It's not really a conversation when nobody disagree with you or challenge what you propose as "fact". I don't think you would have liked a 30 minutes video of people agreeing that trans woman shouldn't compete against biological women.

What happened to sex and gender being different?

3 trans athletes had a conversation. you dont have to watch if you dont want to.@@gianlucaangeli2905

@@gianlucaangeli2905 "biological women" 🚩🚩🚩🚩

@@ThomAvella if you cant define a biological woman then you cant define a trans woman

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@@p-__ fr 👃🏻👃🏻👃🏻

I would argue that this topic absolutely relates to you! Cis white men are the primary target audience for sports. Even if you're not a sports fan, you're very likely to be around them. You can be the voice supporting trans athletes that we need!

@@Seaweedgirl1 no, people don't want mentally ill men that think they are woman in womans sports. In fact, we don't want them around woman at all.......Woman have spoken outright on this...Teams have walked off the playing felid bc of this and we support them.

What does cis mean

That would be amazing to see on a channel with his reach! I'd love to see a discussion from indigenous people from different places (canada, australia, etc) and see how things are different and the same, depending!

I would love to see that too!

I love this idea, I am not a person of Native, Indiginous, or Inuit decent but I love hearing the stories from creators who are. There is so much lost history, stories, cuture there.

Some interesting assumptions might be "Native Americans are mostly gone" or "Pow-wows are only for Natives of a specific tribe" or "Native Americans don't believe in modern medicine" or "Native, Inuit, Indigenous, and "Indian" all mean the same thing" - these are some things I have heard Native and Inuit creators speak about before.

This would be awesome! Maybe comparing the varying experiences of each native group and their individual tribes

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Same! I’m autistic and ADHD.

I came here to say the same thing!

@@saxenart Hey, me too. :)

I'm all for it as a person with Aspergers.

@@Nicky2414 aspergers is just autism. Please don’t use aspergers anymore because it’s a natzi term and an outdated term. It’s not in the dsm-5 and it’s not used to diagnose people anymore.

As a trans dude, I'm perfectly comfortable with my body I just don't like when others judge my body because it makes me anxious.

I totally agree with you @viknightingale552 ^^ And I would like to add : I'm waiting for the day where the trans category in sports would be finally created.

I agree. I see co-ed sports as a necessary step to challenge discrimination and encourage the rawness of competition.

Being a trans guy on a men's team, you would have to work 5x as hard to be at their physical levels and that'd be unfair to you. That's why I quit sports because the disadvantages were too large to ignore.

​@@eddiestefon7041would you though? trans men who are on testosterone have similar hormone levels to cis men, so they'd have to put in about the same amount of effort as far as I know

That's because there was noone arguing against them. This is just an echo chamber, it has no bearing on reality because there is no challenge. It's just people saying things, without any sort of challenge or debate this is just a cash grab video for y'all tik tok addicts.

@@frankcaggiano8282There’s still beauty in these kind of videos even if it’s an echo chamber.

@@timothyyu6558 for sure, but the intent is to just push the narrative and spread misinformation and emotionally charged ragebait, which I think is irresponsible.

@@frankcaggiano8282 That's literally the only chance we get to talk about it. All other scenarios we just get shut down or silenced because no one dares to listen to what we have to say.

@@wootkennziz6914 this is so patently false it hurts. Literally every second tik tok is about trans this, twitter posts about trans that, it's talked about HEAVILY on every social media platform on the planet. Let's be real here

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I see what you did there!

I adore your pfp

There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have. Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define. This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives). Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them. A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces/sports reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want?

@@ambientjohnny you are wasting your useless breath.

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he uploaded an echo chamber conversation, didn't partake cuz this needs opposition, and Anthony only ever nods and asks questions and reiterates what someone already said or assumes what they're gonna say in next 1min

@@wasd3108Although this only had people from one side, there is a reason for that. It’s not meant to be an argument it’s meant to show a side that is often silenced. The women here are athletes who have done research on this topic and are therefore credible. It would be more of an echo chamber if they were only giving opinions and not stating facts. The whole point of Assumptions is to clear up any confusion that there is about a minority group. It would be kind of silly to include people who cannot relate and people who have different experiences.

@@bean6725 "It would be kind of silly to include people who cannot relate and people who have different experiences." experience the facts or relate to the facts? ;D Ends in bias. Love it

@@wasd3108 Yes it ends in “bias” because this is not a debate. No matter who is talking, there will always be “bias”. I’m using quotes around the word because you are getting their individual lived experiences confused with the word itself. The difference here is that you see their experience as biased. I can see your point though because everyone is more likely to form opinions based SOLELY on their own experiences. But they aren’t just doing that. If they were taking a stance but not providing any evidence/support, it would be a biased claim.

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I feel like you wouldn’t say this about people you agree with

It was also due to focus groups just asking people what they thought in a community that is not known for being kind towards trans women which was their main statement on the news when they announced it There was also alot of criticism on the study they did as there is simply not enough significant data due to lack of trans women competing to reach much conclusion and outright ban and trans cyclists such as Emily Bridges were already parcipating in a study that was leading towards the opposite conclusion as their study Also the olympic regulation has always been 2 years of hrt before competing where it is know there is little biological benefit after that time period So it's odd they studied on one year and decided that's final and ban them no matter how long right?

He's created an echo chamber, not one of them cares to present opposing data because they all represent a single position.

It's funny how you transphobes can NEVER explain what these "advantages" actually are.

@@rachele183 are you implying that female cyclists are not known for being friendly towards trans women? Because from the Sky News announcement they only asked other women competitors. You’re not wrong on that point, however as pointed out in this video there will probably not be any significant data for several decades if we are going just by pure numbers because their just are not that many trans athletes competing and there probably never will be going by demographics if that stays the same as it is now. The Olympics want the individual sporting bodies to regulate their own sports with their own studies, while it has it’s own opinions it is only a competition at the end of the day not a governing body. If it was then sports like synchronised swimming and boxing wouldn’t have been single sex for so long. If you go back and watch both the British Cycling and World Athletics announcement they both say they they are conducting further studies and open to more data. Going by the British Cycling announcement thought it seems clear to me they were most worried about legal challenges, I’m guessing from “cis” women, which is why they rushed into these bans.

@@isoutoforbit first off I’m a woman and second off I’m very open to new data and studies proving me wrong. I gain no pleasure from seeing people be excluded because sport participation is a human right. In an argument it’s the group challenging the status quo who present the data technically, however the point of my comment wasn’t to reference any particular study but to point out that what she said was inaccurate. These governing bodies changed their policies due to doing their own studies. The same can’t be said for these states and their new anti trans laws which from what I can see are mostly political posturing. Each sport has a duty to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. For example the ISU didn’t change their trans inclusion policy and their will be many sports that won’t have to either.

No bc trans "affirming" care is harming and killing trans people and kids

@@carmen3091 all the evidence points to the opposite, actually.

@@snowballeffect7812what how? Can u see this evidence.

Why are sex and gender only different when it's convenient for them?

im sorry@@MicrowavedFurby

It's awful that this issue directly affects THEM but they never get too talk about it themselves.

Hearing them talk about the topic and make really bad arguments is helpful. They presented their best arguments and revealed how weak their arguments are. A sex-segregated category for women (individuals born with a female reproductive structure) and an open category is the only way to go.

@@Nocturne22 Hearing them talk about the topic and make really bad arguments is helpful. They presented their best arguments and revealed how weak their arguments are. A sex-segregated category for women (individuals born with a female reproductive structure) and an open category is the only way to go.

Yes and every argument was dishonest/ full of fallacies. Seriously. Every point. Name the STRONGEST point you think they made. Go ahead.

Exactly

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Yes! Especially feminine or gay trans guys who don’t fit that narrative whatsoever.

thats like 1% of the 1% so prob wont happen fun fact 99% of the population never was in a mental health facility remember to diversify your friend group a short term happynes/=longterm

​​@@TheTruePlaguethat's not really 1% of 1%, but about 50% of 1%. also your fun fact has nothing to do with this unless you are trying to pursue an agenda

@@umtic how is 0.5% of the global population trans athleats

That’s because it’s not a debate

Why are sex and gender only different when it's convenient for them?

It's just a circle jerk of people agreeing with each other

@@MicrowavedFurby they are always different what do you mean?

@@lokeyartistThen how are there are no biological differences between biological women and trans women?

This a new series and the only groups he conformed is gay posters and furries

@@noahvercetti7959and asexuals as well! But these ideas are great too

yessssssss

I am so excited!!🖤🩶🤍💜

ace rep omg

lowkey excited - ace ally

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They’re saying the advantage can be eliminated via testosterone suppression

​@@Kylek1133male puberty isn't reversible and where the advantage comes from... and kids shouldn't stop their natural puberty for many reasons.... so it's just never going to be fair.

@@amirrhodesve791 why shouldn’t kids stall off their puberty? There are like minimal side effects. They can just stop taking the puberty blockers and their puberty starts up like normal.

@@Kylek1133 it can leave kids with underdeveloped genitals, low sex drive, underdeveloped mental ability... puberty blockers are banned in every Country other then Canada and America for kids ... why is that????

​@@amirrhodesve791uh, no they aren't??? They're literally used for medical purposes outside of being trans lol

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Lia thomas hasnt won like that in forever since her transition's progressed iirc

Exactly. I was like "what? Do they live under a rock and never heard at least of Lia Thomas?"

@@AliceMGT Yes maybe because they are not a good athlete anyway. They tied with the biologically female athlete that one time even though Lia was way bigger. When Lia was in men's sports they were not doing well at all as an athlete.

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He is providing his platform for needed conversations, while also giving people the protagonism they deserve. Something so basic and respectful, yet not many people do it.

​@@liliveliz4153lol this room is full of people with the same opinion. Straight away it lost me.

@@user-il3mv5kt3s because they're the ones affected by legislation and hatred the most. Ofc it's going to be similar opinions. Plus they're the ones who are trans. This series is supposed to be a conversation (not a debate, there's a difference between the two) about assumptions and misconceptions about groups of people.

Their pursuit of happiness shouldn't trump every one elses. By letting a transwoman compete in womens sports, it makes all the hard work and effort of the other women meaningless. Feminists should be enraged!

​@@AraanorCategorically wrong

I don't identify as a feminist bc that group has been corrupted too. That's the thing, men are dressing like women and claiming that makes them a woman. No real commitment needed to walk into a locker room and expose yourself in front of kids in spas. It happens.

​​@mythicalthings1796 how their right look at Fallon fox in mma broke a woman's skull a ridiculous advantage in sports

@@potatobro_the_fifth2045 So I’m not sure if you are aware, but orbital fractures tend to happen in a sport where two competitors punch each other in the face over and over. Just a thought.

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Cringey? Without that video you probably wouldn’t be here right now. That video alone is what made a lot of people get into UKposts.

Oppressed?

@@michaelg6455 did they stutter

@@mshoney9301 they are the opposite of oppressed, they are celebrated and given special treatment. Just because some people don’t like you doesn’t make you oppressed.

1. They aren't marginalized. They're doing too much. 2. No one thinks they shouldn't exist. Yall are so dramatic with statements like this. People in countries outside the US, Canada and the UK? they are the ones who don't want you to exist!

@@carmen3091 There are so many people in the US, Canada, and UK that don't even believe being trans is /real/.

​@@carmen3091bsffr did u saw all the laws passed thats directed towards trans people?

@@flameobmo Can you list the codes for some of them? I'd like to look into those myself

@@carmen3091 1. Those are trans women, who are a group that is currently marginalized in most countries. 2. There are lots of people who don't think they are real women, and should "return to being the men they once were"

The "different opinions" in this case would just be people debating if these 3 people exist. Human rights isn't a debate, we should be encouraging the talk of "different opinions" as if it isn't purely about debating these peoples lives with people that have no knowledge what it means or what it is like to be trans

@@Izzy-wl7gl That's not the people I'm talking about. It's about if trans women should participate in the women's category because of biological advantages so take someone who works in that field or is highly experienced. I'm not an expert so I won't express any opinion, but an actual expert could. And even if he'd be against trans people, there would at least be a discussion.

​@@sozio1124yeah, I still think it's pretty inevitable that transphobes are gonna sneak into that discussion

@@Al_-cf1dj It really isnt. Anthony hand picks the candidates and he could make a picture of that person for himself. Not everyone who is against trans people is transphobic

@@sozio1124 true but I think it's valid to allow the people who are being talked over to share their perspectives without being pushed against (though I do think a sort of fact check with information popping up on screen would be helpful)

It's an echochamber

@@carmen3091 its not supposed to be a debate. Stop being a debate pervert

@@van7915 pervert? Lol no need to be dramatic

​@@carmen3091that's the point. it's meant to be an echo chamber

oh that would definitely be great

Especially since there is some missinformation. This topic deserves a simple fact check for some claims.

i feel like this and jubilee are just 2 different formats. anthothy's channel has and probably always will be about giving people a voice. meanwhile jubilee's version is a debate. i dont think it means that either one is wrong.

@@jolynecujoh2694 sure. I just mean that trans rights shouldn't be a debate, which is what jubilee is doing

@WishGender while i wholeheartedly agree that trans rights need to exist, i also believe that all opinions should be heard regardless of how wrong we perceive it to be

youre describing jubilee

@@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay wassat

Ill admit atleast your comment listed a format you wanted that is a bit different from most stuff, but imma say what ive said to everyone else. Cis people have gotten to scream their opinion on this topic from the rooftops without letting us speak. Damn near every piece of media made on this topic is just a room of cis people talking about trans=bad. Just give us this one. Call it an echo chamber if you have to, but let us have this one echo chamber. Cis echo chambers are far more prominent

@@CoraTerrion-lp7ki And I fully agree with you on that. I feel like these opinions and storys disprove anything any transphobe has ever said. I suggested the 1 on 1 Format because I feel like seeing transphobes lose this very obvious argument would change even more people's minds.

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Yes

This is sarcasm, right?

@@shrimpinainteasy7370No, trans people are always talked over in this conversation, one that contains only trans voices is actually a good thing.

​​@@shrimpinainteasy7370why would it be sarcastic?

​@@nickyheartbecause this style will just create echo chambers. It's not positive even if you agree with what they are saying

@@gianlucaangeli2905 You use that term, but I don't think you know what it means.

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Yeah itd be totally reasonable for there to be like a limit of "has to medically transition for at least 2 years". Just that no one really wants to research trans folks so they just ban us ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Those stages for the most part are regulated out of existence by rules and standards of that sport. It's a nothing burger.

But, aren't there already regulations for trans people? As you said, depending in what stage of transition they are. I'm actually curious.

@@LuenudCreaciones You have to go through years of hormone therapy, medical visits, extensive testing, ect. By the time they are allowed to participate in women's sports, any biological advantage that may have existed before is nullified.

This is my take. Sports should always be divided into gender/$ex-neutral "classes" of natural aptitude. All sports.

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This was an echo chamber, not better than jubilee

@@carmen3091Jubilee platforms harmful people and tries to legitimize damaging opinions

Dude Jubilie makes conversation... this is an echo chamber... This whole video provided literally no value lmao this is a LITERAL ECHO CHAMBER

@Fadzom Dude. The purpose here is not to "spark debate", it is about making voices heard when a question concerns a specifik group (in this case trans athletes - therefore trans athletes speak in the video), talking about THE ASSUMPTIONS they face.

Because you're literally the same as everyone else just wit ha disability. You're not special

Don't worry, if you want an opposition, watch any other video😁 or the news! Or your comment💜

@@Bunny_Billthis is it. the point isn’t to show you both sides, it’s to show you the side you’ve been missing the whole time. we already know exactly what the oppositional side wants to say, but there’s never been a platform for the voices of those actually affected, which makes me very excited for this series

@@GavHern exactly🤩💜 thank you!

@@Bunny_Billechochamber

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Autism as well.

I’m so excited for what this video can bring to this channel I wanna consume all the info

Womp womp

@@christiankilduff1281 Careful, the school you're teaching at could fire you over that dirty language. lol

I've read over quite a few scientific journals on this topic, and they unanimously agree that even with the appropriate 10nmol/L of testosterone (usually measured as low as 1nmol/L for trans women) as recognized by the IOC, Muscle mass isn't significantly lost or at all proportionally lost beyond the ~12% innate difference between men and women that's been measured time and time again. You'd be entirely correct in saying that the innate difference in frame plays a much bigger role than these women seem to be letting on to, overwhelmingly to me at least made clear by the fact that the first example given is professional cycling where the difference between men and women is as low as 16%, which was the third lowest across 25 sports with data collected, going as high as a 50% difference.

The change in frame isn’t innate. It comes in during puberty. Thus, it’s only an issue if the trans woman went through a male puberty, which is often avoided via puberty blockers.

Bruh haven't you seen the women that compete in professionals sport they can be fucking huge the simple fact is is that sports isn't fair some people are born with an advantage thats the facts

​@@Walleyedwosaikyes, but they shouldn't have an advantage, because they are male.

​@@Am-uj6qntake that one up with biology

I 100% agree as a trans guy

Facts

Thank you so much for this comment. The thing people, be it cis or trans, don’t understand is that gender and sex are and should be two seperated things. Its a biological fact that we are either born as (I mean our sex is either) female or a male and it doesn’t affect only the genetalia, but our entire development of the body. No matter what our gender is or how much somebody operated their body or shifts hormones the body remains. Its really, really not fair to have a trans woman compete with a woman if their physichal capablitiles don’t match.

Thank you yeah I was going to comment the same thing. They didn't touch on if you transitioned after puberty. The whole testing for hormones to me doesn't stop your muscles and build you got when you "were" the other sex. This is the only thing I have been lost on. If anyone can help me understand why it's ethically ok for a tans person who went through puberty the other sex doesn't have an advantage scientifically.

My problem is I know this wouldn't be implemented fairly. They aren't about to use fairness as a reason to make a basketball league for short people you know? It will just be used as a way to push marginalized people out of the spotlight like how chess and disc shooting are separated by gender when there's no biological disadvantages at play. Similarly they aren't going to make cis women take tests to see who they should compete against, it will always always be the trans women who need to take blood tests and stuff. The marginalized will always be seen as taking something that doesn't belong to them, even if they've earned it

Fr tho

Buzzfeed is shallow as hell. This is not

@@calci2679 it "feels" like. The topics are kinda weird. Nothing can be worse than buttfeet.

Another subsidized league. Lol the women's soccer being subsidized and them still being mad, "why don't we get paid more" lol

I’d be really interested in that first topic. Though personally my opinion is to separate pride based on when kink is and isn’t allowed, so that everyone is of age and consenting to possibly see kink gear. I’ve heard a lot of interesting opinions on it though, I’d love to hear more.

Kink is too involved in the community. I am part of the community and have seen many others like me that don't like drag or a lot of the sexual parts about it during pride.

​@MrRandomCan that's the thing, I can't even go to a pride event without feeling uncomftortable or seeing kids at the front of a drag stage. All this can't be avoided that's why I don't consider myself an active follower of the LGB community. I call it LGB like other gay people do for a reason....

The "kink at pride" discourse is so incredibly annoying because to bigots, every queer identity is considered a "kink." Also, if it wasn't for groups like drag queens (which aren't inherently a kink BTW), BDSM peeps, and leather daddies, the queer rights movement wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is.

​@urbanistiq8009 There's actually a fair amount of pay-walled research. There is a lot of greed in academic publishing which hurt researchers.

No there isn’t lol

Yes they are talking about trans women athletes who are on HRT.

yeah the studies they’re referencing analyze trans women who have been on E for 2-3+ years I believe, which is around the point where you’d no longer have a male body to the standards of competitive sports

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@@GavHernI think issue is that trans women went through male puberty that means your bones are structured differently such as density, size and etc So even after testosterone dissipates. You inherently have an advantage. Yes by decreasing testorone you will some bone density and size. However, the bone density/size will remain much higher than significant percentage of women.

@@The6th03 This bone structure and density argument is completely null because the studies that have been done conclue that there is no advantage at all, that includes any possible advantage.

That isn't the actual 'own' that you think it is

I think their point is that trans athletes would be in MUCH higher demand if they offered such an advantage. If trans athletes aren’t actually consistently winning sports competitions then that advantage must not be THAT significant

@@cherrylk4188 Winning shouldn't be the standard, but when that does happen it underscores the point. What is a much more telling metric is how trans women perform when competing in the men's division versus the women's division. The performances should be approximately the same if trans women have no athletic advantages. With that in mind, let's consider the example of Lia Thomas. "By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle, and 554th on the men's team to 5th on the women's team in the 200-yard freestyle." If that isn't unfair, nothing is unfair. Whereas you don't see any trans men dominating men's sports. Because just as male to female transition only partially compensates for male athletic advantage, female to male transition only partially compensates for female disadvantage.

@@synchronium24 Well said.

@@101spacemonkey It lowkey is though😭

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@@p-__ depends what you eat

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the important part is to get mentally ill men that think they are woman OUT of woman's sports or any area deemed solely for woman!!! There's over 4 billion woman on this planet and the mentally ill group isn't even a fraction of a half percent of that......this group of men should not be allowed to bully their way into these areas and disrupt woman's lives.!!!

But i wouldnt watch a 30 min video of transphobes discussing trans sports. Its pointless and just an echo chamber. You need a debate type setting for these

@@nozersit shouldn’t be a debate, these real people are having their humanity stripped from them and they could lose everything, while the “other side” pushes them down. if u wanna watch that go watch middle ground by jubilee they love giving oppressors a voice🥰

because you completely disagree with them. There's plenty of people who are in the middle ideologically. Some people might not think about trans people at all or even be trans supporters but still believe all the misinformation around on this topic. Here, they can hear what trans athletes have to say about it, instead of what transphobic right wing politicians have to say about it. @@nozers

@@steviek27Giving everyone a voice is important…if you don’t like that then why do you live in America when that is one of the biggest values this country was built on. You don’t like people you see as transphobic, people who are actually transphobic don’t like trans people. If you think people you see as transphobic don’t deserve a voice then they can make the same assertion about you. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech for everyone. What if black people weren’t allowed to speak because they were seen as uncivilized? (Much like how you see transphobes as uncivilized.) What if women still weren’t allowed to speak or vote due to being seen as inferior? What if scientists who believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy weren’t allowed to speak because they were seen as lunatics? Progress doesn’t occur in a society that censors free speech…look at North Korea.

@@wigglewaggle3606 That fact that you see the people who are actively discriminating as the same as the people who were and at time still are being discriminated against is wild. Transphobes are not the same as black people, women or scientists because while they were speaking for their rights and facts, transphobes are speaking against rights and only take parts of things to back up their claim and deny things when given clear evidence. This is like saying " but how can you see 2 sides of the debate if you don't give a Nazi a voice and only allow Jews to speak". It's not about civility it's about being downright immoral and cruel.

Too be fair, all of Anthonys videos are like this. He never really brings up any counterarguments to the people he talk to. Thinking he would do so now is unlikely based on all his other videos

Echo chambers are when you organise an entire conversation with just people who agree with you. That is EXACTLY what this is.

​@@thetrain47539like every single time fox or literally any other conservative media outlet has talked about trans people? Like when they get all the cis people on tv and all tell us how trans=bad and cis=good.

​@@ProfessorPrelit's because Anthony's videos are not about debating and reaching conclusions, but see views and life styles of people. do you want people to debate in documentaries?

​@@thetrain47539yes and what's wrong with echo chambers?

often times trans women lose, the media only focuses when they win or place highly due to transphobia, you aren’t immune to propaganda, i hope this helps!!!

The opposing voice is all that's heard in 99% of media with all major news orgs like Fox and BBC have significant anti trans bias. Not to mention sites like UKposts Banning LGBT creators more often than homophobes

The point of the video isn’t about debate it’s about trans women being heard and having a platform to say what they have to say about the sports argument.

there are already so many mainstream videos and platforms that talk about why trans women should be banned in sports. i get your point, but this video isn't meant as a debate. it's to give minorities a platform to debunk incorrect assumptions about them, hence the name.

@@frinkywinkythey aren’t debunking anything though they’re spreading false information.

This is such a comforting comment. I hope you & your child are doing well, and thank you for educating yourself!

Take this for what it is, coffee talk. The slavery evolution thing it's bs propaganda

​@@zerothehero3426 i know it's uncomfortable to think about but slave owners did actually breed their slaves as though they were livestock

stop grooming your children

You are the uninformed though

Ooh that would be interesting. Bring back the DID people! :)

I doubt I would make it into the episode, but as someone with DID (dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) I would LOVE to see an episode about and centering the voices of us, or even talk on the show my/ourself!

@@ollieroo3334In case you didn’t know if you want to check it out, Anthony did a video interviewing people with DID!

because its unfair for women if a woman goes against a man in boxing then shes gonna be knocked out straight away

If you think the human race evolves in such a small amount of time, you’re an idiot. It takes thousands of years for change throughout generations

That's false. The reason why black people are naturally stronger is not because of american slavery, it's because they evolved in a bit of a different way. Africa is full of wild and dangerous animals and most of those people had to resort to more "barbaric" stuff in order to survive for a long amount of years. American slavery lasted about 90 years, which is not nearly enough to 'evolve' in such way. One of the reasons why black slaves were sold by their black masters to whites and carried to the USA was because of their strength and endurance. They already were stronger and more endurable, not the other way around.

@@gjbsarmeri3957 Oh. That's a good point, thank you for clarifying.

@@clockguy5436 No worries. A lot of people don't really understand that slavery is not really what shaped modern black culture and their gene pools. It's the same with asians. For generations most of for example chinese people were trained through extreme discipline and respect. That's why many modern asians are like that as well.

Literally what we are starting to see 🤣

this channel is not a debate channel. It's a documentary channel

Still. Its just misinforming people. Because anyone with common sense knows that “trans women” definitely do have a advantage against biological women. Lia Thomas is a PRIME example.

@@varonica544 you clearly don't want trans people to exist then. I'm personally skeptical of idea of trans women competing against women, but I don't write trans women in quotation marks and I accept they are still women

@@varonica544be quiet.

​@@varonica544finally. I was looking through the comments for someone to state the obvious

I think the reason we see these results that makes it seem like trans women are better is because there are more men in sports so the skill ceiling is higher. I’m not saying this is the reason but it could be a unconsidered factor.

I bet when a male runner transitions to female, that person will dominate just as well. Same with Tennis and other similar sports. #1 female tennis player wouldn't even be in the top 100 male tennis planner rankings if I am not mistaken.

As some one who extensively looked into the Lia Thomas situation, I can say that those specific stats do kind of miss-tell the truth. Lia Thomas has gotten into like the top 8 in specific freestyles before she transitioned. But for like a three year period as she transitioned, her stats lowered due to being on hormones. So comparing her stats just before she fully transitioned, you are actually comparing her on hrt, actually showing that there was a change in physical ability. I would be more specific but I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole again. Just searching up "lia thomas was good before HRT", usually sources the facts.

"Female stats" do people actually call them that now?? They are by definition MALE

My farts are better than Anthony’s farts 💨

My farts are better than Anthony's farts.

Literally, they see trans people and instantly combust. They claim to not be afraid of trans people when called transphobic, yet they're too uncomfortable to sit down and watch a damn UKposts video

“I’m not transphobic, but I prefer my misinformation over actually looking into the topic because it makes me uncomfortable to admit that I may be incorrect. Instead, I will say that everyone else is incorrect for introducing facts about the topic into the equation.”

The same reason why i wont watch a 30 min video of transphobes discussing a topic is why I wont watch this. Its all bias information and a pointless echo chamber

@@nozers Imagine equating a discussion of people wanting human rights to a discussion of people wanting to take away human rights 💀

My farts are better than Anthony’s farts 💨

That is right but no one want to hear the subjective infos and live with them

No you’re right but the issue is all the focus ends up on the hormones which is only half of the reason trans women have advantages. They forget that all the structural differences biological men are born with can’t and won’t disappear with the hormone treatment. So there is still an advantage

This propaganda is what's cause alot of depression, confusion and suicides.

Thanks for giving a sound and calm peice of your thoughts

@@ItsAK69 I am sorry, where is there propaganda? I am only seeing three people in conversation

Kids playing sports is so much different than *athletes* playing sports though.

@@TheSlowpes well I suppose you are blind then.