AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Ryzen 9 7900X3D vs. Ryzen 9 7950X3D, Gaming Benchmark
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
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01:54 - Let’s discuss the Ryzen 9 7900X3D
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05:38 - Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty
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V Cache Battle: 7800X3D vs 7900X3D vs 7950X3D
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@tekelupharsin4426 Місяць тому
In your charts, I would have renamed AMD Ryzen 5 7600X3D to "Simulated 7600X3D" just to avoid confusion.
@user-oc2cw9wm4d Місяць тому
I was like wait, when did AMD release a 7600X3D. Had to google real quick 😅. Was just skimping through the charts and not really paying attention to the talking.
@joshstucki4349 Місяць тому
Right! At first, I was like, "Oooooh... that exists?!" Nope, doesn't exist. :(
@Brunark Місяць тому
Was just as confused initially, had to do a double take. Either that or least add quotations to distinguish it isn't real.
@twelvenation985 Місяць тому
he only says it a million times
@tonydalimata Місяць тому
He mentioned it was "simulated" many times .
@DDHDTV Місяць тому
No surprises here, the 7800x3d is still the price/performance king for gaming. Atleast the 7950x3d CCD issues have mainly been resolved and it now actually performs same as the 7800x3d instead of worse. Now it actually is a proper hybrid CPU
@BikeeMikee Місяць тому
if you play at 1080p with a 4090. yes.
@potatoes5829 Місяць тому
@@BikeeMikee ?
@SnowingApple135 Місяць тому
Lil bro is a bit confused
@markkrejic8736 Місяць тому
My next cpu is 7800x3d 👍
@BikeeMikee Місяць тому
things change at 1440p with a 4070, if your metric is price/performance.
@marinipersonal Місяць тому
Using the 7800x3D and the only things that amazes me even more than the performance, is power draw and how easy to cool it is. Must be a lifeline for those going for ITX.
@randomaccount53793 Місяць тому
It is amazing for a Lian Li ITX H2O case. Can't even hear AIO cooler pump most of the time.
@little_fluffy_clouds Місяць тому
Yup, used one in a tiny 4 litre ITX case with a tiny Noctua low profile cooler and a 4060 low profile GPU. The 7800X3D draws so little power that it can still work with such a small cooler without throttling itself.
@ThunderingRoar Місяць тому
Best gaming CPU for only 370$, if only GPU market was this good : /
@jgripen969 Місяць тому
Shh, don’t give them any ideas!
@rodiculous9464 Місяць тому
The intel cards are good value for money with the new drivers and hopefully battlemage will be even better
@inkredebilchina9699 Місяць тому
@@rodiculous9464 knowing Intel, they might be pricier as well. I mean we all hope they won't but remains to be seen.
@richarddortch6122 Місяць тому
7900xt at 699 is pretty compelling....
@mrdali67 Місяць тому
Well the 7900X3D does not make sense at all, but IF you do both gaming and some video work the 7950X3D is slightly slower than the 7950 for multicore load but as its pretty much the same gaming perf as the 7800X3D its a good deal for both things plus you still have more cores for those games that take advantage of pure core load instead of the 3DVcache and unless you are very fixated on RT both the RX7900XT and XTX seems fair deals after the price cuts or the 7800XT if you are more budget minded
@riba2233 Місяць тому
finally a 7900x3d review, thank you so much legends! 😎
@riba2233 Місяць тому
@@eugenijusdolgovas9278 omg, we get it, you are clueless. They have explained why they do it this way but no, mr. Smarta$$ here knows better...
@UncleButterworth Місяць тому
Would have been interesting to see some productivity workloads, but he mentioned that isn't really their purview.
@kennaee Місяць тому
@@eugenijusdolgovas9278 7800x3d is the most popular choice for higher end CS2 builds because the game is insanely CPU heavy. We run it on resolutions much lower than 1080p on top. For comp FPS the 3d vcache is crazy valuable.
@beachslap7359 Місяць тому
@@eugenijusdolgovas9278people upgrade GPUs more often. Today's 1080p is going to be tomorrow's 1440p
@elvpse Місяць тому
Its a bad cpu
@singular9 Місяць тому
x3d is the most exciting thing in CPU's in a long time, and AMD shoving it into literally everything is great.
@rudy_dstroys1821 Місяць тому
it is but also means that L3 cache is cheaper now for consumers. Back in the early 2000s, a teacher of mine once told me that if we could ever afford more Cache in our CPUs, we would see an increase in performance. I'm still mind blown how far along with have come with CPU performance in the last 20 years.
@conza1989 Місяць тому
Balen, mate, the B roll is excellent, always appreciate the effort watching this at 4K on a big screen.
@BalinThomas Місяць тому
Thanks for this, glad you appreciate the effort! :)
@technologicalelite8076 Місяць тому
@@BalinThomasAnd the living legend responds!
@cthomas2812 Місяць тому
Been running a 7800x3d on a Carbon wifi x670E with a 4080 for a few months now. Not a single issue or hiccup and all my games look amazing. Very happy with the build!
@evers6214 Місяць тому
Nice! What model monitor are you using?
@Slizzo82 Місяць тому
Same, X670E Carbon Wifi but with a 7950X3D in it. Been great since I put the system together. Flashback was easy to get the board ready for the processor.
@cthomas2812 Місяць тому
@evers6214 I'm using a MSI ultrawide 1440p monitor. It's only 144hz, but waiting for these new Gen 240hz Oled ultrawide monitors to come down in price before I upgrade
@awebuser5914 Місяць тому
4080+1440p = 7800X3D being irrelevant. You could use a 7600 and see no practical difference with that platform.
@gigaclown Місяць тому
I got that exact setup.. best CPU + didnt like the 4070s lack of VRAM so got 4080
@waynesabourin4825 Місяць тому
Great review! I run the 7950X3D on my rig which does work + gaming so I was happy with it.
@michaelguinaneful Місяць тому
A video comparing Process Lasso management, disabling a CCD and running stock would be interesting to me for the 2 CCD parts.
@compupsych3897 Місяць тому
Thank you for your thorough analysis, as always. I'm in the process of putting together a system, so your timing is perfect!
@da1otta Місяць тому
Thanks Steve, it was an incredibly informative review!
@TheEjlatshaw100 Місяць тому
The benchmarks from you guys helped me choose the 7800X3D. Could not be happier! Keep up the great work.
@josejuanandrade4439 Місяць тому
What a timing! I just ordered my 7800x3d!
@Deffinnition Місяць тому
it's a beast of CPU, congratz!
@RAZGR1Z Місяць тому
Enjoy!
@inkredebilchina9699 Місяць тому
even AMD released it later than both of r9s with 3D V cache because they knew it would outsell the 7950 and 7900 x3d's. kudos!
@TheMissing8 Місяць тому
Damn, you guys post videos right when I need them.
@rogerdiz3520 Місяць тому
Your reviews are the best for me, as being a sim racer, it's great to see ACC as part of your testing suite.
@randallhamblin863 Місяць тому
I would like to see you guys make a video on undervolting the x3d products. I know every cpu will undervolt differently depending on the bin, but maybe a basic guideline on how to get started. This was a great video as well. Keep up the great work guys.
@mikfhan Місяць тому
Yep for now I just set 75c thermal limit and -30 magnitude in PBO with linear fan curve from 19% at 30c that does cap its potential a bit but main interest is how to easily find the magnitude sweet spot overall/per core that is still stable (mine holds for now in medium gaming, but crash in heavy CPU tasks or power saving modes).
@TheGreenReaper Місяць тому
@@mikfhan OCCT is your friend - Small, Extreme, Variable settings and test four, three, two cores and one as well as eight (or six for a six-core) to account for varying active core counts on a CCD side. Helped me get to -26 -23 -27 -27 -19 -21 on my 7600 - it can do ~4700Mhz all-thread with the GPU running a task in BOINC as well, at 102.6 BCLK and 5600 CL40 RAM at 5974Mhz CL34 (though with 1.35/1.42 V respectively on the sticks). Don't forget to tweak your voltage and speed on the iGPU if using that as it can impact top speed due to power/thermals. Also y-Cruncher's Hybrid NTT test is good for checking an FCLK overclock/voltage tweak.
@inkredebilchina9699 Місяць тому
@@TheGreenReaperthe x3d parts don't have an iGpu. but do have an overclock issues. many have burnt because people tried to OC as the 3D V cache is extremly heat sensitive. also to the OP: please be careful when undervolting. it too has potential to break your cpu because of v cache sensitivity. check out derbauer's videos to learn more.
@TheGreenReaper Місяць тому
@@inkredebilchina9699 Yeah, that's true, and one potential reason not to get the X3D version (but I imagine those wanting to play around might go for a cheaper CPU anyway).
@TheOriginalCoda Місяць тому
@@inkredebilchina9699 I can verify that the 7900X3D does indeed have an iGPU.
@perfectdiversion Місяць тому
The best thing about my 7800X3D is that I didn't waste a single second of my life with silly memory tuning. It's the fastest right out of the box
@dhLotan Місяць тому
Not only that. It's still so good you also don't get stuck wondering which chip to buy and I had and still have zero buyers remorse. It has remained the best chip for almost a year now. It's pretty amazing.
@1Grainer1 Місяць тому
but... 14900KS with custom water loop and all those steps needed for APO
@temperedglass1130 Місяць тому
Noob
@Habixus Місяць тому
Yep, absolutely. I've went from a 7600X with 6200 CL30 + tuned Subtimings to a 7800X3D. With the 7600X, the RAM tuning compared to the 5600 CL36 EXPO profile made a massive fps difference, especially 1% lows. I've tested this with the 7800X3D too and the 3D Cache is basically "Yeah whatever, give me just enough amount of RAM and I'm fine". Difference in ACC is 205 vs 220 fps avg. With the 7600X it was 120 vs drops into the 90's. 1% lows are 70 vs 145, 7600X vs 7800X3D. For simracing, the price per fps is actually lower with the 3D, lol
@brandonwirtz2308 Місяць тому
What memory do you have? Not BIOS settings or brand, but what are the specs? The 7800X3D is kind of picky that way. You say you didnt mess with memory tuning, but some specs are more stable than others. If that seems non-sensical, I'll explain. AMD is REALLY stable at 6000 MHz CL30, but if you are running with the 6000 MHz CL 36, you may find your system crashing under high stress gaming sessions. Same with 6400 MHz CL 36, or any other memory. A whole lot of people ran a whole lot of tests to find what the most stable memory setting is for the 7800X3D, and it turns out to be 6000 MHz CL30. Now, this is in no way saying that this setting is perfect, or that other memory settings are guaranteed to be unstable. The research I did just suggested that this is the most stable memory you can purchase, or it was as of October of 2023. (When I built my PC)
@marcchapleau8343 Місяць тому
Good review, great analysis! You and Tom are the best!
@Darknyte82 Місяць тому
Really helpful review as I was considering the 7900X3D for a hybrid work pc and gaming pc. It fits my budget and needs.
@Alauz Місяць тому
7800X3D is the king
@LightyDust Місяць тому
It's amazing! I got it a couple of months ago to replace my aging i7 8700K and the performance uplift I got is unreal!
@TheDarksideFNothing Місяць тому
If you're primarily a gamer and have money there's no reason to get anything else as far as I can tell!
@LightyDust Місяць тому
@@TheDarksideFNothingYeap, I only use my system for gaming & media, web surfing, music listening etc. No workload whatsoever.
@MCPabs Місяць тому
@Annihilator-zv6xh what u mean not anymore? The 7950x3d came before the 7800x3d and overall in gaming the 7800x3d is still king
@ScreamerRSA Місяць тому
Technically the 7950X3D is the best. 7800X3D is the price to performance king.
@craigells4151 Місяць тому
The 7900x3d was on sale for only a $30 difference from the 7800x3d, and the amount of compression and decompression I do with large files, it was a nice middle of the road upgrade from my 3900x that's starting to get a bit long in the tooth.
@corvoattano9303 Місяць тому
May I ask what kind of workload it is that requires compression and decompression?
@rustler08 Місяць тому
Except that it sucks so bad that you have to constantly fight it.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Exactly 7900x3d and 7950x3d imo are perfect cpu's for people who bought and actually made use of 3900x/5900x, HU tone to negative imo.
@AndersHass Місяць тому
I am glad with how you referenced the lovely video about why you limit GPU bottleneck for CPU testing for gaming benchmarks.
@t0mn8r35 Місяць тому
This was really interesting. Well done as always.
@CryptoJordanVR Місяць тому
It seems like to me that the 7900X3D would still be a good all-rounder between gaming and productivity tasks. Perhaps the best value option for those looking for a good balance between those.
@mcorrive12 Місяць тому
Literally just pulled the trigger on this CPU yesterday! I need it for my 5 monitor MSFS simulator. The goal is to have the cache core running the sim while the other core handles background tasks like OBS streaming with 3 webcams, air manager touchscreen cockpit controls, NoIR Face Tracking, navigation, etc. Of course most benchmarks only show what we simulator enthusiasts call "vanilla MSFS". In other words, msfs2020 running on one monitor with no other background tasks running. There's a large portion of us simmer running much more complex systems than this, and constantly chasing the fastest hardware to try to pull it off and get a decent frame rate. We appreciate these sorts of benchmark reviews!
@mcorrive12 Місяць тому
If you want a an idea for a very niche video for us 1,000 flight Sim enthusiasts... 😆 How about a benchmark run of these 3 cpus with msfs2020 running while cinabench or something is running in the background. Even better would be running it in triple screen mode with a heavy background task. We sim enthusiasts rely on community forums to share this kind of performance data.q
@IndyMiraaga Місяць тому
Microsoft Flight Simulator simulator? That's like saying ATM machine...
@mcorrive12 Місяць тому
@@IndyMiraaga Thank you for the correction. You have added so much value to my day!
@TheOriginalCoda Місяць тому
I bought the 7900X3D also for my FS2020 rig, but I'm running in VR. The CPU isn't the bottleneck in my case. Process Lasso to the rescue.
@npaul5962 Місяць тому
Congrats on 1 Million subs!
@igorvidakovic7388 Місяць тому
The perfect timing, been looking for a 7800x3d and 7900x3d comparison the whole past month.
@simonbaker7462 Місяць тому
Still happy I picked the 7800x3d as a gaming build. I hope it lasts me a few years with a possible change in GPU that doesn't hold it back.
@PainX187 Місяць тому
i prefer that my upgrade path the last three switches has been 2700k -> 9900k -> 7800x3d so here is hoping this one can last as long as that epic 2700k
@simonbaker7462 Місяць тому
@@PainX187 I went from a 6700k 16gb ddr4 memory and a Nvidia 1080. To my 7800x3d 32gb ddr5 and 7900xtx. It's the longest time I've waited for an upgrade, I used to upgrade every 2 years or sooner and not notice a big performance jump. This time it's insane I've gone from getting 30-40fps to a 130-144fps which is insane, and also great as I'm seeing the benefits from my new high refresh rate monitor. Definitely learnt to only upgrade when I need too. Another lesson, AMD cards are genuinely really good.
@PainX187 Місяць тому
@@simonbaker7462 same but just a 4090 setup with a 1440p 240hz monitor i upgrade GPU steadily but CPU only if i have to and always one with room to grow if i can
@tvelichkov Місяць тому
Thank you for including fresh CS2 test results! The game got lots of perf. improvements over the last few months and older reviews are kind of untrustable. I'm only missing comparison against CPUs like 5600X and 5800X3D.
@daedaluxe Місяць тому
Yeah I think these newer gen CPUs should always have that benchmark of the great from the previous gen, I'm really interested in seeing how these perform against a 5800x3d.
@MrFrosty888 Місяць тому
My new setup will be 7800x3d with a 4090 as I do competitive sim racing with vr. Also with am5 at least I can just change cpu in the near future to cut costs down in a few years. The review was great Steve happy Easter mate
@SleekEmu Місяць тому
Now that AM5 has had time to mature and iron out the initial bios issues, a review at this time is really valuable. 👍
@TeeTeeNet Місяць тому
Should probably have put an asterisk or something next to the name 7600X3D* on the charts to visually indicate it’s different.
@Helion_Prime Місяць тому
I upgraded my PC a month ago, and chose the 7800X3D. I am so glad I made the right choice...
@ATestamentToTech Місяць тому
Just realised.. You hit the 1 million subs mark! Congrats.
@daviddawood3272 Місяць тому
and also thanks for bringing cs2 in benchmarks
@alb9229 Місяць тому
Wish there was a 5800X3D thrown in there , to represent the best AM4 has to offer for comparison .
@itsnodee4612 Місяць тому
It matched the 7600x, Thats how I usually see it.
@alb9229 Місяць тому
@@itsnodee4612 I mean yeah on average and especially on GPU heavy scenarios that stands true but on CPU heavy scenarios and games like Factorio , ACC etc its quite faster than the 7600X .
@TheZoenGaming Місяць тому
The propreitary game engine in "A Plague Tale: Requiem" shows exactly why back in the day of Windows XP/7 you would need to restart a system with any extra threads beyond 8 disabled. There were so many games that didn't run well, or at all, if you didn't.
@GI-Joe 10 днів тому
thanks bro, i was thinking about the 7800x3d for my next build and now i am learning towards it... seems more reasonable enough
@marcjacobson757 Місяць тому
Another great review, straight to the point, relevant facts, no fluff.
@williamtopping Місяць тому
No way is this just an hour ago. I was just about to pull the trigger on one of these...
@dandanthesoundman7607 Місяць тому
When I built my PC last year I bought my 7900x3d & it’s been awesome. I use is for productivity, as well as gaming & because the 7800x3d is mainly a gaming processor, the 7900x3d was a no-brainer for me, as I didnt feel the need to spend more money for the 7950, because I didn’t need it:).
@lharsay Місяць тому
It's a good all-rounder at it's current price, basically an i7 14700K with half the power draw.
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
@@lharsayHalf the power draw and the 14900k needs DDR5-7200 to keep up with the 7900X3D in gaming. And it's on a dead platform.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Imo for any multi apping with some sapping some serious power, 12-core cpu's are the go to for value and future longevity. they gaming support is slightly worse (but this test imo proves you lost nothing but few %, in some games even better, so just love it. I didn't buy cause 600€ then. But 390 dollar is insane value imo. Also the power draw is amazing.
@marcm. Місяць тому
While it didn't change my mind on what to get, it did ease my mind on what I am going to get. More information is always better, therefore thank you very much for this video it was very interesting
@AH-video Місяць тому
thank you for the update
@otravoyadnoe Місяць тому
honestly at the current US prices 7900x3d has some serious value to it for anyone who needs both great gaming CPU and good multi-threaded productivity CPU. thanks for the review guys!
@Shaxuul Місяць тому
Yeah, the 7900X3D is underrated, IMO.
@ClamChowder95 Місяць тому
Full disclosure that I don't know the exact breakdowns, but why not just get a high end Intel chip at that point? Edit: I got my answers guys. Thanks.
@PineyJustice Місяць тому
@@ClamChowder95 Because the x3d chip is faster in a lot of real productivity stuff while using 1/3rd of the watts.
@thelorddarkam3563 Місяць тому
@@ClamChowder95 The way intel change the plataform non stop
@raute2687 Місяць тому
@@ClamChowder95 power consumption and platform longevity come to mind immediatly. also, e-cores still have some issues in some applications, especially virtualization
@WumpusAmungus Місяць тому
As someone about to build a new dedicated high-end gaming PC, this video hits at exactly the right time.
@NamTran-xc2ip Місяць тому
You dont need this video to see that 7800x3d is the go to for high end gaming cpu
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Місяць тому
@@NamTran-xc2ip what if their high end pc is not just for gaming ? Like 7800X3D isn't a great cpu for multicore workloads you know
@FrogOf4Chan Місяць тому
@NamTran-xc2ip Because naming structures across nearly all tech companies have largely remained similar - for example Intel core i3 i5 i7 and i9, each sequential number targets more performance and a different audience, so ryzen 7 7800X3D is a lower number than the ryzen 9 7900X3D so the video showing the differences between 78 and 79 are important because the average person might not have the esoteric knowledge and backend information/context to know the difference between the two parts.
@evostu7814 Місяць тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat The comment says to build a dedicated high end gaming pc.
@dhLotan Місяць тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatWell, they said it's a dedicated gaming PC. With that said they should look no further than a 7800X3D.
@philbill4958 Місяць тому
Another great video. Well done.
@Varout04 Місяць тому
Super interesting video, thanks!
@undertone2472 Місяць тому
Playing a drinking game every time Steve says "X3D" would be a disaster 😂
@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
Please don't! :)
@Ben-ve8js Місяць тому
Holy shiat this is crazy, I was thinking about buying my parts today and wanted to go for a 7950x3d but man, it’s not worth the money, I’m gonna go for the 7800x3d and save some money for the gpu instead. GREAT VIDEO!
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Don't buy to expensive gpu, unless yours dying not worth it. 8800 XT is the first one who might have good enough value to upgrade, to have a 'this time' fast cpu but future proof you need to pay 1000€, anything lower meh, until 7800xt where value cranks up again (though in 3 years it will feel very tempting to upgrade again with the gpu power demand from games. I do opposite of you 7950x3d cause i love to multitask and be future proof, still using 1080 gtx cause i don't trust gpu market, plus buying one now could really hurt my wallet if new one dies in two years, so no i will wait it out, imo we need 4090 performance in 500-600€ segment, that will be the 'wonder time' to upgrade (even for lower segment)then it won't feel like 'i payed a lot but i still don't get enough fps or 4k resolution in games (basically situation now).
@Ben-ve8js Місяць тому
@@Matti6950 your opinion, im currently playing on a 3-4 years old pc and i feel the pc getting slower from day to day. I want to start from scratch so i have 2 pc´s in the end. I currently have everything here to build, i just need to safe money for a gpu then im gonna be fine for the next 3-4 years. My Plan is to build everything and then put my currently gpu in (3070) and wait 2 months and then upgrade to a 4080. Im gonna agree on that part that pc parts are sooo goddamn expensive. 2000€ for a 4090, thats a fucking car right there. im not gonna pay more than 1100-1500 at the maximum, my whole build would be worth 3k
@suparibhau 19 днів тому
How were you about to buy the 7950x3d and didn't know it was primarily for productivity?
@jabroni6199 Місяць тому
Been waiting for a more current review of these x3d CPUs, particularly the dual CCD ones but would’ve been a bit more helpful if charts also included 5000 series for comparison
@kaylee42900 Місяць тому
really happy to see the cross CCD issues looking better for the 7950x3d. Realistically, that sort of design is going to be required in the future to reach a good number of cores and thermals. May as well work out the kinks now.
@civilusb Місяць тому
every time i see a bench mark with the 7800x3d it makes me glad that i spent the extra $$ to get it over the 7700x that i was originally going to get, i see this CPU lasting alot longer then my 3600 that i had before
@martinpro4967 Місяць тому
Generally agree, but depends as usual. This test were done in 1080p. If you play 1440p or 4k the gap is much smaller, especially if you do not play competitive FPS with 200+ frames per second. In some games the 7700x will be the same or even very slightly better, because of the higher frequency.
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
@@martinpro4967 The 5800X3D is already starting to show it's strengths even in a lot less extreme situations. Both Starfield and the latest versions of Modern Warfare are having problems breaking 75FPS on even quite recent CPUs, regardless of graphics settings, but the 5800X3D isn't among them. Personally I target 90-100FPS in most single player games (I don't play RTS games or factory sim games where 45-60FPS is typically perfectly fine) and there are plenty of games now where the 5600 can only just do that. Spending the extra amount for that big slab of L3 makes sense for people who generally only upgrade "when they have to".
@inflex4456 Місяць тому
Regarding scheduling: It's worth checking if game is detected on 3D models. This parks non-cached CCD result should not differ from 1CCD model (for same boost frequencies). If you want to fine-tune scheduling, use Process Lasso. You need to enable high performance profile in Windows to disable core parking for this to see any benefit. Tying game to 1 CCD more often than not helps even with non-3D models, for some games I saw 10% performance increase on my old 3900X, but it depends on how many cores game is able to use.
@cyberpunk59 Місяць тому
It is exactly the tool people need to use whenever they will get a 7900x3d or 7950x3d. Really makes a world of difference.
@ttwinsturbo Місяць тому
@@cyberpunk59 all you need is chipset driver form Amd site and this driver park correctly 3D v cache cores in games on Ryzens 9 with 3d cache.
@cyberpunk59 Місяць тому
@@ttwinsturbo Unfortunately, there are some games which work better on the chiplet without 3D cache, as it boosts higher, and there are games which just don't work with the AMD solution at all, Process Lasso lets you choose however you want your game, and your other applications, to run. It needs a bit of tinkering, but it's much more powerful than the automated system AMD has made.
@inflex4456 Місяць тому
@@ttwinsturbo This is more of a band aid for the masses. Problem is inflexible Windows scheduler. Process Lasso is way better tool, but it need some work and understanding.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Windows smart enough to know when i use photoshop (competitor), to not park the cores, otherwise they mostly do. Alt-tabbing disabled core parking, until you alt-tab back to game.
@StaK_1980 Місяць тому
Thank you for testing these products! I feel like the only possible recomendation for the 7900X3D is if you wanted to buy the vanilla 7900 in the first place... Then you _might_ see some improvements when you do decide to fire up a game or two. Other than that, it's 7800X3D. And I'm with you on the 7950X3D part, it would have been a killer CPU if it would have been two 7800X3Ds, glued together. One commentary though: some quotation marks on the "7600" would have been nice. I was a bit baffled for a moment about that CPU part, until I rewinded and caught your quick comment about it being just the nerfed 7900X3D...
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Nope, 2x 3d cache, will drop performance, cause of the non stop core switching latency. The 7800x3d isn't so good because it's single core complex, the cores communicate quite nice on 7950x3d, no it's the cache latency that is solved with 7800x3d, and big or small cache, switch means latency, so the 7950x'dual' 3d would really dissapoint. The amd employees while not telling why clearly hinted at the dual 3d cache not being where they hoped it would be, kind of make sense doesn't it? CAche is only fast if the core who needs it can access it fast, that goes away 100% with your logic, it would still then be better to stay on one core complex for max performance so why even bother with cache on second one?
@Yellowswift3 Місяць тому
Very interesting video. Out of interest, a deeper dive on the non-X 7900 processor would be interesting to see, as it's not something I've seen that much about on the few other tech channels I've watched.
@jasontodd5953 Місяць тому
Walk in deal micro center Bundle deal 7800x3d, Gigabytebyte b650 gaming rev 2, 16 gigs of gskill ddr5 6000mhz $469 saved another 5% using micro Credit card then immediatly paid off....Banger deal
@user-ug3mn8vn1r Місяць тому
It is 32 gigabytes in the bundle
@seancase71 Місяць тому
Went with the 7700x bundle myself during a sale where it was $350 paired it with a 7900xt for $675 after a price match and coupon. Micro center rocks!
@BeatPoet67 Місяць тому
The deals u get in the states are f insane. I just bought a second hand 7800x3d for £270. New MSI B650 gaming plus w-fi for £150 and some Corsair Vengeance DDR5 (2x16gb) for £115. That's $674. And I thought I'd done pretty well. Ffs.
@1nZaneR Місяць тому
thanks, very interesting comparison, would have been nice to also have seen the 5800X3D in the list just out of curiosity. What bugs me a bit is that 7600X3D - maybe next time don't name it like this on your graphs, it's confusing for those who pause the video or watch it without audio, and it also saves you time if you don't have to mention all time how that 7600X3D came to be.
@Frenchtoastedfruitloops Місяць тому
The 5800x3d is typically anywhere between 1 to 8% slower. I have both and the difference between them is almost impossible to tell from feel alone. Definitely worth grabbing if still on AM4. If building from scratch go 7800x3d
@juliandenaro8745 Місяць тому
Thanks to your benchmarks i decided to change my good old 3600x for a 7800x3d. My average FPS became my low 1% after only switching the CPU's (both paired with RTX 3060 ti). Only drawback with AM5 platform is the long time it takes to POST while using EXPO (10-15 seconds for me).
@AthanImmortal Місяць тому
Thank you so much for this video and data. In one sense it confirms what we know. In *general* more cores on a single CCD will be better in most cases, but it is really interesting to see some of the outliers like Hogwarts and Spiderman that seemed to benefit from more cores regardless of only 6 having Vcache. A glimpse into what could be future engine optimisations. Games that make use of any and all cores would be great for future hybrid CPUs.
@paalosordoni7932 Місяць тому
What is so impressive about the 7800X3D is the power draw, playing GTA 5 which is a quite CPU hungry game uses around 40 watts and runs so cool.
@EarthIsFlat456 Місяць тому
@@noir-13 Not anymore. Though it used to be when it was released on PC in 2015.
@Miguel-th3wx Місяць тому
Any modern CPU will chill while doing gta 5 lol.
@temperedglass1130 Місяць тому
Troll
@brandonwirtz2308 Місяць тому
LOL, I plugged my PC into a watt meter (I dont know the official name) to see how much power it was drawing, and in heavy gaming (I was playing the new Avatar game) the total draw topped at around 554 watts consistently. I have a 7800X3D with a 4080, with a 1300W PSU. Clearly..... overkill, apparently. That power draw is insane, especially compared to the 7700K w/ 1080 that I used to have that was around 300-400 watts. Using afterburner, the CPU eats about 50-60W depending on the game, and keeps around 60 degrees with a 360 AIO. This thing rarely gets warm, let alone hot. It's awesome.
@paalosordoni7932 Місяць тому
@@Miguel-th3wx turn on self radio and see
@Geardos1 Місяць тому
takeaway from this is 7600X3D if it existed for a good price would be a real dark horse for gaming
@Collin_J Місяць тому
Fairly confident we'll see those *eventually* with all the failed 7800X3D chips, just like the 5600X3D
@CLV. Місяць тому
within a year, it will probably appear ....
@TheGreenReaper Місяць тому
@@Collin_J Thing is if you think about it those failed CCDs are going into the 7900X3D. They can test the CCDs separately.
@lharsay Місяць тому
@@TheGreenReaper since the 3D V-cache is an extra chiplet, they can simply just not pack it on top of the CCD and use it for a Ryzen 7600, 7900 or some Epyc/Threadripper chip.
@joeroganpodfantasy42 Місяць тому
Good job on adding cs2 but add valorant as well and notice latency data from pressing ctrl+R LAT data from nvidia overlay , and cpu to render latency in the valorant stats, for esports that will tell which cpu makes the difference
@theexpatgunner Місяць тому
I built my new system back in mid January 2024 with a 7800X3D + RTX4090 and couldn't be happier with the performance when paired with a 32" 240Hz display. The last system I built prior to this was way back in 2002 during the Athlon XP era! Up to this point I had mainly been using Mac for productivity tasks and consoles for gaming. All said this is a massive uplift for me and a refreshing change.
@ZRay507 Місяць тому
Wow, what a jump you made!
@theexpatgunner Місяць тому
@ZRay507 100% I started buying parts in July 2023 so took a little while to get to the finish line. The hardest part and most conflicting for me was deciding on which GPU to go with. I had originally intended to go with the AMD 7900XTX from the beginning, but then I made a complete U-turn getting the RTX4090 over the 7900XTX after also considering the RTX4070/4080 Super refresh. I certainly can feel the different when compared to my Xbox Series X.
@andrebrait Місяць тому
I know it's impractical, but I'd love to see the 5800X3D in this comparison as well
@unholydonuts Місяць тому
5800X3D would trade blows with a 7700 depending on games and workload, overall similar performance.
@dereklang4451 Місяць тому
7600 and it would do worse in newer games @unholydonuts
@gravesddd Місяць тому
Steve’s already done that: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/b3xqpoaFiquBpHU.htmlsi=gKn6iwMOqQKoV6SD
@CargoShorts7 Місяць тому
I was thinking the same thing. My 5800X recently died on my and I didn't want to drop the $ to upgrade to AM5 just yet, so I dropped in a 5800X3D and it's been fantastic with my 3080 so far. But I still like to see how it compares to the current gen. Although when I do upgrade, it probably won't be until the next series of Ryzen chips.
@unclej3910 Місяць тому
@@CargoShorts7it has already been done by reviewers. The 5800X3D still does ok, but falls way short of the 7800X3D.
@NANOTECHYT Місяць тому
I want to see 7950X3D in simulated 7800X3D mode vs an actual 7800X3D.
@Dephside Місяць тому
he already made videos like that a year ago when the 7800x3d got released and before its release
@retrosimon9843 Місяць тому
if i remember correctly the simulated 7800X3D is even or up to 5% faster in games due to higher clock speed of the 7950X3D
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
7950X3D owner here: I've done it, and they're identical to within run-to-run variance. If I have a long-ass compile job I start it on the vanilla CCD while gaming on the V-Cache CCD.
@jtraimundo 28 днів тому
Thank you for the video. Based of the top of my head, I've recently bought a 5700x3d, I assumed an around 5% perf dif to the 5800x3d, and I came from an 5600x. It was an expensive upgrade, but I game at 1080P mainly online games. My son inherited my 5600x, from a 2600, it was a nice upgrade for him as well.
@honkai8692 Місяць тому
bro i hope at some time these cpu testing videos can also test games like civ 6, paradox games and others that are also heavy cpu games..
@J-Kimble Місяць тому
I've picked this up for 420€ a few weeks ago after my ryzen 7700 killed itself. I'm quite happy with it, perfect gaming-productivity workhorse. Most of the dual CCD hiccups are also fixed by now.
@dereklang4451 Місяць тому
Your 7700 killed 'itself'? If it's not your doing then you can send it back for warranty. Should have at least 2 years.
@CLV. Місяць тому
Killed itself? You may want to update your motherboard BIOS if your CPU died on its own
@J-Kimble Місяць тому
Calm down people, I appreciate the sentiment but everything is fine. The 7700 is already RMA-d, I have the new one (kudos to AMD for the hassle free process). It may go into a different pc, not sure yet, the old pc got the upgrade to the 7900x3d. The bios also got updated to latest (also regulary) during the troubleshooting process. The old cpu was still working but it failed to post quite often. It ran a few days with the old bios around the time when it was discovered that the soc voltage shouldn't go over 1.3 volts. My guess is that something got damaged during those few days and it slowly degraded to where it wouldn't work reliably anymore.
@Kapono5150 Місяць тому
Absolutely loving the 7800X3D. The 7700X is also a very good CPU as it pairs very well with my sons 6950 XT. The 7700X is just in a weird price point
@BrokenKanuck Місяць тому
So glad I went with the 7800X3D last year, it's screaming!
@rodhester2166 Місяць тому
So satisfied that I was able to purchase the 7800x3d on the day it was released. thanks for the review. I have heard that w11 handles the scheduling better than w10, Is this proven?
@ed1659 Місяць тому
The moment i saw 7600x3d i paused the vid and went to search for it, wondering when did it release and how did i miss it lol
@Alexandros_Alpha Місяць тому
Same here
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
Yeah, he should have put in quotes in the charts. Ryzen 5 "7600X3D"
@danm94 Місяць тому
Here in EU(Italy) I don't think I've seen a Ryzen 9 7950X3D under 620 US$ while the 7800X3D you can get it at around 350 US$(prices after euro to dollar conversion). So, Ryzen 7 7800X3D still makes sense, even in non-gaming, because for general home/office use, you just don't need more.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Black friday had it for 580€ 7950x3d, i payed 700€ (plus game valued at 100€ back then) july 2023, old pas was becoming issue and ram was about to get more expensive so i pulled trigger (plus motherboard was 50€ off and i knew it wouldnt last in high-end x670E. Right choice, even with high price, no regret (7800x3d was 500€ then so imo overpriced) and i abuse multi core a lot.
@suparibhau 19 днів тому
I mean no one said it's a bad cpu for non gaming purposes. It's just bad if you wanna do professional level productivity stuff, which most users don't fall under.
@KevinJohn556 6 днів тому
Thank you for this. I am wondering what you would recommend for gaming but also Temporarily using it to run VM’s while I build out my server on spare parts? I play tarkov… not right now, Star citizen occasionally, gray zone, and fallout 76 are my goto’s. I plan on running 64gb of 6400 ram with a 4070 super.
@fairplayer916 Місяць тому
im actually waiting for my 7800x3d to come in the mail today. nice timing. for a total system upgrade cost of about $600 to upgrade from my intel i7 8700k, figured it was worth it.
@peterkarminas9512 29 днів тому
7800X3D is better with 13 fps avg at 1080 pixel than 7900X3D. 13 fps average are nothing. I will buy 7900X3D, because this CPU is 12 core, not 8 core.
@Smok1125 Місяць тому
I thought 7900x3d gonna be better than 7800x3d
@theinsfrijonds Місяць тому
I bought 7950x3D to process video and game. I game at 4K so I figured the few frames it was behind the 7800x3D in tests didn’t really matter since the tests are conducted at lower resolutions where the CPU is the bottleneck. I am glad that my processor is no longer a laggard behind the 7800x3D tho Thanks for the update, Steve!
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
It depends on the games you play. There are a few oddballs here and there, but generally there isn't much in it. But if you manually test each game and use launch scripts to tie it to the CCD it responds the best to the 7950X3D is overall faster because there are a few games here and there that prefer frequency over cache.
@t3ngrist620 Місяць тому
Another great review. Can u please make specific video on b650 auros elite ax v1-v1.2-v2? Phases have changed and whats the difference and results. Also wonder if coil whine issue is gone in v2 or not
@Jack_Sparrow131 Місяць тому
7900x3D for $390 is a killer.. 12 cores means extra heavy cores games in next 2 years won't hurt your CPU Also, Windows sometimes do some BS while U playing like updating apps or whatever.. Getting 12 cores instead of 8 for nearly same price is a better buy Also.. 7900x3D have slightly better boost frequency compared to 7800x3D (5.6 GHz Vs 5.0 GHz) because 7800x3D use the 3D chip above the core die, while the 7900x3D / 7950x3D they use the 3D chip above only 1 die, while other is just vanilla die with max turbo
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Agre, ivy bridge 4 core had about after 6th and 8th year that i owned it a lot of trouble to multitask while gaming, was still good but clearly buttlenecked and killing fps even on single core working games. 8 core now, everyone thinks 'omg i'll never need more' imo 8 cores are now what 4 cores were in past, good now but not in future, that's why i always wanted 12 cores, 5900x3d was my target, but didnt came out then 7900x3d was to expensive old pc died almost, so pushed myself to 7950x3d, no regrets, its amazing to watch this cpu in task manager like HW64info. Most cores do little stuff on 1ghz (wich is very efficient) and core parking also works (wich makes 7900x3d more efficient in gaming then 7900x).
@Jack_Sparrow131 Місяць тому
@Matti6950 Yeah, I also had Intel 6600k (4C - 4T) back I'm 2016.. which showed bottleneck in heavy titles like AC Origins, which needed around 6 Threads to be smooth (which was rare in 2016/2017 titles to use more than 4 Threads) Then upgraded to intel 7700 (4C - 8T) and got like 20% smoother fps in AC Origins Lol Then got Ryzen 2600x , Ryzen 3600x , Ryzen 5600x (all of them were 6C - 12T) But their turbo & IPC gains were betwen 10% to 20% each Gen.. which was super rare back in Intel monopoly Scam xD Personally I bought Ryzen 5 models from China (cheaper than local stores & Amazon) and sold them at the same price I bought in my country since not everyone know how to transport cheap CPUs from China Lol.. so it wasn't a loss Overall.. getting 8C CPU will serve you will for up to 2026 minimum.. and getting newer 8C CPU will work better than old 12C CPUs for example (Ryzen 7 - 7700x Vs Ryzen 9 - 3900x) Getting the 3D version is even better if the price is not that expensive
@lharsay Місяць тому
You are assuming that the architecture would let those 12 cores to be fully utilized.
@Jack_Sparrow131 Місяць тому
@lharsay architecture? You probably mean optimizations & utilization That's totally depends on developers & how they handle the load spread on cores But that won't mean from 6 cores to 13 cores utilization will give you 100% more performance The more cores you add, the less beneficial they get (especially in games) A lot of games engines (especially old ones) rely heavily on 1-4 cores, the better IPC & Frequency, the better the fps On small workstations, montage & designing programs, they mostly benefit from higher cores count, while in gaming.. games now barely even use 6C - 12T.. even Triple AAA games rarely use the full power of 8C - 16C.. we still a few years from 12C & up.. maybe in next 3 years At least that is what I seen & experienced with my 500+ steam game library (including bad optimized games like Ubi$oft & Bethesda games..etc)
@lharsay Місяць тому
@@Jack_Sparrow131 the Ryzen 9 CPUs have two compute chiplets losely wired to an I/O die which results massive latency between the two. We also see an other factor in play here. There is basically no performance difference between the 7700X, 7900X and 7950X while the 7900X3D lags behind the other two X3D chips, which makes me conclude that the non-X3D chips are bottlenecked by their cache capacity which prevents the proper utilization of all 8 cores on the CCD.
@ryzen_9-3900xt Місяць тому
The ryzen 9 7950x3d is like having a v16 engine and deciding to turbocharging just 8 cylinders on the same side The 7950x3d was destined to greatness And amd made it half wit failure I believed in it soo much I named my Minecraft sword after it like a year before it was announced
@InexorWoW Місяць тому
If you change a single UEFI setting, it'll force CCD0 regardless. It effectively overrides the driver. In CPU SMU settings, its called Preferred Cores or such, set it to Cache. Default is Auto which is the Driver setting.
@faded_mbs593 Місяць тому
I'm gonna go with the 7900x for two reasons. Will need it for other productivity task video editing and programming. Microcenter has a sweet bundle with a mobo and 32 gbs ram
@Raghav-gd3fn Місяць тому
7600x3d whattt!!!! is this real ??
@meepins Місяць тому
It's the projected performance. I seem to remember this being done before (maybe the 7950x3d was the one)
@TheFridgeRadier Місяць тому
7600X3D? You are going to confuse people thinking that there is a unreleased cpu
@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
I mean sure, if they can't listen or read the subtitles :D
@korndud Місяць тому
not if they have ears. he states MULTIPLE times that it's a theoretical cpu.
@jorge69696 Місяць тому
Lol me. I couldn't believe I missed that launch. I skipped directly to the benchmarks.
@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
I talk about how it's not a real part multiple times during the benchmarks.
@jasonmey5235 Місяць тому
It's the 7900X3D with the non-3D V-Cache CCD disabled. Steve mentioned at the start of the benchmarks that it's a theoretical part, like how he used this configuration on the 7950X3D to effectively review the 7800X3D before it released.
@Sherin974 Місяць тому
The edge cases of the chip not communicating properly is a future diagnostic headache. Just another thing to keep in the back of the mind to try and disable this to see if it resolves the issue.
@ValeriyKarpin78 Місяць тому
Waiting for your Mercedes-Benz chair review 😮
@Demonwicked Місяць тому
got a new 7800x3d for 250, its still way cheaper
@pixel7005 Місяць тому
Where?
@Demonwicked Місяць тому
@@pixel7005 some dude was selling it new after buying it and deciding intel is better, I said OK and walked home with my "worse" cpu
@goregejones7248 Місяць тому
@@Demonwickedhis loss 😂
@theexpatgunner Місяць тому
Nice I paid 310 EUR and thought that was a steal!
@mariusjohannessen9626 Місяць тому
Ryzen 5 7600X3D???????
@LBXZero Місяць тому
I have a 7900X3D from launch. I reconsidered for the 7950X3D after they sold out and settled back for the 7900X3D. So far, it works fine. I currently have it on a custom water loop. I know the max multiplier for CCD0 is locked. So far, the primary performance limit I have hit with the 7900X3D is that 120W TDP, which is a locked limit. If I could increase that, the CPU could be hitting the max multiplier limit under an all core load. I don't need to boost the voltage. Otherwise, I have made another basic adjustment to motherboard BIOS that could change these results. I have CPPC set to Cache, which places priority on CCD0 over CCD1. I just need benchmark recommendations to properly test the results of this setting. The other problem, although, is I am running with a liquid cooled RX 6900 XT, which is not an RTX 4090, so any comparisons with the problem games on this list are still subject to that factor.
@edragyz8596 Місяць тому
5:54 It's worth noting that in the case of DirectX Raytracing, the 7950x3D pulls back ahead in Cyberpunk because of BVH workload spreading. If the BVH requires 10% of eight 7800x3D cores, then the 7950x3D will only lose 5% per core because it has double the cores to spread the work to. This "5%" (percentage not exact) does actually translate to higher FPS as was shown in a previous HUB video. Edit: Note this is ALSO the case with the standard 7950x, which manages to tie the 7800x3D (Cyberpunk RT) in the original review.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
Ye it's reason i bought 7950x3d: to have more overhead, backup to keep the gaming core clean of latency penalty, i've used a photoshop (competitor) software with a game (window but heavy on cpu) next to it, and it's super nice: fps don't drop weither i use software or not weight i use image rendering or not. Also better for power consumption, most of my cores work at 1ghz for small tasks, it's known to be insanely power efficient there. the 7800x3d cores would clock higher, probably using more power, even with the dual cCD 10 watt penalty in power use.
@DaKrawnik Місяць тому
You nailed it.
@maxdoe6534 Місяць тому
Harware Unboxed, the hardware heroes we need ;) glad to have the information out there for the people that could need it. Not me though *cough 7800X3D cough*
@maxryan4562 Місяць тому
Would you ever consider doing a competitive settings cpu benchmark video? Like Fortnite performance mode low settings, csgo low settings, valorant low settings and COD warzone/multiplayer low settings.
@ludwigrevolution3288 Місяць тому
I already knew this but damn, the 1% lows get a huge uplift from the 3D cache
@spacechannelfiver Місяць тому
It's sort of tempting for me for the combination of productivity and gaming performance at a _reasonable_ price, but i'm still on AM4 so was planning to skip this entire generation and replatform onto AM5 with Zen 5 as that's a substantial investment for CPU/Mobo/RAM and likely SSD storage and a new case + redoing cooling. I'm a mixed mode user, so do a lot of productivity stuff like development alongside gaming; but it's not how I make my living really so time isn't money; just convenience. FWIW I am currently running a 3900X CPU with 64GB of RAM which generally seems fine to drive my 7900XT at 4K without being too CPU bottlenecked (Dragons Dogma says hi!)
@YAAMW Місяць тому
7900X3D + RTX 4090 has been my combo for more than one year now. I just encountered too many slowdowns while using the 5800X3D from background tasks and I honestly can't be bothered to close all backgound tasks and browsers EVERY TIME I want to game. I wanted to get the 7950X3D but couldn't due to some import restrictions at the time. Thanks for making this video. 5% performance loss is absolutely fine by me and by the time it becomes an issue, I will most likely be using the 9950X3D or whatever they decide to call it.
@Matti6950 Місяць тому
I'm like you: all background apps open :D My 4 core 8 year old ivy bridge clearly had issues, and i'm sad i didn't have more cores. Now i think 8 cores will have this in future, so i bought 7950x3d. Very happy i did. It never looses responds, even when doing image editing and game at same time (i alt tab during load screen), fps is same, with or without software, i'm pretty certain 7800x3d would get a drop.
@heilitlpgamingmitherz9536 Місяць тому
Es war geil gewesen wenn auch noch die Temperatur der CPUs gezeigt drinne wäre sonst gutes Video
@micahottaway8455 Місяць тому
Great video as always. I wonder if will AMD ever design a CPU with every CCD having its own 3D V-cache.
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
They have. But those are eye watering expensive Epyc CPUs for scientific compute. That's where the technology originated, but some AMD engineer got the bright idea of ordering one of those CCDs put on an AM4 socket and started testing which desktop applications would respond well to it... and discovered that quite a few games went on steroids from it.
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