELEGOO?
@MisterDeets 9 місяців тому
I can fill you in on my experience with the Reborn 2 from Flying Bear. It tried to burn my place to the ground more than once with the stock firmware. The preheat setting using the built in screen would sometimes cause the printer's computer to lock up and no longer respond to anything (probably some infinite loop built into the firmware). I fixed it's homicidal tendencies by converting the printer to Klipper (that isn't very easy to do because the instructions aren't in english). The company was not very good to deal with when it came down to fixing the damage from the overheating. They forced me to prove that the parts were damaged before they would replace them (nevermind the video I posted on youtube with the glowing red smouldering hot end with deformed/melted cooling fan ducts ukposts.info/have/v-deo/b32pgKGdeXqTtoE.html). They were an insulting nightmare to deal with considering what happened. There are issues with this printer that no reviewer I've seen has addressed. The prints have a belt or motor noise artifact that is very evident on the prints. It is fine for functional parts, but not for anything that could be considered art unless you really like sanding and bondo.
@rockman9h02m 9 місяців тому
fwiw i own one and i'll be posting some neat mods for it. i think the frame still is a good base to start with. The rest of it though is kinda garbage as you've experienced. Perhaps reborn 2 english-speaking owners should make a server :)
@MisterDeets 9 місяців тому
@@rockman9h02m Does yours have the belt/motor noise artifacts in the prints as well? Pretty sure it's motor noise issues.
@BeefIngot 8 місяців тому
God that sounds awful. That's well 0ast the "never buy, even as a base" tier of awful.
@larss207 9 місяців тому
great video!
@ThirtyFiveOldBrush 8 місяців тому
just subbscribed..cool channel..may i ask you a feedback cause m struggling wich choise is bettere between k1max quidi xmax3 and a p1s with ams....in term of quality that is my first goal...the others ar more usable cause are bigger but the ams is phenomenal to have.....m so confuse... thanks so much for your time and anyone else want to join this comment ;) cheers from italy
@ValeriOS_3d_printing 7 місяців тому
Deltas are machines for expert users, but it doesn’t mean they’re C tier at all. People are only able to criticize without even knowing what they are talking about. And it isn’t the first time on this channel that this happens. I Hope that people understand the real potential of deltas printers, not for nothing they are used in industrial applications (I’ve never seen a corexy kinematic used inside of an industry) That said, happy printing on your delta printers
@TKettle 5 місяців тому
My first printer was an flsun and it's been dead reliable. There's nothing "expert" about it. I haven't needed to touch it except for adding a nice magnetic bed. Sad he thinks they're bad because he doesn't understand how they work. A delta has less bearings than most other printers. Just one for each arm (3 total), whereas a prusa I think has two for each axis (6 total). To me, a standard printer shaking the shit out of the print and bed on the Y axis doesn't make much sense. There's no way that could ever be fast and you're gonna have way more problems with bed adhesion.
@xXKisskerXx 8 місяців тому
~delta printers are amazingly fast - their only real flaw, is they tend to be quite small print volume. ~bowden tubes are fine in almost all the applications you said were bad - I think you are quite heavily biased or misinformed, direct drive, is not better - they both have their pros and cons. ~the upside down printer - works, and "they" aren't making them, 1 person designed and got it going. Honestly, it's amazing, and one of the few portable ones (designed to fit into a spool box) as for your disgust with it - why print right side up? Just because your used to it? ~odd how you find 'more parts" a bad thing - when actually most of the "bigger built for speed" need more parts, to keep them sturdy and able to accelerate well, or handle the weight of prints as they go for large format printers. "the majority cost of a 3D printer is in the Hot End" - this is not factual on most printers, very cheap printers may suffer from this - but honestly - especially when you pay $1,000 for a printer- only about 25% of that is in the hotend area, especially as the hotend, is just the heating element, cooling of the hotend, and nozzle really... a ceramic heating coil element, titanium heat break, and aluminum cooler with fan - is less than $75, and it will print just about anything (up to 300C)
@Brian-S 9 місяців тому
After upgrading the cooling fans, moving to klipper and using the sv06 for a few weeks I've been loving it. Though I wish I would of waited for the Neptune 4 pro
@mattclay4 9 місяців тому
So I have a Voron Trident 350 and 0.1 as well as a Prusa Mini and Ender 2 Pro. I could recommend all these printers honestly, but the Prusa Mini is the one I would have if I could only pick one, simply due to the size and simplicity, if I had to pick only one printer to have overall it would be a smaller Trident.
@greenman360 8 місяців тому
Seeing the E3V3 in S Tier saved me a lot of time, lmao. It might be a good printer, and considering the price it could even be very good. But best of the best? LOL.
@NathanBuildsRobots 8 місяців тому
Value, as in price to performance, is very important for me.
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