That's not a bad analogy actually.

Very true! Go blue!

A better analogy is, Every car on the highway is speeding, and Michigan was doing it with lights flashing, honking the horn and rocking signs saying f* the police and now everyone is shocked they got pulled over. They deserve the punishment just for how stupid they were about it. But I can't help but notice there aren't a bunch of fans out there pointing out the buckeye or hawkeye etc. staffer that was at the Michigan game taping their sideline. You all seem certain he/she was there, should be fairly easy to spot.

everyone is going 65 and scum is going 120

More like some cars are going 5 over while Michigan is doubling the speed limit 😂.

No. He is wrong as usual especially after Jim accepted his punishment.

@@petersuburban4869 you can still accept a punishment and think its ticky tack. use critical thinking skills please.

Not anywhere close but try again, he just spouts silly old man logic. “Oh the Astros cheated forsure it was serious but my team? Come on, give me a break, that’s not cheating.” Love Bill Burr as a comedian but he is beyond ignorant on a whole lot of issues.

The SEC has won the last 4 National Championships what are you talking about? 😂😂

Kicking whose A?😂 Not Georgia.

​@@jordan12118exactly his point, that's by design by the ncaa...they suck off the sec at every turn

Oh so now it’s the SEC’s fault Michigan got busted cheating lol. At least you’ve moved off it being Ohio State’s fault

@NuRn69 nah, the talent level goes from high school, to D1 football, to the SEC, then the NFL. SEC just more talented and unlike most conferences they play defense.. sadly the Big 10 can only play defense and no offense, SEC can do both very well and is just a more talented conference. When Iowa and Penn State are 2 of your top 5 teams that’s not saying much..

"scandal"

@@OneIssueVoter what are you talking about?

It's a pattern of illegal/unethical behavior, combined with the suspension to start the year. If they weren't winning big, Harbaugh would be on his way out the door. But winning cures everything.

Or it could be that the health inspector is just looking to help you improve your facility, provide a sort of to-do list, and provide a fresh set of eyes to point out some shortcomings that perhaps you’ve become “blind” to during your day to day routine. Maybe they are letting you no of some smaller issues before some bigger ones sneak up on you. I never took the inspectors notes personally. But then again, I can’t speak to your specific health department’s approach. I do see your point you are trying make though

Nothing makes one of these inspectors more frustrated and unhappy is not finding anything wrong.

Perhaps you should've cleaned the dust and used approved floor cleaning chemicals then. It's not complicated. Stop being a dirty, run down bar and improve. Otherwise, go work for someone better than yourself and live paycheck to paycheck like a normal working stiff.

​@@georgesouthwick7000or being lied to

Michigan against the rules.

C. J. Stroud is likely the NFL MVP as a rookie. The fact the UM 'beat' him twice with mediocre players when he had receivers like Marvin Harrison, Garret Wilson is the best evidence that cheating was the reason. How can anyone hold Stroud and Harrison to 3 points in a half unless they cheat? Also, UM got beat by a bad TCU team because they didn't scout them.

​@@neuralbrew2976you act like michigan didn't have an elite defense during those years.

@@neuralbrew2976how did Patrick Mahomes lose to baker in college? Yeah you don’t know ball

Yeah, like the year when michigan had the best defense in the country and they went on The Revenge Tour" LOL Remember goldilocks claiming how nasty the tour was gonna be?

@@neuralbrew2976 as an OSU fan you clearly don’t understand how schematics and matchups work in football.

Bill Burr is right. Harbaugh pissed someone off in the NCAA. And OSU thinks they own the BIG 10 and no one else is allowed to win. It’s going to be epic!!!! Watching Ryan Day’s reaction after they lose again this year. The BIG HOUSE is going to be wild!!!!

Also every big program cheats, including OSU.

Beat Penn state in front of 111K of their own fans, without our coach, and without their signs...... You know who knows we don't need your signs to beat you? 111k Penn state fans, that's who.

Just look at the numbers Harb before Scallions: 68% winning% 0-5 to rival Getting beat by 3-4 scores by rival 2-4 season with no one in the stands in 2020 On verge of losing job Harb since cheating scheme: 96% win% 2-0 vs rival winning by multiple scores Lose to TCU without being able to cheat Contract extension talks Beating Vegas’ spreads at a red-flag rate

Lmfaooo well considering there is a clear line of demarcation of when the stealing started and when Michigan “became” such a power 😂. It’s clear to anyone with a clue what happened… Harbaugh was going to get fired and only kept his job by not playing OSU in 2020 and taking a 50% pay cut. After that season they magically turn the program around and have 2 undefeated seasons… Hmmm that’s very interesting 🤔 and convenient timing. Matt Weis hacks OSU practice footage from 2021 leading to an FBI investigation… Venmo records and receipts show Stallions and other staff members attended 30 some games over 2.5 years in which some games he had tickets to both sidelines. There is video evidence of him on the sideline of a CMU game from this season 😂 The best part about all of this is that you and even Michigan the university itself admitted they broke the rules 😂😂😂… you’re just trying to down play it by saying every one does it or it’s not that big of an advantage. To which I can say well if it’s not that big of an advantage then why did they develop a borderline million dollar operation to do so and broke numerous long standing NCAA rules if it’s not that big of an advantage. And second if everyone does it then how come your university is so dumb that they are the ONLY ones to get caught 😂… also just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you don’t face serious consequences for your illegal actions

So by your logic, it’s ok steal stuff from neighbors’ yards and patios because having barrier fences are against code?

@@SatansShart not the same dude

Yes it is the same. Substitute stealing teams signs illegally for stealing neighbors’ stuff illegally, and substitute allowing fence installation in yards for allowing communication device installation in helmets. Not sure why that’s going over your head

Radio frequency can be intercepted and Bluetooth can be hacked then relayed just as easy, when you have these huge universities with deep pockets to fund the best technology. Bring back the huddle offense.

By your logic, because you have once broken the law, a law everyone breaks regularly, like jay walking, you should go to jail for 6 months

They have guys in disguise on the other team’s sideline? Copium much?

@@CorePathwayyou’re the reason this trial by media crap works

@@Makers745 Not much of a denial, sunshine.

@@CorePathway sunshine? No I’m not bright you’re just dim

​@CorePathway whoa when did that happen?

Then why do it?

@@Quakerman14 so you can clutch your pearls when your soft squad loses by 3+ scores for the third straight year.

@@martinmartins7703 so cheating then. Got ya

Yeah, but if you're not part of the cool guys club, then you get left out of the coaches sharing.... And BTW the coaches can share signs to beat an opponent over and over again. That's worse than just stealing signs to win your own game...

No it’s not worse. It is legal. Why break the rules if they didn’t need to? The cognitive dissonance of the UM fanbase is impressive

Well then why did they send people to so many games, spending the time and resources to do this whole scheme? Your argument just supports the opposing point

You really aren't paying attention

@@SatansShart they didn’t send people to games. Connor stallions payed people in other states to go to the games and record them. It isn’t some huge scheme that harbaugh knew about. The ncaa and big ten haven’t found any proof that any other coaches knew about the extent of Connor stallions sign stealing. Again, the team didn’t send people to the games.

Sending people to film the game from opposing sideline real time is something that goes too far imo. If you can do the "stealing" from your own sideline, that's just good stealing. But filming from other side real time? That's just too far.

@monkeyman9856 Oh ok so they were not “sending” scouts to the games bcuz the scouts didn’t travel from Ann Arbor. That’s rich lol. And Harbaugh had no problem with a low level staffer being attached to both AC’s hips during the playcalling. He never asked “who the F is he? Why is he talking to my ACs while they’re calling plays? How does he know all the signals of all the teams?

This is facts.

Even more ironic is that I can guarantee every other high profile, top 25 team and then some actively do this or have done it within the past 2-3 years. With all this money on the line you think those other top teams are like "Oh my, we would never do that." BS, plain and simple. They are all vying for a competitive edge however they can get it. It doesn't make it any more right or wrong, but you are a fool if you don't think this behavior is widespread.

I agree. @@georgen5882

Cheating isn't "against the rules." Getting caught cheating is against the rules.

If Michigan loses they'll say it's cuz their coach wasn't there.

@@myfistsbleed Sure, but you did not answer the question.

@@terrydizzydude4087 Yeah if OSU loses this year then it would minimize the impact of the cheating scandal and the rivalry would be back. For a while there I was starting to think Michigan was just a basketball school.

@@davidclick5344 Haha, I hope if they win he calls em out on the sign stealing scandal.

​@@myfistsbleedAn OSU win depends on how much Day convinces the commissioner to pay the refs.

some would say that's what great comedy has been the whole time

It’s Michigan and it’s Harbaugh.

There is a rule that they broke. Sign stealing during the game is ok per rule. Easy.

So you just blindly accept any rule that’s been imposed on you no matter what? I think his point was that if that is the rule, it’s a really stupid rule. If they broke it, they should pay some consequence, but let’s figure that out first. And then, more importantly, let’s actually think about whether the rule is a smart one or not

@@TwilightsDreamAngel but you can scout any source of film you can find, its perfectly legal to review the thousands of hours of different angle game film to steal signs in advance. you just cant do it in person, but if some random fan post random slideline footage to youtube its free game....thats what makes it stupid, 50k + fans at every game, you dont think scout teams are using fan footage to steal signs?

the haters can't beat Michigan on the field..this is their best option.

That ONE person was a low level staffer, obviously he shared that information with the folks that call the plays.

@@bluemystic7501 I forgot you where there. You have first hand experience with this issue right? Or you just don’t like Michigan. Cry cry cry! That’s all you have

@@mich9876543 Are you 5 years old?

@@bluemystic7501 ah, so if your cousin robs a bank, and loans you 500$ you should have known that money was from a bank robbery then? You havent watched a single Michigan game have you? If you have you would have seen that the way they adjusted plays was not outside the realm of a normal sign stealing operation, a scout team only deciphers the signals, the coaching staff doesnt use that information until the data proves reliable in game, this is why you see halftime adjustments as the game goes on.

@@coolguy48457 Well Michigan fired Conor and Jim has been suspend, obviously some rules were broken. It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA finds.

Because then how else could coaches steal signs?

They won't because there's a warranty on the helmets. A damn warranty is why they will not get the headsets in helmets 🤦🏾‍♀️🙄

Similar to the petit Mr. Pettiti believing that player safety is a key concern in spy gate?

Hahahahahaha, have you seen the recruiting class rankings? That’s the issue - they are playing above their talent. Wonder why?

@@CorePathway Like the did at Penn state last week??? Oooooooooops!

@@mikeses4392 Penn State hasn’t been Penn State since showering with boys is now frowned upon.

Per Alan Dershowitz book "get Trump" we now have "get Harbaugh".

Of course he has to accept it.. he is the head coach and is responsible for everything including the crap. He doesn’t know that is even taking place. It’s not like he can just not accept it and show up to the next two games..? he already has one down and that went just fine. He’s got to be saying he’s only got two left and that’s it. Get it over with so he’s good for the postseason.

@@bmorg5190 then why the restraining order request AT ALL???? I am so confused by this.

@@Nite2012MareI agree, something happened today that doesn’t make sense

Makes sense to me. This message is quite buried, let's see who reads it. I am going to throw gas on the fire, Buckeyes, light your torches. I got carried away. This was fun. LOL. BTW, I think when Stalions resigned he may have refused to cooperate with the NCAA (if so, likely under legal guidance). Thus, they may not have been able to interview him, but I would think the NCAA would have access to his University owned technology (computers, emails, etc.). I agree that in terms of the overall pro's and con's and what is at risk (post-season games), the decision to "drop the TRO" makes sense. M beat Penn State, demonstrating the Maryland game likely isn't at risk. Although now that the Maryland game is behind M, it is obvious that Michigan, and especially JJ was not sharp in that game - actually not sharp in either game. The JH suspension might be a M motivator for the OSU game. However, I think the team would play better against OSU if Harbaugh was actually in attendance as coach. Especially given the soft offensive performance against Maryland, I suspect that M might under-perform in the OSU game without JH coaching. By way of background, after M's early season self imposed 3 game suspension ended even QB JJ and other players stated in interviews that JH's absence was an issue for them. A HC at a big school runs a staff of at least 200 people. Under NCAA rules, beginning in January 2023, the HC is deemed responsible for anything happening under him. That is a new NCAA rule that does not exist in the Big Ten rule book, which is one of the reasons why Michigan reasonably objected to the Big Ten's original findings levied directly against JH (to levy those findings, the commissioner "lifted" the NCAA rule and incorporated them into Big Ten rules when it had no authority to do so - this was no accident and showed bias, IMO). Here is an analogy I just thought of... If a mural artist is painting a Buckey on a wall in Columbus (LOL), but instead of buying approved buckeye paint colors from reputable sources, they steal some of the paint from somewhere else - a) some of the paint is improperly sourced and b) some of the colors have a bit more "pop" than the branded approved colors. Like work done in the past, the finished product is amazing and consistent with the painter's skills, training, reputation, etc. The painter is happy because they might get more big jobs as a result of how good the mural looks. The manager of the manager of the manager that hired the painter is happy with how the mural looks. Is the manager of the manager of the manager that hired the painter liable for the paint theft / paint color rule breaking? Under NCAA rules beginning this year the answer is "Yes". Under Big Ten rules the answer is "No". I agree that a low level employee whose responsibilities actually include reviewing film as well as watching the opponents sidelines to decipher signals, could potentially exceed their authority in terms of advance scouting and the HC very well would not know. Hopefully most folks are aware by now that every big team has such an employee, as well as many volunteers engaged in that activity. In this case, apparently the employee's lifelong goal is to have the HC's job. If the employee cuts corners to "look good" it is reasonable to conclude that the employee is not going to say, hey, I used questionable sources to verify some of my deductions. Or, (if this is the case) it is reasonable to conclude that the employee is not going to disclose that "of the multiple sources I used for film clips I put on the shared server, one of them is from a questionable source..." It would also be reasonable to find that the employee wants to look as capable as possible and isn't going to divulge sources that might not reflect well on them. Most of us who worked in large corporate environments or smaller operations know folks just like that. Of course, after due process, the NCAA might find that JH was involved and / or knew of the scheme. However, THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW YET. Technically, as written in the Big Ten rules, it is very questionable whether or not the Big Ten has the authority to levy a penalty against JH at this point due to several impediments in its own bylaws. Big Ten authority is a longer discussion, but anyone that wants to actually be informed can probably download the NCAA rules and Big Ten rules, then listen to Rick Hoeg of Hoeg law for a legal de-construction of what the words in the rule mean. The head of an administrative organization can often act somewhat unilaterally without due process, but in the Big Ten bylaws there are written guidelines limiting what the commissioner can do once the NCAA has initiated an investigation.... The NCAA does seem to be "out to get Harbaugh" so IMO it will likely take some liberties in how it approaches this. Dropping the TRO in exchange for an understanding with the Big Ten that it will stand down (honoring its own bylaws henceforth), seems like a good trade that most likely clears a path through the CFP. Dropping the TRO does not necessarily suggest liability especially when balancing the decision against the risk of random (unexpected) judicial rulings, PR, and operating under what appears to be a biased administrative process in exchange for reducing team distractions and a potential clear path to the CFP. For fun, I'm going to throw some napalm on the fire: There is also the "little detail" that Big Ten rules, as actually written, do not actually prohibit in person same seasons scouting of "opponents" if the person scouting is not an employee. It can also easily be argued that non-employees can film games in person from their stadium seats with their personal devices. Who is stopping you, or me, from doing so? It is also obvious that fans, boosters or whoever, can and do communicate with a football program and offer their insights. All of that is obvious; or should be. Especially if none of these scouting activities are funded by the University it can easily be argued that the University did not engage in the activity that the independent 3rd parties participated in. Note that thus far a FOIA request shows that CS did not submit expense reports for reimbursement of advance scouting activities. If CS did not engage in [or fund with University money] direct "in person same season scouting of opponents" then the debate is the connection between the non-employee and the entity that is governed by the rule book. An argument can be made that under that scenario, it is not a prohibited activity. The rule book does not prohibit a non-employee 3rd party from filming a game....meaning you and me or anyone else.....and by extension then the rule book cannot prohibit a non-employee 3rd party from offering insights or findings from that 3rd party's game attendance to other teams. Sorry, haters, it just doesn't. It might seem "wrong" to do so. And maybe it should be, but it does not appear to be a rule violation. In fact, I would bet dollars to donut holes that Alabama, Georgia, OSU, etc., have received credible insight from fans, graduates, boosters engaging in "same season in-season scouting". I'll even bet that those schools have provided insights gained from "in-person same season advance scouting" to the "opponents of their opponents" with the objective of improving their own standing. The only "surprise" would be if those teams and others had NOT received credible insights from advance in season scouting of the respective team's future opponents. Note: some of these "independent 3rd party" boosters might be prior players, including QB's, prior coaches. I'm looking at you Urban Meyer.... With a logical and dare I say "open minded" assessment, it is possible that now we are potentially just debating the "degree" of the activity and responding to the volume of the PR uproar. And yes, it does matter if "everybody is doing it" because the rule book doesn't say that some teams can do "it" a little while some teams cannot do "it" more. Pile on. LOL. @@bmorg5190

Right on. It's all meaningless entertainment. People make way too big of a deal about this stuff. These sports are filled with arbitrary rules.

No, that never took place.

Spoken like a true hater

What planet are you from. Every team is looking for the edge. Michigan did it and got caught. End of story

I agree.

They stole that game from the raiders

Sending scouts to games as opposed to watching game film? The NCAA has a lot of stupid rules. This is proof

I agree. And this wasn’t cheating.

Lets call all spades spades then, not just the spades you lose to. And lets not pretend a 2 of Spades is the same as the King of spades. The problem I have with this whole ordeal is the know nothing internet experts that just declare that this level 2 violation is the worst scandal in CFB history, and 3 seasons of wins should be vacated, and THEY KNEW EVERY SINGLE PLAY in advance yada yada yada...its all a bunch of crap.

Yeah man, his amount of homerism is disappointing, but at least it’s not as bad as Des Howard. I used to have some respect for Des (to the chagrin of many of my fellow OSU fellow fans) but the past couple yrs he’s become unbearable. No attempt at hiding is bias even slightly. I suspect with Eisen it’s either bcuz he doesn’t want to hafta eat crow for all his smack these past couple of cheat seasons, or perhaps he wants to keep his show a UM safe space

@SatansShart Howard is the worst. Lol, I feel bad for him. As I'm sending you this reply Jay Harbaugh has been linked to the money trail and an LB coach just got fired. I'm sure Rich or Desmond will deflect but the gig is up already.

Agree that there appears to be a legal argument in favor of what you say. This is definitely NOT a major crime. It appears to be a gray area, by a renegade, done without the knowledge or support of leadership. On a related note, the Big Ten appears to be over stepping its authority in an attempt to "Get Harbaugh". If folks would familiarize themselves with the actual details and try to set aside partisan hatred that might help. But haters gonna hate.

If it had been OSU who was exposed for cheating instead of UM, would you still be grasping at straws to defend their actions in the same way and still with too many exclamation points?

I think you need to check your statement, Michigan never fired Connor to begin with. Resigning is not being fired, there's a difference from voluntary and being forced out. And if you cheated in your company would you just come right out and say yeah I did it, know you wouldn't so don't sit there and think you're the bigger guy.

Illegal for an employee to in person scout....if it is not an employee than they are by definition not scouting an "opponent". Perhaps that is a gray area, but grayness matters.

Not true at all. Other coaches and team analysts are slinging out opponents signs to eachother every Sunday and are pretty open about it.

Lol or he actually knows the game, cause he’s a fan, and knows how little signs matter

So, where in Ohio are you from Brandon? 🤫

If signs matter so little, why go to such great lengths to obtain them illegally? Why try to decipher them? Why disguise your own from from opponents? Why change them up multiple times throughout the season? Why implement electronic communication in helmets? C’mon man

Bill Burr also defended Fauci. He defended him and then added "I don't know anything, I just turn the TV on every couple weeks and do whatever Fauci says". He's been reprehensible ever since.

Harbaugh was suspended for games early this season for lying to the NCAA, and now he's suspended for 3 more games for cheating, but won't tell it to a judge - because that would be lying. It's not a laughing matter. It's time he moves on down the road. . .

What is to loose is "Michigan is not fighting it on Friday". Michigan was hoping that the judge would be convinced to intervene in a private dispute. That is always a crap shoot. I remember professor Dershowitz (famous Harvard law professor and attorney) saying, he won cases he thought he would loose and lost cases he should have won. At this point, Michigan might have felt it was better off taking 3 games NOW than gambling against other outcomes later. This is because they already. beat Penn State, they are confident in beating Maryland, so only the OSU game is at risk. And Moore has proven himself. And Harbaugh will only be missing for 3.5 hours on game day.

@@jimrice4699 but the suspension wasn’t going to be worse if they lost on Friday…there’s another reason…a big reason.

The judge assigned to the case was a Michigan graduate who then graduated from the Michigan Law School, where he is a lecturer. Oh, and he was a Michigan football player. They dropped the case despite having all of that going for them. That is a pretty clear indication of just how afraid of the case going to trial that they really are. They know exactly what they have done.

@@georged8644 that’s the “big reason” right there.

Dude, every major college football program is tainted. And so is everything else. Not that it's right morally, but cheating is the way of the world. What do you think corporations are doing every chance they get? They bend and break the rules/laws all the time. It's just about not getting caught or being held responsible. Our government leaders also do it, and they are the ones who make the laws! Burr is right. Michigan got caught in this case, but it doesn't mean they are the only ones cheating. Anyone who has been alive for a while knows that our entire society is filled with bad behavior and corruption.

Because the big 10 is a private corporation, they have their own rules. The courts don't have much to say about their policies.

Well said.@@josephallen8044

Every team in the NFL did that.

Exactly, it’s about advanced scouting AND electronically recording opponents which is against the rules

@@SatansShartwhich was done to steal signs

I love that people are screaming that a level 2 rules violation is deserving of 3 seasons of vacated wins a post season ban and staff firings.

@@SatansShartexactly, which is something we have seen 0 evidence of…which is why Michigan has been asking for due process this whole time

When done by a Michigan employee. Sure, it would seem to be inconsistent with the intent of rules for a third party to do it, but it also does not seem to be outlawed. Remember, that rule is only in place for economic reasons. Everyone works hard to steal signs all the time. As an analogy, it is as if speeding is okay as long as it is done with a sports car, not a truck. Even the NCAA's own internal working group concluded that there is minimal benefit to "in person advance scouting (in view of the prevalence of publicly available film)" and the group recommended elimination of that rule. I am not saying that Connor Stalions absolutely did not break a rule. He may have. But at this point it should be obvious that no great advantage was conferred if a rule was deemed broken. @@SatansShart

It ain't cheating. This was total BS

Of course someone with sense has a sensible take -- fixed it for u

Love the fake outrage, keep it up

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