BONDING PLASTIC and COPPER PIPEWORK in ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS

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2 роки тому

Do we need to bond copper pipes if the incoming water supply is in plastic pipes?
There is often some confusion about what to do; and in this video we will look at several scenarios to help you to better understand what should be bonded and what does not need to be bonded.
What you will learn, the understanding, will help you in your everyday work. It will enable you to compare the work that you are doing to the information in this video.
And once learnt, these concepts are very easily remembered and will become another important asset to your mental toolbox.
This video is No.95 on our UKposts channel where we have videos on a wide range of electrical topics.
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Always work safely, electricity can be dangerous. If you are unsure, stop and seek advice.
This video is provided for guidance only. Every electrical situation is different, please check and ensure that you are applying this learning information to your own individual circumstances correctly and safely. If in doubt, stop and seek competent advice.

КОМЕНТАРІ: 44
@garyplant487
@garyplant487 2 роки тому
Fantastic refresher Dave, a lot can be forgoten over time. Well done!
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
You're very welcome Gary. Thanks for your support. Dave.
@watsonbrown9542
@watsonbrown9542 2 роки тому
Love your channel, sometimes overtime we can forget stuff so to come on here and refresh is Brilliant..Wish you were around years ago..!!
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks Watson. Brilliant feedback, really appreciated. Dave.
@paulhayles6947
@paulhayles6947 2 роки тому
Brilliant Dave.
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks Paul, great comment. Dave.
@mohammadtahir5357
@mohammadtahir5357 2 роки тому
You are just making it easy...
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
It is easy Mohammed and if I can make it easy for you then that is mission accomplished.
@Chris-uu6dg
@Chris-uu6dg 2 роки тому
Hi Dave, your videos are an amazing resource to anyone like myself learning thank you so much. I am amazed your subscriber numbers are not much higher, I guess quite a lot of people don't know about your channel yet so I will be spreading the word around as much as possible. One question please, in your example of the outside tap at 3.30 if someone touches the tap to turn it on doesn't the person then become a path to earth? So shouldn't the pipe still be bonded? Many thanks Chris.
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks for the feedback Chris, yes please spread the word. Bonding. How does a fault get to the tap. If its fed by plastic pipe then its not connected to any potential danger. Are you going to bond every metal screw on every pipe clip that holds the water pipe to the wall. It's the same thing. Hope this helps. Dave.
@Chris-uu6dg
@Chris-uu6dg 2 роки тому
@@learnelectrics4402 Many thanks.
@currentsolutions8467
@currentsolutions8467 2 роки тому
Hi David, will you be doing videos on fault finding. Like the rcd tripping fault finding and repair. Thanks
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Yes, it is planned. Lots of requests for that recently so I need to get a move on. Glad you are enjoying the videos, thanks for watching. Dave.
@mikeenglish1492
@mikeenglish1492 2 роки тому
Dave, what if through various methods such as a gas boiler (cpc from spur), shower (cpc) introduce an earth to the water service through the cpc of the electrical system and where there is no rcd protection should the main water service pipe then be bonded?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
If there is no RCD device then supplementary bonding would normally be a requirement for any metallic pipework that had a route to earth. We have a video planned for this fairly soon. Thanks. Dave.
@kingofthetrowel1725
@kingofthetrowel1725 2 роки тому
Nice one dave 👍 I’ve looked under the sink in kitchen where there is the water bond connection but noticed after the connection strap there’s about an inch of copper then it goes back to plastic fittings and pipe for abit then back to a small amount of copper for taps , surely there should be a link from the bond connection to where there is abit of copper for taps or would it not make a difference 🤔 pretty certain it’s all copper right back to “earth” where the water bond is connected , cheers dave 👍👍
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
The sink is not considered as needing bonding. If the taps are plastic at the sink, no need.
@kingofthetrowel1725
@kingofthetrowel1725 2 роки тому
@@learnelectrics4402 cheers dave 👍 from what I can see the tap is just on them braided hose connectors and then copper
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks. Dave.
@no_short_circuit
@no_short_circuit 2 роки тому
Thanks for the video. As an adult learner I struggle with the theory of Main Bonding and Equipotential Bonding. At 4.29 you say "we must bond both sections of it". Does that mean a separate 10mm earth bond for each leg of the visible copper back to the board?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
There will be times when you cannot trace the route, you don't know where it goes to earth etc. So you may end up bonding both halves but it can be done with one piece of 10mm if it reaches, if they are close. Just be aware of what happens if one of the pipes is removed, you are trying to avoid being left with a piece of copper that goes to earth with no bonding. that's all. Thanks for watching, we'll get you there. Dave.
@no_short_circuit
@no_short_circuit 2 роки тому
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks for taking the time to reply, appreciate that
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
No problem, thanks for asking. Most times you won't need to put a second bond wire on, just where you have no idea where it has gone - and it happens. Thanks for your support.
@stevenhopkins2925
@stevenhopkins2925 2 роки тому
With the pipes that disappear, why not do a long lead insulation resistance test? anything less than 22kOhms won't need bonding assuming a safe fault current of 10mA.
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks for watching Steven. This and some other measurement techniques are part of another video. We would want the resistance reading to increase in order to reduce the fault current to10mA or lower if possible. Great comment. Dave.
@Flat-Five
@Flat-Five 10 місяців тому
Just trying to get my head around this subject (not an electrician) and have a question. If it's metal pipes touching the earth that can cause a problem and need bonding, then do metal pipes touching brickwork not cause the same problem? The bricks are clay and are also in contact with the earth so are they not in effect kind of like a raised piece of the ground touching the pipes?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 10 місяців тому
Good question. Its all to do with resistance. The bricks have a higher resistance than copper,. Think of ceramic floor tiles, you don't bond them. High resistance means lower shock currents. take a look at this video and the examples, it will help. Its great that you're learning, lots more on the LearnElectrics channel and at LearnElectrics.com. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/ipWpraJpjW5jmps.html
@marke8732
@marke8732 Рік тому
Hi. Thx for videos. Can you confirm something for me? My house has plastic water to stopcock but mainly metal throughout. It may be earthed by way of boiler cpc which I guess is connected to all copper pipes throughout via brass mono taps, certainly boiler, hot water, ch pipes and bathroom radiator will be connected cold mat not be. House is PME and currently 10mm bond is in place. However in 18th I don’t have to bond as plastic incomer. I appreciate bonding is different than earthing but if the cold water pipe doesn’t have connection to heating and hot water pipes say because plastic tap connectors are used, a cable fault in service duct could make pipe live. When I touch outside tap (cold water) I would then make the circuit for rcd to trip. In this scenario if the main bonding connector was there it would be acting as an earth for the cable fault and rcd would trip at time fault occurred. Wouldn’t it be prudent to earth ( or is it. bond?) all long metal pipes that could become live at some point by cable faults, say in service ducts. I appreciate this is highly unlikely scenario but just wondered what your thoughts were. In this scenario cold water pipes are lumps of metal, not extraneous conductive or exposed conductive parts
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 Рік тому
An interesting and enlightening point Mark. Thanks for the input, appreciated.
@rb8049
@rb8049 2 роки тому
You bond for static electricity including lightning. I would bond at house point of entry with a 6” piece of copper pipe. This will assure lightning won’t enter on the water lines. Any analysis available for or against for lightning reasonings?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thanks for watching, appreciated.
@onefortheroad1683
@onefortheroad1683 Рік тому
Iv heard that metal frames on patio doors should be bonded. Is that a myrh?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 Рік тому
The questions to be answered are will the metal frame introduce a dangerous potential, are any cables passing through the frame likely to be damaged or crushed or snagged in the doorway, is there any electrical equipment actually mounted onto the frame. Then consider this, if it was a wooden frame or door, would you bond the metal door lock or a metal fire escape bolt. You have to consider each situation on its own merits and individual circumstances. Hope this helps. Dave.
@user-yw6qb9tt7t
@user-yw6qb9tt7t 2 роки тому
Become earthy versus bathroom mirror. Even i can remember that. Thanks. 😊
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
My pleasure. I'm full of little sayings that help us to remember, I'm so glad that you found it useful and thanks for watching, really appreciated. Dave.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 Місяць тому
my house has the incoming water in plastic to the main stop tap then the house is in 15 mm copper? are you saying it doesnt need a 10mm main bond then
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 Місяць тому
The copper will need bonding unless you can see the whole route of the 15mm copper and you have resistance tested it back to the MET to prove it is not an extraneous conductive part. If it disappears from view, it may need bonding as you don't know if goes into soil, etc.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 Місяць тому
@@learnelectrics4402 yes you can see it the pipe comes in plastic into the stop and then leaves incopper up to the boiler then up the wall to feed the heating system etc
@mohammadtahir5357
@mohammadtahir5357 2 роки тому
I've a recommended my colleagues...
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Thank you Mohammed, I really appreciate that. Dave.
@philipwardle6820
@philipwardle6820 2 роки тому
It isn't clear to me whether current regulations should be interpreted as "it is optional to bond copper pipes if the incoming water supply is in plastic pipes" OR "you MUST NOT bond copper pipes if the incoming water supply is in plastic pipes". What do others think please?
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Good question Philip.
@Benzknees
@Benzknees 2 роки тому
If earth bonding is so important now, why was it not done years ago? The science of equipotential is hardly anything new. My 60yr old house has no bonding atall to any of the all metal pipework inc the lead incoming main & gas supply line to the boiler (installed in 1970s).
@learnelectrics4402
@learnelectrics4402 2 роки тому
Ideas and methods change. Its an evolving science. Dave.
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