Cool, but didn't answer the question with like for like Thunderbolt 4 cables. Why is Apple TB4 $130, OWC TB4 $60 and Anker TB4 $30?

@@ThreeDigitIQ they didn't want to tell the reality that apple is greedy as hell and has cultists for customers, OWC is good quality but they don't have huge manufacturing power behind them (so their cost is high), Anker is high quality and has huge manufacturing cost behind them.

130$ is for a cable for idiots with too much money.

Why not compare a non apple Thunderbolt 4 cable with Apples Thunderbolt 4 cable, y'all tested USB-C against Thunderbolt 4 and they aren't the same thing.

​@@ThreeDigitIQyeah, they didn't even test any other Thunderbolt cables because they wanted the Apple cable to look way more "advanced" 😂

Than it won't be a good advert ;)

Steve will be sad reading your coment...

100% agree. Please do that @tested

I agree. I was having a problem with this as soon as I saw it. They are not really comparing USB Type C cables, they are comparing as you mentioned TB4 vs standard Type C cables. That's not "Apples to Apples" (See what I did there) These are cables for different purposes. The standard Apple cable as used on iPhones and iPads are crap. I also would mention that Thunderbolt is not an Apple invention, It is an Intel invention.

​@@anoid3433Oh, I see what you did there. 😏

I agree, this is like comparing apples with oranges. There are Thunderbolt cables that cost like 25 to 50 dollars/euros, instead of 5 or 10. Which is still like 5 to 2,5 times cheaper than what apple is doing. I would agree that seeing the engineering behind it is impressive, but you would be a fool to think you need a cable of 130 euros/dollars for everyday stuff. (An Apple a day keeps your money away.)

Apple fan boys getting paid by apple, such nonsense. Not comparing like for like on purpose. Trying to justify Apple prices

This is a guerilla advert, not a tested video

Comparing a USB 2.0 cable, designed for 480Mbps, to a Thunderbolt cable designed for 40Gbps feels disingenuous at best. They should probably have stated that these cables, while using the same connector (USB-C), are targeting different speeds/generations explicitly. IMO.

Which is to a large degree why the EC's mandate to use a USB-C connector is relatively meaningless. The USBIF _could've_ specified that a cable's capabilities be imprinted on the cable end, but that would've increased the cost and would've produced an amazing assortment of fraudulent specifications for the cables, so instead they punted.

They left that out cuz that would be a self report on how much of a scam 130$ for a cable is

note when he says the cable acts as a receiver and transmitter antenna

I think you will find that one of these cables can charge high power devices and the other cant. Simple as that. USBC fast charging is not possible over basic usb-c cables like the one shown, at least not for fast charging devices. For example my digital camera or my laptop cannot charge with the basic cables, only thunderbolt. The question for me, is, does the expensive apple cable last as long as a dirt cheap usb-c cable? Or does it have intermittent connection after mild use just like every apple brand lightning/iphone/ipod cable that has ever been produced.

@@russellc.2261 you can buy 3 meter long USB-C cables that can charge 100 watt from reputable brands for like 15 bucks, what are you talking about????

​@@russellc.2261 That's not quite right. There are many standards for fast charging over USB-C, most of which are not Thunderbolt, and do not require Thunderbolt cables. It would be a mistake to buy Thunderbolt cables for devices that don't support Thunderbolt. For example USB PD is a pretty common standard. The most cheap-ass USB-C cables won't support fast charging, and you can have problems with garbage from sketchy randomly-generated Chinese brands on Amazon. But I don't have any issues with my $10-15 USB PD 100w cables from semi-reputable brands, even charging my 16" Macbook Pro which uses the full 100w (when plugged to a good quality 100w USD PD charger). Where you get into trouble is there's so many god damn different standards, like: USB PD, Qualcomm Quick Charge, Samsung Fast Charge, etc. etc.; you have to make sure your device, cable and charger all support the same standard. The differentiating feature of Thunderbolt is NOT AT ALL charging speed, it's the higher rate of data transfer which enables stuff like plugging multiple high resolution monitors into a single Thunderbolt 4 port. With a cheap Thunderbolt 4 cable it might work ok if the cable is short and you don't push it but you might run into issues when you try to use the full data transfer capacity, like if you try using a Thunderbolt dock with multiple monitors, an ethernet cable, a USB hard drive, etc. all plugged in at the same time. The reason this cable is super expensive is that it's difficult to maintain the signal quality required for 40Gbps data transfer over longer distances. Thunderbolt 4 cables longer than 1m are pretty rare. Buying a cable like this just for charging would be a huge waste of money.

I agree, this is an apples to oranges comparison. Still an interesting video but could have compared with cheaper thunderbolt cables.

Ty for saving me from watching the rest of the video

yeah.. probably no one would buy it unless they are connecting some professional tools that requires constant fast and accurate data transmission to their computer

100$ agree, apples and oranges

Also I believe I've heard somewhere that Apple puts some kind of firmware on their cable to detect whether it's connected to an Apple product or not

From a tech/science aspect this video was a bit annoying because they treated both of these VERY different cables like they were the same.

Yeah, these cables aren't meant to be used for the same purposes. I'm not going to be using a $130 Thunderbolt 4 cable to charge my phone.

Yeah I'm disappointed too. A comparison between Apple's TB4 cable and other TB4 cables would have been more interesting.

I think this is non-obvious to most people, since the cables mostly look the same. People know how to distinguish cables by connector, but to tell them apart by spec or standard is for the tech-savvy

They knew all of that when they made the "commercial".

However, that kind of resolution could provide invaluable scientific data from post-mortem examination. Even better, stored for future researchers. A big enough data repository could lead to more sensitive and cheaper (maybe AI-assisted) diagnostic procedures requiring less harmful scan as input.

This is the funniest thing I read all day. Literally laughed out loud. Thank you!

I can relate.. I still can't think straight after my last CT scan......🤪

uggh i still remember plugging my updated ipod into the charger i had, it starting from 0 and STOPPING as soon as it turns on because it realised it wasnt their expensive apple crap. YOU WERE CHARGING 2 SECONDS AGO. hhhhhh

Definitely

@@RitzStarr If Apple made cars.... Don't they run on gas? No only our "special" gas. Aren't they just electric? No only our "special" electricity.

@@pepperfish_ the apple car is canceld

@@Neuer_Alias_erstellen And this would be why... ;)

that's exactly what they should have done instead of comparing to the cheapest charging cable. and amazon basics junk.

And compare if the added chips provide any speed improvement.

And a lot more valid / meaningful. Just like comparing a $30K car to a $300K car, you're going to get big quality and performance differences. So what? (As long as the customer knows what they're getting re the marketing, published specs, etc).

It would be "interesting", aka "not disingenuous"

@@rogergeyer9851 you are correct. 30k vs 300k is nonsense, but it would be better to see 200k vs 300k and see if any of the fancy things in the 300k is actually good or just fluff

Apple tax is like +150%, we all know that much..

Agreed, this video is a nonsense Apple shill video. I would expect better from this team. Rubbish.

_That_ would have actually provided useful information. And if the Apple product is genuinely superior, would still have functioned as an advertisement (like, "Look, we know it's expensive but it really IS [much] better than the [much] cheaper _actual_ competition").

@@anonymes2884 100% what i was insinuating ☺️✌️ if the engineering is this excellent then trashy tired meme’s have no place. I think proper investigation is apt !

​@@alphadog5676 Agree

all they did was examine different paint jobs. the idea that the apple cable prevents "RF interference" is ridiculous. I feel pity for Adam that he is forced to do commercials like this.

When did they say there were going to do testing?

@@juan2049 "Adam Savage's Tested". Emphasis on "tested".

@@WolfHeathenDon’t be a clown. Read the title of the video

​@@thomasneal9291 im a video guy and can assure you there is a big difference in real world speeds but theyre not comparing it to other thunderbolt cables which can be had for a quarter of the price which is the problem

You're absolutely right. This is one reason microphone cables are often "balanced line" as well (the + and - versions of the signal run alongside each other and are subtracted at the other end, which also subtracts the noise in each cable from the noise in the other cable - these tend to be almost identical so cancel out).

@@macronencer Yeah, they kind of glossed over that, not to mention the whole digital bits thing is way oversimplified.

Flat cables used twisted pairs also.

But finding such a thing amid all the greedy cash grab bs is nearly impossible - like finding a bone needle in a haystack ...

Anker cables would be a good start

problem is that they compared a THUNDERBOLT cable to a regular type-C cable. Expensive vs. Cheap type-C would have been good to see. This is just an advertisement for Apple's thunderbolt cable. Since Apple is not familiar with Type-C, they might need to be educated that a thunderbolt is different from a regular charging type-c cable.

but then that will go against their paid shilling that apple products are the end all be all... 60-100$ will get you a great alternative if you get one with similar specifications. but hey... clearly adam savage [the guy who for years taught people not to believe everything they hear use their brain to think] is willing to think of his viewers as idiots who don't know there is more to specs than just "shared plug size/shape" for the right price.

Would have needed more than a 20 min video. They kept the scope small on purpose.

Not just a USB-C cable, but a USB-C cable to a USB 2.0 cable with Type C plugs.

Why not fair?? Apple cable price is same as thunderbolt's cable!

@@Syonaga_Auron777 It *is* a Thunderbolt cable.

Yes! It would be more reasonable to compare only standard USB-C cables and/or to also include thunderbolt cables from other brands. This is comparing apples to oranges.

as far as I know, usb type c cables, doesn't come with basic specs, because there are none, even as far as pd, they are not the same, because there are some without pd functions correct me if I'm wrong

Yeah, I love Tested and Adam, but this video is embarrassing. Feels like a FUD campaign sponsored by Apple.

They know that and did it on purpose to make Apple's awful cable look better.

Yup, "here we have two cars, a Golf Diesel and a Ferrari - Oh Gosh! The expensive one is faster and have more technology in it😮" But then again, that's how commercials are done: "compared to this much simpler thing, our thingy is more advanced " 😂🤦

And it was a cheap straight thou direct wired to pins usb-c cable you be lucky if it will even do rapid/fast charging or lucky if data works (don't believe data works on these cables) the high-speed/100w capable usb-c ones I normally buy have a chip in them like TB4 cable (I usually have issues with the non chip usb-c cables)

Exactly this.. would have preferred to see a fair comparison. There are much cheaper thunderbolt cables out there that do the same job as the apple cable for a lot less money.

Hey, next up on Tested they're going to compare Cat 8 Ethernet cables/Data cables to RJ9 telephone cables.

You'd think they would know the difference? A tech channel indeed

Calm down bud. It's to showcase the level of engineering in the lastest standards.

Since they all have the same USB-C-plug people would think they do or at least should do the same things. Most people then wonder why some cables are 10x the price of others. This here is VERY good information. NO they are not doing the same things, and WOW.. Now it's suddenly impressive that the Apple-cable cost SO LITTLE as $130. 😂

@@Johnny-Joseph There are still $50 cables with the same technology. This video is an Apple ad.

special cable case sold separately, only $99.99

They do know the difference. But they are pretending like it's the same thing to advertise a product without saying it.

Oh they know. They just didn't think anyone else would. This is shady AF and super disingenuous, even for a 20 minute Apple ad.

Apple lost the battle to keep their proprietary lightning cable. So they make their USB-C ports not work as efficiently unless you're using their proprietary USB-C cable.

Finally someone with a functioning brain!

That's not it, USB-C and Thunderbolt are different, most Thunderbolt cables don't cost a days wages though, so this seems like a stealth add since the only Thunderbolt shown was Apples.@@TheValorious

or better yet, a TB4/USB4 40 gbps 100w cable i got a belkin one for $75

Look up OWC. They've been around since 1988 and have made aftermarket stuff for Apple forever... for 1/3rd the price.

true but it not an apple standard, apple only using because the where pushed by the EU, but why an apple verion in $130, it hopefully going to be made better, but as the without to much effect, one can got $5, version that nearly every phone, pad, etc, and and do use, $10+ cable, where's $120, gone?

Exactly, its basically an Apple commercial and a bad one at that...comparing apples to oranges lol

FAR too much advertising on this channel lately. FAR too much. Even the "fun" interviews with the mythbusters former producer was basically just a sneaky advert for his new tv show.

Either that or undisclosed advert, which is illegal (I think, not a US citizen)

Yeah, this is like comparing two completely different standards... Kind of disappointing

Absolutely there was a great deal of understanding here, which is why the apple advertisers chose cables they knew wouldn't hold up for comparison.

The video is terrible and it feels like it's just sponsored by Apple. It's basically propaganda/ FUD.

Not only is it a USB c. It's a USB 2.0 charging cable....

Its like " look at this comparrison from a McLaren P1 vs this 1998 Chevrolet"

It would have been nice indeed, perhaps this would help convince them to make a follow-up video. I wonder how much it cost them to get the CT scan... in both time and actual dollars.

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It has been done elsewhere. What you end up with is understanding why the Apple cable here is the only cable of this sort that offers this performance over this distance on the market. It costs what it costs for a reason. It is a much simpler problem (relatively) to meet the spec at a shorter distance.

Knowing Apple and history of putting chips in cables, it would not surprise me if is not compatible with non-Apple devices, or does scale back to USB2.

@@jamespeirce2582 99% of Monoprice's higher quality cables (not their cheapest ones) are able to perform like Apple's cables and usually run about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost and some have lifetime warranty. Unless your Apple device is making you money (professional photographer or something along that line) most people could get by with a quality Anker or Monoprice cable. Much better than the "Great Quality" cables Frys used to sell.

My guy, there are cables out there that are worth more than your car. Depending on what you are doing and what you want, you WILL pay that much for them.

@@sujimayne Full 5000ft spools of solid copper conductors used in high amp applications (large scale solar fields for example) are only a few thousand $. If you buy cables that cost more than your car, I have a couple bridges to sell you.

@@ZyxlianIt's not the big spools of thick conductors that are expensive. It is the multi-stranded, multi conductor, high data throughput, harsh environment cables with special connectors on the ends that cost a bunch of money. We have paid thousands for a single undersea cable.

@@gl1klvr Expensive cables is just bs. You can literally slap gold and diamonds on anything to add value.

​@sujimayne the gold spun fiber optic wiring on the space shuttle was probably up there but doesn't mean Apple needs to charge a bunch for junk...that wiring probably cost more than your cave...keep riding that apple 🍆 tho....

Agreed they have different specifications so why are they comparing them

I was expecting that new EU USBC cable they released. Thunderbolt was designed to be powering like monitors and external hard drives at fast speeds. It definitely was not made to be a 'USB-C' cable, which is normally used for like phones and tablets. It's like taking a fiber connection and comparing it to gigbit. Yeah they both transfer data but one has a very narrow use and is why it costs so much more.

Sure you can. It is actually good to look at the vast range. Also you say "regular USB-C" like that is a real thing. This standard is the wild west.

​​@@AdamHarteyes, to most, an USB-C cable is just a cable for charging your phone. Thunderbolt cables are not your usual USB-C. They are for fast data transfers between devices that utilize Thunderbolt spec'ed cables that so happen to have the USB-C connector. This video is just an commercial for overly priced Apple cable. You can get better Thunderbolt cables for much much cheaper then what apple is selling.

​@@WillFuIto showcase the newest technology in cables... It's not a product review buddy.

Got to love socialized “free” government healthcare. Come to the states and you don’t have to wait long to get one. When I was in Canada on a church mission I knew of a lot of people that went went over the border to get certain things done cause it was way faster than waiting on the lists up there. Best of luck for you hope you get the help you need.

I have never waited for an MRI. I have straight gotten them multiple times in an ER visit. What's going on up there??

@@craftingthemines1486socialized medicine. You often get placed on waiting lists that are super long and they prioritize them based on age and need. I know a few older people that died on the waiting list for treatments since they are older they get placed down the list so sometimes they don’t make it to the service.

Go see a different doctor.

Mislead?? They compared two different cable standards against each other, WTF kind of researched are they doing here? My 13yr old knows the difference...

Well, looking at the way they described it, it sounds like they don't really know that much about this anyway...

Came to the comments to say the same thing. Amazing scans but really would have been nice to show a cheaper thunderbolt cable to maybe help illustrate the differences with the apple cable (if any). Disappointed.

Of course they are shilling for apple no person with tech knowledge about this would compare a basic type c usb to a thunderbolt 4 rated cable thats like comparing a regular passenger plane to air force one.

You’re always going to pay more for Apple compared to reputable 3rd party manufacturers but there’s also a lot of 3rd party manufacturers that cut corners. Like anything if you’re a casual user, not a big deal. But if you’re a pro, time is money so the savings may not be worth the risk.

They should have at least included something more comparable considering they’re comparing a Thunderbolt / USB4 cable to effectively USB2 cables. But at the same time, a LOT of people see the same connector and think they’re the same thing and that one is massively more expensive cause “it’s from Apple” Just look at all the comments saying it being from Apple is the only reason it’s so expensive. People just don’t get it. And they have to understand USB-C is just a connector and the cables arent the same thing before they’ll understand more nuanced differences between more similar cables.

I mean it was exactly what the angry people of Twitter were doing, so some people clearly don’t even understand that much. This is for them if you will.

its sponsored.. so everything apple will be highly impressive in their eyes.

@@Sircivus they literally walked through the obvious differences. They didn’t say anything about Apple as a company or anything that’s not evident by the actual build of the cables. The worst they did was not include another Thunderbolt/usb4 cable to compare to.

@@Sircivus Dude, it's sponsored by Lumafield not Apple, you need to think about what you're saying.

Paid content "This video is part of a sponsored series with Lumafield. " Hidden in the video description

bro don't you know apply only charges so much because they have to pay for that desin somehow lmfao! who is falling for this

@@the_algorithm Lumafield is the scanning company. They could've shown off their scanner when comparing a more realistic range of cables. In fact, it would've been a better show for the tech because they could've shown how their machine picks up enough detail to see the small differences in what are really rather similar cables.

This was a lumafield ad. I'm sure there were some stipulations as to how the final video ends up.

@@Jazz3006 This is true... except when someone pays you to do an advertisement, you do what the money says.

Right? This is more like military grade hardware rather than consumer. Way too overkill for what it does. Apple doing what they've always done - offer a simple concept at an exorbitant price.

@@Adrian2140 I agree!

We use these cables in the film industry for transfering very huge files and real time playback for raw video formats. This cable might not be for everyone because of its price but yeah we use it haha.

Probably only Apple fanboys needs such cable 🤣

@@Direkarenz Yeah, I know that some people will use it. The question is and maybe you have tested this or someone else has. Does this actually give you any tangible benefit Vs a regular thunderbolt 4 cable in reality.

The difference is the amount of data was magnitudes less (Apple's TB4 cable transfers 10^6 times the data per second through compared to 1k) and they weren't as vulnerable to outside interference, partly because the voltage differences weren't that much of a concern, thus you could pump more energy (for the signal, not power) through them so it got to the other side correctly.

@@larsjj2794 yes but can you run an Apple cable hundreds of feet through concrete, all sorts of electromagnetic fields put off by medical equipment like MRIs, CT scans? As things progress the Apple cable shows they use standard electrical best practices.

@@jontastic Pretty sure you can't. That's what the ethernet is for. Presumably they might add extra shielding like a metal pipe around them for cable runs in those walls.

He made several mistakes and/or glossed over how a lot of the electronics worked in the Thunderbolt cable. For instance, he mentioned differential signaling but what he chose to point out about it was that there were two wires involved and they were twisted together. Well, that's not really the important part of differential signaling. Also, all USB data uses differential signaling since version 1. They also didn't mention the rather glaring difference that the Apple cable is Thunderbolt 4 and the others are just USB C. Just because they share the same connector doesn't mean they are anything alike either in spec, construction, or intended use case. At the end Adam complains that there could be different markings to show what does what. And while I do think there could be better markings to differentiate different specs of USB C cables, showing the cables next to each other at the end showed very clearly that the Apple cable was marked with a Thunderbolt logo and the others were marked USB. Fun fact, the first generation of USB C iPhones are only capable of USB2 speeds. So, if you are buying that $130 TB4 cable just to plug in your iPhone you are going to be sorely disappointed.

The iphone 15 Pro can transfer at 10Gbps using USB-3, the standard iphone is limited. Makes sense I would say considering the use-cases@@drumguy1384

But this was not a review. It was only showing what an advanced cable looks like compared to a crappy on. And it nailed that premise

@@AdamHarteno. It compared a USB-C cable to a Thunderbolt 4 cable. Same connector but otherwise completely different purpose. Comparing an Apple TB4 cable vs a cheaper TB4 cable would be a fair comparison. This was not.

If you compared apple's to apple's, then you would only be comparing the same expensive cabling with itself.

@@thomassynths what good is a comparison of two cables that are designed for two completely different purposes? Of course Apple’s cable is going to have more complexity.

@@AdamHarte Except the title was "Why is Apple's USB-C cable $130?" Then they proceeded to "prove" that it was worth so much because it was soooo much better than these other cheap cables that also have a USB-C connector. They didn't prove that the Apple cable was worth $130 so much as illustrating why a TB4 cable costs more than a USB cable. They didn't compare it to a cheaper TB4 cable to see why Apple's might be worth the premium. They compared it to not even mainstream USB-C cables, but one spec'd for USB 2 data and one for USB 2 charging only. It's not a fair comparison and doesn't come anywhere near answering the question in the video title. A more honest title would be, "Why are some USB-C cables more expensive than others?" Then they could point out that the Apple cable is TB4, which has a USB-C connector, but is much more complex under the hood, etc. As it stands, they just called them all USB-C cables and suggested that Apple's was worth the asking price because it was so much better than the worst crap they could find. They could have at least thrown in a low-end TB4 cable or higher-end USB cable to show a wider range of difference.

From my knowledge, they will perform pretty much the same. What you will notice is that the Anker cable is going to be a lot shorter. Having a longer TB4 cable can get crazy expensive due to the extra components needed to keep bandwidth up to spec at both ends. But since it's Apple, a good chunk of the price difference does come from the Apple product tax lol.

Boom 😅

If you buy 5 pieces of $12 Amazon Basic cables, it would probably last longer together than a single $130 Apple cable. lol

@@BillAnt We're talking about 2 metre/6ft Thunderbolt 4 cables, not just USB C. Amazon Basics doesn't offer such cables.

Unless I'm hugely misunderstanding how this works, it seems like having a Thunderbolt socket on the side of your laptop is like having an external PCIe slot that dodgy folk can use to connect hardware to read and write your computer's memory, bypassing all the operating system security.

Its not for people who know what science is and how even a newborn does it

USB-C signalling is backwards compatible with USB-2. So you can get a USB-C to USB-2 cable, without any chips. Just 4 wires. BUT, this will be limited to USB-2 speeds. This is what the cheaper cables carry. Just USB-2 signals. You're not going to be running a monitor off one of these cheaper cables. But, that's ok, most of the time you just want it for connecting to a mobile phone anyway...and perhaps you don't want to buy a $120 cable just to teather your internet...that $120 cable isn't going to be as thin and light as a cheep cable! BUT, if you want high speed....really high speed, enough to carry multi-display signals, or (in theory) eGPU's, you're going to need a cable that will handle it.

Also there's a difference between "testable" and "actually matters." So in terms of data transfer, most transfer protocol already has some type of error-checking build-in. As for electricity - it's just electricity. An electron is an electron and it doesn't care how and what "quality" it arrives.

I don't recall any mention of testing - just the question and the obvious answer.

There are a thousand videos doing that. Not many with cool CT scans. Good thing they didn't spend view time doing what is already overdone

Kinda funny that Apple markets its phones as professional quality tools, but their transfer speeds are a throwback from 2002.

Oh my god. So friend of mine, told be that this praised new iPhone type-C cable only is capable of usb 2 speed. Now, I guess, I've learned that it's meant to be used only as charge cable and not data cable? You bought our overpriced phone, now go buy our overpriced cable.

remember this whole episode is an ad sponsored by Apple. They hired Adam to make this video so people wont rage at apple for a $130 USB-C cable. Or at least make apple users feel like they are getting a super great thing. This is all marketing.

@@Brismo7 I thought that it's may be apple ad from the begining of the video.

@@Darkdaej high speed needs micro transactions

I've had so many Apple cables fail, I'm convinced the lack of strain relief is intentionally bad. They always, always, fail the same way.

Bingo, if my kid will destroy it in 6 months I'd rather buy two $12 cables a year than two $120 TB4 cables even if we did transfer data on the cable, I'll take a 5 minute vs 1 minute data transfer if the price difference is over $100. These guys seem to be drinking deeply of the Apple Kool-aid.

Agree - though e-waste is a huge issue, so I don't think we should reward companies that make crappy products that are designed to break easily.

These cables aren't meant for the average consumer anyway. They benefit professional environments where transfer speeds can mean the difference in getting a project out on time or late. These also work for display purposes as well so sometimes they may be a permanent fixture between the computer and monitor. The areas these cables are largely going to be used aren't going to have kids or animals wreaking havoc all over the place. For everyone else, including me, the $10-20 cables are just fine to suit our needs.

@@SaltNBattery It's not intentionally bad per se. It's that they refuse to change the design for aesthetic reasons. Yes they fray and fail worse than anything on the market. This has been going on since long before Jobs died. It goes back to Jony Ives, blame his "now on Sprockets" ass.

It feels pretty dishonest to me. If you're going to cover technical details, you'd better be pretty straight about it.

I think the dislike ratio is even higher than that since UKposts turned off the dislike api and the addon can only track its own users. But I might be wrong about that.

Yeah it's because the viewers are confused about the message of the video. They have tried to read their own apple bias into the video 😂

@@Johnny-Joseph It's because they are comparing two completely different products, and presenting it as a fair comparison. It's like comparing a high speed HDMI cable with a DVI, and pretending they are the same product.

No, definitely dishonest.

I bought a 11$ thunderbolt 4 cable on eBay. I tested it to 40gbps and 100W. It would be much more interesting to test against the Apple one.

here´s a dumb fanboy justifying his beloved company

USB 4 is based on thunderbolt

@@Gusfer-ze8lw I wouldn't agree with that. As John stated, a Thunderbolt 4 (TB4) cable, which uses the USB-C connector, is vastly different from a generic USB-C cable. TB4 cables come in active and non-active connections, with 40Gbps data and 120w of power (unsure of exact power specs). A USB-C cable could be rated at USB 2, USB 3, USB-3.1, Thunderbolt 3, or Thunderbolt 4, or could just provide power as some of those cables did. Both of Apples cables are the active Thunderbolt 4 spec, meaning it has those chips, but there exist those cheaper Thunderbolt 4 cables that if below 1m (according to the TB4 spec), do not need to be active to achieve those speeds and transmit that power. None of those cables tested were the cheaper TB4 cables, which theoretically do the same thing.

@@samw61 Yeah exactly, thanks for explaining it. I'm no fanboy for Apple, don't use their products. Just would have been nice to see a comparison between Apple and more reasonable cost ones of the same type. If anything, it would probably show Apple's isn't worth it.

I agree. I want to be able to transfer data when it's between two devices I own, but if I'm plugging in to charge up at the airport I want to know I'm only getting electricity into my battery and no data transfer. But, along the lines of what Adam said in the video, it would be nice if cables meant for charging only indicated that and cables meant for data indicated that. It would be nice to tell the difference easily at a glance when we're packing multiple cables.

@@JoshuaMichail0 Totally agree. The Thunderbolt cable does at least have a Thunderbolt symbol on it. It would be great to have a standardised colour/symbol scheme to indicate the capabilities of a cable. There is some level of colour coding on ports, though it's certainly not universal. USB 3 ports are generally blue, and fast charging ports are generally red. I'd quite like if charging only cables had red connectors, with the number of amps they carry printed on the plug. However, manufacturers lie, so you'd probably still need to test cables to verify they match their advertised capabilities.

@@JoshuaMichail0 Bring a brick then. Don't ever plug your device into a random USB port that you cannot see exactly what it's connected to. You could literally plug your device into a kill stick otherwise.

There are dongles for USB-A that only allow charging so you don't have to carry an extra cable, I assume there must be similar dongles for other cables

The downside is that only having the charging wires will limit you to 500mA@5V, because everything else has to be negotiated using the data pins.

I think this is actually the USB2 Amazon USB C cable (asin B01GGKZ1VA). USB2 is 5 wire (power, ground, 3 data) while USB3 is 10 wire. This is clearly 5 wires in the CT scan.

This was my thought as well. I want to see the cheapest THUNDERBOLT 4 cable vs Apple's.

Been using Thunderbolt cables for YEARS in our office with Lenovo's and the Thunderbolt docks. Gen1 through to Gen4. Apple re-inventing the price I see. Lenovo cables are about AUD$50, and I'd argue they'd be as good (if not better) than the new kid on the USB-C block.

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so remind me why it cant just be a grounded aluminum wrap to shield interference like everything else?

Pro Display XDR stand ;) €1099 Or Apple MacPro Wheels (4x) €849!! Or Apple Mac Pro Feet‑kit €349 Totally nuts!!

​@@R2_D3Whole kilo of Aluminium...

@@ljubomirculibrk4097 1KG Aluminium €2,50 €100 fabrication, €996,50 Apple Tax

@@ljubomirculibrk4097 hey man.. aluminum aint cheap... oh wait.

​@@Sircivusyou forgot the fact they have to pay life insurance on all the kids who jumped out of windows at their factory because even death is better than making iPhones in a slave camp....

Very well said! I totally agree. This whole video just came off like one big Apple infomercial. I am really disappointed by Adam and Tested for this video.

Very well said indeed!

My old usb-c to my samsung phone was great, full speed and all good but it broke when i dropped my phone and the cable maanged to take up all the force from the fall and the weight of the phone. That cable was 3.5 years old and was working 100% still.. until i dropped the phone by accident.. A replacement usb-c did cost me 4$ i think.. and i got the same specs and quality.. We all do our own choice in life and if people buy the "usb-c" cable made by apple that have the "Apple tax" that make them cost a fortune its their choice and they have to deal with the bad sides of their choice. Its not hard to change brand or manufacturer of a phone or tab so its no big deal and change if you want. I like adam but he did make it look like the cheaper cables would break after a month.. its not really true to reality..

is this a advert for Apple? Justifying a $130 thunderbolt cable? Your better then this Adam

Lolz

Yep, they are being sold to idiots who need to replace a crapple cable that was lost/damaged/stolen and are desperate to just CHARGE their $1k soon to be brick.

a cheaper thunderbolt cable will perform identical to the apple cable since thunderbolt is a protected name and can only be used when the cable meets spec in exhaustive tests.

Exactly, so people can know if the difference in transmission rates is worth the dollar. The whole video looks to me like an infomercial for Apple.

Exactly, these over excited old guys think we are all stupid. Overpriced crap, but they get to say its worth overpaying. I wonder why, cough! 🤠

Because it's utter Apple fanboy nonsense.

The irony is macs don't even tell you transfer rate. It's so dumb and stripped down because apple thinks people are babies and goes out of their way to strip useful stuff.

Absolutely. It's good to know about all sorts of magic going on inside, but my primary concern is what it gives me as a customer.

They are comparable, because they just compared them. I think you mean they are functionally different. Yes, ok, and what? This isn't a sales pitch, it's just a look into what's inside different cables. The presenters don't recommend a specific cable, but rather discuss what functions the different price levels provider. Don't be so triggered.

​@chiphill4856 he's saying that instead of comparing an Apple Thunderbolt 4 to a generic USB-C, they should have compared an Apple Thunderbolt 4 to a generic Thunderbolt 4. You'll find all the same processors and chips that they are gushing about inside a generic Thunderbolt 4.

@@chiphill4856 This literally was a sales pitch. They're talking about how beautiful the wiring is and saying maybe the amazon cable wouldn't charge and maybe it'd hurt your data, maybe it wouldn't charge as fast. All those things are utterly false. And they would know better.

​@@IdiomatickYou're completely correct. It's awesome that people are naturally coming together to tell the truth to those who might be manipulated into misleading choices for their families.

@@Idiomatick USB 3.x cables don't charge as fast as Thunderbolt. Most Type C cables are rated for 60W, while most TB4 cables are rated for 100W.

I've used official Apple products and $130 still breaks after six weeks in your car during the winter. Better to spend $10 at the gas station.

@@shawnmayo8210i don’t think you can blame them for you using a device out of its specifications, dipping in and out of freezing every day for months

@@sirensongss And I think you missed the point of his post.

@@sirensongss the apple product is the one that will break. i have cables that are over a decade old and still working perfectly despite heavy use. yet apple products break if you put them on a table wrong or forget to pray to their machine spirit and the omnissiah steve jobs, every time you use them. [40k joke, don't get panties in a twist over it]

Lol don't use thunderbolt cables to just charge your phone, but I get your point

On top of this, thunderbolt bought out of apple will most certainly be cheaper but still have same requirements. Shame on you autors. It is a good approach from the market to standardize, and thunderbolt is product of that as is 3.0 USB. Apple always obstructed these agreements to get more money or control on their products, and now they play better because they produce this. Joke.

@@jestestuman This is so true.

Had you watched the video, you'd learn that the $3 doesn't have the ability to transfer data

​​​@@plotikaiyou're kidding yourself and buying the snake oil salesmen at play here -- did you happen to catch the explicitly defined reason why it costs 130? I sure didn't. The visuals and talking everything around this point, everything but the point itself, is the giveaway -- a sales pitch disguised in a 'friendly way'. Just get a decent cable if you're concerned. you don't have to spend 130 to get the name as always.

Then your user experience doesn’t match a 130€ Cable. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t prep who are using this daily

Wow, I was wondering why a vid staring Adam had a whopping 50% downvote ratio. Then I read the comments, and downvoted it, too.

@@coredumperrorhow can you see downvotes?

You completely missed the point. It's a Lumafield ad using the incredible intricacy of the Apple Thunderbolt cable to demonstrate Lumafield's capability. They obviously discuss the differences in the intended use of the different cables, but you and a heck of a lot of other people were too busy being incredulous to correctly identify the purpose of the video.

Dude, one is a Thunderbolt 4 cable and the other is a USB-C cable...........TWO DIFFERENT CABLES that can not be compared.

@@jeremi96221There are plugins for various browsers that unhide them. The data is there, and UKposts makes it public, they just don't put it on the actual page any more.

He says just that at 18:17

That charge only comment they made really shows how little research was put into this video. The USB standard only requires 4 pins to transfer data.

They are comparing Thunderbolt 4 to USB 2.0. It's embarrassing.

usb 2 spec

@@vpstateofmind No. The only thing he said, that cables like this exist. The user to whom you are answering seems like asked about auction from where they buy it, as they prolly bought it from place where it's pointed in title and description that it's charging only. This guy still was smarter in the room and knew at least some things, but IDK if they forbid them to talk about that, or he just said "whatever, I won't explain why someone would want that, because It's not just because it's cheaper".

So what you saying is, USB-C is backwards compatable with USB2.0 on the hadware level and provides only so much speed when hardware is sending USB-C speed ranges? So I can rewire my 2011 iMac USB2.0 ports to USB-C just as simple as that?

So what you're saying is, 3 smart guys look at cool CT scans, and keep saying 'impressive', fascinating', and 'amazing', mumble about the huge price difference, without realizing these are different types of cables?

@@crisgriffin3042 - "So what you saying is, USB-C is backwards compatable with USB2.0 on the hadware level and provides only so much speed when hardware is sending USB-C speed ranges?" Not quite - USB 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 4, etc. are data transfer standards/protocols - they set the limits and expectations for transfer speeds and included features. USB Type-A, Type-B, Type-C (and all the Mini/Micro variants of A and B, and that one that only printers use) are _connector_ types. There is no such thing as "USB-C speeds", because USB-C is a connector, not a transfer protocol. A USB-C connector that supports USB 4 could have speeds upwards of 40Gbps, but a USB-C connector that supports only the 2.0 standard will be limited to 480Mbps. Similarly, a USB-A connector could have speeds of up to 10 Gbps, because there are Type-A connectors that support the USB 3.2 standard (you may recognize the Type-A ports supporting USB 3.x as the ones that are blue). Which was kind of the OP's point here - the video is comparing multiple cables with USB Type-C _connectors,_ but one of them is a Thunderbolt cable (comparable to USB 4 standards) while the others are all basic USB 2.0 cables that happen to also be using Type-C connectors. This is also the root of the issue Adam started ranting about, though I'm not sure if he knows exactly _why_ it's an issue - cables that share connectors but support different protocols is very annoying. It's why you can connect your phone to a wall charger and have it charge very slowly, but swap out what looks like the same cable but now it can fast-charge with the power-delivery standard. The first cable is using the same connector type, but doesn't implement the PD feature, so it operates at default USB 2.0 charging specs. If the USB people had mandated that all USB-C cables are fully 3.0 compliant, this wouldn't be so much of a problem, but they didn't do that likely because then cables would be much more expensive, even if you only need it for basic USB 2.0 transfer speeds. edit: so to answer your question - you could rewire your 2011 iMac's USB 2.0 ports which presumably use Type-A connectors to instead use Type-C connectors, sure, but it will still be a 2.0 port, it won't suddenly get faster, because Type-C is a connector, and USB 2.0 is a protocol. You could also just use a Type-C to Type-A adapter dongle thing for the same effect.

@@crisgriffin3042 Google Benson Leung USB-C

@@KingBobXVI Thank You! This was the clarification which, combined with the video, made me much smarter than I was.

Exactly

😅😅😅

hahaha I think my favourite is when he starts to argue that a cheap USB-c cable can short-circuit your hardware - because it's not over-engineered with smaller and more brittle solder-points.. Unbelievable.

What I gathered from his statement is 5% tint. Sauter increases the impedance of the ultra low voltage, being transmitted in the cable. Whereas the precious metal, gold and silver have a ultra low resistance to the low-voltage thus keeping the voltage, consistent with the amount of Solder and the type of metal used to connected to connections.

Yeah. It looked pretty pathetic.

Not quite-in theory you'll get fewer errors, but the speeds involved are such that you'll get fewer errors anyway.

USB4 is 40Gbs can only do 1 4k video. Thunderbolt 4 40Gbs 2 4k videos. That about the only difference

USB-C is simply a connector. USB 1-4 is the technology. It's easy to misunderstand and most people (including myself) somewhat erroneously use USB-C to mean USB 3 with a C connection.

@@Masta6801 you can send 10 4k videos over 40Gbps with compression. Most people probably don't even notice quality drop.

@@encycl07pedia- Im pretty sure thats exactly what it means, because USB-C comes with some standards and requirements. IIRC every fully featured USB-C cable supports at least USB 3.1, as well as ~25 watt for charging or so.

Exactly my feeling too. In no way does this explain WHY it should be $130 when you can get TB4 cables for $30. That would be a more interesting video.

​@@dantower8268Exactly right

Also numerous plain false statements and omissions of obvious things. None of three know anything about USB or thunderbolt pinouts and signals.

It felt really deaf tone to me, the whole thing. They could have grabbed someone that knew a more about microelectronics from the Tested crew itself or someone from outside that knew more than those. I’m willing to give in that they might have thought by themselves that it would have been just plainly interesting to see without a second thought and decided to just roll with it off the cuff but it feels disappointing to me. Much like the cruiser Princess something or another he made a series of videos awhile ago. Sure, there are several advanced engineering problems that were solved in interesting ways but he would scratch the itch a lot more if he saw how something that people can’t get a view at all being made such as bulk cargo and container transporting ships first. He would probably have given a wider berth of access too compared to a passenger cruiser too. In Japan at least, Mitsubishi Heavy and Imabari often give turns to their shipbuilding facilities to both local schoolchildren and international visitors if asked with enough advance.

They wen't for the click-baity "Apple blah blah blah". But the point was: not all USB-C cables are the same. Thunderbolt 4 is always gonna be more expensive that 480mbps, which is more expensive that charge-only. it'd had been nice to make it clearer from the start. But well, the scans are cool

so fake!!

😂😂

What I find strange is that there was no discussion (maybe I missed it? I was listening in the background) of the actual results of all the extra complexity, just observation that it was there.

@@jeremykothe2847 or in other words no intrinsic value to this video other than some colourful images yay

@@jeremykothe2847 I have the same question. Strangely, they don't talk about that.

And they had to be forced by the EU... they didn't even want to stop locking their users in...

I wish I had more upvotes to give.

Not to mention they're just comparing the cheapest cables against the overpriced cable. The mid-priced cables would be unfavorable towards the Apple propaganda because they're not far off in terms of quality but a much more reasonable price considering that they're made by machines with less than $5 of parts.

Apple contributed nearly a quarter of the engineers in the certification process, so I don't think it's fair to call it disingenuous. Also, a theory about Apple only using USB 2.0 speeds on the non-pro versions is that the A16 SoC was not designed with USB-C in mind and is not reliably compatible with higher speeds. Chances are the next generation of phones will all be full speed.

The iPhone 15 pro has usb 3.0 10Gbps, not sure where you got the idea that they "didn't implement" it. The base iphone got last years "pro" chip which only supports usb 2.0.

That's the idea, anyway. In practice mis-labeling is rife, because enforcing the trademark is impossible.

@@vylbird8014 Tbh most cables don't have any markings at all.

ss usb logo with 10 is not usb 4 logo. 10Gbps is usb 3.2 gen 2. usb 4 connectors will just say 40Gbps or 20Gbps with a cable graphic underlining it... at least if USB-IF's guidelines on logo usage is followed properly. now you mention 10GB/s, which is equal to 80Gbps (difference between bits and Bytes) is usb 4 v2.0 and is signified on the cable as 80Gbps with the cables power rating written below it (for example, 240W) with the same cable graphic underlining the entire text block.