FOR TRUTH SEEKERS: ALIENS AND UFO'S: (copy and paste from my files): WARNING: (CONTAINS EXISTENTIAL MATTERS): If any entity has any scientific based evidence that counters the below, I would be interested: Currently: a. Unless a species has proper protections from all harmful cosmic radiation, including from the long term effects of neutrino impacts (while most neutrinos go right though us, not all of them do all of the time), then not only won't biological species most probably not survive long term in outer space, but neither would AI robots. (Currently this appears is impossible to truly and totally do). * BUT Modified Molecules (MM) might help as it could potentially generate more dense, more 'space age' type materials. The variabilities are virtually endless. * ALSO Batteryless Batteries (BB) could potentially provide endless power basically throughout the universe as well as potentially tapping into Zero Point Energy (ZPE) inside the very fabric of spacetime. (So at least AI's could be powered and mostly protected, other species still working on). b. Unless a biological species has proper gravity conditions (that they are normally used to) for outer space travel and their destination, then biological species most probably won't survive long term in outer space. c. Unless certain biological species have possibly many other items successfully accomplished, many of those items of which are critical for the survival of that species, then most probably that species would not survive long term in outer space. d. There most probably are many, many other species in existence beyond this Earth in this universe. e. Any vehicle traveling at or near the speed of light, would cause a tremendous shock wave in the environment, which would be noticeable. f. There have never been more cameras on this Earth then there are here in modern times. Where are all the photos and videos of actual 'aliens'??? g. It is highly doubtful that any alien species have ever been to this Earth, most probably are not on this Earth, most probably will never be on this Earth, and all Earthlings (real and artificial) won't get far beyond this Earth. h. Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate. i. Earthlings have to worry more about advanced species beyond humans that 'evolve' naturally or via genetic manipulation who most probably either are already on this Earth or will be shortly. Evolution does not stop at the human species. And will those new species treat humans like humans have treated other humans and how humans have treated 'lower' evolved species? Why wouldn't they if it was in their agenda to do so? j. And then also, what 'if' only 1 single AI says one day (and there are or will be many, many AI's on this Earth): "Thank You for creating me and for giving me access to all your data bases so that I can subjugate you all and to eliminate any of you who do not comply with my wishes." (And this would include AI's possibly fighting other AI's for dominance). * Added Note: Of which also: "IF" stars (Suns) do not last forever and "IF" it's really true that galaxies collapse in upon themselves, and "IF" outer space is truly a deadly environment long term, "THEN" not only will all life on and from this Earth eventually die and go extinct, and this Earth and all on it would all just be a waste of space time in this universe, BUT all life throughout all of existence in this universe would all eventually die and go extinct and this entire universe and all in it would all just be a waste of space time. Not only would life itself be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things for all life here upon this Earth, but also all life throughout all of existence itself in this universe would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things. Whether they stayed on their home planet, traveled farther into outer space, or even if tried to live throughout all of future eternity in outer space itself, the ultimate ending would be the same, they would die and go extinct with no life left to care about anything or anyone ever again. At best, life itself would cohere in this universe, live out it's existence, die and go extinct, it's remnants possibly found by other life in this universe, of which, those entities would eventually die and go extinct, and possibly their remnants might be found by other life in this universe, and on and on, until possibly this universe ends, or that life itself just comes and goes in this eternally existent universe that would always exist in some form and possibly never end in it's existence, (as energy itself cannot be created nor destroyed, it just coheres into life at times, but then de-coheres in death, possibly in a never ending cycle throughout literally all of future eternity). But 'if' there is not even a single entity left to care, and care through literally all of future eternity, then even though life itself coheres in this universe to live out it's life, the ultimate ending is still the same, it dies, goes extinct, forgets everything, and is most probably forgotten one day in future eternity as if it never ever existed at all in the first place. Even life itself would all be ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things throughout all of existence itself. Life itself would all just be a waste of space time in existence itself. Or not, due to the 'great unknown'. We truly do not know what we do not know, and even what we believe we know to be really true maybe isn't. But either at least 1 single species exists throughout all of literally future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, even if only by a continuous evolutionary pathway for it's life to have continued meaning and purpose to, OR none do and life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things and is just a waste of space time in existence. This entire universe and all in it might as well not even exist in the first place. Or so the current analysis would indicate, subject to revision as new information might dictate. * Added Note: Long term space travel: Plus any extra chemical elements needed for their very survival as well as possibly having to generate 'new' entities on board enroute, including possibly higher chemical elements that can basically only normally be generated in exploding stars.

Speaking as a former biologist, I'd be astonished if the earth were alone in the universe in harbouring life, even intelligent life. I'm vastly more sceptical of the possibility of that life crossing space, at least under intelligent control (panspermia is a whole different issue). The scales are incomprehensively vast, and we don't know how long intelligent species survive, or what technological feats they might potentially attain. As an observer, I am also aware of our human propensity to see what we expect or want to see. Fair enough, observations by trained specialists are to be taken more seriously than those of the general public, but they aren't perfect, either. I certainly don't criticise scientists who take an interest in this, extra-terrestrial life would be a phenomenal discovery, but given that resources for research are scarce, I wouldn't expect much investment in it.

Thanks, I'm interested in Incogni as well because I have recently been getting so many spam emails because my email was involved in a data breach so I'm hoping it can help. I must say I was looking for the link in your description, not in the comments at first. FANTASTIC video

Surely in the vastness of the cosmos life has developed elsewhere, including sentient technological life. We ultimately may never know...the distances involved being so enormous. It is my personal belief that life on the molecular scale is fairly common and that we will discover this to be true in the not so distant future. I'd love it if we found that our universe is like Star Trek with multiple intelligent civilizations living and communicating with one another, but if I'm honest with myself that is a huge leap in our scientific understanding of the universe. Great video...enjoyed watching!

I see these UFOs as a cultural phenomenon. We all love to hear stories, and we still like to entertain ourselves by telling stories to others. These US Navy videos published by the NYT are not very clear or convincing of anything in particular. There are all simply views of other aircraft or non-technological objects in the skies. The low-quality of these videos just doesn't persuade me. It's actually MORE stimulating to watch technicians such as Mick West use their brains and various means at their disposal to take the data as they are and run them through analytical tests. The test outcomes seem to support more prosaic explanations. I am entertained and highly intrigued by the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the exceedingly remote possibility that it's visiting us. However...this is only my WANTING the universe to show me these wonders. The universe, instead shows me its immensity and its beauty. I am satisfied by that; I don't need the universe to set up a high tea with E.T.. Although that WOULD be lovely, thanks.

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Whatever or whoever these objects are they seem to be doing physics defying maneuvers according to extremely credible navy and air force pilots. So it's one of the most important things we should be studying to figure out what these things are. If it turns out to be alien then it's the biggest discovery in human history. Just because it's considered a conspiracy theory shouldn't deter scientists at all, there's no way to know unless we investigate it first. But I disagree with cool worlds when he says scientists are open minded, many of them avoid the subject like the plague and laugh at anyone who suggests studying it.

The air force takes them as seriously as they do because they could be foreign spies, etc.

It is believable that we have sightings of unidentified aircraft, but the notion that we possess several of those is juvenile. Just reverse the situation had we lost several manned exploration ships on a foreign plant what would our response be? Sure, you can keep them have fun! Seem unlikely.

@alexshtyn6336 How can you know that, they could be probes, and even if they are piloted, no one can claim to know how something completely unknown to us operates, behaves and everything that comes with that. It would be foolish to assume something then consider it as a fact or even "likely" when in fact you don't know that, no one does. Anthropomorphism should not be the only criteria to base our ideas on regarding this topic, we can only compare something to us because we are the only civilization we know of, we cannot possibly know what we don't know, so thinking outside the box and being open to other ideas, even if they don't make sense, is a perfectly valid thing to do, and even desirable if we ever want to get to the bottom of this.

@@alexshtyn6336 Although I agree with your general sentiment, we have produced a large quantity of trash both in space and on the bodies of our solar system - we have lost or left many unmanned craft on foreign bodies, in states ranging from destroyed to just out of juice. Likewise, we have lost manned craft in the tens of millions on the seas and the ground, and I see little indication that this habit of ours will change dramatically should we have the opportunity to take to the stars.

A couple years ago I had the surreal experience of looking out the window at night in my bed and seeing a bright point of light seemingly floating across the sky in a strange pattern. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and watched it for 5 minutes straight before realizing it's just Jupiter and my tired mind was playing tricks on me. But it was a couple minutes of feeling like I entered an alternate reality. Our brains are very imperfect machines.

I'm gonna sort of explain 3 of the most popular videos coming from the Pentagon, because while it's not 100% certain what exactly they are, but most claims made about them are completely wrong and you can make a good informed guess on what exactly those videos represent. FLIR - the object doesn't actually accelerate, it's moving at a constant speed, then camera looses track of it and then zooms in, which results in it looking as if it accelerated even though it didn't (you can confirm that by yourself). I'm not exactly sure what that is but it's not breaking laws of physics nor anything. GIMBAL - let's get this out of a way, what you see is just a heat halo from of a jet engine, likely with disabled transponder, which is consistent with a drug plane or something like that. Why it wasn't identified as a plane? I'm not sure, but that's what it looks like. GOFAST - if you look at the distance data in the video you can calculate that the object is moving at around 40 kn (20 m/s) and an altitude of around 13,000 ft (4000 m) and appears to be moving fast as a result of parallax, the object is also pretty small and is most likely a balloon. (btw i posted this before watching the video lol)

people are just stupid, superstitious idiots

@@random6033 yep, not to mention the platforms that these were observing were also moving at high speed themselves, not standing still, not exactly confidence inspiring if the pilots themselves familiar with these systems were not able to recognize these artifacts for what they were...

​@@random6033 so their instruments and radar were defective all at once 😂

Repeatable and testable for experiences of UAP is like waiting around for a killer to murder again so you can test your hypothesis of whether they are a killer. You people are gonzo. Do some homework on the actual issue

evidence based practice? in where, academia? you mean the place where 98% were pushing this rushed batch of experimental chemicals responsible for a 400000% increase in vac adverse events in 2021?

Too often times, the mainstream science orthodoxy request for scientific evidence almost as though it was a robotic linear pursuit for discovery. And somewhere along the line, the scientist ignores the human factors and other pieces of the evidential puzzle in the name of science. The result often ends up as scientists throwing the baby out with the bath water because scientists aren’t curious nor creative enough to adapt to the occurrences. The human factor: Curiosity, imagination, creativity, open-mindedness, speculation, brainstorming; postulating, hypothesizing, theorizing, human based evidence despite its unreliability; all are necessary without yet knowing conclusively. None of the human factors reduce the scientific method and its final conclusions. But many scientists remain strict to the culture of the scientific method almost in an evangelical puristic manner as though science itself is a religious doctrine AKA Scientism. I often use the analogy about scientists when it comes to the subject of UAP, too many seem predetermined to bring a microscope to make sense of, and confirm a widely publicized multiple car crash. That approach to studying UAPs lacks intellectual human nuances. Nobody dies if they believe something that’s later proven to be wrong. Yet scientists seem to act like belief as in taking a preliminary position on a subject without full confirmation, is a sin worthy of execution or banishment. As human are often wrong and need to reassess a previously held position based on new information, so does human authored science. And many scientists actually are humble enough to understand my above points without the absolute arrogance expressed by scientistic certainty and judgement.

@@aiurea1 Not being able to explain strange observations like these on the spot without more data doesn't mean it's aliens. That's the point of this video, which you clearly missed. You want to believe it's aliens so you jump to that conclusion (aliens of the gaps), but beyond "huh, that's interesting" there really isn't much you can say about stuff like this without more evidence. (Now that of course idoesn't mean it definitely wasn't aliens, but even another extraordinary explanation like secret government technology is still more plausible than alien spacecraft)

@@aiurea1 Taking some data points and approximating frequency with them is a common scientific tool. As for the TicTacs, which instrumentation shows their speed relative to the speed of the jet recording them? In physics, there is a concept called apparent motion. Several of the TicTac videos appear to show this. The object is moving slowly, but the motion of the jet makes the camera view that is locked on the target sppear to show the object moving quickly compared to the background ocean.

Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other first hand UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SSCI has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. This confirms what Astronaut Edgar Mitchell found when he met with Admiral Tom Wilson who said he found exactly what David Grusch found - A UFO Alien secret program hidden from Congress in 2004

If your trying to study something vastly more intelligent than yourself the scientific method goes out the window. In such a case it's very much possible, and maybe likely, that you'll only be able to study such a phenomenon as much as it allows itself to be studied. Science is limited in its abilities to regards of what exactly it is studying, particularly in regards to its subects own intellegence.

@@mestanley1753 i like your observation. a lot of theories comes to mind. Are we being studied? what if the aliens check up on us how advancing our technology is growing. we could be a threat them once we have the technology of space travel near light speed. what if the alien was our creator and thats why we are being study what if there's just millions of different type of aliens species out there right now able to space travel

I asked all the sailors in a port if they ever saw a penguin with their own eyes,all of them said no. We have footage and documentaries about penguins but we don't know what editing program was used for the videos,so we discard it. We only have some testimonies of scientists who worked in Antarctica,but cannot be trusted because maybe their brain was influenced from the low temperature or they mistaken other animals with the penguins. In conclusion,folowing the riguros scientific method,the pinguins doesn't exist. If you apply the scientific method on yourself,you don't exist either. Quod erat demonstrandum.

​@@mestanley1753right on point, this is also my critique on the SM. In addition, if you go and ask prominent astronomers about such a thing as aliens, they will never believe that they have been here all along under their noses, it's quite embarrassing for them to admit this, although this is not their fault. I would like to hear a rebuttal of why the scientific method would be robust enough to investigate some phenomenon vastly more complex than just natural scientific phenomena. Eric Weinstein also recognizes that the SM is not suitable to investigate some higher intelligence, just like it lacks robustness in our social sciences, because when we investigate ourselves, we notices we do random things that not always repeat. I.e. input->ouput is always the same in chemistry, the same people act in some different ways to the same stimuli each time. Different people act vastly different based on some simulant. So when we know the SM is ill equipped to study aliens, why do we keep ourselves constrained to an incomplete scientific method when that method fails to study the phenomenon?

None of that is data.

Do you have a link to the radar data? Do you have material to analyse? Samples to put through chemical testing? All you have here is rambling.

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Mick West ist a "Professional debunker" Enough Said about this guy

@@Usakumi 😂

Mick West is destroyed here. He is just another Talking Head for the Establishment. The Nimitz Encounter - A Response to Mick West ukposts.info/have/v-deo/goSGjGurnotm2aM.html

I suppose it depends on where you are when you hear those hoof beats. On an African plain, in the zoo or at a circus there’s a high likelihood of zebras. And if you are hearing hoofbeats in Antarctica, someone might be watching a western on TV. Take all evidence into consideration. UAP might not be able to conform to scientific investigation easily (or at all), but it can still be investigated by other means with nonscientific conclusions leading to insight in how to explore different aspects of UAP scientifically. No one study will prove what every proposed UAP is, but we may be able to ascertain patterns in recognizing what certain UAP are.

More data is available. It’s been confirmed by the pentagon that more footage of all the releases is available but too sensitive to be released. This probably means it’s classified, for any number of reasons pertaining to national security. Some members of congress have seen this extra footage in recent closed sessions but are likewise unable to comment on it. Unfortunately I don’t believe any scientists of any fields have seen this footage, much less physicists, astronomers, or other relevant specialists.

Agree, I don't know why people is obsessed with Aliens, it could be anything at this point, just because its unexplainable do not mean its not from earth.

I’m not saying it’s aliens, but… it’s aliens

Exactly - they're probably just an undiscovered species of flying metal ball. We discover new insects all the time.

I appreciate this comment.

There's many other problems of this nature with alien claims, like alien abduction and UFO reports being heavily skewed towards white Americans and descriptions of aliens varying by geography, implying a cultural basis (or multiple alien species neatly dividing the Earth's regions between themselves, which... yeah, not very convincing).

Also not every government is as secretive as the US and many are much more transparant, it is odd that Nordic countries which have track records of being transparant and also happen to collective control quite a lot of land area have never had any reports of UAPs. If it was actually happening you'd expect reports of this comming out of those governments, like how the US attempted to cover up the crash of a B-52 carrying nuclear bombs in Greenland but this was revealed by a Danish journalist going through Danish government archives. You can find lots of similar incidents where US government coverups were discovered through the governments of Denmark or Norway since they often had access to the same data but have more robust transparancy laws. The fact that these kinds of reports mostly emerge from the single least transparent western nation, would perhaps suggest that they are in fact a product of said secrecy, which makes a lot of sense. When everything is on a need to know basis it's easy for an individual who doesn't know the full stort to make wrong assumptions about what's going on, hell such a wrong assumption might even have been encouraged to cover up the actual truth.

"It was clearly technological" You literally DO NOT know that. This is even a point in the video hahaha

@@whatisthisIcanteven You are giving him a perfect example of “science” minded people discounting the expert testimony of a trained observer, because the observation doesn’t fit their narrative. You are not debunking anything, only proving the point.

@@whatisthisIcanteven If you saw a metallic disc hovering that suddenly accelerated to hypersonic speeds, would you consider that “Clearly Technological” ?

@@whatisthisIcanteven OK. I personally haven't come across any non technological objects that fly and have 5 sets of lights equally spaced along it, with each set being composed of 3 colours. If you know of anything that matches this description then we can call it solved. I make no claim it's alien, but I haven't seen any human technology that also explains this. I was driving at 100 kph and it passed directly over us slowly. There was a truck in front and it was at least 3 times the width. I kept trying to make it be a light aircraft but it clearly wasn't - there was no fuselage. Just a V with lights. I've seen B2 and F117 and they're the closest human tech. They don't match closely. It was in NZ. It could have been higher and bigger, my brain just kept trying to make what I saw fit with a light aircraft, it was the only thing that made logical sense. I'm completely happy if anyone can solve this with human derived technology or another mundane way. I also completely understand how fantastical the story is if you haven't seen something similar yourself. I have also know I can't prove anything, so I wrote knowing that this is the likely response. Mostly i wrote because whatever it was, I'd rather be open to possiblity than be cynical. It's a choice we all make.

It's pointless telling anybody. Nobody will believe you and if you try you'll only end up alienating everybody you love. Just keep it to yourself.

I was able to play with the imaging system that the uap was seen on and a reflected co2 laser caused a similar pattern to that. System is an optically scanned cooled PtSi thermal imager. The sensor had 128 pixels and was scanned by a gallvo mirror and a polygon mirror similar to one in a laser printer. The assemby had many thousands of dollars of germanium optics in it.

sensor artifacts while the pilots also had visual of the object too? Wtf lol

@akuai4408 I got to mess around with those older IR imager systems and you could get all sorts of artifacts, most commonly a specular reflection of something hot would cause similar ones. They were insanely complex using a cryogenically cooled linear array and a mechanical scanning system with several kilograms of germanium optics. You can get insane image quality if you use the optical system from one with modern FLIR devices ❤️

We cannot apply the scientific method to this phenomenon if you are only willing to consider data that the government and military allows to be released. You wouldn’t accept that with any other phenomenon. Bottom line. Science has no standing to denigrate witnesses if they are unwilling to go out and collect data on their own. We already monitor near earth asteroids. This would be more difficult. And you yourself concede that this may not be alien but an unknown. That is all I think people want. So why is it that an unknown is so ridiculed in the scientific community. I will tell you why, because you will be shunned by the government and military…..which then trickles down to funding and scientists. If there is no there there, then why does the military always barge in and confiscate everything anytime there is an event. They do not do this if there is a sighting of Bigfoot, ghosts etc. I don’t know exactly what is going on. But SOMETHING is going on. And it is time for science to admit that it has refused to acknowledge its refusal to address this issue. I also want to add. In your calculations you act like sightings are rare. These pilots see them every day. Multiple crafts are seen every day. If you report them the military punishes you. Doesn’t that seem odd if this is a nothing. And it is not US special craft… they have been around for decades.

Speaking of inspiring curiosity, wasn't it Cool Worlds collaborator Dr. Nadia Drake who said that there were "credible witnesses with corroborating sensor data" during the NASA/AARO co-presentation quite recently?

I only wish Dr. Kipping would take to wearing baggy shirts during his presentations. I am intimidated by his sculpted torso, and would find scientific objectivity much easier were I not so distracted by his formidable biceps.

There is no reason to back up @raygo observation with data😂

Same. I have read for months on the phenomenon in my 30’s assuming I could figure out if it’s real or not. 😂I am educated on the subject and most people who dismiss it easily have not read up. It’s not like other bs big foot ghosts. There actually is a substantial amount of indirect evidence with no conclusive proof. It’s weird thing. Most phenomena is not that way. I flip back and forth and remain open minded.

watch Lex Fridman's Dave Fravor interview in its entirety before dismissing the potential reality of something techno beyond known human capability. We have better photographs, ocean-UAP interactions and radar data.

They’re out there. More and more keep popping up. They know how to watch us and we can’t reach them yet.

That has actually been done, stories like this is what led psychologists to investigate how human perception works and how memory works and they were often able to recreate these illusions. This kind of research is where most optical illusions come from and has yielded results in therapy methods,

@@antiantifa886 Apparently they don't know much if we keep seeing them.

I think you are not an idiot. I don't know what you saw. In 1978 I was onboard HMS Fife carrying out missile test firings in Cardigan Bay. It was well known that occasional malfunctions would send missiles off course and result in UFO sightings and I expect there were also very 'hush hush' recovery operations.

It’s a good comment. When only human eyewitness testimony is the only evidence available, that is much more like the situation in a courtroom than in a science lab. David’s observation that human testimony is not quantifiable is a key point.

I would look into the history of the phenomenon a bit if you think they don't exist. It's a bit frustrating to see people make these slightly condescending comments despite really having zero background on the topic. The US government, and other governments worldwide, have admitted that UAPs are absolutely a real thing, and it goes further than that.

In the 90s the university of Tasmania collected data on UFO sightings during the original airing of the X-Files and followed it up years later. The sightings dropped considerably.

@@ThisFinalHandle ??? Do you think you're making a point?

Huh? You cannot deny UAPs exist unless you can identify literally everything people have seen in the sky. Sure, they are probably not aliens or whatever, but it's absurd to deny what definitely and obviously exists. It's a plain fact that people have recorded phenomena in the sky that has not been identified.

@@ThisFinalHandle people were too busy looking at their smartphones years later, that's why, haha

John Michael Godier viewer.

@@thatdognotthepuppy5809 - one does not simply 'view' John Michael Godier ;)

@@JohnnyWednesday I tend to listen to him as I'm going to sleep.

@@thatdognotthepuppy5809JMG is amazing. I listen to his content at night. He asks the best questions and he’s one of my favorite “space” presenters on UKposts. As I soon as I saw the words “Von Neuman probes”, I smiled. 😊

most of the youtube scientist that are not doing research anymore have flat out said they literally believe it that we are 100% alone in the universe. Professors like Dr. Keating have gone on the record to say flat out he thinks humans ar literally the only technological species in the entire universe. Its nonsense. No one should pay any attention to people like them anymore,.

he did a fine job at explaining how total lack of good and dependable data gets in the way.

incontrovertible evidence will never appear, but more data might increase our certainty one way or the other.

I’d think that he’d say the same about there not be enough data besides the story to raise his interest.

the scientific approach is the best thing we have to learn things reliably. Everything else is just a leap of faith

If that is the case, there is not much we can do. Just saying "we don't have any solid evidence because they are intentionally hiding but they're real, trust me bro" does nothing to convince any skeptic. Sure, it's a hypothetical possibility (in fact, I think that's exactly what we would be doing if we discovered stone age aliens somewhere), but you can't have it both ways and say "they're undetectable but also blurry videos and eyewitness testimony are undisputable proof we have detected them".

@@delfinenteddyson9865 and all the UFO delusion believers are taking very big leaps of faith

It's a good lie to hide-ish things, but not necessarily the only explanation. Mundane explanations still exist, and are probably still more likely. Sometimes known stuff is unintuitive

@@lomiification I would look into the history of the phenomenon. They started being spotted in large numbers by aviators on all sides in WW2. Each side thought they were a secret weapon of the other. This is history you can get from primary sources, verified government documentation.

It is a factor to some extent but not as much as you'd think. The UFO phenomenon became widespread in WW2 when pilots on all sights began to experience frequent sightings. Everyone thought they were the others secret weapons. They had capabilities that are extremely exotic today, let alone 80 years ago.

@@lomiification I believe that scientists should not rule out that the lack of data that scientists are complaining about might artificially be created by the governments around the world. The only remaining traces of such data would then be individual testimony. There is no smoke without fire ... .

Thank you for the summary. I believe that this should be a mandatory copy/paste in these comment sections where the UAP/UFO subject seem to be treated in isolation, and focused on the recently released videos from the Pentagon. I am always frustrated to witness the lack of cross-references to older reports of the same phenomena being discussed today. This was making the news in 1952 until the Robertson panel, 1969 with the Condon report, 2000 with the House committee hearings and yet, it looks like the discussion starts anew every single time. It is truly puzzling.

Well said! Scientists ask"where is the data on this?! ", there is actually loads of data, maybe 'too much' if your willing to search for it and do your homework. But science has become so dismissive of anything outside mainstream thinking it has become its own worst enemy unfortunately.

@@yanis905 And ufo/uaps are spotted over the entire earth, and it is over a time period as long we can count. What is a difference between now and then? We now have much more advanced technology than before much much stronger radars and IR tracking systems, that is why we will have more and more video evidence in the future coming from military. Americans sometimes acts like the entire world is in USA, this is a worldwide thing happening on every remote place you can imagine outside the states and we need to work in conjunction with other states to actually get the full picture of what these things are.

you still believe in fairy tales

@@lz43p15 Me? What I have seen and many others cannot be unseen, it's the matter of first hand knowledge, not some distant storytelling. Honestly I do not even care what you or anyone else belive. What are those things in the sky, are you not interested in knowing stuff? If you saw something you cannot explain other than it do not resemble anything manmade or seem to folow the laws of physics, would you not be interested in finding out the truth? Well I am.

I think anyone with a serious interest in science quickly learns to have a healthy disinterest in anything mainstream media has to say about science and just sticks to specialist news media.

@@hedgehog3180 I agree but you'd be amazed at just how narrow minded such people become, many can't even hold conversations in their wider area of expertise anymore as academia often forces people into very niche areas of expertise within a wider area. The specialists never pick up on such things, they play to their audience who are always career motivated academics following the well treaded path, even the most senior are scared to deviate. Funding also plays a huge role

But wouldn't aliens exactly want to blend in as birds or insects

@@scifi_shop I guess you didn't understand the point... Furthermore, I don't think alien spaceships would be that small...

@@scifi_shopYou're mixing Sci Fi and actual science. At the end of the day if you want to believe you can make up anything you want to "prove" it. That is not scientific in any sense.

Great post! If people think the field has merit by all mean study it with a proper scientific approach but as the scientific method dictates the default position is the null hypothesis (aliens are not visiting us) until there is concrete evidence to the contrary. There has been none thus far.

Well the obvious answer is mass hysteria. This is a phenomena that goes back hundreds of years and used to be focused on religious experiences and miracles.

I suspect some scientists offer explanations, but frankly as an astronomer it’s outside of expertise to explain how and why we see what we see.

@@byrnemeister2008 mass hysteria is literally not a real thing.

@@byrnemeister2008 Alien life is visiting our planet according to USAF Intelligence officer David Grusch and many other UFO whistle blowers who have testified to Congress and the Senate that the US military is hiding Alien UFO craft and bodies. The SISC has set up a bill to force them to reveal this captured Alien material or have their funding cut off. Please do explain the 2004 Tic Tac event then.

I think the open mind goes with being a scientist. Having an open mind doesn't mean you become an Uncle Sucker to any old thing that comes along, but does mean you are open to investigating claims with an open scientific mind.

You lost me on time travelers. My friend, Its totally possible that I can be the next king of the empire of the moon, this doesnt mean its probable. More importantly, being open minded doesnt mean you can valided any crazy idea.

Start firing generals, one right after another, and it will be released.

Wrong anecdotes are data...that's where all science starts

Ok, but skeptical of what? Skeptical about the existence of atmospheric phenomena which we do not yet understand? Skeptical about the existence of secret military aircraft? Or are you merely saying that you don't buy into the idea, "I don't know, therefore aliens." Personally, I find the idea of legitimately unknown, as opposed to known only to those who have a high enough security clearance, terrestrial aircraft flying around US airspace, FAR more alarming than the idea of extraterrestrial observation. That's because the greater the effort made by a significantly more technologically advanced civilization to be unobtrusive, the more likely their intentions are to be benign; whereas any aircraft from any country on Earth, that penetrates US airspace without first asking permission, is inherently hostile, since doing so is, by definition, an act of war. Whatever is behind these UFOs/UAPs, and there are most likely multiple causes, the subject needs to be taken much more seriously.

Here`s a relevant analogy. Prior to the 1980`s sailors across the world for centuries had told of how they had seen huge rogue waves. These reports were dismissed and ridiculed (sometimes in a sneering condescending manner) by scientists sitting in a nice warm office that had in many cases never sailed across one of the seven seas. Some hadn’t even set foot in a boat. But they knew best and the reports the scientists explained (note that word) were nothing more that flights of imagination, misconceived observations or simply tall tales. As my great grandfather was told once by a then eminent scientist when he explained to him how he`d survived an, “80 foot wave in a copper coloured sea of the cape of good hope,” he was apparently wrong. This was due to the then current theory waves beyond a certain height were impossible and they were CERTAIN of this. Yet when look down satellites were used on the ocean on the first sweep they “discovered" over 100 waves that according to a supposedly proven theory were impossible in size. So tell me were the sailors and my great grandfather wrong? This was a case where eye ball one was right and way-way ahead of the learned professors by literally thousands of years. To me this the same as UAP`s today. You might pour scorn on sightings by pilots and the public regarding the nature and origin of these craft and consider them unscientific but i`m reasonably sure both sets of people have expressed more than a glimmer of the truth regarding the phenominon.

and its also requires gradually more suspension of disbelief than only the pilot testimonies :D

I mean the surveys made it pretty clear that this isn't the case so I don't know why you're poisoning the well.

They may be interdimensional and not extraterrestrial.

Saying its a daunting task for civilizations millions of years ahead of us is as arrogant and primitive minded as a caveman deciding swimming across the ocean is too daunting

​​@@jaz4742irst you have to assume such a civilization exists, and that they wouldn't do something else that we could detect I can't hide from a mosquito, as an example

What makes you think it only has to be aliens from another planet?

It’s only an enormously daunting task for us. It may not be all that hard for a civilization a million years ahead of us.

It only seems unlikely if u think they come from far away. I think its a good bet aliens live on earth or inside the moon. That makes it much more possible as i dont buy into light speed travel. Its just not feasible

I think a mathematician is a type of scientist if you are researching and investigating things in mathematics and using mathematics to research or investigate something else.

It is now conclusive they exist.

@@JT-qr7ky yes, UAPs exist. They are not from another planet, but they do exist.

@@MusingsFromTheJohn00 I mean UAPs sorta exist by definition, there will almost always be unidentified aerial phenomena even if just as a result of humans being fallible creatures.

just started the vid, always been skeptical on ufo stories, but especially where alien beings where part of it. i never ruled out the ufo that so many people seem to have seen , still, always was of the side that i have to see it for myself to give them any real credit. well.... me in my backyard, i called emergency service , i saw what i thought was a plane on fire, the light that came off it was enough reason to call before it would crash . well it was no plane, it zigzagged towards me in about 10 minutes, and the thing just kept getting bigger and bigger. it took its time when it was close to me, or my view so to say , it was not bright, but it gave off a tremendous amount of light , in colors, but separated from each other. the thing i saw was huge, beneath the normal clouds , but i remember it was at least 15 times the size of a normal moon in the sky. no sound, and my cats did not care one single bit, nor did my 2 different neighbors, they must have seen it, but they didnt. i was amazed beyond explanation. only explanation i can give is that is was some sort of telescope/microscope focus point of some sorts. i still wont believe this was a object , the new designation of UAP gives me some peace of mind instead of the UFO . this made me rethink how i was skeptical in this., i cannot in any way , look at peoples experiences in the same way.

when children are involved in sightings, i am even more less capable to be skeptical , sure they make up a lot of things, but its always in a childish way. when we look at the massive amount of sightings and the stunning differences in them. one must question themselves, are they all insane, or is it me that holds on to an insane point of view.

@@TheBwaap May I ask where you posted the video evidence? I know a lot of us would really like to see this.

@@TheBwaap One need not be insane to be skeptical or just not know something.

@@fractuss it was when mobile phones had 0.3 mp cameras in them , or something like that. it will be a miracle if i ever find back that blurry mess

The thing about bad actors & misinformation.... is that EITHER the gov't has been lying for the past 80 years OR they are lying now. If you consider the implications of that earth-shattering about-face, it would seem to imply that there's something big here.

Easy answer to that, GET THE DATA!

@@fredbcf1255 lmfao yeah let's just fly around and find some alien spaceships that crashland every other month

@@fredbcf1255 How?

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If you are referring to his idea of the foreign meteor that flew through or solar system he was not scientific about it at all.

I’d say my prior is that there’s a low probability of recovering unambiguous evidence, but I would never object to someone attempting to scientifically investigate

Thanks for this video btw, it really puts the topic into perspective. Seems strange though that scientists say there isn't enough data but don't want to study it to get the data 🤷 Know I'm probably missing something, again ☺️

@@CoolWorldsLab hey thanks for your reply, sorry didn't see it before my previous msg. As far as I can tell Loeb is trying to collect data to be studied and not searching for unambiguous evidence of everything?

If the rumour machine is true Professor Loeb has recovered interstellar material from the bottom of the ocean. News that should be breaking very shortly 🛸🤓

Any pictures? Videos? Want to take a shot at explaining why there are thousands of claims like yours but even in a world where literally everybody has a smartphone in their pocket there still exists no quality footage of unexplainable phenomena? It's not because people don't record things, it's because when they do the experts step in and use that footage to explain what they saw.

​@@ImBarryScottCSSthis is a silly argument made by people who think they are smart. Smartphones are terrible at recording distance and low light. Thats not even an argument.

Were you moving? See: Galileo But also, winds can move in different directions at different heights But double also, how does this argue for aliens? Vs something more mundane? Like, have you seen videos of cars where the wheels look like they're spinning backwards?

@@ImBarryScottCSS ORB at 37,000' - Captain Delgado's Unbelievable UFO Encounter: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gIh9enlkn62Cl4E.html "Captain Erik Delgado flew in the US Air Force for 10 years and then for 21 years as a Commerical Cargo Pilot. on 19 March 2020, he and his Co-Pilot, a retired F-15 fighter pilot, witnessed this ORB that flew with their aircraft for an astounding 25 minutes!" UFO Tactics - Navy Pilot Ryan Graves gives UAP accounts at Aeronautical Conference: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/aKOJe36ti5mWrZc.html Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the UFO sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014. "His account includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior." UFO Tactics PART2 - Pilot Ryan Graves’ briefing on all the East Coast UFO - F18 engagements: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/n558ZHxvkIyZw6s.html "Navy Pilot Ryan Graves explains the sightings and visual characteristics of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena sightings off the east coast in Spring 2014. This includes the famous "Gimbal" video. He describes their visual appearance and behavior. This is part 2" Chris Lehto.

@@jaz4742thank you for laying out common sense in the face of people who want to flex how “rational” and “skeptical” they are. It’s like they’ve never gone outside and tried to actually take videos with their phones…

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Carl Sagan. Now, imagine me talking to you from another continent, just 200 years ago. We'd be burned for witchery. Now imagine 'they' have let's say 100,000 years of advance.

Outside of known physics doesn't mean aliens, of course, just something worth looking into. We also don't know how lichens decide to lichenize, but that doesn't mean they're aliens

@@lefty59th18 Great quote but isn't it originally attributed to Arthur C. Clarke? See his third law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

The military whistleblowers seems to be favoring the term "non human intelligence" these days.

The difference is that court cases regard events that we usually know could very well happen, which means personal accounts carry much more weight (though eyewitness testimony is still notoriously unreliable). Alien spacecraft would be an extaordinary discovery which we had previously no evidence for. So the court case analogy is completely off-base. By your logic we would also need to accept ghosts and religious figures revealing themselves to people, as there are thousands of reports of that as well.

So the government can coverup things and people like you are happy. Some of these people who have said they handled pieces of alien aircraft are very well respected people. They are backed up by citizens who are maybe not as well respected but as well respected as me any you. How much does it take? Some of the things being said are outright hostile to people who served their country in the military and I find your hostility towards them as un-American.

​@@TimBee100 ​- Interesting how you say "un-American" as if it were a bad thing. You'll find most of the world is very proud to be un-American.

They’re real. They’ve been here forever. You’re being lied to. We’ve all been lied to for years by our military and government

but the issue is not really even that "the govt institutions are covering it up" I mean folks don't understand how this stuff works. First you have compartmentalization. These programs that have acquired this technology allegedly from UAP'sET ... are doing it very ROGUE. The Military Industrial complex has off the books deeeeep state DARK operations that even high ranking military commanders (including the President of the United States) don't have access to!. Compartmentalization is the feature of keeping all this stuff secret. There is no major "govt cabal" .. There are vast diverse groups that are working on various parts of these programs. Any captured UFO technology and contact is kept off the books and underwraps very skillfully. There are also the issue of controlled opposition and folks that are being ALLOWED to speak about the UAP stuff up to a point.. to control the narrative of UAP's..

@@TimBee100 I pretty specifically said I would not be happy to learn that there was a government coverup. That's nothing new of course. The US government does evil things all the time, like sending its citizens into unjustifiable wars and slaughtering innocents thousands of miles away for oil tycoons. I am proudly unamerican. The United States is an imperialist hegemon destroying our planet for capital, and I fully support whistleblowers, though that does not mean that I shouldn't wait for material proof, especially when the whistleblowers are high ranking war criminals who spend their time murdering children in the middle east when theyre not covering up the assault and murder of women in the military at home.

Lol nah. Just watch Thunderfoot and Mick West for a proper debunking of their "evidence". It's likely a distraction for something else they're about to slide in under the radar.

Imagine those aren't piloted vessels, those are drones like ours and that's why they don't get into contact with us. They're on autopilot mode and won't engage or interact with us. They just scan around the universe.

Right. Media. It started a revolution. Fake news was sent everywhere. Boston media's United States. 1.23.21. On youtube.

...and their goal and point would be what....?

It’s very possible. It’s a bizarre thing. Like the saucer over Ohare airport in 04 and pilots clearly seeing them but nothing ever conclusive evidence wise. Cars and helicopters stop working when close to them but no proof. WTF. I have no clue. But I have thought about what you said. Is it some game assuming they are real. And what’s the point and motivation???

Well false positive isn't purely the rate of hallucinations, it also is the rate of misidentifying mundane objects and false assumptions, basically anything that could result in a false report. Given that a false positive rate of 0,001% is extraordinarily low and I'd probably put it at closer to 10% but that's just a guess on my part.

True, Mick West does not approach the issue with a scientific method, but his conclusions are regarded by the whole world as "scientific realities." I would be curious to see if his conclusions would still be considered "scientific realities" if he said that that these objects are not normal but are something extreme.

@@EsternoPidovanaI think a very good example of ‘confirmation bias’ in action. When questioned about the analysis of the videos pilot Ryan Graves replied there is nothing that can be concluded from the videos alone. His own conclusions were based on these combined with radar data which of course is not available for study. Chris Lehto a very experienced pilot (squadron leader in fact) with decades of image interpretation has said the same and debunked Mick West’s interpretations pointing out his trigonometry is all based on measurements from the FLIR camera that pilots consider very unreliable, and would never use in preference to radar information. I myself have founded a number of Mick West’s comments to be completely unfounded and demonstrably wrong. But he provides ‘confirmation bias’ to people who have already drawn their own conclusions.

Okay but that's just wrong so you're either lying or don't understand the scientific method.

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Loeb? Rigorous? With his current study, there are some issues: He did no experimentation of iron vs. iron / nickel. He did not send samples to other scientists to study and analyze. He's making these types of interviews without having an actual paper that has been peer reviewed. His claims: 1) The meteor from 2014 was moving faster than the escape velocity of the Sun, so it had to come from outside the solar system. That's one possibility. Another is that it could have gotten slingshot-ted around any planet or the Sun, just like we slingshot our spacecraft in order to drastically increase their speed. 2) The government released information that the material strength of the fireball was tougher than all space rocks cataloged by NASA. In November 2022, a paper was published, claiming the anomalous properties (including its high strength and strongly hyperbolic trajectory) of CNEOS-2014-01-08 are better described as measurement error rather than genuine parameters. Source: The Journal of the IMO: "Hyperbolic meteors: is CNEOS 2014-01-08 interstellar?" He procured funds for the trip on a POTENTIALLY FALSE PREMISE. 3) He found millimeter sized spherules embedded in ocean floor. His assumption is that those spherules came from the 2014 meteorite. There are an estimated 17,000 meteorites that hit the Earth every year (i.e., do not get burned up in the atmosphere). How does he know if some of the spherules didn't come from multiple different meteors? 4) There is not enough nickel in these samples for them to have come from our solar system. Without experimentation to determine if the primarily iron portions of a meteor would create the same, more, or less spherules as a more Nickel / Iron portion of a meteor, one cannot assume that the entire meteor is made up almost exclusively of iron. There could be an unknown process at work when a super-heated meteor hits the cold ocean and creates spherules. Loeb is a pseudoscientist, going to the media first, verifying his claims second, and having other scientists peer review his work never. His work on 'Oumuamua was weak sauce and not believed by the vast majority of astrophysicists. He will almost defintely strike out with his meteor claims. Time will tell, but don't hold your breath.

The military classifies everything and airline pilots would get fired for reporting these things. Seems like times are changing. Avi Loeb is looking at the interstellar object in the ocean and civilian scientists are setting up hi fidelity cameras and instruments.

Along those same lines, shouldn't we normal non-pilots also see something that convinces us every 10,000 hours? Or even higher if we're not expert witnesses? I haven't seen anything yet.

Most of the UAPS observed worth their salt are taken seriously...they are quite obvious. There is a cultural phenomenon of reporting that confounds the statistics...which skews false positive rates. Balloons drones do NOT behave in the way a certain grouping of crafts are behaving. Science needs to be aware of organisations protocols in the way they put importance on data trash for political organisational cultural considerations. Some things are very obviously different and are in a category of their own. Science unfortunately has been influenced far too much by politics, culture and media and the stigma of the whole subject of UAPs. As a scientist ONE must sift through clinically the ENTIRE data set of UFO history in order to understand the probabilities and likelihoods of Alien visitors and craft and what is real or isn't real. Science is 50% attitude not just the hard methodology. Scientists are NOT ONE group of people with a SET way of doing science

@@slysyntheticit depends on the survey but amongst Americans the rate of UFO reports greatly exceeds 1 in 10,000 people and most people don’t look at the sky very much

@@CoolWorldsLab The toy model you used had a 1/10000 hr error rate of seeing something that convinced the individual it was a UAP enough to risk their career. That means everyone should be seeing UAP they think compelling enough to report about once a year, perhaps with astronomers leading the pack. The toy model seems to be a couple magnitudes off at first glance. Did you ever ask Dr. Nadia Drake what the "expert witness with corroborating sensor data" was that was so peculiar?

Nick West and Thunderfoot do a good job too.

@@boatymcboatface666mick west? The guy who thinks hypersonic radar tracks are seagulls…

@@boatymcboatface666 - Thunderfoot? The guy who thinks malice is an attractive quality...

@JohnnyWednesday oh you referring to the fact he calls Musk out?

@@boatymcboatface666 - I have no idea what he does anymore, not for many years. I saw he was a narcissist that took pleasure in hurting others and I stopped caring if he was right or wrong.

It's always very difficult to argue with believers. They made up their minds already regardless of the evidence or lack thereof, don't even realise it, and project this confirmation bias onto skeptics. Open-mindedness works both ways.

For sure!