You cut out a vital part of that video where Sam Harris makes it clear that he doesn`t mean ALL muslims. Your whole video is based on bad editing from your own part. What Sam Harris means isn`t that ALL muslims are bad, but that islam as a religion is more dangerous than other religions. You know that and that makes this video even more embarassing from your part.

Why do people defend Islam but hate on Christianity?

Ben Affleck = human being

50k /41k. Polarised for sure.

Ben Affleck needs to actually go to the middle east.

did anyone else unsubscribe from TYT years ago when you got out of your teen years and realized that these people are not the intellectual and unbiased people you actually thought they were?

"We cannot conflate a criticism of Islam with Islamophobia." 4mins in, he promptly conflates the two. This channel is such swill, honestly.

" We have to be able to criticize bad ideas." True statement.

This is SAD! You are straight up LYING!

I like how the audience claps either way. "Liberals suck!" Claps. "Liberals are awesome!" Claps. What a confused group of people.

He didn’t say “all of them”. Stop lying.

What i learn as a muslim toward other religion is "supporting them is not allowed but respecting them is must"

Remember, all religions are equally bad! That's why so many cartoonists fear for their lives when making fun of Jesus or the Catholic Church. Oh.

Ben Affleck, a two-time college dropout, criticizing Sam Harris. That is hilarious.

I served in the Gulf War and Iraq, but I didn't find any of what people were talking about. They were ordinary people with semi-free thinking, and it wasn't the hostility that people were talking about

@7:45 he never said over a billion people hold those pernicious views. Way to try twist his words..

iam muslim and I dont belaive in ISIS as muslims we love peace I love u all :(

Am I supposed to believe that all of these people who disagree with Maher and Harris think Islam is full of good ideas? Kristof disagreed with Maher/Harris, then went on to admit that human rights activists are risking their lives by simply being human rights activists in countries molded around the principals of Islam. That is a totally asinine stance. Affleck also came off like an imbecile, with his snide, baseless remarks. Also, there most certainly IS a difference between racism and bigotry, so stop muddying the waters and conflating terms. It's not nitpicking, and it's stupid to suggest it is. Cartoons depicting Mohammed resulted in worldwide riots, for starters. All the twisting in the world won't change that. 7:23 Bullshit. That's not what he said. Cenk is lying.

the audience claps and WOWs either way 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The Qur'an says that "there is no compulsion in religion," so anyone claiming that Allah orders other Muslims to kill the leaver is out of line. We are not allowed to punish people who decide that Islam isn't for them, and Muslim theocratic governments who make laws that have such punishments within them are not doing so from an Islamic position at all. Its really important to understand that these people who are in favour of these things don't even seem to understand their own beliefs.

"'Islam is not a race.' Don't nitpick stupid stuff like that." Bullshit! Islam is *not* a race, nor it is a country, it's an ideology and this was clearly stated by Mr Harris, "Islam is the motherload of _bad ideas_." At which point Mr Affleck plays the race card with gusto and enthusiasm. The more examples I see of your "liberalism" the better I feel about having unsubscribed.

Ben, if you can't keep up with the conversation, you will have to sit at the kiddy table.

Paused this at 3 seconds when I realised it was a TYT video. Now I am going back to search for the same clip of Affleck but on a different channel.

Remember when Cenk was simi-reasonableness and not suffering from TDS These were peaceful days lol

This is so smart from Affleck. By strongly rejecting any rights non-Muslims have to criticise Islam and making nice with all parts of the religion he ensures that the Islamists will never seek to harm him. In essence he has provided himself with an anti-terrorism shield rendering him immune to all explosions and attacks. After all, this is what happens when you appease bullies and not you know; the bully gets encouraged by your willing, cravenness.

Sam Harris is a genius who has studied this stuff for years. He says its the motherload of bad ideas because it fucking is! You don't see modern Christians doing the things that modern Muslims are doing. And even so Sam is no stranger to ripping apart Christians either. This guy knows his shit, I mean he's a decorated neuroscientist with a tremendous amount of insight for fuck sake. Who the fuck is Ben Affleck but a second choice for bat man? Sam Harris has got more knowledge and intelligence in his pinky than anyone else at that table combined. Cenk is so wrong here, unbelievably wrong. Like how many times are you gonna straw man his arguments. Cenk is a smart man but I find it hard to believe that he is really this incapable of understanding what Harris is trying to say. Sam clearly is not generalizing all Muslim, he is criticizing the belief system and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that because the belief system fucking sucks. He's not saying anything about Muslims that he wouldn't say about Christians.

I predicted which side Cenk would fall on this and my prediction was right.

He didn't say Muslims where particularly bad, he said Islam. The ideology not the people.

I think it is very important to distinguish between criticising a race and criticising a religion though. Criticising a race is nonsensical and unethical, because a person's race does not directly determine their beliefs and actions. Whereas people have to be able to criticise ideologies that they do not agree with.

If i'm wrong i'm wrong, just please answer. So if "most" of Islam is "non-fundamentalist" (which i assume Ben Affleck thinks most of Islamic country allow freedoms like the US) can you burn the Qur'an or a picture of Mohamed in public in any Muslim country without getting in trouble? And, I mean in trouble because you are defiling a religious identity, not arson or any other bullshit.

Ben is like superman, I love him. but I don't think he quite understood what they were talking about.

There is NO ideology or religion that is ABOVE criticism

As a Muslim I can tell you that what taliban and ISIS is doing has nothing to do with Islam. EDITED: all the people showing hate are actually proving the talibans right. Talibans are of the view that all non-muslims hate Muslims and whatever you do they will call you liars and hate you. STOP PROVING THEM RIGHT. peace and love.

Take a chill pill, Affleck. This is why you and Superman starting throwing down!

I'm muslim... I don't wanna blow myself up.. just for some reason... I just wanna spread peace and i wanna be myself.. I don't want to force others to follow my religion if they don't want to.. because it doesn't count... Idk what these guys are talking about with no knowledge of Islam also Kudos to Ben Affleck for Atleast defending it... The first line he said was true.. they don't have the knowledge of Islam how can they speak with/or against it... It's like proving science is wrong without knowing anything about it LOL

I don’t remember seeing this recap. Let’s see which way they take it.

I wish they would both go live in islam ruled country and then come back and yell us how much it is like us!!

you do realize that your statistic which was supposed to clearly debunk the whole "20% of muslims have somewhat radical views" thing adds up to almost exactly 20% of muslims supporting death penalty for leaving islam?

I like how Ben and this guy from Turks running this show thinks

Yes, we need to empower the moderate Muslims and acknowledge their views. I am Amex-Muslim who loves some aspects of Islam but disagrees with a lot of Islamic beliefs.

Looking at that poll, the 20% number seems very reasonable.

10:30 "Sam says 20% of Muslims are radicalized, he made that up" *Shows graph that confirms at least 20% are radical. "So when you say all Muslims, that's not true!" What???

Interesting observation: A majority of the countries that are most radicalized on that chart shown have had some form of MILITARY involvement that crumbles their stability and economy. And we all know what comes with shitty socio-economic circumstances. I hope, with the right kind of leadership, these countries flourish down the line and are able to weed out all forms of radicalism.

Its not muzlim, its muslim. Its not Izlam, its Islam. Learn to pronounce 'S' before speaking english.🙄

Affleck will go down as one of the biggest fools in history

Bill Maher did not say all Muslims hold those beliefs. Affleck said none of them do. Maher said some of them do, he didn't say all.

Ben is one stunned dude

I bet so many people who claim to be well educated on religion they only read one book and not even finished it but quick on making comment . I want to know if Sam or bill ever read Quran

"The crucial point of confusion is that we have been sold this meme of islamophobia, where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam gets conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people." And then Ben proceeds to spend the rest of the segment proving Sam right.

"islam is the motherload of bad ideas" this statement from sam doesn't in any way shape or form address any sort of people, it's a statement about ideas. if one says that christianity is stupid and dumb, then one is talking about the religion itself and not the people that are exercising it.

Do you ever really listen to what you say. You are so prejudiced in the way you speak.

Speak to an ex-Muslim if you want to know the truth about just how peaceful the religion is.

Dude, you call out the 20% number as being unsupported, claiming that Sam Harris doesn't have any polls to support what he said, but you stopped the clip right before the part where Sam Harris provides one of the polls that supports that number. What are you doing? You're supposed to be an intelligent thinker.

Why would you even invite Affeck to this debate? Thats like inviting me to talk on the Higgs boson

Ben, you the man.

Ben has great points ❤

I love how Chenk completely cuts out the opposite side's argument to change it and responds as if that's the argument.

wtf? bill maher didint say all muslims" ben affleck said " no muslims" so maybe he got lost in translation but thats what happened

Bill didn't say all of the billion hold those opinions... he was clearly just disputing Ben saying that a billion muslims don't hold those opinions. It's funny how people interpret the opposite of what was said to fulfil a narrative of superior thought against opposition.

Man I love you bro!! I love yo channel and all the people on it rather I agree or disagree Thanks family for truth

Bill/Sam say Muslims, Cenk hears "all Muslims". Nice.

He clearly said "i know there is people bigoted against muslims and thats a problem, but we are talking about critisizing a bad idea, and islam is a motherload of bad ideas" Then Cenk goes on to say that "when you see muslims as particulary bad..." That's excactly waht he said in the beginning of the sentence! he was talking about islam as a bad idea, witch it clearly is like every other religion fundamentally is. And you just tippy-toed around it claiming he's accusing all the muslims. ffs...

If Islam is a religion of peace, doesn’t it follow that extremist would be MORE peaceful rather than more violent?

Why the anchor in every episode says he is an ex-muslim..he should rather paste a poster in his head of ex Muslim😂😂😂😂

That chart that Cenk showed at 11:05 pretty much proves Harris' point and Cenk doesn't even realize it. You'd have to take into account the populations of each of those countries but the average percentage seems to be right around the 20% mark. I mean Pakistan plus Afghanistan plus Egypt is 300 million people. People keep bringing up Indonesia as if two billion people lived there or something. There are almost as much people in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Egypt who think apostates should be killed (196 million) than there are people in Indonesia who don't (219 million). So ya, this isn't something to brush under the rug as a tiny minority. It's hundreds of millions of people who hold some incredibly stupid and dangerous beliefs that stem from their religion. Also, in case you were keeping score, 20% of a 1.5 billion is 300 million. In just three countries: Egypt, Pakistan and Afghanistan 196 million people think apostates should be killed. So that 20% mark is not made up as Cenk so stupidly implied. PS: I was just doing a quick calculation so I assumed all people in those countries I mentioned are Muslim which isn't correct. So in the interest of openness and honesty my figures are slightly inflated. I don't feel like doing the actual calculations for a youtube comment probably nobody will actually read, so this is just a rough estimate.

Ben Affleck seemed naïve and overly emotional. Bill Maher and Sam Harris are correct on this issue. Sam Harris took the time to explain the context of this exchange. It is worth reading - www.samharris.org/blog/item/can-liberalism-be-saved-from-itself

I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can watch this and this Ben Affleck is even coming close to anything as coherent as a point

Islam... Christians... all the same to me. Each of these religions shouts that they are a religion of peace, Jains are the religion of peace.

When someone drew prophet's cartoon in the past, all we heard and preached from the mosques was: Don't resort to any violent responses, That is not our religion. That is not Islam. And I'm sure this is the case in 99% of Muslims. They see Islam as the path to spiritual purification not through violence or extremism, but through love, kindness, and compassion. The radicals who see war or violence as a shortcut path to paradise or Jannah, are Not Muslims, They are Terrorists, and true enemies of Islam.

Straight out of the gate Ben claims that criticism of the religion is racist... Criticizing a religion is not racism, hate or bigotry. All religions have bad ideas that should be criticized, calling people racists for doing so is just trying to avoid said criticism.

I am shocked by the number of folk think the death penalty is appropriate for leaving the faith. I say that as someone who is not a fan of Harris

Mr. Cenk Uygur come back to Islam (peace) Rumi says; " who ever you are .Wanderer, worshiper, lover of leaving. Ours is not caravan of dispair. Come even if you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come yet again. Come. Come " Allah bless all.

Who gives a shit what Ben Affleck says?

None of them have ever lived in a Muslim country.

This to me seems like that they are afraid of Islam.go to the library pick up the Qur'an and read it then judge it

Ben Affleck feel concerned and devastated to hear such an islamophobia words , bc hey we are same

Hahaha Cenk and Ben Affleck trying to argue with Sam Harris is like one-armed kids playing basketball against Michael Jordan in his prime.

Sam Harris is an intellectual train wreck.

How many Centuries have they been fighting each other?

Cenk, Maher said any of those 1 billion musling hold those belief. Of course he was speaking of some, and not all. To say that he implied that all Muslims have these hateful ideas is a gross lie about what Maher said.

ohh the anchor is ex-muslim, I thought he was Latino

Ugh. I can't even watch anymore of this. I came to Turks cause I thought I would hear some reason. No one is just picking on Islam over other religions. They are doing so just in this conversation but as the host even pointed out Harris bashes all religions not just Islam. His beef is with liberals who are either afraid to criticize what goes on in these Islamic countries or just too lazy to. I agree Islam is not the problem the problem is liberals who refuse to take up causes to help Muslims like Hamza Kashgari when Saudi courts imprison him for making heretical tweets about Mohammed. Cenk goes on to conflate Harris's number of 20 percent. Cenk claims that Harris believes that 20 percent of Muslims want to blow things up. Liar! Cmon, he never said that. He said 20 percent want to create a muslim state in the world with muslim laws and muslim beliefs. Included in this bunch are Muslims that would blow themselves up but that is a small percentage. Cenk seems to believe the only problem with Islam is young teenagers blowing themselves up.It's not! There are so many other issues with Islam outdate take on society that needs to be discussed. Cenk criticizes Sam Harris for his inaccuracies but then goes on spit out lies like female mutilation. Yes, some christian countries do that(half christian/the other half is muslim), but most are full muslim countries. Sam Harris point is that we should try to help the countries. NO ONE said we should bomb them . What is Cenk smoking!!!? Look I understand, when someone attacks your culture, no matter how much you hate your culture you become apologists for it. It's very normal. I do the same with my background even when I am fully aware of how stupid it is. In the case of Cenk and Ben Affleck he has found his background, liberalism under attack and it's clear he has become an apologist for it.

Cenk Uygur was not doing a good job of addressing the points actually said and the positions of Bill Maher or Sam Harris. For one, Bill Maher was not saying that all Billion and a half Muslims hold pernicious harmful views. What he said was “just not true!” was when Ben Affleck said that all of them do not hold those views, as in none of them hold any pernicious views.

I think this is completely valid and I've only just seen this like, what, 7 years later. Thanks buddy for providing me with a fab take on all this shit. I wish you could come to Australia and give a bit of this perspective x

Cenk made a lot of mistakes, but here's two big ones -- 1) Bill Maher: "A billion people you say? All these billion people don't hold any of those per -- [interrupted] -- don't hold these pernicious beliefs? I would..[mumbling and interruptions] - that's just not true, Ben." Cenk Unger: "...Bill Maher saying, 'No, over a billion Muslims. All of them. Not a small minority. Not even, you know, a significant minority.' No, he said, 'That's not true. All of them hold those opinions.' He might not have literally said "all," but when Affleck talked about over a billion people, Maher said, 'That's not true, they do hold those - [babble] - over a billion people hold, what, radical views.'" So, maybe Cenk missed it because of the interruption, and because Bill Maher worded it poorly, but Maher was clearly trying to say something like, "You don't think that out of a billion people [or a billion-five, as Affleck points out], there aren't any people who hold any of these pernicious views?" I think from context it's clear that this is what Maher was trying to say, which makes Cenk's further accusations that Maher and Harris were talking about "all Muslims," or nearly all Muslims, incorrect. 2) Sam Harris: “Just imagine some concentric circles here. You have at the center, you have Jihadists. These are people who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying. They believe in paradise, they believe in martyrdom. Outside of them we have Islamists. These are people who are just as convinced of martyrdom and paradise, and wanting to foist their religion on the rest of humanity. But they want to work within the system. They’re not going to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments; they want to use democracy against itself. That, those two circles, arguably, are 20% of the Muslim world...” Cenk Unger: “...but the negative way of addressing that is, ‘All Muslims believe this.’ And then based on that poll and a couple others I saw, I’ll make up a number of 20% who all are radical Islamists who would like to blow people up.” So, this is just Cenk blatantly misrepresenting what Sam Harris has said. Not to mention that Affleck could have taken him up on the offer to talk about where the 20% figure came from, and he didn’t. We don’t know if Harris had a sound basis for the claim (although he addresses it a little in parts not shown here, but not enough to actually justify the 20% figure). Cenk turns around with one study on Muslim attitudes about the death penalty among various Muslim countries, and without doing any math regarding the sample sizes in question, he concludes the 20% figure is bullshit - also without any real foundation. Now, Sam Harris’s mistake was that he didn’t say what proportion of the 20% was the type to kill people, and which part were the hardline theocrats who were a threat to liberty. But I think it’s clear enough from context that he meant for the killing group to be a much smaller portion of the 20% than the hardline non-killers. After all, the killers were supposed to be the innermost circle of concentric circles; suggesting that the next (non-killing) circle outward is larger (duh). Cenk is just being deliberately uncharitable and misleading in interpreting Harris’s argument. He does this with Maher and Harris's statements all through the video in order to wrongly portray them as saying that all Muslims are violent extremists.

BEN AFFLECK has Produced directed and acted in ARGO which was an oscar winning Film. which showed negative aspect of Muslims killing Americans in the 80s harshly.. I guess Ben AFFLECK needed to see his own film before this debate lol

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Bro if thry all looked at all religious texts they would be baffled to realize even w the issues, islam is the most progressive and socialist. Ending poverty and education are most needed to put texts in context and help those ppl too

Bill Maher's point completely flew over your head.

The host misquoted Bill Maher.

The original video and TYT’s video exemplify exactly what Harris says about people disingenuously criticizing him and his ‘views’

Why is Ben Affleck getting so angry at Ben Stiller? Why?

Necro-posting here, but... Bill Maher was only disagreeing with Afleck's assertion that it was only a few people who believed bad ideas. Cenk seriously distorted what Bill actually said here.

I think the part that wasn't getting into Affleck's head was that Maher and Harris were saying the majority hold extreme views. What they meant was the majority have oppressive beliefs about women and homosexuals - not that they all are terrorists or jihadists. Harris said himself, there is a small core of jihadists, then a small outer ring of people who believe in what the jihadists do, but take a political route rather than a violent one, and then around that is a large swath of Muslims who hold extreme views when it comes to women and homosexuals. All Affleck was hearing is that an extreme Muslim must mean a violent one, and that is totally not what they were saying. Ben came across as a baby here.

It’s not Islam. It’s extremist who calm themselves Muslims who, choose to rather than understand the Quran and Islam, they choose to sound bite and go off feelings and emotions concerning something they truly have not taken the time ti understand and master. It’s the same with all extremist of any religion or following. Hence cults using whatever ancient book or religion as their base foundation. Peace be unto you all.

Can't believe he was Batman

I really sad of how Islam is talked about, I m muslim. and from I know, Islam is a way of bringing peace to the world. An education of how living in sustainable way, balancing our connection with Allah, human, and nature. it s also the Christian mission right and all thse religions. the problem is when its happened a friction from these all group of population that strict to "you re different with me than you re wrong".Its better to educate the population that there it is the different of human in this world. Mehdi from Morocco

I like the comparison between culture and religion. I personally believe that religion is part of culture not vice versa. You can find different versions of the same religion if different cultures. I also like the fact that you provided solutions like education, rather than banning the religion. I hope to see more videos like this that give us solutions rather than encourage more hatred.

Ask Maher if we can criticise Israel.

Saying that "Islam is the motherload of bad ideas" is just plain bigotry and ignorance. Islam is very different in different parts of the world. Not all Muslims live in Saudi Arabia nor oppress women, for instance. And within Saudi Arabia, not all Muslims agree. And Islam has some very beautiful ideas and have done some amazing things throughout its history. (Very influential in the creation of medicine and chemistry, just as a for instance.) As usual Bill Mawr is ignorant of where he speaks--particularly about religion. What would people say if they had said, "Christianity is the motherload of bad ideas. It is anti-woman, anti LGBTQ, anti-liberal, anti-Semitic and has one of the most brutal histories of ANY religion on earth."