Exactly my reaction! I was happy this buggy drama queen will not install on my PCs automatically.

Oh no, what am I gonna do!

It's like being told you can't run Vista.

@@MrEnterthehole i couldn't care less about their security updates. Direct x is the only thing worth considering. Microsofts security patches have a tendency to break more than they fix and create even more security issues. I'd be happy if they stop updating and let it be. People will be surprised how miniscule of an effect it will be. Windows 7 users are stilll running happily with asuperior OS without issues or security concerns. If you're prone to needing the security fixes because of lack of knowledge, no security fix will ever be enough. Start browsing thoughtfully, block ads and you never have an issue.

when I installed my 5950x, it said your eligible for windows 11. I paused my updates for good right now.

lmao good one)

lol

Go into bios turn TPM off.

lol

Windows 11 installs without TPM with the LabConfig switch!

Cortana has been two timing you with a few million others ;)

same mwahahaha

"Cortana, search for Cortana rule 34"

@@ffwast HAHAHA

No. As we saw with M$ chat bot, they can learn. So cortana, probably just turned machinophobic, or even better FSF and OpenSource adept and will insist on you installing Linux

@@ffwast why did i just google that... sigh *facepalms*

So don't.... don't update to windows 11 until it's stable. Windows 10 is fully supported until 2025. And 11 just came out moments ago.

if your current rigs runs fine, just don't "update" ;)

Since when has MyCrud$oft Windoze been a "perfectly working system"? BTW, I am a long-time Mac user finally migrating to Linux on a former Windows 7 PC.

Windows 10 had never been in a "perfectly working" state for me. Windows 7 is. Window XP was. Never windows 10. And I don't want to buy new hardware for the fact that there is no driver support for windows 7. I'm forced to buy older hardware because windows 10 suck big time.

Isn’t it fixed now?

I'm sure they're looking into it.

@@SuperPuzzler I am sure Microsoft and Intel have hired lobbyists from around Brussels to wine and dine the commisioners, maybe thrown in some high class hookers to sweeten the deal so any legislation will come down on their side and not the consumers.

They can't. Microsoft has patnered with intel. And it is your fault that you are using AMD to run an operating system that is meant to be optimised for intel. Just upgrade to an intel cpu. Simple. Antitrust laws doesnot work like that. They have collaborated. Although you can sue them for anti competitive issue for EDGE, the most intrusive and horrible browser.

@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394while there isn’t evidence microsoft is purposely throttling amd yet (“we optimized for the most popular cpus”) I don’t think you have a firm understanding of anti trust law in the US, much less the EU

​@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394Nah. If there is proof that it's being done on purpose, I guarantee you that they can sue.

dsme here

xD same , still rocking an old 5960x chip , works just fine as my work station apparently not good enough for windows lol

Great newws!

This is like skipping Vista. Darn.

ME: I can make it work. And I did...lol

i memba

they ran out of bugs to fix in Windows 10.. soo they released Windows 11 with even more bugs to fix... its called Microsoft job security!! lol

And OS-es coming out as a finished product. Oh wait.....that was never

@@Fragnar13 oh my god, you are a legend. Oooo membeer ghost bustaaaasss

@@rknudson1407 no, they got tired of trying to fix them and no longer worry about the courts having any effect on any actions.

It deleted my fingerprint and password memory meaning I couldn’t log back in, bizarre.

Ill get win 11 when win 12 is released it should work by then. I literally just upgraded to win 10 after being on win 8.1 since its release

or switch to linux.

Meh. No system I owned had Vista or 8. Microsoft's "shit-hot" cadence means you can skip every second release

@@JoseReyes-im3pk There's always the Betamax guy....

exactly! I switched to win 10 only like 2 years ago :D and only because there was some games that didnt support win 7 anymore ....

it was intel's plan all along muhahahahaha (Intel maniacally laughs)

Intel and Microsoft 'collabing' for Win 11 Microsoft: "What about AMD CPU's?" Intel: "What about them?"

Hey AMD i want to play a game with you... (Somewhere in Korea)

Maybe this is what Intel meant about AMDs days being numbered. They did all their testing in windows 11.

Intel approves of this message.

😂😂😂

Here come the Americans who think you spelt “tyre” wrong 🤣

@@carlaaronson9415 i dont think, i know

But its the internet so who cares hou stuffff is spalt

@@carlaaronson9415 And the Australians will ask "What's a winter tyre?".

Kinda rapey, no?

"update hesitant"

I’m still stuttering. Doom Eternal is just all over the place in FPS. I think it’s to do with the shit fTPM.

at least they get all the bugs sorted and performance issues on ryzen

This is smart decision. W11 will need at least one year to grown-up. W10 at start (release) was also not that great.

Ayo r5 5600x here 150 plus on cinabench from win 11 if u got new hardware try it out u can keep all ur files my cinabench r20 multithreaded is a solid 4650 now compared to a 4500 4450 take that with a grain of sand because really shouldn't make a diff it's all the same.. The big but tho , it really depends on ur use case I see the appeal to wait but if u a nerd and want max performance win 11 will be the way. Sry for drag on

I only just upgraded from Windows 7. It was only when software I wanted to run mandated Windows 10 that I upgraded. I'll wait literally to the last second to upgrade to Windows 11 too...

I'm waiting for Star Citizen's Vulkan support to mature, at that point I'm planning to finally be able to shake the Windows virus I've had great experiences with Linux Mint before but could never fully pull the switch (I don't feel like doing that much work to get my games working, I work on computers enough during my work hours, game time is for relaxing.) Linux gaming appears to finally be in a place where it'll be worth the swap.

It has not come up yet, has it?

Remember the upgrade where a ton of early adopters lost ALL their files? Granted, you should always have a full backup, but at that stage full backups were more problematic than now.

Similar to the new m(R(N)A) OS updates. 80% of people are already using it, is not a valid argument for me to try it. Are there anybugs? Is an eventual rollback possible? Or will I be stuck with a buggy OS?

Always skip Windows versions. Wait for every other version to get at least a 1 year shakedown.

Or install and let your machine's data help improve it

More like the embedded backdoor hardware based NSA tools won't work either...

@@lordterra1377 I'm sure you can find some system to hack someday...

All for app integration horseshit.

@@coffeepot3123 for real though

Didn't think about that lol

I wish it were that simple, really

@@Tampa-Anon very possible, given their past actions

@@tonnylins You can try disabling TPM in your UEFI unless you need it. Microsoft will think your computer is incompatible and Windows 10 still has a good few years left. I don't think they'll auto-install on ""incompatible"" systems considering how insistent they were that you have TPM and it enabled from the get go. Same goes for secure boot.

I almost want to downgrade my TPM, lol.

That would be artificial bottlenecking, not underclocking.

@@erkinalp you need to buy a real cpu intel lol

It's a feature!

Nope, the two issues with Ryzen chips have been fixed. There's a Windows Update to address the cache latency issue, and the core assignment issue was fixed in a chipset driver update released by AMD.

@@pdegan2814 Would be nice if win 11 updates work and dont fail and revert back

loool - warez never get old :D

@D Reaper oh mate don't worry, it's a dual boot system. Linux is my main work OS and has been for 10 years already!

Haha can't wait for Intel Arc the Intel Linux Drivers are best in class as far as GPU. They even have OpenCL drivers that work out of the box and no proprietary kernel blobs either unlike AMD GPUs.

@@BlackBookOfficial There is no reason Intel can't support Vulkan too though? It is an open standard

@@BlackBookOfficial won't Intel try the same thing?

@@magnusanderson6681 Yeah, it is, but the ones that fully understand the inner workings of the Vulkan API is AMD themselves, so the best optimizations is gonna come from AMD.

@@BlackBookOfficial Khronos made Vulkan

Yes. It should've been 'common knowledge' since Windows 95!

@@adamc.2987- I agree, but it was a very different world back then. For those who were familiar with PCs and Microsoft - yes, we held off on adopting Windows 95. Personally, I stuck with DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 until Windows 98 SE for my main PC. I did give Windows 95c a run on my secondary PC because I had to know it to support our customers. There was a huge rush to adopt Windows 95, and with good reason. Apple Macintosh users were beating PC users over the head with the fact that the GUI for System 7.5 "Mozart" was far superior to anything Microsoft or IBM had to offer. Prior to Windows 95, folks were struggling with the clunkiness of Windows 3.1 and whatever flavor of DOS command lines, configuration system files, and memory management. EVERYTHING had to run in under 640K of memory, no matter how much RAM you had in your PC. Windows 95 changed that and more. People were rushing to put Windows 95 on whatever PC they had, even if it could barely run it. Microsoft was also shady with the system requirements. They said it would run on a 386 DX 16 MHz, 4 MB RAM, and 30 MB Hard Drive Space. It would barely craw on those requirements, and people still didn't blame Microsoft and either upgraded or bought and new PC. It seemed that Microsoft thought they could do the same thing again with Windows Vista. I don't think it wasn't until Windows Millennium Edition did it become common knowledge to the general public, that early adoption of Microsoft Operating Systems was a perilous undertaking. I decided to skip that one, because Windows 98 SE was working fine, and Windows 2000 was right around the corner. Windows ME looked to be just a cash grab to me, with nothing real substantial to offer. Windows 11 has that same feel.

I might wait until the end of the free upgrade period or when software starts requiring windows 11. whichever comes first

almost every 2nd version is crap anyway, I jumped from XP to 7 and from 7 to 10 :D

Not just Windows. This applies to every single os ever made.

So true, but I fear this will never happen again. (By again, I guess I refer to Win7)

Well there's Pop OS. I've heard a lot of people praise it.

@@Dj0rel heard it too, after today in work my windows gone bonkers cuz upadte happened, I am gonna install and tell how it is compared to windows

@@Dj0rel I've used Pop OS, its actually pretty decent and requires very little work from the user as most things are already setup to work.

@@TankersonWoT pop os is good, although I've never used it I think that it is good as it has very good reviews

Same. And how expressionless Nick looks throughout the whole thing up until the end haha

That's the best sponsor segment of all UT for sure :)

That kind of advertising would actually work on me.

No more like if you want the “latest” feature set like DirectX and now with TPM for secure gaming that you need to upgrade. I’m done with windows, just sticking with Linux and OSX.

I was so excited about being able to install my Google play android library. I literally have 20k invested into that, so was excited. I noticed my win10 had a update yesterday, and a message pops up that win11 not compatible. What kind of garbage OS they trying to push now? I'm thinking nows the time to switch to Linux, as gaming and steam support is on the rise with steam deck out in over a month! Linux based system!

@@travisv6408 Run Linux, setup a VM, add software TPM, upgrade to windows 11 - hurray!

Fo'Real. Remember when Microsoft was telling gamers that DX-12 would not work on Windows 7 and that people would need to upgrade to windows 10???? Well they ported DX-12 over to windows 7 in 2005. albeit some games might not work with it.

@@Rose.Of.Hizaki You mean 8? Win10 didn't exist for another decade.

Intel and Microsoft have always engaged in anti-competitive practices. This is nothing new. The US government should have broken up Microsoft and forced them to open source all their APIs decades ago, and they almost did... But of course Bush was elected into office and decided to predictably be even more right wing than the Clintons were.

@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional Most of our problems can be directly traced back to the Bushes and Regan

Maybe if they let us self compile the operating system like Gentoo…

@@fuzzybuzzy3159 I wouldn't say most, just many. Mostly because the trail goes way further back. Look up Henry Kissenger and Edward Bernays, and if you really want to be angry, watch some Adam Curtis documentaries.

It's more like anticompetitive practice that MS and Intel have done against AMD. There could be lawsuit involved if this does not get fixed.

If you got an AMD GPU also, you can just give Linux a try.

👆👆I guess I was lucky my office file would've all been stories if it wasn't for LEGIT we took longer than expected because of the duration which the virus has been in the computer server but it was a greet success it was removed

It's simple. It's trash. The cycle is: Being honest = Win 11 is 👎 Buying the hype = Win 11 is 👍 🤢🤢🤢

I just upgraded to Windows 11. Here are before and after 3DMark scores Ryzen 7 5800x x570 Aorus Elite wifi 3DMark TimeSpy score = 9811 (before) 3DMark TimeSpy score = 9804 (after Windows 11 install) 3DMark TimeSpy Extreme score = 4701 (before) 3DMark TimeSpy Extreme score = 4688 (after Windows 11 install) My verdict (which is essentially not relevant) is Windows 11 should only go to higher end PC's. It does look nicer and it is much more like Mac OS but in a good way. I don't notice any change in performance

7 was the last good windows

Its more like 1. it sucks 2. ok, at least its not 1. 3. it sucks 3. ok, at least its not 3 ...

The alternating pattern meme only works if you're clueless on what Windows versions that have existed and how they have been. All lists that are made of that tend to skip versions to make it fit.

Mhm. I stayed on 8.1 long after the free upgrade to 10 had expired, and once I felt I'd read and heard enough about 10 to feel comfortable upgrading to it, I upgraded for free.

year and a half if you opted in for the pre-beta beta

I actually did the "upgrade" for W10 on my old PC from 8.1 and the install failed and it rolled it back to 8.1. I said fuck it I aint doing any more "upgrades" lol

Tbh i went straight to win 11 insider as soon as it got released and haven't had an issue yet that i didnt have on 8 or 10.

I stayed on Win 7 until Win 10, being AMD I think I'll stick on 10 till Win 12 comes along.

Microsoft never actually said that. It was like, just one programmer that was quoted.

@@DerelictDoug10266 Interesting. So all the media outlets just mindlessly repeated that incorrect info? Wouldn't be the first time. Do you happen to have any source for this?

In 2015, as Microsoft was preparing to release its Windows 10 operating system, a developer evangelist speaking at a technical session during a company event dropped an eyebrow-raising statement. "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows," he said. Also as I posted on this thread I have to disclose that im an employee of MSFT.

You're very perspicacious. You're welcome!

@@leewright415 Thank you for clarifying this. Still - he was representing the company right?

I miss the old Service Pack days where you only effed up your computer every 6 to 12 months instead of EVERY MONTH like they do now ..... I don't install updates until just a week before the next update .... For instance I won't install the October Update until the first week in November (And maybe not even then if I search and see it's still having problems)

You know someone is young when they think service packs are an ancient thing.

@@jellybiscuit Hell, they used to come on separate CDs for Win 2000 and XP

@@jellybiscuit they ARE ancient

@@crispybacon4240 lmao ok zoomer

im running all AMD for my gaming and render rigs. and one of them is also the 5600x. so yeah ill be sitting on 10 until i see a performance BOOST instead of degradation.

Does TPN enabled on windows 10 slow it down?

@@tapmax1 nop, is just a security measure of encryption of the kernel of Windows. I tend to say that the reason was VBS that was enabled (not Visual Basic Studio, Virtualization-based Security).

I have a Ryzen 7 3800x with an RTX 3060 and I have not noticed a difference. I was expecting some sort of boost because of Microsofts marketing. Maybe the Win11 boost is cancelling out this issue for me.

I am running an all AMD system with a 5800x and an RX 5700 XT. I have literally seen none of these issues since I upgraded. If anything, I have seen my idle ram usage drop about a gig.

Linux my friend...though that may not be an option for everyone

@@bigroddempsey4082 how can I get radeon and ryzen master. IF you tell me how to do this on ubuntu I will switch my dozen rigs right now

Bios, turn off the tpm feature, done. Windows will flag system as noncompliant and prevent update.

@@tcclaviger but how do I get radeon and ryzen master on ubutunu

@@bigroddempsey4082 can i get Adobe suit fully working on Linux without any issue?

Been saying something similar for decades now...MS OS is so fucked up and backed up AND held up by 'legacy code' its ridiculous...

and you need a 1000 MBit internet to handle the load when windows send all this data to mommy microsoft

5 cores, each dedicated to one of FAANG spying on you. 5 cores for the major govt agencies from US. 6 cores for agencies and companies from China, and then you can enjoy your good old quad core for the games.

amen going to drop windows in the future

10 Years is to long, betting on 5 years

Yuuup. People that think it's far fetched that Intel might have had a purposeful hand in the win11 scheduler mishap don't know the history of either Intel or Microsoft.

They'll fix it! they always do lol Win 11 hasn't even rolled out yet even for the latest Win 10 systems i doubt it has for you either so by then when you finally get it over the next several months but you do not have to update to Win 11 straight away! What is it with people thinking they have to? lol just wait 1 year staying on Win 10 which will be supported for another 4 years and then update to it, it's free as well. All new software always has it's bugs they need to iron out cos when they release it they can't possible know what may happen and how it happens or how to fix it until the release it it's always been this way and even online games now there's always something to fix so let's just wait.

@@FlyingMonkies325 I don't think anyone is talking about early adoption woes because that's well understood even by enthusiast tech users. I was referencing the one sided hardware/software cronyism that has been evident in the industry for 30 years at this point. Perfect point: How many times has it gone the other way? Rarely at best. It's almost always exclusively Intel competitors that suffer the M$ whoopsies. Of course the best argument against collusion is Intel's dominate market share driving the biggest base first development cycle but that doesn't rule out underhanded back room shenanigans.

@@TheReapersgaze They'll fix it they did with the other OS's after AMD adapted their software to the changes, everyone ends up doing that anyway no matter the software even internet browsers have to make changes in their coding but shouldn't be too hard since win 11 is pretty much windows 10 apart from more AI being introduced and being made to work better on touchscreens, you've also got AI adapting games to HD graphics so that's probs why the reduction in performance so you've got AI working in the background now but they've only just put it in there and only just being tested on a bigger scale so there were always gonna be some issues with it to start.

@@FlyingMonkies325 ya......back in the early to mid 2000's intel LITERALLY paid companies to not use amd. amd lost BILLIONS in revenue due to intels shitty business practices. intel was sued twice for that. the first one they lost and paid amd LITERALLY 1 billion dollars. they lost the second time and owe amd over a billion dollars to this very day and to this very day, refuse to pay it.

The opposite way of enabling TPM. TPM is disabled by default especially on custom built PCs.

@@TheSjuris that'll change if Microsoft has any say in it though. I got the impression they're advocating the default be on for OEM. The manufacturers on the other hand are all saying "hell fucking no"

i remember looking at a bios update for my ryzen board, support windows 11 by default. i didn't update, and if i did i would look for the setting to disable tpm before i let the computer boot into windows.

@@mrcyberpunk newsflash every PC being built now by OEMs will have Windows 11 which will prevent TPM from being disabled. It’s going to be even harder to get people who are pc illiterate to switch to 11.

@@user--PM BIOS can’t be automatically updated. Going to be harder for Microsoft to convince people to upgrade. Shouldn’t really update BIOS unless there’s a reason to do it.

Facts, same here. Don’t care if they’ll pay me to install it now. Won’t do it

@@Rambo42088 I mean if you where payed 10grand I think you would

im a beta tester :(

yep, its dangerous to be an an early adapter

Same with macOS. I updated nearly day one for 7 9 and 10. But 11 will definitely wait a few months again.

would you like to downgrade to newly security patched win7? --say no more

If only... I'd take Windows 7 over Windows 10 anyday.

@@pinoynobody2329 I installed Shell on win10 so now it works like win7. When I saw those flipping squares where a menu should be I started looking for a solution.

@@MrWadsox Nice!

Win2k was probably the best Windows.... Low ressources usage, very reliable... No useless fancy graphics things...

It's the only ad I never skip 🤣

Lol

Deserves an Oscar..even to see the three of them giving their awards speech😁.

Nah that shits annoying

Best commercial spot on the web or tv

Business would never ever collaborate to profit and destroy the competition! Glances over at Volkswagen and Bosch.

@@TheMADmk and because you say it is true. Ok🙄

@@TheMADmk HMMMMM look at the government and big busisness!! will be no good for the people

There is no law preventing them from working closely with another developer. While it sucks, please keep in mind that you are not entitled to Windows specifically working with the company of your preference. I dont like it either, but this is where Linux gods will likely come into play soon. Rather than throwing the tin foil hat and saying they're coming after your rig (somewhat fair but still looney) sit tight and find every way possible to prevent a windows 11 update until you find anything that supports your rig better. If windows 10 works for you or you're already chillin with Linux then you're fine... just take the tension down a few notches and back your system up.

Tinfoil.

That's why I switched to linux

@@Nunya58294 When it just came out? 😜

Works fantastic for my system

I have both on 2 SSD's. Battlefield 1 is glitching out on 11. Got to use 10 to play.

win 11 you dont have right clic on start button or taskbar and rightclic on desktop has more steps to do till action needed and shutdown button is moved il stay on win 10

It do look better doe

@@ZenTunE- well that depends on your taste.

Get a Mac then for looks

It was pretty much copy paste on the ui

@@brenden1860 Which is good. Why change it if it's already good? They just enhanced the details.

I actually went back to w7😬

@@danielmann316 XP and 7 are the best.

I don't understand it. Win7 is missing so many critical features, why would you want to go back?

Windows 3.1 is the good one.

@@FalconX88 Which critical features are you referring to?

Definitely Pirelli's. PSC2s are pretty much slick on the outermost tread block

That is some quality transition right there. Linus would be proud.

Those tyres would not pass a UK MOT ..

@@therealsilvershadows1909 well here in america it pass because freedom

they have become so money-oriented that even bill gates was disgusted and left. mining peoples data is an offence when Facebook does it but when it's Microsoft it's ok?

To translate: We ll just sneakily update it for you when you least expect it 😂😂

same

This is technically supposed to be what nearly everyone is seeing right now. While Windows 11 is technically out now, it is supposed to really only be for new machines that are optimized for it. The "upgrade rollout" isn't slated to start in earnest until 2022, presumably after all of the growing pains like the one in this video are ironed out. I feel like this wasn't properly addressed in the video. To my knowledge, people can only upgrade to Windows 11 now by going out of their way to the website and manually downloading the OS. Though I am sure and expect there to be at least a few edge cases where people have the prompt to upgrade now in their Windows 10 update menu. These problems shouldn't exist, still. I do not want to come off as trying to justify them. But this seems more less like a story on something Windows 11 is doing wrong, and more of an explicit example of why Windows 11 isn't available for everyone yet and what _shouldn't_ be a problem by the time the upgrade offer does rollout to the masses.

Yeah I have the same message, even though I ran the upgrade thing it still won't upgrade.

mine says windows 11 not compatible with 2 gigs of ram and i must be poor

not need to conspiracy. Its a fact. Intel has been well to known to sabotage AMD performance the best way they could. Always when AMD gains traction and murders intel's products.

Intel is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel, only behind companies like Google and IBM / Redhat. I've had plenty of AMD specific issues on Arch Linux aswell, but AMD support on Linux is increasing day by day even if there are bugs currently. Intel even has their own Linux distribution that they recommend for highest workstation performance, in fact, AMD themselves recommended customers of Threadripper CPUs to use Intel's 'Clear Linux' distribution for maximum performance.

I created a Registry Key on day one of release to bypass everything so you can install Windows 11. I never made my Registry Key public but somebody else had exactly the same idea as me down the letter identical in fact. I guess great minds do think alike after all it is true. My Registry works it doesn’t asked for any hardware checks. I’m an IT Engineer and Software Engineer and within the first few hours of release I bypassed the hardware check after a lot of failures and rewriting the Registry keys I eventually cracked it.

@@arjdroid Doesn't matter who's contributing to linux as long as Linus is reviewing every patch. We'll be fine for 10-20 years more. After that it's a bust.

if linux nvidia would work better on linux i would go as soon as decent game and software support is there

or MS is just this incompetent.

Have you hear what happened to AMD with the first Xbox?

[Arthur Morgan's voice] Calm downnnn it'll be fixed soon.

You need to stay off r/AMD. That subreddit will rot your brain.

I mean I just want to point out that historically speaking, AMD has never had a close working relationship with Microsoft. I've heard friends who have worked for them say that when both Intel and AMD were invited out to MS offices to help work out kinks, Intel would constantly send engineers out, but AMD more often than not sent nobody. I mean let's be honest here, AMD has a reputation of dragging their feet with compatibility support and updates. It's sad to see conspiracy theories of Microsoft and Intel working together to some how hurt AMD, especially given AMD's known past.

What?

@@Crecross it's a spam bot

Did you not watch the video? He said he won’t go into how to enable it at the bios level so it won’t auto install potentially. After he said it auto installed on machines after a enough time passed and MS didn’t like adoption rates.

Do you have Core Performance Boost and Virtualization enabled?

I still have results saved from the last time-spy run I did on Windows 10, and I see a CPU score drop from Windows 10 to Windows 11. The decline is ~12% on my system for CPU. Ironically my GPU score is better, but that's most likely due to optimization on newer drivers. Window 10: GPU: 18739 CPU: 11420 Overall: 17095 Windows 11: GPU: 19385 CPU: 10083 Overall: 17028

The number still in the range of "margin of error" so I guess it's safe to say their performance is on par (or at least if you really want to say Win11 a bit slower because number on the results, but need to do repeated test to actually say Win11 is slower because the difference is so minimal that it might be another variable / margin of error)

@@ValentinoNicko, I agree; it's all stats at the end of the day. The more tests are run, the more one can determine if the drop is sustained. I think enough data is coming from multiple users that the trend shows there is an impact on AMD CPUs.

It begins to get noticable if one is rendering in 3D I do it as a hobby so I'd notice that extra few minutes on an 8 hour render

I bet 150 dollars. *If I had that much*

Lol, so true.

It wouldn't surprise me, we've seen it before that companies will use "valid/good/legit" data for graphs only for us to realize that the data had a truckload of caveats. I can't upgrade with my current system anyway and this only makes me willingly keep my current system until it just bites the dust, and even then I wouldn't use or install windows 11. If I had to rebuild, PopOS would be my first option on hand and maybe something else if that didn't work how I wanted it to.

The next computer I buy is going to have Linux Mint as the primary OS ... assuming prices ever come down to affordable. I will have an older version of windows just incase something doesn't work on Linux. I'm so sick of all the bloatware Windows adds to their OS.

@@xindeal982 I personaly have 4 PC's running Linux and two that still have Windows 10, and one of the two Win 10 is in dual boot with Linux. With all the bad comming out about the ties with Intel and Microsoft. I see a lot more people/users switching to the Linux side. And because of the current inflation rate and market and the lack of supplies, Outside big corps, not everyone has the budgets to buy or build a new system. Like in my case I would have to upgrade 6 PC's just to run Windows 11. I'M not the federal reserve, I don't print money.

You skipped 2000 and had the nerve to lump it with ME? Blasphemy! ME was essentially a shittier 98, but 2000 was great. XP was popular and enjoys a certain nostalgia factor, but it had vulnerabilities out the yin-yang. Vista was shit until near EoL, where it matured and was every bit as good as 7.

@@FuzedBox I'm just reporting what I did in my PC building history - and all the OS-es that I had worked pretty well for me. And that many of my friends who had 95, Me, Vista, and 8/8.1 had frequent issues. IIRC, Me and 2000 came out at virtually the same time - and that one was the "Personal/Home" OS, and the other was the "Business" OS. 2000 was better probably because it had to be because of it being the business OS.

It was already fixed.

@@FuzedBox W2000 was the first build i called stable

They are prolly developing the stuff in India using cheapo developers. And I know the quality. Because I am from there.

Well some of the Right Click Funconality on the Taskbar was moved to Right Clicking on the Start Menu

... so it's vista 2.0?

@@RedBeardedJoe I mean like the actual context menus have different distances from the taskbar. Like if you right click the taskbar, the menu is touching the taskbar. If you right click the windows button, the menu is slightly elevated. If you right click the time/date its even higher.

@@kenabi Lol, not even close. Vista was on its own level of bad... On a scale of Vista-to-Windows10 (Vista the worst and Win10 the best), I would rank it a Windows 8 (not 8.1). It makes a lot of UI changes to the start menu, taskbar, and settings panels similar to how Windows 8 did, and that change alone will make some unhappy. However, add CPU performance drop to the equation, and it's not good. I am hoping AMD and Microsoft can find a solution quickly. I have seen a ~12% CPU drop on my system.

Agreed that thought process can be applied across the board too. Being an early adopter may sound cool for some but actually often sucks.

I'll put it simple. Xbox controller drivers work And steam proton covers the big major anti cheats. Honestly now is very good

I've been only using linux for ages and most of the games I care about work on linux, some worked then stopped working which is annoying but generally most games work all the time without issue and no spying is nice as well :P

give linux gaming a try now. Steam Deck runs linux itself and games work quite well on it, its mostly other launchers that you MIGHT run into issues but even then many work just fine with compatibility fixes like WINE.

@@heydoeradio7298 What about EA Desktop Epic Games Launcher and some other Launchers

@@RedBeardedJoe anything outside of Steam is more complicated to get going than I would expect the average user to put up with. It's typically doable, but nowhere near the point where I'd reccomend it.

Exactly. I'm betting that the "patch" next week won't do much. A proper patch wont come out until after Christmas.

If memory serves me correctly ReactOS was looking really good at one time. That is until Microshaft decided to constantly audit their code to the point they could no longer afford to develop it. The top dogs in the industry didn't get there by being benevolent, and sharing. They're all crooks by one degree, or another.

I really hate that you might be right ¬¬

Pretty sure people will still benchmark Windows 10 performance since not all upgraded to Windows 11, not to mention this stupid collusion between Intel and Microsoft. The mainstream media can sell it however they want, but independent techtubers trusted by enthusiasts here will still call out their bullshit.

@@demontekdigital1704 Is that a defense or an observation? If Intel and Microsoft were actually directly working together to make Intel look better/faster, and delaying a fix until after launch purposely that is definitely not only illegal but hard to defend. Yeah all the big tech companies do bad things, and often even get away with it; but we should never become entirely complacent with it.

Or not upgradeat all, as with cases like Windows ME, Vista, 8, and now we can add 11 to that list. I'll wait for 12 to see something added for end users instead of only giving MS more ways to push spyware and adds.

By the way, that advice covers every software release and OS, not just Windows

I'll upgrade when they stop supporting Windows 10. Or maybe Linux gaming will be mature enough by then so I can just be done with Windows once and for all.

@@t.c.b4722 yep that about covers it. I mean I've never used Linux, but unless they make it so everything in my libraries runs without glitches if I switch to linux, plus the obvious fact I am so used to windows UI, means my likelihood of switching is small. Other than that. yeah when they stop supporting 10 I'll switch. not before. even then if I can do it, I'll do as I do now and download the OS image to a thumb drive and run without paying the insanely asinine $150 per license.

@@howlers8 By the time the Steam Deck is a year old you won't have to worry about games not running.

I'm well into using Linux on all but one machine.

eac is the only reason my pc is not on linux, but not for so long thank god

My windows boot.efi corrupted 6 months ago. tried fixing it, all repairs failed. threw my hands up and installed linux. It works flawlessly. Even with modern games, as long as EAC/battleye isn't used, it'll run fine most of the time. I wish the linux flag for EAC and battleye was opt-out instead of opt-in because I can already see game developers just not bothering to flip that flag, but i'm still crossing my fingers.

Same. The one machine that I have running windows is for those stubborn games that won’t run on Linux. My daily driver machine which I also use for most games runs Linux (currently Ubuntu, but I am planning to at least swap it out for Arch in case SteamOS works better).

If you didn't see Windows10 was a downgrade from 8 and 7 when it comes to performance. We can only conclude 11 will be worse especially Windows/Microsoft are locking in spyware more and more.

Jarrod!

Yes.

I'm using a 3950x and I haven't seen a massive slow down on Windows 11 Pro. Since I installed it compared to my experience on Windows 10.

Im not slowing down but my friends laptop kinda stuttery/freeze in a sec, hes using an nvme ssd on i5 8300h laptop, and it really bugs me even after clean install (yes, including diskpart clean all the ssd). Back on W10 its very fluent.

@@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster I'm using that very same chip and I have the same experience, runs great! Very snappy.