Behind the Windows Start Menu - Insider Secrets

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Dave's Garage

Dave's Garage

10 місяців тому

Dave takes you on an insider tour of the creation of the Windows Start Menu. For information on my book, "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire": amzn.to/3diQILq
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@RenderingUser
@RenderingUser 10 місяців тому
They added ads to the start menu. Look how they massacred the wonderfully efficient start menu
@bubaks2
@bubaks2 10 місяців тому
Yes. Its sad :’)
@1964catt
@1964catt 10 місяців тому
You can open the registry and disable them and the stupid bing search thing
@LanceMcCarthy
@LanceMcCarthy 10 місяців тому
I wonder what the look on Dave's face was when he first tried Windows 8's full screen only start menu
@_GhostMiner
@_GhostMiner 10 місяців тому
Just rip them out?
@NotMarkKnopfler
@NotMarkKnopfler 10 місяців тому
​@@1964cattyou're missing the point: you shouldn't have to! I divorced windows 6 years ago! 100% Linux since then.
@livefreeprintguns
@livefreeprintguns 10 місяців тому
It's so rare to get behind-the-scenes firsthand accounts from the actual people involved... thank you for making these!
@fredashay
@fredashay 10 місяців тому
It's interesting, but there's more to the story that he's not telling. For example, Phil Katz wrote the original PKARC program in the DOS days as a compression module when BBSes were everywhere. This was followed by a bit of controversy over who owned the rights to the compression algorithm, so Katz wrote a new algorithm called PKZIP. There's some who claim that Microsoft stole ARC from Katz, which is why he wrote ZIP and Katz's name fell into obscurity. Regardless who's side you take, Dave should have at least mentioned Katz and given Katz at least some of the credit instead of making it seem like he wrote ZIP.
@thiekus
@thiekus 10 місяців тому
​@@fredashay Wrong, there's already ZIP file program implementations others than PKZIP back in early 90's like open-sourced Info-ZIP. Sure he's not invented ZIP file, but it is not impossible to anyone to write ZIP parser as Dave claimed, since Phill Katz's PKWARE have published ZIP file specification in early day. Also can you give evidence if Microsoft stole Katz's code as you claimed? The only information is the ARC author (Thom Henderson) is the one who accused PK, not Microsoft. Then if you don't have enough strong evidence, don't spread lie by misinformation. What a irony...
@thiekus
@thiekus 10 місяців тому
​@@fredashay What? Dude are you okay typing that not on high? 😂🤣 Just because you can search on google doesn't mean you right. In the fact after I researching again on google as you said, I didn't find your claim. May you misunderstand history but Microsoft even never involved on ARC/ZIP feud, in the fact it's feud between ARC author & Phil Katz. Or may you got "trust me" source and you just blatantly agree? You even said Dave is lie and can't provide any source of claim how he lied. Sorry, I'm not defend Microsoft, since I have rather than use Linux distros and free alternative for now, I just debunk your nonsense claim. I don't feed trolls like you and I'm sure others readers won't agree for you at all
@macsnafu
@macsnafu 10 місяців тому
@@fredashay He didn't say that he wrote ZIP. He said he wrote a ZIP-file parser (indicating that ZIP compression already existed) that eventually became his shareware program Visual ZIP. And that was later incorporated into Windows.
@macsnafu
@macsnafu 10 місяців тому
@@fredashay Did you even watch the video? He didn't take all the credit. He didn't talk about Phil Katz or PKZip because it was irrelevant to what he was talking about.
@S3Kglitches
@S3Kglitches 10 місяців тому
"Software is like a sausage, maybe you just don't wanna know how it's made" Gold
@MsDuketown
@MsDuketown 2 місяці тому
Problem is that the Coca Cola doesn't need to explain itself to anyone beyond shareholders; it a secret recipe meant for business. Open source and Linux are more like a cookbook.
@kustomnetworks
@kustomnetworks 10 місяців тому
I personally like the behind the scenes stories about product development that Dave Produces
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 10 місяців тому
For those that are curious about the green window: the windows behind me are powered by NightDriverLED.com and for some reason the green window kept losing WiFi and I couldn't tell until edited because it was all behind me... so I added the "No WiFi" logo when the window quits :-)
@calebbell5018
@calebbell5018 10 місяців тому
Thank you, i thought it was a easter egg but I didn't understand it!
@batorerdyniev9805
@batorerdyniev9805 10 місяців тому
No
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 10 місяців тому
Now that I am going back and watching it, and seeing the logo pop on and off as Dave is calmly talking through his video is quite entertaining. The subtle humor is great. What was with the green box though? I understand glen cant read it but there must be a backstory.
@unclerojelio6320
@unclerojelio6320 10 місяців тому
Sweet! This is the first I've seen of the installation wizard. There goes my three day weekend. Can we get an update on the Mesmerizer board?
@obd6HsN
@obd6HsN 10 місяців тому
@@calebbell5018 I was about to try and work out the hidden message.
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati 10 місяців тому
It was possible to change "START" to "STOP" or any other string 5 characters or less. The string is stored in explorer.exe which could be modified using a hex editor for instance. You had to copy explorer, rename it, edit it, delete the original and save the modified copy as explorer.exe. Upon reboot i was the coolest kid in 7th grade!
@seremptos
@seremptos 10 місяців тому
what about languages with a longer string ? You could add even more characters right ?
@Aviertje
@Aviertje 10 місяців тому
Cooler still were the win95 days (I think iut was fixed in 98+) where if you put the keyboard focus on the Start button (I think you had to dismiss the menu), and then did alt+space, it gave you the system menu that you'd usually expect from regular windows. Now, you might think that if you hit 'close' you closed the shell.. and you'd be wrong. All it would accomplish was that your start button would entirely disappear from the taskbar. It was a very fun way to troll friends back in the day.
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati 10 місяців тому
@@seremptos my memory is that the string was 5 characters long so you had to fill the unused characters with spaces if the word you were replacing START with had less than 5 characters. I believe if you added more than 5 characters the checksum of explorer.exe would be wrong and the program would not execute. Edit- Everyone is saying that the checksum would change with any edit and that sounds right. All I know is that if you changed the file too much it would not run.
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati
@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati 10 місяців тому
@@Aviertje now that is something I never knew about!
@Mellence
@Mellence 10 місяців тому
I remember doing a hexedit on explorer and I did it wrong and explorer would no longer work. That is when I learned that you could run a program from task manager
@ARitzCracker
@ARitzCracker 10 місяців тому
Blue...Folders...are...compressed. after nearly 20 years, I finally have the answer. It was a question from my childhood that was never truly answered. Thank you. I can now rest easy
@LanceMcCarthy
@LanceMcCarthy 10 місяців тому
Msft is about to change that in the next insiders release. They'll be pulling a bunch of legacy File Explorer options.
@Eyetrauma
@Eyetrauma 10 місяців тому
12:08 “I’m never quite sure how my humor is received by some folks, so…” Too real Dave 😆
@tharaxis1474
@tharaxis1474 10 місяців тому
Being a teenager around the 95/NT era, I remember looking at NT3 and NT4 with excitement and awe. I would read magazines and articles about these powerful operating systems, imagining running them on my computer and using their tools. Operating Systems were exciting in a way they seldom are (if not entirely aren't) anymore.
@surject
@surject 10 місяців тому
I used NT to run my BBS (PCBoard) with 2 nodes because Win95 failed miserably regarding multitasking/background process resource management. Used Win95-98SE only for gaming/multimedia. Was pretty happy when XP came around covering both worlds.
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 10 місяців тому
I really got into computers around the time Windows 98 was around but had access to plenty of machines that were way too old and slow to run 98 or 95 in any usable way, so I got knee-deep into DOS and Windows 3.1 territory trying to make these old machines somewhat usable. My neighbour gave me a big pile of late-80s DOS magazines that were quite helpful trying to mess with old hardware, one of them contained a massive table with config data for hundreds of MFM hard drive models. Some manufacturers, like Seagate, migrated even their oldest data to the internet and made it available free of charge by the late 90s but for some more obscure models you had to rely on paper data from back in the day. At school we had IBM PS/VP 486 DX2/66 machines with a stunning 8 MB of RAM and 250 MB hard drives that were completely overwhelmed by Win 95 and Office 97 so - with the admin's consent - I downgraded ours to DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11 running Word 6.0. Together with a free Epson dot matrix printer and a bunch of DOS games it was quite useful well into the early 2000s. I'm surprised we never got any noise complaints about that printer, our classroom was on the third floor and you could hear the printer by the front door on the ground floor, even with the classroom door closed.
@jaydekaytv
@jaydekaytv 10 місяців тому
I loved the computer magazines back then - and the Best Buy ads! We got a decent computer in 1997 - I was in my mid teens. Got it at Sam’s Club 😆. I’ve been a UI designer for over 20 years - it all started with MS Paint on my friend’s computer several years before my family got one.
@bchristian85
@bchristian85 10 місяців тому
I used to do the same thing. Windows was exciting around that era. I remember dreaming of having a computer of my own that could run Windows 95, as I still had a hand-me-down running 3.1 at that time. I'd say the excitement continued into the XP era. I think Vista's failure not only ended hype for Windows releases but made people dread them. I think in terms of usability and stability, 7 was as good as it gets on the desktop.
@jaydekaytv
@jaydekaytv 10 місяців тому
@@bchristian85 Same here! I also dreamed of having my own computer. I also looked forward Comp USA, and Circuit City ads in the Sunday newspaper. Today I still open up the Microcenter emails even though I don’t need anything. 😆 I eventually built a computer to call my own which I needed for design school circa 2000. A little later I got a Toshiba laptop which I also loved dearly - I was inspired by Eric Jordan’s laptop (founder of 2advanced studios a popular web design company) which was a Toshiba. XP was my fav windows OS and I used it for a long time until switching to Mac for my main computer. Been using Macs mainly since 2007. In 2016 I built a beastly PC for special 3D rendering work. It’s a dual Xeon 20 core machine with four Evga GTX 1070 FTW Hybrid water cooled GPUs. It’s a pretty exotic machine and weighs about 50lbs. It runs on a ASUS workstation motherboard with error correcting server class RAM. 64GB of RAM in that PC, my Mac has 72GB of RAM. I’m happy to have been a part of the early mainstream days of the internet, it was an exciting time and very different from today! 😍 Cheers! 🍻
@Liriq
@Liriq 10 місяців тому
Dave, man, this stuff is fascinating! The origins, the war stories, the history. And you deliver it all so entertainingly.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 10 місяців тому
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@keithsink1742
@keithsink1742 10 місяців тому
Thanks for the trip down memory lane Dave. I worked in building 17 for three years, having been transferred from Charlotte, NC to Seattle to work on the AnswerWizard(clippy). I was there from '94--98. I had forgotten about SLM until you mentioned it. I still remember going through one of the buildings and seeing all the versions of alternatives to Clippy that the animators had made for all the other languages of MS Office. The dolphin and secretary from the Japanese version always come to mind. And the different easter eggs for the Word and Excel versions were fun. I remembered the teams always tried to outdo each other to make the best ones with the least memory.
@AaronOfMpls
@AaronOfMpls 10 місяців тому
Yah, I've seen some of the Clippy alternatives, though mostly just in the options of the US versions. And the app- and function-specific easter eggs were kinda fun, too! I do think Clippy was a bit of a lost opportunity, though. With a bit more thoughtful effort, he could've been a much more useful assistant, rather than something so many of us turned off once we already kinda knew how to use our Office apps.
@mrt456
@mrt456 10 місяців тому
You're a brave man admitting to being one of the people behind the annoying as hell Clippy :D
@CapTVchilenaShootingStarMax
@CapTVchilenaShootingStarMax 10 місяців тому
The Japan-only assistants were nice! Kairu the dolphin, Sun Wukong and Saeko-sensei, the secretary (or “OL”, office lady, in Japanese).
@keithsink1742
@keithsink1742 10 місяців тому
@@CapTVchilenaShootingStarMax i found that the secretary animation looked horrible when it was downsized.
@waverly7761
@waverly7761 8 місяців тому
Oh man, clippy brings back memories. Although it was infamous at the time, now after all these years I think the idea behind it was a noble one. It was an attempt to make computers less intimidating to the average 30-40 year old who didn't grow up with computers and were scared to death of pressing the wrong button or "breaking" something. My first job was on-call tech support, and I couldn't believe how many people would tell me they were scared of their computer.
@adambed
@adambed 10 місяців тому
I'm an engineer and I really admire people who create daily use things. It was great to see how one of them has been developed. Most people are unaware how much technical knowledge and effort is underneath all those solutions. Thanks for sharing this great story!
@satunnainenkatselija4478
@satunnainenkatselija4478 5 місяців тому
Yep, developing with native win32 C api is so nitty gritty that most people wouldn't believe how much code you have to write to just make a window.
@skylerdeckard
@skylerdeckard 10 місяців тому
As a kid in 1999, I had two things; a computer and a broken leg. That time stuck inside lead me to peruse a career in computers/software engineering. These videos are terrific at peeling back all the layers of things I used as a kid, but had no idea about. And the fact it’s from YOU Dave, it feels like I’m getting real inside baseball. Thank you for making these.
@scriptles
@scriptles 10 місяців тому
Dave, thank you for my childhood. Thank you for my adulthood watching these videos. Your legacy lives on and your hard work is truly appreciated. Thank you for everything.
@NomadicDmitry
@NomadicDmitry 10 місяців тому
Literally all the components that you have created are really important.. Start menu, Task bar, the "run" dialog. Thank you, I am the child of the 90s and been raised with the computers in some small city in the southern Russia :) Traveled the world a lot since then, but your memories make me feel like that curious kid from the 90s once again :)
@HamishPrendergast
@HamishPrendergast 10 місяців тому
I'm so very glad I discovered your channel. It's refreshing to hear from senior developers involved in architecture we depend on. I'm autistic myself. I often hear that we make natural programmers. Unfortunately, I'm struggling. Take good care.
@dsuess
@dsuess 10 місяців тому
Amazing episode as always, Dave! Thank you for sharing yet another chapter in the history archives
@nicknorthcutt7680
@nicknorthcutt7680 10 місяців тому
I have so much respect for developers like yourself. I can't code to save my life but I've had a love for computers all my life. It's just crazy how much discipline and mental energy it takes to write programs like yourself. Love your content!
@toby9999
@toby9999 10 місяців тому
I think you need a passion for it, that way you'll invest the time and energy to make it happen. I was originally hobbyist back in the 70s, then worked on my Bachelors in Computer Science then subsequently entered into programming as a professional 23 years ago. I never tire of it provided that the project is an interesting one. Writing reports, documentation etc not so much.
@pyp2205
@pyp2205 10 місяців тому
I also think you should have a passion for it. Because from my experience, I would make programs based on what I need for some other project, or just for fun which then I would make some open source for anyone to use. Before I started my freshman year of high school almost 4 years ago, I tried to learn a language like C++ and C# but couldn't understand anything. Then I took a Python programming class, and I remember the stuff I did at home would be exactly what I need to do in class the next day. Now I graduated highschool almost a week ago, and moved onto other programming languages and made a lot of projects during those times. One of which was made for a networking lab, that not only impressed my teacher but also got some people asking for the program. Which I of course gave it to them, after I had to fix an unnoticed bug because I copied and pasted functions without changing some variable names.
@wngimageanddesign9546
@wngimageanddesign9546 10 місяців тому
Great behind the scenes stories! Using Windows all these decades, it's fun to discover you created a lot of the stuff we use.
@johnwhyte1488
@johnwhyte1488 10 місяців тому
You Sir, are history; in the nicest possible way. What a wonderful story told so humbly. Also, love the binary shirt! All the best to you and yours.👍👍👍
@michaelsparks3703
@michaelsparks3703 10 місяців тому
please continue this "Insider Secrets" series. First hand history lessons like this are fantastic!
@michaelb7071
@michaelb7071 10 місяців тому
Thanks for sharing, Dave! Love to listen to those stories about things we saw and used nearly every day.
@VirusForPrez
@VirusForPrez 8 місяців тому
Been using your creations every day now for decades without really giving a thought who was behind them ,I guess now is the time to say Thank you for all you brought to the community ! Thank you
@stachowi
@stachowi 10 місяців тому
This is amazing... being a behind the scenes look into the tech that influenced my life and made me want to get into tech 20 years ago. Thank you.
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 10 місяців тому
I find these videos fascinating for several reasons. Firstly, I really enjoy looking behind the scenes and seeing how things were/are made. This video struck another chord with me though. I'm an avid fiction reader and although there are dozens of books I love, the one I consider my absolute favourite is Microserfs by Douglas Coupland and that book is set at Microsoft HQ in 1994. This video gave me a deeper look into the place where the characters in my heart, Dan, Michael, Susan, Karla, Bug and all the others worked.
@dripcode2600
@dripcode2600 10 місяців тому
Thanks! I always enjoy these behind the scenes stories, learning about Easter Eggs, and the issues with porting code from ASCII to Unicode. I hope you keep sharing!
@andydraw4707
@andydraw4707 10 місяців тому
Loving the variety of your videos Dave. Keep up the excellent work!
@NateTheMeh
@NateTheMeh 10 місяців тому
These videos are an incredible look into such a cool and important part of tech history. Thanks so Much for making these!!
@EddieBurke
@EddieBurke 10 місяців тому
Everything you make is extremely historically significant. Thank you so much for making these.
@brixhodl4765
@brixhodl4765 10 місяців тому
I just discovered your channel. It's awesome to get a behind the scenes look at the operating systems that I grew up along side with. Thanks for sharing!
@stefanlagrange188
@stefanlagrange188 10 місяців тому
Great video, Dave. Please keep making them. It was interesting to hear all the challenges you had with Unicode.
@idaknow716
@idaknow716 10 місяців тому
Brilliant. I was a young help desk tech helping people through their computing experience.
@ObligedTester
@ObligedTester 10 місяців тому
Hey David! Thank you so much for sharing these stories. Wonderful to hear about development during the 90s era!
@xp677
@xp677 10 місяців тому
I'm loving these insider stories from Windows history! Many thanks for sharing. And it's good to know you have an excellent taste in cars as well!
@casstelles
@casstelles 10 місяців тому
Great work on the video. I always enjoy the backstories of computing history, and I look forward to more stories in the future. Your knowledge of how Windows does what it is does is always interesting.
@lonndawg7554
@lonndawg7554 10 місяців тому
Dave,... Conveying stories like this are very insightful, it also helps to attach some knowledge of how things were created, for those who are computer enthusiasts picking up knowledge and history like this is important because it provides a foundation and completes a more rounded education. I enjoy the stories.... and from another point of view..... You are documenting some history that may never be in textbooks. :-) Please, continue to bring us more behind-the-scenes stories.
@leosthrivwithautism
@leosthrivwithautism 10 місяців тому
I love these stories! To know that I’m working on a system this man and his team introduced long ago is fascinating to me. And when I was in my high school age I did take a few classes in Visual Basic. Among a few other programming languages so when I see code I can get the general gist of it. There are the most advance parts I can’t read but following the logic and reading the functions I can sort of almost understand. All of this is awesome stuff when I think about it. Keep up the great work on these videos! And I’ll keep coming back to watch again. 👍
@sleeepey
@sleeepey 10 місяців тому
Thanks Dave, I love these insider videos! I don't know if you already have done this, but I think it would be interesting to see you interview some of your former colleagues to get some more stories those bad old days.
@JARPON
@JARPON 10 місяців тому
I love your stuff Dave. It is inspiring to hear about your early career as I work myself to move into the software development field. It seems to be a hard skill to master, even coming from years of powershell and other scripting tools. Keep up the great content!
@Neeboopsh
@Neeboopsh 10 місяців тому
win95 osr1 you could click on the start button, and it would put a select box on it (as you see in the NT demonstration here). alt+space would pull up the right click menu, though right clicking would not pop it up. but the alt+space would open it, and the close option would be there. so, at bestbuy or whatever, we would screenshot demo machines, then make the screenshot as the wall paper, close the start button, and hide the task bar, and move all the icons out of frame (make a folder far away from the icons, then select all, drag till everything but the folder is off screen, then delete just the folder, but the folders still look like they're there. from the screenshot wallpaper. including the start button, which is closed. ;) very fun
@Rcomian
@Rcomian 10 місяців тому
Briefcase ... now that would be an interesting story, like, starting with what it was actually meant to be 😅
@moffix
@moffix 10 місяців тому
I have used every Windows version including versions with the briefcase and never used it once. I guess in early laptops was supposed to be stuff you could copy and later sync or something - baffles me to this day. Never met anyone that found use for it.
@alexsutton85
@alexsutton85 10 місяців тому
I really like your videos about the history of Windows and all the technical stuff, even though I don't understand most of it, it's fascinating to look back at how it all started with someone who helped to make it happen.
@VioletDeVille
@VioletDeVille 10 місяців тому
Oh, the memories (nightmares?) of my brief time working with SLM back in my early days at MS as a contractor in BackOffice. I really enjoy these walks down memory lane and hearing the stories. 💜 Thank you for sharing!
@raphamejias
@raphamejias 10 місяців тому
Congrats! This old histories are very good! When I see on the internet any Win NT stuff, I always think the NT box was beautiful, with this theme day becoming night, different from the cloud day from w98. I never understood why this, now I think NT was supposed to run at night on servers and w98 for the day on workstations😅
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 10 місяців тому
I'm not sure on the origin of the branding. It could be a clever play on being "above" the Win95 sky background, in a way. That's also a live gradient painted in the start menu code - it fades to a sold color when then takes over if the menu is taller.
@gentuxable
@gentuxable 10 місяців тому
And then with Windows 2000 and ME I also found the squares of 2000 to be more beautiful than the play bricks in Me. There must be a theme of NT being superior to 9x.
@GingerJohnnyOR
@GingerJohnnyOR 10 місяців тому
Once again, in my c. 1800s rocker, tea in hand, and I get the alert: a drop from The Garage is available. Oh boy! Win Start Menu...sure...let's watch. Turns out, I'm no vegetarian...and as a retired developer, I want to know what's in the sausage. Thanks Dave!
@corriedotdev
@corriedotdev 10 місяців тому
Thank you so much for sharing all this. I live for this kind of thing as a dev, (VR now) and hearing it from "the horse's mouth" so to say is incredible. Thanks again this is super inspirational Dave!!
@grahamhickson4137
@grahamhickson4137 10 місяців тому
Your stories of your time at MS as a neurodivergent are massively helpful in my fight against imposer syndrome from my ASD Dave. You improve my days indeed!
@Aranimda
@Aranimda 10 місяців тому
The Windows 95 shell update that came with MSIE 4.0 was magnificent. I loved the hover interface.
@MsDuketown
@MsDuketown 2 місяці тому
Yeah, that's when and how the prompt became emulated. I believe the process finished with Win 98 SP2, and between IE5 and IE6. And interface? What is that for ridiculous naming? Are you a manager? Support? After-sales?
@mholzer54
@mholzer54 10 місяців тому
Hi Dave. I am one of the young men who built an IMSAI 8080. I still have it and I finished building it on July 4, 1975 in a cabin up in Big Bear. My questions are: 1. Do you remember Dr. Dobbs Journal of Calisthenics and Orthodontia (running light without over-byte)? Since I only had 56K ram, a 2K basic interpreter was too good to pass up. They had published a Tiny Basic, which I typed into my home-brew monitor which was stored into a 2708 EPROM. Oh my, how things have changed. 2. A by the way, I got a copy of MS Basic, at a time when I did not know who Microsoft was yet. The thing I was most impressed with was that it coded just like Basic Plus 2, for which I was developing utilities for our network (1 MBps DecNET) of PDP 11s. After watching your story about the early incarnation of MS Basic, now it all makes sense. 3. You mentioned the way to get the credits from the authors, but you did not mention how to invoke it in Windows 11. Would you be able to fill us in? 4. If you would be interested in my IMSAI (the real deal, not a simulator), I could be cajoled into parting with it for a small price. I have not powered it on in quite some time. It has 56K ram and an 8K EPROM board. A Tarbel Cassette interface, a home built (yes wire-wrapped) that interfaced with a printer that used a TTL parallel interface without buffering. I wrote what turned out to be "double buffering" since the printer would stop accepting data during CR-LFs, before I knew the term double buffering. The IMSAI brought me to a career spanning from 1975 until this year as I retired. Thanks for all your most curious stories, Marc
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 10 місяців тому
Hi Marc! My IMSAI is a clone, it would be great to have an original! Drop me a note at the channel email from the About page and we can chat on what it'd take to get you to part with it! Very cool that you were involved that early. I would only have been about 7 years old at the time :-) I've run MSBASIC and CPM on mine, but haven't spent a great deal of time with it. I imagine you've seen the video I did on it? If not, check it out (I bought the computer from wargames, I think it's called). The credits screen is only in Windows NT 4, as far as I know. Win95 had a different one, NT 3.51 had a screensaver one, and so on. But you won't be able to get this one on Win11!
@endrankluvsda4loko172
@endrankluvsda4loko172 8 місяців тому
These behind the scenes videos are all kinds of interesting! Thank you for sharing!
@mikeguidotti3521
@mikeguidotti3521 10 місяців тому
Love this stuff. Please keep making these, they are fascinating. Thank you!!!
@tanmay9928
@tanmay9928 10 місяців тому
Damn it’s so satisfying to learn about things we’ve all been using since our childhood. I just finished watching the task manager video. Great video Dave!
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 10 місяців тому
Thanks! Glad this kind of content is appreciated! I've only got so many stories, and might do a few shorts as well, but will share what I remember!
@Michael_19056
@Michael_19056 10 місяців тому
Love the history Dave. As an inventor of data compression algorithms, I love the story of Zip folders in particular. It makes me look fondly back three decades to a time when everything felt so very new. Thanks again!
@stgigamovement
@stgigamovement 10 місяців тому
I'm the writer of BWTC32Key, a file compression program
@BaldrsFate
@BaldrsFate 10 місяців тому
I always enjoy seeing the behind the scene look at how things are made with computers. Keep up the good work man.
@JonnSandon
@JonnSandon 10 місяців тому
Keep up the great work on informing us all 😊
@grottyboots
@grottyboots 10 місяців тому
I would love to hear your experiences with the changes to the file system as MS moved from 8.3 to todays long filenames. Seems to me there must be plenty of interesting stories. Cheers!
@DukeofEarl1961
@DukeofEarl1961 10 місяців тому
Love the binary shirt. Any chance of a link to where you got hold of it?
@phatputer
@phatputer 10 місяців тому
DOS through early versions of Windows was my youth, your videos have been so fascinating to watch, a unique perspective and insight into things others on the outside looking in could never provide.
@MarkShryock
@MarkShryock 10 місяців тому
These videos are absolutely fascinating. Thanks for posting them.
@Rahmancarr
@Rahmancarr 10 місяців тому
Dude! I WANT THAT SHIRT! Please tell me where you got it!
@kraftwerknl
@kraftwerknl 10 місяців тому
Great video! I'm somewhat confused by one thing though, you describe the NT Cairo shell as being seperate from the earlier Windows 95 one and competing, but I'm fairly sure I've seen that same shell in the very earliest publicly available Windows 95 betas. I always figured the final Windows 95 shell one was simply an evolution from this early design, is this not the case?
@WndSks
@WndSks 10 місяців тому
Yes that screenshot is of what was then called the Tray. Cairo was supposed to blur the line between a filesystem and database. They tried again in Longhorn and failed, the end result was Libraries in Win7.
@kraftwerknl
@kraftwerknl 10 місяців тому
@@WndSks I did some more googling and the screenshot apparently -is- from Cairo's GUI component which apparently came -before- Windows 95's taskbar which was based on the work done for Cairo, according to Wiki and Betawiki anyway. But if that's the case, I don't really understand the timeline mentioned in the video.
@bhollingsworth
@bhollingsworth 10 місяців тому
Love seeing your videos when they first come out! Cheers and thanks for continuing to post great content.
@UncleUncleRj
@UncleUncleRj 10 місяців тому
You've made (or worked on) so many parts of the OS that I use daily, I both congratulate and thank you.
@GHHodges
@GHHodges 10 місяців тому
11:15 what’s that funny box in the upper right? Asking for a friend….. Glen
@notnotjay
@notnotjay 10 місяців тому
Dude, you wrote pinball? I got banned from my school's computer lab for playing that on lab's computer.. good old times
@davidwplummer953
@davidwplummer953 10 місяців тому
I wrote the version that ships in windows, but the game already existed for WIn95 from Maxis. So I'm by no means the creator of the game, just the programmer who made it all work on Windows NT/XP/2000/etc.
@BrianHoney
@BrianHoney 9 місяців тому
Dude- I am SO glad I found your channel! I can remember loving NT 3.51 back in the day- so solid compared to Win3.1 and then 95. I can remember buying a copy of NT 4.0 when it was released- so wild hearing these stories.
@damon4233
@damon4233 10 місяців тому
This is amazing. These are genuinely amazing. Thank you for these videos, they are a real treasure. :)
@TheRealCheckmate
@TheRealCheckmate 10 місяців тому
*I just want to know if there'll ever be a new OS that works as intuitively and flawlessly as Windows 7. I bought Win 8 and hated it. I upgraded to Win 10 or whatever it was and hated it. I just want something that works like 7 so I can actually find things and work with it. I don't want resource-hogging, distracting active tiles all over the place, and I want a task bar to open programs, and the ability to have a hundred or more tabs open and be able to find them. I'm a desktop guy, not a "smart" phone guy. I use a trackball, and don't want to pinch and scroll my way around!*
@dryicicle
@dryicicle 10 місяців тому
Thank you for these videos, they are actually pretty intriguing. I never knew you worked on zip compression at all, now i gotta go find that video too!
@coffeeisgood102
@coffeeisgood102 9 місяців тому
I enjoy these talks as I spent 2 years at Florida Computer & Business School studying Windows and computer repair. That was many years ago but your videos add the missing link of the human dimension that was not and could not be taught in those classes. Thanks for taking the time to record these videos.
@kylanwalters37
@kylanwalters37 10 місяців тому
These are great!!! I'm a hobby developer and love learning the history behind the software and tools i still use today. Keep making these vids!!! 😁
@jeremykelly7311
@jeremykelly7311 10 місяців тому
Really appreciate the trip down memory lane. I spent a lot of time with sustained engineering work and debugging odd customer problems, but these stories were the fun part of the code. As odd as it sounds, I always rather enjoyed browsing the code to find those debug mode flags the devs left in the code in retail build. Definitely helpful for those "that is never supposed to happen" situations.
@Edzward
@Edzward 9 місяців тому
Amazing! Thank you, sir. Not only for your work but also for sharing this amazing piece of computer history!
@billgates3699
@billgates3699 10 місяців тому
Dave, there are thousands of people that have stories like your in tech and programming but you are the ONLY one that is gracious enough to SHARE!!!
@ShadowRadiance
@ShadowRadiance 10 місяців тому
I love your looks back at the work you did at Microsoft. Great episode!
@christophergrow
@christophergrow 10 місяців тому
Thank you for making these... Really love the history and details..
@nicktucker4916
@nicktucker4916 10 місяців тому
Excellent video Dave. Always fascinating to hear how things came about.. Thanks!!
@MaltaMcMurchy
@MaltaMcMurchy 10 місяців тому
Thanks for another amazing video, Dave! 🌟
@allieflounder5764
@allieflounder5764 10 місяців тому
Dave you are such a humble legend! You have no idea how great this content is.
@waverly7761
@waverly7761 8 місяців тому
Thank you Dave, and the rest of the team for bringing us one of the most revolutionary OS's of all time. The first job I had out of college was tech support & domain administration on NT Server 4 & SCO Unix systems. I always felt lucky I got into the industry at that moment. I always loved the start menu on the NT systems, truly inspired work!
@dudederrick2002
@dudederrick2002 10 місяців тому
Your shirt is awesome! Love hearing your stories! ^-^
@SebastianRestrepo343
@SebastianRestrepo343 10 місяців тому
Thanks for the video Dave!
@bubaks2
@bubaks2 10 місяців тому
Thanks Dave. Ive always loved the start menu. :D
@notbugs
@notbugs 10 місяців тому
Really fascinating to learn about the history of the tools I used to work with back in the days. Cheers from Sweden!
@SidebandSamurai
@SidebandSamurai 10 місяців тому
I love these stories. Thank you for sharing.
@skygh
@skygh 10 місяців тому
I have enjoyed these back stories. Thanks Dave!
@sharmashivanand
@sharmashivanand 10 місяців тому
It's so beautifully nostalgic... I used to work for Dell desktop support... 20 years have flown by... ❤
@outofstepbaritone
@outofstepbaritone 10 місяців тому
I love listening to these videos in the background. Another good video!
@LuisGarcia1992_
@LuisGarcia1992_ 3 місяці тому
Your videos are so well made and fascinating to watch! They will go down as real gems in computer history!
@WagnerGimenes
@WagnerGimenes 10 місяців тому
More please, Dave. Thanks for the stories. Excellent.
@sanjitdaniel4588
@sanjitdaniel4588 10 місяців тому
Amazing!! Thanks Dave!
@hareshkainth8259
@hareshkainth8259 10 місяців тому
Another brilliant behind the scene. I really enjoy Windows 98, 2000, XP and 7. Im still rocking a Windows 2000 Pro PC for my retro gaming and my classic Visual Studio 6.0 for retro programming. Dave please share more insights/behind the scenes. Thank you sir.
@johnburgess2084
@johnburgess2084 10 місяців тому
Absolutely Fantastic! If I can make it, I'll be eagerly looking for some of your LED displays as well. Please keep up these fun history sessions.
@tankerock
@tankerock 10 місяців тому
Recently found this channel and absolutely loving the no bloat content. 🙌💪🏼
@CRBarchager
@CRBarchager 10 місяців тому
It's always a joy to watch your stories from your time at Microsoft.
@NeilRoy
@NeilRoy 10 місяців тому
Love these sorts of videos. Keep 'em coming. Thanks.
@jaytheblader6701
@jaytheblader6701 8 місяців тому
Love your work Dave, both then and now.
@DavesGarage
@DavesGarage 8 місяців тому
Thanks!
@accesser
@accesser 10 місяців тому
This is my favourite style of video from you, thankyou
@sharazjek338
@sharazjek338 8 місяців тому
amazing! , i supported and have used systems from dos/3.1 all the way through all windows OS's to today, fascinating listening to someone who coded windows and the features ive used for decades, thanks for making these vids!! 😁👍
@eb37fnrcty19
@eb37fnrcty19 10 місяців тому
Genuinely enjoy these episodes, both on the task manager and this one on the start menu. I remember, I think it was back when the original age of empires was released (I think I was about 9 or 10), wondering who wrote the code for "all the things in windows". Feel good throwback. I think I ran AOE on our first pentium computer with windows 95 that could connect through modem to the internet. "ARE YOU ON THE INTERNET AGAIN" when someone in the household picked up the phone.
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