BBC Order And Disorder Episode 2 - Information

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Many thanks to Professor Jim Al-Khalili.

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@Rev0ltTTV
@Rev0ltTTV Рік тому
Love these documentaries I've watched them several times over and over and I get a deeper understanding each time.
@aifan6148
@aifan6148 6 років тому
"...just by using information, you could create order": powerful statement!
@1816m
@1816m 6 років тому
One of the best documentaries ever!
@ElectroNeuron
@ElectroNeuron 17 днів тому
There is so much that's great in this documentary but OMW the script is just incredible.
@makucevich
@makucevich Рік тому
A fine presentation, but there is a glaring omission. Charles Babbage invented several programmable mechanical calculating machines in the 19th century. And his assistant Ada Lovelace was the first programmer.
@zeebay003
@zeebay003 5 років тому
This is Gold. we need more documentaries like this
@atlormerjo8830
@atlormerjo8830 6 років тому
I played this video for at the very least 200 times Never seen it right through because I keep falling asleep
@whoknowsknight9628
@whoknowsknight9628 6 років тому
Atlor Merjo funny. I actually like to put a jim al khalil video to go asleep. And it is not the first time I see such a comment. I like the atom series : )
@jont9607
@jont9607 5 років тому
ya its the best for that ya?/
@goonmcgoon7236
@goonmcgoon7236 5 років тому
Haha I have fallen asleep a few times watching this guy. Nearly did watching this
@Alaquand
@Alaquand 4 роки тому
Hahaha same
@ransomware7964
@ransomware7964 7 років тому
Amazing documentary!
@tvittori
@tvittori 7 років тому
Excellent docco I enjoyed that.
@dmswanson5694
@dmswanson5694 6 років тому
Exquisite, comprehensive, excellent visuals, music, and camera/cut, very well presented; an actual, practical, instructive presentation of what information actually is. Well done.
@michaelawford7325
@michaelawford7325 5 місяців тому
Yes except the annoying distracting overlaid sounds track, it’s not music, it’s sound effects. I saw this programme in its original showing and no sounds effects. Spark seem to like doing this when they acquire rights. Can they remove the track.?
@antoniomaglione4101
@antoniomaglione4101 4 роки тому
Congratulations Prof. Al-Khalili for all your efforts, it is really appreciated. Pity not available on iPlayer though...
@52Royston
@52Royston 7 місяців тому
Fairground organs also use punched cards, to produce music. What is interesting is that the punched cards also program the machine as to which particular ‘instrument’ plays the music; repeating the same piece over and over again with a different sound each time.
@kuujjuaq10
@kuujjuaq10 7 років тому
+Ali Veli: The opening tune which sounds similar is by Alex Menzies. So might be same.
@sator666666
@sator666666 7 років тому
Great music!
@SabreenSyeed
@SabreenSyeed 6 років тому
Wow! what Professor Jim said at 49:49 is actually what the knowledgeable mystic Khidr says to Moses. "The knowledge that u and I have is not even a drop in the ocean as compared to the knowledge of the Absolute Consciousness!"
@petarradev4298
@petarradev4298 5 років тому
This video is profound :)
@blackdog9770
@blackdog9770 5 років тому
Jim's best documentaries were produced by Nic Stacey. His programmes Everything and Nothing are also top notch.
@neobourgeoischristum5540
@neobourgeoischristum5540 7 років тому
---- The Durable Universe ----- No such thing as circumstances No breaks in time only one event No dents in the universe Light can't be broken Consciousness can't be bent
@newENIO11
@newENIO11 7 років тому
my go to video when i can't sleep.
@kuujjuaq10
@kuujjuaq10 7 років тому
+ali veli: not sure about the music. will try and find out.
@billy-joes6851
@billy-joes6851 7 років тому
The size of the dumps I take make me question everything I've learnt in this doc.
@jont9607
@jont9607 5 років тому
ok, lets see sum pics ya?
@Alaquand
@Alaquand 4 роки тому
Show and tell
@kuujjuaq10
@kuujjuaq10 6 років тому
Thanks, Ali.
@bingeltube
@bingeltube 5 років тому
Very recommendable
@matthiasaldorf5701
@matthiasaldorf5701 7 років тому
The soundtrack is pretty cool. Does anybody have an idea what some of the songs are?
@matthiasaldorf5701
@matthiasaldorf5701 7 років тому
Thank you very much! :)
@haddoxguitars9158
@haddoxguitars9158 7 років тому
yep! Share what knowledge you have and the bad things in life will dissolve, life will become free again.
@khalabhoseah3846
@khalabhoseah3846 6 років тому
?
@hohlwelt
@hohlwelt 5 років тому
Is there a list of the titles? I'm especially curious about the two at the beginning. Cheers
@josephinewhite6224
@josephinewhite6224 6 місяців тому
Interesting and well presented. Just think of how much greater than man in magnitude, is the Mind that created it.
@rcs300
@rcs300 5 років тому
29:00 (25:22 if you didnt see the deamon part yet) - If you build a machine that can mimic the actions of the daemon, that machine will be using energy so that is not ONLY information. Furthermore our body's are basically biochemical machines, we run off of biochemical energy, our brains use that energy to pass electrical charges around in there to formulate ideas and other information so even if there was a daemon who could do that he would not be ONLY using information, he will use energy to formulate that information then use the information and more energy to react to let the right particles in. Just my thoughts on that.
@rcs300
@rcs300 5 років тому
never mind lol they just added what i mentioned above, around 53:
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 7 років тому
Nice post. I live in France and I have a large woven silk picture by Jacquard from the late 18th century/ early 19th. It is very beautiful, if a little faded now. You don't see such work anymore (unless you have a great deal of money!)
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 7 років тому
Hello Scott. It's from the Romantic period - size 97 X 200 cm. (1 metre by 2 metres) Two shepherds in the right foreground, 2 sheep and a small dog. A lake and two small waterfalls midgound (one with 2 cupids) and old stately home on the background. I don't actually have a photograph at the moment, but I suppose I could arrange to have one taken. There is another slightly smaller tapestry designed to slide along a pole 160 X 90 cm.
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 7 років тому
PS. I have several pastels by Belohorksy also - girls portraits and some other ephemera.
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 7 років тому
PPS (!) A friend dropped by and took a pic on his phone. He's going to e-mail it back to me. I don't know the resolution yet; but not an easy pic to get given It's size. If you are serious, we need to work out some better contact! Cheers.
@glutinousmaximus
@glutinousmaximus 7 років тому
I live in rural SW France. I'm quite IT fluent; but I choose not to use mobile phones or have TV (especially _NOT_ French TV - It's awful!) I have (temporarily at least) subscribed to your channel, but you have not included a discussion page: otherwise it might have been useful for this sort of thing. *_:0)_*
@jont9607
@jont9607 5 років тому
how come all French cars have 3 reverse gears and only 1 forward gear??
@terencemagee
@terencemagee 5 років тому
Why that London pic of King´s Reach Tower and London Weekend building at 28.43? What´s the meaning behind it, the connection?
@mikestirewalt5193
@mikestirewalt5193 10 місяців тому
Words are sounds and the far more interesting and mysterious question is where did words come from? And when? .
@Eaglepass
@Eaglepass 3 місяці тому
How does one reconstruction a 7yr-plus-planet-earth community commet in an episode. It's like finding an awesome old texed-book inside the never ending story.
@JasonJason210
@JasonJason210 7 років тому
I usually fall asleep to these but this one kept startling me into wakefulness. It's 4.30 am and my mind is still boggling. I mean what if the demon just looked at the speed of an approaching particle? It would not need to keep account of all of them, surely. This was too much. And that demon was weird.
@AliVeli-gr4fb
@AliVeli-gr4fb 7 років тому
Does anybody know the music around 56:00
@sergiyshutyayev5436
@sergiyshutyayev5436 5 років тому
kathexis.bandcamp.com/album/order-disorder
@tima1824
@tima1824 4 роки тому
@@sergiyshutyayev5436 thak you a lot!
@shekharpaul966
@shekharpaul966 7 років тому
does anti-matter can be formulated as information by shanon's "principals of mathematical theory of communication"..or else it needs a separate anti demon to observe?
@djayjp
@djayjp 7 років тому
Information isn't that which is "unexpected", but rather a physical change (of the state of a system).
@abstractapproach634
@abstractapproach634 7 років тому
yeah it's wierd, action at a distance changes the "state" of a system, but you can't send information faster than c so I think your definition is lacking something. But I don't have the information to tell you what it is
@abstractapproach634
@abstractapproach634 7 років тому
maybe a physical change in the reciever that can be related to the sender in some deterministic way....still probably no good but might explain the "speed of dark" and "action at a distance"
@brajabasisahu5281
@brajabasisahu5281 7 років тому
Correct.
@sedevacantist1
@sedevacantist1 7 років тому
I salute your attempt at understanding the meaning of information. Jim Al-Khalili may truly be confused or purposefully disingenuous. The reason why he would be dishonest is because of his world-view of materialism. Mr. Al-Khalili defines information correctly some of the time and incorrectly at other times. I see his error reflected in your post “physical change (of the state of a system).” Allow me to clearly explain his and your misinterpretation of information. Mr. Al-Khalili with an eye dropper and slow motion observes the fluid dynamics that a drop of water makes when dropped from several inches into a bowl of water. Mr. Al-Khalili describes this as representing a large amount of information when in fact there is no information present at all. Information is not material; matter or energy. If the actual event were described through Information it would be an abstract substitutional representation of the event. The event was what it was and is only capable of representing itself as itself. To be clear, one cannot claim that everything in the universe is information, which would correspond to the world-view of materialism in so much that it incorporates information as all actual events in time and not just a description of an event or an understanding of the events abstractly, which requires an intelligent mind. This truth has wider reaching implications which are destroyed by purposefully misdefining information to promote a world view.
@brajabasisahu5281
@brajabasisahu5281 7 років тому
It is much more difficult to answer the question --" What is Information ? " --then answer the question -" Does God exist ? .To the second question -there are two answers--(1)Yes (2)No .Then comes a third answer --God sometimes appear to Exist and sometimes appears Not to exist...Then more and more answers are found by permutation and combination of these three answers--like creating longer and longer Binary Numbers...But to the first question ,there are No Two Answers.. So you have to start with some answer and continue the discussion....Some explanation is better than No explanation.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 Рік тому
"Could this theoretical 1D concept be the truth behind everything" Mathematics runs deep. : )
@generaldilvry69
@generaldilvry69 4 роки тому
@54:00 - okay but what absolutely infinite memory medium environments, such as the one created by quantum computing?
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 Рік тому
Quantum computers can't store infinite information. That's one of the many misunderstandings about them.
@nancyhope2205
@nancyhope2205 5 років тому
The Demon has to expend energy to open and close the partition....
@chewyjello1
@chewyjello1 4 роки тому
Right. I didn't get that thought experiment at all. Pretty sure magic demons who can open and close doors using no energy do not exist.
@FonsecaStatter
@FonsecaStatter 7 років тому
What about Ada Lovelace?... And Charles Babbage?...
@darrenlovelace3d
@darrenlovelace3d 7 років тому
ya
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 7 років тому
Well, not really.. this is the story of the science of information not the history of the development of the digital computer.
@mollystreames7369
@mollystreames7369 7 років тому
Didn't see u when I put ada above :)
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 7 років тому
except this is a history of information theory not a history of computers.
@symmetrie_bruch
@symmetrie_bruch 6 років тому
what about konrad zuse ?
@delilithkerk1130
@delilithkerk1130 7 років тому
25:00 + is that demon......."playing with" himself??!
@planpitz4190
@planpitz4190 5 років тому
To all that think a human mind is needed to store data and hence produce information : Did nature need a human mind when storing data in the DNA?
@qualquan
@qualquan 2 роки тому
Info = order Faster (hotter) or slower (colder) than average particle has more info. Average particle has less. Or non uniformity = info. Uniformity = no info. Bits (yes or no) are unitary symbols.
@Alwaleed7610
@Alwaleed7610 7 років тому
Can´t the demon example be explained by simply stating that the very act of computation taking place (Sensing the velocity and trajectory of each particle, processing this visual information and then computing the exact time when the slot should be opened) requires the expenditure of energy in any case? Why would the 'deletion' of memory be the only process that expends energy?
@JasonJason210
@JasonJason210 7 років тому
Alwaleed7610 Precisely. The demon doesn't need a big memory.
@johnhepp
@johnhepp 7 років тому
I had another question about that demon problem... what about the energy used to open and close the partition?
@Alwaleed7610
@Alwaleed7610 7 років тому
Good point.
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 7 років тому
Lazer Liteshow you have to assume there's no energy involved in that. The thought experiment has been modified over time to account for culture and advances in technology. So let's say the barrier was an electromagnetic field and on one side only fast moving particles could penetrate it and on the other side fast moving particles were repelled. Lets also assume the field itself made up less than 0.00001% of the energy in the entire system... or some other tiny amount... now you don't need doorways OR a demon... but the logic still holds. The problem is obviously that for one thing even if it worked then the separation of hot to cold areas would still take time. Secondly the time taken is related to the speed of the fast particles and the slow ones... the slow ones will obviously take longer to move to the SLOW box... At some point in time you will have one box with zero fast moving particles which has not yet captured all the slow ones... they are still in the box with the fast ones... But the memory or 'information' barrier still cannot be overcome. Eventually the system will need to make room for memory of events and if you delete the existing information it uses up energy from the system by putting the particles back where they were. In current computer science one way of minimising this effect is the use of memristors as opposed to transistors in integrated circuits... but even so the information barrier will catch up... eventually. So you can make the system efficient.... but even at 100% efficiency you cannot get all of the fast and all of the slow particles into the boxes without the system needing to delete. Its a pity Maxwell was dealt the 19th century.... he'd have had a real ball in the mid 20th century.
@adamrspears1981
@adamrspears1981 6 років тому
Alwaleed7610 Because the Entropy of that system continues to increase. There are too many particles for the demon to know each one's position & vibration. Entropy is hidden information.
@Odisej1
@Odisej1 Рік тому
is there episode 3?
@hal9000xxl
@hal9000xxl 5 років тому
I don't get demon concept at all. I guess if he is demon he can open door and close them with out using energy to begin with lol. Also that barrier that traps molecules on one side has to stop slow molecules in some way. Of course that would be molecules hit barrier and thus they would transfer some energy to that barrier. Barrier it self would hit up eventually and radiate that heat into space thus increase entropy. And what kind of screen would that filter have to be anyways? It has to be material and I am not aware of any material or space condition including vacuum that stops energy from expending and increase entropy. If you manage to hit up one side of cube, well that heat would use that barrier to transfer it self to the other side with out even opening some door or not.
@terencemagee
@terencemagee 5 років тому
And again at 57.25. What´s going on there?
@bluebird2724
@bluebird2724 Рік тому
can anyone help me im looking for a Jim Al-Khalili documentray on paradoxes can anyone please help i cant find it agian
@pertevdural4513
@pertevdural4513 9 місяців тому
maxwell demon using energy to open/close the door for particles.
@pertevdural4513
@pertevdural4513 9 місяців тому
4 temmuz 2023
@dannykrinkle4726
@dannykrinkle4726 7 років тому
Why do so many British narrators sound like Elmer Fudd?
@eldonjanzen9822
@eldonjanzen9822 5 місяців тому
And yet the DNA molecule incoded is extremely more complex and some say "it was all random". What!!? That is obviously wrong!
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
Is a picture writing more than a world or even world's
@andrefouche1958
@andrefouche1958 5 років тому
The noise associated with events masks a great presenter’s voice to the point of inaudability. A real pity.
@user-lq9oi5jq3n
@user-lq9oi5jq3n 6 місяців тому
Ok.
@zdenekbina6044
@zdenekbina6044 Рік тому
Great documentary. But the deamon uses more than just sight. He uses the energy to open and close the gate. The approximation is not accurate.
@evfich
@evfich 7 років тому
this guy is a genius. he's awesome.
@jont9607
@jont9607 5 років тому
can only imagine wen the demon gets his release...
@xyzllii
@xyzllii 7 років тому
Why is there no mention of Ada Lovelace? Also...though the Prof. is good, I wish he would not keep using the word incredible....when he means ...credible.
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 7 років тому
xyzllii Would you believe most of the evidence now points to Lovelace being more of an advisor and having nothing to do with the programming of the difference engine. It never got off the ground anyway and if it did and she had lived maybe thing would be different. But as it turns out most of the actual work in terms of instructions was done by Babbage himself and sent to her in many cases years after he produced it himself. So Lovelace probably would have been the worlds first programmer... if she was given the opportunity. But that was not the case.. unfortunately.
@xyzllii
@xyzllii 7 років тому
Would I believe this? I would need proof...ie sources of this info etc. Who has declared this...and based on what new evidence?
@Rico-Suave_
@Rico-Suave_ Рік тому
Watched all of it 58:47
@ronaypronayp
@ronaypronayp Рік тому
No! The first ORDER FORMULATED in humanities consciousness is SEPARATING of surrounding objects and identification that ones.
@martarivera7893
@martarivera7893 7 років тому
55:32 .............
@sergiyshutyayev5436
@sergiyshutyayev5436 5 років тому
kathexis.bandcamp.com/track/disorder-7-piano-1
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
Concesness thought thoughts process....
@djayjp
@djayjp 7 років тому
Doesn't give enough credit to Babbage.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 7 років тому
Well, not really.. this is the story of the science of information not the history of the development of the digital computer.
@tvittori
@tvittori 7 років тому
Or George Boole.
@billy-joes6851
@billy-joes6851 7 років тому
djayjp or Bowie
@spc67h
@spc67h 7 років тому
Doesn't mention the programmable mechanical calculator at all, only its predecessor (the Jacquard loom)
@spc67h
@spc67h 7 років тому
Konrad Zuse?
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
By showing and drawing Human understand everything Aculy and if some have say pozitive thoughts process will have passion to understand all. , Every each Human body have enough elements to understand perfectly life , life isn't money's only elements , this is a reason why yous all die early
@chrisftw92
@chrisftw92 4 місяці тому
L n utility
@ElusiveCube
@ElusiveCube 7 років тому
They say that the Danube valley writing is way older than Sumerian, only time will tell.
@siberrr428
@siberrr428 2 роки тому
ადდენ დეიტჰ
@gogggler
@gogggler 7 років тому
Like your informative videos but those weird sounds are grating my brain
@grahammiller5812
@grahammiller5812 5 місяців тому
irving looks like ray finkels grandpa
@JT-zt7uq
@JT-zt7uq 5 років тому
5:56 that was like a bad British knock-knock joke.
@metrologe
@metrologe 4 роки тому
fascinating intonation, but unfortunately always as with materialists, they simplify into distraction and present like a final truth "everything in the universe could be coded (onto punchcards)" - but no! the essence of a flower is not its picture, not even its smell, a.s.o.. Leaves the listeners in the materialistic scientific comfort zone (corner for utilarism). But: Meaning, life, conciousness - we have no idea how these truely combine with (Shannons) information concept ...this just to disturb the too much sure a little.
@hanspeter-lv2cs
@hanspeter-lv2cs 5 місяців тому
Bitte in deutsch.... bitte
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
The wrong developed world's with fulish thoughts....
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
Some pictures about constantly systems what yous never will understand coz to much useless Humans pleasure thoughts.....
@chaitanyaparmar7327
@chaitanyaparmar7327 7 років тому
background music is so disturbing.
@MrSvenovitch
@MrSvenovitch 7 років тому
and annoying
@JasonJason210
@JasonJason210 7 років тому
chaitanya parmar May be that's why I couldn't sleep.
@adamrspears1981
@adamrspears1981 5 років тому
Don't slander the music. Its great. Its me as accoustic energy. You owe me an apology, & I would like my apology, now please & thank you!
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
More analysis not ide
@Attila000The0Hun
@Attila000The0Hun 7 років тому
Binary code into machine is translated by A German engineer who has given rights to replicate the original one: Conrad Zuse earlier than WW2. Hence, I disagree At&T labs usage for binary code...Simply, everything from 16th century is coming from Germans, English, French,Dutch etc but mostly Germans.... How succesful they are? The race; education; culture or something in geography? Turks has their own culture with respectful to women, but it is changed after religious convert! Then, they captured to ignorant philosophy! How can we go further in this swamp? Hope to change by another Increfible Turk: Ataturk.
@billy-joes6851
@billy-joes6851 7 років тому
This is fake news !! our planet is a pancake I call it pancake earth theory.
@billy-joes6851
@billy-joes6851 7 років тому
Yahweh likes pancakes, he makes pancakes not planets .
@billy-joes6851
@billy-joes6851 7 років тому
lone wrecche "pizza is a pie not a cake" fuck you , challenge accepted!!
@knicklas48
@knicklas48 7 років тому
Information is a human concept it didn't exist until we created it.
@adamrspears1981
@adamrspears1981 6 років тому
knicklas48 Completely untrue! Animals realize information in order to thrive. Plants, for example will increase or decrease the number of stomata on the underside of their leaves in response to how much oxygen is or isn't present in Earth's atmosphere. Even plants perceive information. Viruses thrive by retrieving information by their host's DNA. Information & realizing it is definitely not a fabrication of thr Human mind.
@djayjp
@djayjp 7 років тому
It doesn't really explain anything at all.
@EarlLedden
@EarlLedden 7 років тому
Maybe that trillion trillionth of a gram of sugar energy just isn't kicking in for you! Even do. you've got to admit it's interesting.
@buxk9378
@buxk9378 Рік тому
I love his docs, but the constant addition of atonal noises, is annoying
@patrickbond5348
@patrickbond5348 2 роки тому
Anyone here from chemistry a level from Stoke college?
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 10 місяців тому
no but I'm sitting right next to the man who once passed by to the South of one of my aunts paths that takes her slightly east of her usual east/west path towards a place that is just a stone throw away from my neighbors window on the 5th street, not the 7ths like you're used to anyone else from here? Oh wait never mind I was sitting next to a mirror, never mind so I'm basically siting in my living room that is facing my neighbors house.
@janoswerner2800
@janoswerner2800 Рік тому
Yous maybe better to not taking and writing
@drmilimiliy9343
@drmilimiliy9343 7 років тому
Why do these presenters have to be so dramatic and self obsessed? Does anyone notice how condescending these people are?
@Eaglepass
@Eaglepass 3 місяці тому
Time demon is Kelvins captured Celsius at database Columnars ecosystem a cryogenic performance management. Knocking-off a ⚅♡lonely hearts club dj.exit Or editing.atoms Radical change has infinite band ⚛ values. he's reminds me a bit of a bite-sized bouncer-type after the midnight hourglass-concert doomsday got tenets a touret is more of Elvis Presley leg tic.
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