You should watch the review by " dope or nope " channel . it was a brutal assessment of the marketing gimmickry used by apple to market the vision pro , yet mostly was fake . the funniest i reckon was the part that they tell u to do Yoga & meditation with the vision pro ...." eyes wide open " ....hahaha. try meditating like this ...yea try it . its weird .

The hand tracking kicks in if you understand how to use it. It's explained in the tutorial. Clap both controllers against each other and hand tracking is active. Please do the tutorial first, instead of sharing wrong information with the audience. The way you've told this it seems like it's some kind of random at which point you can start using the hand tracking. Regarding resolution: you can bump this up as much as you want with a specific app. Then everything looks crisp. Please do your research before. And at the beginning you said AVP is for work and watching movies and Q3 is games and fitness ...social is missing and ofc MOVIES!!! It has all the apps you need, even big screen one of the best apps ever made for this.

Soon Quest 3 can track hands and controllers at the same time, so no need for clapping the controllers at each other to activate hand tracking.

Yeah the yt flagging is getting outta control 😔. All good tho, vid put me to sleep regardless of the missing content

You guys could hire a group to make a set of scenes in different lighting conditions. Original scenes won’t cause copyright issues. It will also create a uniformity in visuals testing allowing better benchmarking. Y’all could go even further by creating a channel across app stores with this content that allows you to add uniformity to testing those functions as well. Slap the CNET logo in the corner of the videos and let other reviewers use them too.

Sure, I guess Macbooks Pro helped to sell a lot of Windows PCs. Thats a very flawed logic still. macOS and Macbook are better devices and better software overall. I had both and currently have a PC build with a 4090. My build cost me like 3k$. And i like macOS over Window and my laptop is an RazerBlade and is the closest thing to a Macbook Pro build and is just as expensive. So i do think Macbooks are better than most Windows laptops. (The build the speakers, the battery, all much better)

No, the real selling point is the library , but generalist tech tester like CNet or influencer doesn't talk bout that, meta have more than 8 years of library maturity, they are the pioneer in this tech with more than 1000 app made for the headset, AR and VR, the majority of vision pro app ATM are metaquest's port , even the first "spatial computing " app that comes in AVP like immersed are designed originally for the metaquest.

​​@@powerhouse884I agree with you, but the main problem is the software ATM , meta have more than 8 years of library development , it's like selling a windows with lot of app and game and a MacBook with only TextEdit. For exemple movie and video, yes metaquest quality is less than AVP, but on the quest you can see movie in environment like theater with more than 40 other quest user in the room in form of avatar, speak to them even throw popcorn at them, change seat etc...

@@pigeonramier6898 They did talk about that. They LITERALLY mentioned that on the video. LOL

​@@powerhouse884Lol you do know more people are likely to buy a Windows PC than a Mac right? Like over 70% of the Market is literally Windows PC

Because Meta is selling it at a loss because they were forced to because of how bad the Quest Pro did and the Metaverse was a failure. you realize 1 year ago Meta had to reduce the price of the Quest PRO from $1500 down to $1000 because no one was buying it. That was Meta trying to make a buck and it failed. The AVP costs $1700 to make which is not worst than what Meta was doing with the Quest Pro.

​@@Richmondthefish how do you know the manufacturing costs of the vision pro , apple is not the type of company to release such figures , and All its components are custom designed by apple , not off the shelf

​@@victorozurumba2300 Apple buys the components from other manufactures. You understand Sony makes the OLED screens right? Anyway there are companies that analyze upstream supply chain and can provide figures for the direct costs of acquiring and assembling the components. Obviously variations to the costs can occur due to specific agreements with suppliers but in general we have ideas on the costs. In short the AVP is extremely expensive to make.

@@Richmondthefish They're not selling it at a loss anymore. They did that with the Quest 2 which was only $299 but later became $399. Now the Quest 3 is $499.

@@Ni5ei Do you not understand that the Quest 3 costs more to make than the Quest 2?

I bought an atmos sound system + a 4k projector + a 4070 PC + an oculus quest 3 for roughtly the money I’d spend on an AVP. It’s ludicrous.

Yes, but the Apple cultists LOVE to flaunt how much money they have, and how expensive their tastes are... 🧐🎩

Yeah honestly people that buy these headsets are basically supporting greedy corporations that obscenely rip off customers. I honestly think they should boycott them like Wendy's when they tried to introduce the overpriced food.

immersed and Fluid are Heavy hitter apps for sure

Absolutely agree...I too am an Apple Fanboy but I love my Quest 3 over the AVP right now(2024)

Immersed is a joke of an app that is extremely buggy. And yes, there is already APPS in AVP that allow for multi display when remote connected. And even then, just remove the PC from this equation, Quest 3 is extremely limited for productivity. The AVP OS is far superior and more capable as a stand alone device without having to also lug around a laptop or computer. This being said, Quest 3 is obviously always going to be the best value. No matter how much AVP improves. AVP is not for everyone. Apple knows this. Once this is accepted, then this whole dispute over which is better for "everyone" is over.

Fluid and Immersed suck. It’s better to just have a great native UI that is actually useable and supports productivity. Instead you have to rely on clunky third party apps that put up more friction to getting to your work than it’s worth. This is where apple and its ecosystem shine. Meta is a game console. that’s what it’s good at, now all of a sudden they want to claim to also be a great productivity device. Technically a Wii could surf the web and play Netflix too but you’d rather do it on an iPad.

why are you comparing quest 3 with the apple vision pro. shouldnt you compare the quest pro with the apple vision pro????

Actually yes it can now there is a mod that makes the vision work for pcvr

Yes, but it is not very easy to use- you have to compile your own app at this stage. @@ms3862

@@ms3862 Mod. Not every vision pro user can write xcode or has a developer account.

​​@@ms3862but it doesn't work that well yet, and you have to spend extra money to get the dev port device. On top of extra cost if you don't already have the base stations and controllers.

​@@ms3862 It will be impractical for most people to use and I'm sure Apple, being the greedy company they are, will find a way of breaking it.

This!

Friend you can do that without a Quest or Vision...

@@Healthy_Toki No there currently no way to do those things on AVP. Only solo

@@Healthy_Tokiits not the same experience

@@Healthy_Toki Way to miss the point

Quest 3 hand tracking is absolute garbage compared to apple.

​@MarkHuynh7 eh, it's a toss up. Apple hand tracking is only 30hz, and lags a lot in different apps

You must not have tried both​@@MarkHuynh7

​@@MarkHuynh7you have a quest 3 ?

Hand tracking in AvP works great. Use it all the time when I don’t want to pinch type.

But your comments are even better . too bad only 4 thumbs up . yes i wish there are more like u out there . i recently returned the PSVR2 after using it once . look i did try the quest 3 and thought the PSVR2 cant be that way off , and since i had PS5 then why not psvr2 . how wrong i was ....the quest 3 is way better . sony is very smart not to have u try samples . i was in osaka in fact , not a single PSVR2 to try . i just bought based on the trust . i think many who trusted apple on this are gonna be like me .

Every version of the quest has been monumentally better than the last. And they're all affordable. The next one will probably come out in like 3 years and it'll be easily on par with the Apple Vision pro in terms of hardware (and better in some other cases), but at a fraction of the cost. Not to mention still having way more functionality.

It's already 4k per eye no ?

4k would be 3840x2160, the Q3's native resolution is 2064x2208 @@pigeonramier6898

Here is Quest Pro 2- better UI and Improved hand tracking and X2 Pro chipset, I bet we see it in 2024/2025 for 1500

​@@LARVideosI'm not sure I'd call the Quest Pro "affordable". Sure, not as much as AVP, but still not exactly affordable

100% agree. DRM is ridiculous - I am sure in time they will figure this out. Especially when a more affordable version launches eventually.

That's why apps like Bigscreen on Steam and Quest are so awesome. Turning next to you and talking to your friend while watching a movie even when they're not physically next to you is an awesome experience.

What's to stop Big Screen from also appearing on AVP? nothing. This being said, Quest app eco system is meant for gaming/socializing. AVP is a personal computing experience and is aimed for a different consumer who doesn't care about gaming or socializing in VR with others etc. It isn't meant for the masses at the price. @@LARVideos

SharePlay on Apple TV works wonders.

I am sure this is coming soon. Apple has SharePlay across all other devices. It’s only a matter of time.

Unlike you I've owned Meta products for years. It's crap. I've had devices bricked mutiple times from various bugs. Look up Quest bootloop issue and let me know how many hits you get. Also ask yourself the following question. Why is Meta selling the Quest 3 at a loss?

@@Richmondthefish All console manufacturers sell at a loss and hope to make up more than the difference in content sales

@@Richmondthefish that’s fair. Bad experiences with a product line can certainly do that. It’s working well for me, for now. If you’d like to send me your favorite VR headset, I’m 1000% willing to be wowed in lieu of Meta. 😅

Me too the Zuck sold me on his product… I like the idea that meta has lost 50 billion since 2020 on VR and I’m getting a very expensive VR headset in the Quest 3 at a huge discount … I got skybox vr and packed the 512 GB with movie files and is a great experience watching on a large virtual cinema screen …. Immersed is also good…. All the native meta apps are good too and I like the build quality of the little device … it feels premium …

@@tagg8233 This isn't a console buddy and Meta is not making money in sales to cover the losses like a console. Meta attempted to price the Quest Pro at $1500 and it failed so bad they had to price it down to $1000 right away. Meta is forced to price their headsets low because the general public feels they do not warrant the price above that. The only reason people are talking about the Quest right now is because of Apple.

You could, but then you wouldn't have an AVP.

FACTS DAWG.

Maybe , but for me it's a detail, I don't give. F*** having better passthrough of I only can do 1% of the other headset can

@@pigeonramier6898standard response of those who never used or owned both.

Based on my experience of both Apple vision is much better way To handle pass through

@@jcthinker it's a 3500 $ product who waited 8 years before releasing their headset to analyse what the other constructor ( the real pioneer) made, so , fortunately that the passthrough is better, by the way, passthrough is a metaquest term...

@@pigeonramier6898 I like the quest as well so not sure why there is hostility. I think everyone should go get a quest. Much better for its value.

I bought the MQ3 when it came out in October, even though I intended to buy the Vision Pro when it came out. Like you, I was impressed by the quality (I was coming from an Oculus Go), and I had fun with it. My kids had fun with it too. Their favorite game is Gorilla Tag. They had been pressuring me for some time to get a Quest 2, but I told them I didn't want to because there was a Quest 3 in the works (it hadn't been announced yet, but Quest 2 had been out for a while). So I also bought Quest 3 so they wouldn't be bugging me to use my Vision Pro. It turns out that sharing the Vision Pro is very difficult. The only way seems to be Guest Mode, which is a pain to use regularly. With the Quest 3 I set up two users. One for me, and one for the four of them. I could have set up one for each, but I didn't want the administration headaches. Which brings up a reason why the Quest 3 is an even better value than the 1/7 price would suggest. If you buy the Vision Pro, you're likely to be the only one who uses it regularly. When you're not using it, it's sitting on a shelf. In my case, the Quest 3 gets used several hours a day, as the kids take turns (and argue over whose turn is next). I did buy the Vision Pro. I like it and I'm keeping it. I love watching content on it. The easy integration with my other Apple products was something I missed on the Quest 3. Spatial videos are incredible. I've been an amateur 3D photographer for over 30 years. Spatial Videos don't look as good on Quest 3, but I'm glad they added the feature to view them. It's good for iPhone 15 Pro users who want to see their spatial videos in 3D but don't want to spend the money for a Vision Pro. And you can view immersive video on Quest 3. The UKposts VR app is free to install. And you can download and view VR180 3D content or stream it from a media server using an app like Pigasus (which costs $7). You can even make your own immersive videos with some expensive camera equipment. Or, there is a consumer version from Canon that has been demoed, but isn't yet available to buy.

It's definitely a different approach. Apple wants you to be in the physical space you're already in, and interacting with the people who are physically near you. Meta wants you to be interacting with people who aren't necessarily close to you physically. I think the two approaches will converge, and you'll be able to watch a movie on Vision Pro with someone, and look over and see their persona, and even have a conversation with them while you watch the movie even though they're not actually with you. Still, Apple will lean into their "Spatial Computing" vision. They're okay with disappointing people who understand "what a vr or ar should be", if it brings in people who don't care about that. The original iPhone was a "smart phone" that smart phone users derided as not very smart. A finger is a poor substitute for the precision of a stylus. How can you call yourself a "smart" phone if you don't even have cut and paste? And so on.

yeah he made it seem like Quest 3 is not that good for movies when besides no 4k and dobly vision the quest 3 is the better product for movies .. sure APV is like going to a Dobly Vision Theater , but for $500 the Quest 3 is like going to a Local theater with friends etc not as high Quality as the AVP 4k screens but more than good enough for Big screen movie watching in 2k

You should try doing your own review and include all that information

Well he gave enough information to know that after all of that for movies AVP is still better and more crispier. He also gave MQ3 it's respect for projecting multiple screens and also stated that sharing is where it shines. Nothing more need to be said and it literally won the head to head. Also the resolution is it's biggest weakness now let us see where Meta takes this

The Meta (previously Oculus) Quest app has actually been pretty damn kickass for like ≈4-5 years now. 🤷 You can literally setup entire headsets with it aside from like the first legal user agreement screens. Aka download and manage whatever apps you want, set up specific user accounts, etc...

LOL your opinion. I have the AVP and I use it for what it was designed for.

@@voodoodisco people with the quest 3 aren't walking around in public with it on their head like an idiot

@@droningoninscotland6124 LOL fair. but you first called it a 'fashion accessory' -- have you tried one? it doesn't have to fit your needs but to have so much distain for it is a weird flex. it is what it is. it's a super fantastic augmented head computer. You're wearing a Mac in your goggles. Just because someone drives a nice more than capable Hyundai Elantra doesn't mean someone has to hate a Bentley. Both are nice cars but one has exceptional build, engineering, high end components, and world-class quality.

It makes Apple sense.

There are AR glasses like that. Great idea.

Yes. They are called "adjustable diopters" and have been included on a number of headsets before. The problem with adjustable diopters is that if you have the lenses set even just a biiiit incorrectly for your retinas, it can do serious damage to your eyes in the exact same way that wearing glasses not meant for you can. 🤷 For them to work in a mass market consumer product it would all need to be motorized/automatic and able to both precisely match a person's entered prescription AND not be manually adjustable at ALL for those with normal vision. Otherwise the risks/liabilities will simply outweigh the pros for massive mega-tech companies as big as Meta and Apple.

More like *499$ controllers you meant?

You realize the AVP literally just came out weeks ago and it's only in 1 country. Your comparing it to a company thats been doing VR for years with multiple devices. Why not wait until AVP is actually released world wide with time to see the store develop. It's hilarious seeing people comparing the two.

@@RichmondthefishThats my thought 100% people comparing somethings thats out in 1 country and been out like 2 weeks 🤣🤣🤣. watch this space

@@Richmondthefish Hence why I said “for now”

@@CityLifeinAmerica Well duh...the device has to come out first before it can get into the hands of developers. As soon as it comes out people think they have a 'hot take' that there is a lack of software a couple weeks out.

@@Symbiotix_Gamer Yeah just insanely dumb takes. We are talking about a lack of software when developers can't even buy it in most parts of the planet. And on top of that they compare it to the library from a company that is company up on it's 5th year.

For watching movies alone, Q3 is incredible, agree MA DAWG!

It's mixed .. quest 3 has multiple screens, more software, better sharing, better games/controllers... It is only lacking a little bit from the virtual clarity

Sounds like you need to return your quest 3. I've not come across any text that's illegible on the quest 3. Not to say the pass through is perfect, but you can read just about any text.

I agree with you. I can’t read my iPhone or iPad at all. I can read large text on paper. Text in the browser is certainly readable, but not crisp. Text is actually better in the Immersed app if you set it to Retina display, but that requires a pc or Mac.

@@tenorenstrom i used other meta quest 3, not only the mine one, and it was the same, and looking around the internet almost everybody seems to be in my exact same situation… it’s rare someone says it has a that good passtrough… so strange

@@maurodambra4788 I can read books and screens. Still wouldn't call it good. The benchmark for me is human vision. Thus neither quest 3 nor avp has good pass through.

Couldn't agree more part of the fun of VR games is feeling things playing anything without haptic is just not fun

i think it's the studio lighting. in normal house lighting the phone gets blown out but when everything is as bright as the phone the cameras can adjust

Ambient lighting is everything

Meta really messed up with the Quest Pro. It has a lower resolution than the Quest 2! I hope they learned something from that silly decision.

Yea I learned that lesson about 1 day into owning a headset and watching the screen recordings. In their defense it really is unnatural. Even without holding anything in your hands, you have to remember to look at things at like 1/4 speed and walk like you’re a steadicam operator. 😅

The vision pro is heavier and if you count the battery it's way heavier than the quest 3 which as a battery on the backside of the headset. Honesty it's unlike apple to have a cord for the battery. This is why the quest 3 has an advantage as it's completely wire free.

With VR/AR burnin is pretty much a non issue. I can think of no case where pixels would tend to be static in an AR/VR environment.

Yes, quest 3

You can buy multiple different AR/VR devices from mainstream companies right now. Who is making or investing in flying cars?

Yes

As long as it's on. It also works with Mac minis

Absolutely. It’s not even funny.

From other reviews, the quest 3 has the bigger sweetspot. Not much glare on Quest 3 either, so the lens is better on the Quest 3.

Everything will be :) Zuckerberg has confirmed that eye tracking will be back in the next version. Along with the redesigned environment, which has been in the works for a while, Quest will still be the first choice for me. I'm not in the Apple ecosystem, so Vision pro doesn't make sense for me. I only have an iPad. But even if I had other Apple devices, after playing the MR demo of First Encounters game on Q3 for the first time after buying it, I would still opt for Quest 3.

I think they have updated the UKposts app now so it shows much higher than 480p.

Same here.

I wouldn't be so sure. The Quest Pro 2 will probably retail for at least $2000 to match the specifications of the Vision Pro, and then you are outside of the value bracket. $2k vs $3.5k is still a huge price difference, but the subjective value proposition is a lot closer than $499 vs $3.5k. Not saying Meta can't do it, but apple has a huge advantage at a premium price point from an ecosystem/software perspective.