Game Producer 2024 pattern : « It will be the greatest game ever » « It’s not finished yet, buy it to support us it will be amazing » « I’m sorry it’s not what you expected, we knew it since beginning » « If you are really angry i can make an effort (maybe) » Sound like dating a 20yo girl

I find it funny they are promising 39.99 in future DLC when they proved that the beach's DLC wasn't even worth 10$. Same thing is going to happen in a few months....

I was so hyped for this game, but I've been burned so often by botched money grabs that I waited to see how it was received. I'm quite glad I waited and will continue to wait until they fix their game in a way that is actually useable. At this point, its looking like maybe early 2026. lol

This ALL could of been avoided if they only just listened and worked with the community like they did with City Skylines 1, if they was absolutely honest with the Beta and dev-build players and laid out the issues, the community could and would of helped them with it. People are just SOO over with publishers time and again trying to build gated ecosystems, they wanted to control every aspect of CS2 with the modding scene and launcher and they felt that because they have a monopoly on the city building genre, they could get away with anything , the short-sighted greed is so infuriating.

I bought the Ultimate Edition. I appreciate that they tried to include us in this. My biggest problem is that I’m concerned what these Creator Packs will include. I bought the Ultimate specifically to have Beaches. Now I have a free beach pack and still no beaches. I’ve pretty much given up. I doubt I’ll jump back in until 2025 at the earliest. Thank you for these videos. I believe you're touching on all of this very well and I watch every video.

When I see assets, realistic pavement textures, tuneable settings for clipping & snapping, and the ability to make Cims not look like nightmare fuel, I'll be happy to give it another go. Too much of the game experience is not adjustable, and that makes it more an exercise in frustration than a game I want to play.

The issue is not that they are sorry and want to fix things. But Daddy Paradox has been known to brutally kill games that did not preform. Lamplighter was written off in like 30 days from launch, Star Trek.... well dead..., Imperator was finally fixed to a state that was not embarrassing and they nuked it before it could really hit its stride. How long will Paradox let this go on. I do not see recovery here. I also think this is a Sim City 2013 level disaster you know the one that killed a huge IP caused Maxis to loose what little autonomy it had and killed city builders till well... City Skylines came out... haha...

I suspect the problem lies with Paradox and the monetization or profit frenzy overriding sound judgment in delivering a great product that people enjoy and then the profit will follow. See comments by Larian at a couple of award ceremonies. See practices by Paradox in so many games.

What I've heard is that they consider their 3 dlcs and radios worth the same as Helldivers 2. How arrogant and disconnected with reality can these people be?

Still playing the aclaimed Cities Skylines, (1st one) and still liking it.

Can't take the 'We're Sorry' thing seriously. Just reminds me of the SouthPark parody of it.

They made, and continue to make all the right noises but the problem is it’s a gaming company not a PR firm. People want a game that works, or at least a company primarily focused on fixing it. Delaying the DLC is a good move, but honestly it feels like they should be focusing on having a game before porting it to console

I've been trying to sound thr alarm on this game since release. Got permanently banned. And refund denied.

The saddest part of it all is this: Bridges and Ports? Wait until 2025? My Collossal dudes, the modding community will have it in the game ready to go all for free in under a month if you give them the tools. Step. Up. Your. Production. Find those modders and maybe employ them. Pay them. Treat them with a trip to your offices and a stay in a 5 star hotel, let them work on your expansions EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME for the next 6 months, and 6 months from today your entire game will be ready for release!

As a premium edition owner, I'll live with my mistake and will absolutely NEVER preorder or even purchase a premium edition of any game at all moving forward. The state of the videogame industry as a whole is such a disgrace and just scammy all around. I appreciate that the team admitted to their mistakes and are offering to fix the issues, but I honestly don't care. I'm not about to sit here and wait for a game that was released two years early to become better. I'll just cut my losses and move on.

We are beyond the point where an apology could have made a difference. Actions speak louder than words. They released a broken game in its beta stage without mod support. They advertised a deep simulation but most of it can't be influenced by anything the player does. And they promised not to sell DLCs until performance issues were fixed, but did it anyway. I don't trust anything they say anymore. A couple of radio stations I'm never going to listen to and content packs that will be released two to three years from now just won't cut it.

I have a whopping 10hrs in CS2... i just want a refund for the base game because this shit was the biggest scam in paradox history, but all im hearing are excuses

I like consistency. They were truly sorry and promising to move forward last autumn as well.

When they talk about the “value” of the compensation they are giving to the players, it tells us how out of touch and overpriced their future dlc will be.

DLC for unfinished games is a slap in the face. I’m tired of these companies dishing out minimal viable products. Then apologizing afterwards like they didn’t just screw over thousands of people. It’s getting real old. But thanks for the radios stations that probably should just have shipped in the base game. So nice of you. We need to stop accepting garbage. Until then we will continue to be pedaled garbage.

The fact that the deputy Paradox CEO, Mattias, and not Fred has signed this with Mariina is potentially significant. I imagine there has a been a lot of blood on the carpet, and possibly the walls as well, at Paradox over this debacle. I suspect Mariina has had a lot to say, probably emphasised down the barrel of an AK47, to Fred etc behind the scenes and has now put her foot down over some of the practices and schedules imposed on her thus far. Seeing as Skylines is Paradox's best selling single game by far Mariina may have a lot more clout than might be apparent from the outside. That Mattias has signed this with may be indicative of significant changes at Paradox to come driven by this pair, what with Fred still reeling from Lamplighters, Bloodlines and this Skylines disaster. Maybe they will be looking at Sven and his team over at Larian picking up award after award for BG3 and thinking "Yeah, that's how you do it". Look after your game, look after your team, look after your players and the money will look after itself is the simple message. I'd say this is a case of watch this space with a smidge of hope.

What a clusterf*ck. I think Paradox is in the death spiral. I have been with them for 20 years but I think they have got the last of my $.

I really think the best case scenario for Cities 2 would be for Colossal Order to part ways with Paradox Interactive, get back into the indie game dev status, and put the game back into early access stage, can't see a better way to fix this game and put it on the right path

CO dreamt big. Too big. They set out to include all the things they were not able to do in CS. And could not deliver. But as they worked on their dream, falling farther and farther behind, they ignored all the changes and additions being made by their community of CS builders in Steam Workshop. Our downloads should have told CO what we wanted to see but they were ignored. So we have a product that meets neither their dream nor ours. How deep is the rot? I think it goes to the fundamental structure or foundation of the game. We're not talking candles on the cake or even the icing, but the very cake itself. How do you go back, remix, and rebake it? If those actions are going to break mods, maps, and assets/props every time you release them, do you hold those editors back or do you hope that those users will happily keep correcting their creations. To be successful, CS2 must have those creations as CS did. But will we?

I feel like CO are just saying these things now. They’ve said sorry in the past and nothing has changed. Mods didn’t work at launch and they said they’d learn. I really think it’s just PR talk now. All they needed to do was make CS1 with the best mods added in

As a ultimate edition Owner... Get fucked lmao, I don't care about packs im going to be getting in 4 years. I have nothing to show for my extra money spent, and probably won't have anything of substance in another year

It's too late to say sorry. If you wanted to make the best city builder, you shouldn't have punted it out the door half baked.

I'm sorry to say this but I feel like they're apology fell on deaf ears the community has pretty much parted ways with colossal order my personal opinion is I don't believe they'll ever be able to redeem themselves report stockholder value over their customers so therefore let your stockholders play your games I let us customers move on. Once again I apologize for this but as I said before it appears the community has moved on and parted ways they have lost a lot of loyal players. 😔

no mercy to greedy captilism, I prefer it to suffer from all the dlcs sins.

The CEO from Colossal Order and devs in videos and streams always seemed stubborn snobs that thought they knew best what we wanted without listening to anything we (and eventually) content creators said. We were toxic and told 'if you don't like our game, it may not be for you'. I am delighted to see Colossal Order has to bend the knee to Paradox now, now they see that their golden franchise will go up in flames if they continue like this. The communication was totally different and they are now finally taking full ownership of the franchise instead of letting CEO Mariina run wild. Most of the issues like the longstanding flickering AA issues since launch, terrible performance bugs, no modern technologies like DLSS and FRS3 and countless simulation bugs still not fixed it is clearly they lack skilled developers to fix the basics. They had a delay of 3 years and an extra 6 months now and the product is still a technological abomination.

Three more radio stations in lieu of a refund! That really floats my boat! Lmfao

with manor lords and kingdom come deliverance 2 this year, I just simply won't have time for CS2 at all this year now. I was going to balance some time between ML and CS2 but with KCD2 announced yesterday and looking so good already, thats me sorted for the year.

Thanks for the update!! Great as always

I completely gave up on this game about 2 months ago. Their responses and handling of the situation were so bad that I lost all faith in them actually righting the ship. This gives me some hope now that some sense has come to them. I will be cautisouly optimistic now, because this is a step in the right direction for a change. But they will not get any money from me until they actually fix this. I was so hyped for the game, but after years of being burnt, I have learnt that one does NOT pre-order a game any more. Sadly this statement held true and means I was not burnt by this

Hi i have watch nearly all of your news vidoes as a console player these videos have led me through launch Giving me the the the console news (that you can find) i would like to thank you for being the voice that passed the news and the words of the week thank you

How am I supposed to take an apology seriously after they spent half a year making up excuses for their shortcomings instead of simply going "sorry we fucked up".

Paradox is done for me...good luck trying to sell EUV...this is years of disastrous releases and DLCs

Right, but all anyone needs to do is to look at the original Cities Skyline to see how CS2 will unfold: The original had 44 Content Creator Packs and radio stations, as well as 17 DLC. So over 60 items to buy ranging in price from $4 for a radio station, $6 to $8 for CC Pack, to $13 to $30 for some DLCs. And what were some of these DLC - some exotic stuff, like mass transit and airports. Colossal Order look at this game as a cash cow to sell DLC, rather than a game to make better, and their shamelessness isn't going away just because the player slapped back.

I just want them to admit that the game is not salvageable, like we know it is. The game is fundamentally broken it would require starting from scratch something they can't afford. All they had to do was postpone the release for another year

For me, I will not buy any apology statement unless they will make any drastic changes in recent times. If not, then they made this just to stop people from hating them and save their name.

That’s not how consumer protection legislation works. They’re in breach of contract over the Ultimate Edition, and bunging in free radio stations doesn’t change that.

Cities Skyline 1 was an absolute masterpiece destroying the competitor Sim City which is very untouchable at the time. but they take a 'greedy' path and making a huge blunder in Cities Skyline 2, i feel very bad, I'm still enjoying the 1st version of the game until now and don't wanna touch that buggy game.

Workers and resources soviet republic is by far a better city builder and citizen management game and has an amazing modding community behind it. I would honestly suggest trying it out if you want a city builder that feels close to finished and filled with content

I just wish more games would do what Larian does and give us a full game. You know, without intentionally omitting things they obviously had sitting on the shelf just to seek piecemeal later on. DLC’s CAN be great when done properly and are clearly made after the game was produced as additional add ons the developers feel add to the game. But in today’s awful gaming landscape I’m not surprised this has become the new norm…

They've obviously seen what one guy can push out with Manor Lords while their glorified city painter gets panned and is well into its death spiral. Too late I'm afraid.

This is the sort of humility and honesty they should have had on day one (given they shouldn’t have released it in the first place). Whoever has taken over messaging and outreach there is starting the long process of regaining our trust. Hopefully it isn’t just lip service. We shall see.

it's a first good step, they will need a steady pacing of them to regain reputation, but it needed to be done. No Man's sky too did that, and suceeded. And by and large the number of company admitting their screw up and trying to make things right is higher than the number of companies NOT admitting their screw up and making things right. So I really hope the team will endeavour itself to make a great game : probably with the players and against the Paradox management team's "better judgement", or at least try with the comitee of players acting as de facto witnesses of their efforts. Smart move that comitee.

As someone who loves CS1 and was very curious about CS2, I'm glad I helpd onto my money. Oh boy, am I glad... I'll buy it when its all fixed and polished up, though.

I stopped playing back in January have they fixed the postal sorting office yet?

Would love to know the name of the song/instrumental you use for the "My Thoughts" section of the video

I refunded the game in

I played 300 hours between October release and Dec 31st. (I REALLY tried to like it and give it a fair shake) I have played ZERO hours since the New Year and I don't plan on playing before the bugs are fixed and the simulation works properly.

creator packs=packs teh company didn't do any work on and therefore probably shouldn't even get compensated for?

A good change of pace from them. Hopefully they can pull this all together. Maybe you'll get on the council mate!

CS players have a lot to learn. Paradox loves dlc. Their games have a high pirate rate for a reason

It is actually insane how incompetent they are, like what are they even thinking with delaying everything every single week

I can't imagine what a disaster it must be to work in CO.

I'm sitting here eating chicken nuggies and watching my favorite CS2 hater bring me good news for once. What a night

I'm cool waiting for DLC provided they nail the core experience here and expand the mod toolkit and portal; there's actually loads of unrealised potential currently with the base game and just improving and polishing it up will yield heaps of fun and engagement while we wait, no question.

The fall of CO and Pdox is so sad to see, I once adored both companies, but man, they are only a mere shadow of their former selves now.

Sir thank you for doing this video and keeping us up-to-date and reading what they have written to us. But to be honest here sir, I take what they say with a grain of salt since the refund they are offering is nothing short than a joke and an insult to many players. Furthermore, they also claim that they are learning from their mistakes when in fact I feel like that is just empty words used in a tiny short paragraphs while at the same time proving to me and hopefully others they have learned nothing. To further go on they say they're gonna try to be more transparent to us and I take that also with a grain of salt and I don't believe them. I am basing that on the size of the paragraphs yet again which were tiny short simple responses and if they were going to be transparent they could've explained a lot more in detail what exactly happened and how it happened and spent at least a page or two of an apology toward us. When in fact they did none of that and they are just trying to hope and pray that we are so stupid that we will forgive them. I say don't forgive them and send them a clear message that this is not good enough and tell them that they need to do a lot better before we even spend one single moment excepting this so-called cheap apology. Sorry if I feel angry here in what I have written but frankly I have every right to be angry since I spent US$100 on this game hoping to get something decent and all I got was pure garbage. In fact, also this publisher and developer still have a ton of repair that they have to do before they even think for one minute that I will accept any from them as showing that they have learned something and I hope everyone else will consider what I have said here and hopefully might agree with me.

At least CO is speaking truth to the situation. That has kept this game on my radar. And I will be firing it up some time in the future in the summer when I have some more time on my hands. And a thank you to you JumboPixel for continuing to make update video's on Cities: Skylines 2.

Many also gotta realize that Colossal Order is working on the deadlines that is set by its publisher Paradox Interactive. I'm pretty confident that if CO had it their way, that Cities 2 would not have been released when it did. Not only that, but the development cycle is also determined by what Paradox expects them to reach to meet quarterly earnings. I am not going to refund Cities 2 on the principle that CO is working their best given the circumstances they are put under. But I will still wait for the game to be more stable and hope for it to get more comparable to Cities 1...but I doubt it will honestly be comparable given the stark differences between the functionality of certain mechanics in both.

Getting a big Unity game to console has proven to be problematic, and that is partially Unity's fault.

I got the base version of the game, the DLC from cities one varied on pointless to game changing and I didn't think there would be anything game changing right after release. I don't dislike the game and I still want it to succeed, somewhere decisions were not made for the best interest of reputation, and hopefully this is the changing point.

Compensation of 3 free content packs? So its 12 palm trees total?

I think my biggest problem with the new beach properties dlc was that they made it an entirely new zone instead of making it an optional zone for low residential. When they begin adding more and more assets, is the list of zones just gonna be a long list? I hope they make it different like a drop down menu or what they had before in Cities skylines 1 where you'd adjust the appearance/asset via the district tool.

I have confidence that all will be fixed.

These people at Colossal Order keep disappointing us. The game is getting worse and worse. I have lost all faith, respect and trust on them.

They specifically stated "Release Candidate" for the console, that means they haven't even submitted ANYTHING to Sony or Microsoft Standards to evaluate, which those subs ALWAYS have a chance of being kicked back with must fix notes.

One of the smarter things I ever did on accident was to buy the first Cities Skylines after it had already been out for years, so most of the DLC was available, and could be bought on Steam sale, the bugs and such had already been worked out, and the game was actually ready, with step one for me being Traffic Manager President's Edition mod, and MoveIt, I had the pick of all the good mods. So I had a great time with CS1. Well, I'm not going to mess things up by trying to buy this now. Call me in another year when it's mostly done. Ish.

Given both you and I are from New Zealand there Jumbo you think if CO was an NZ or Australian firm they would have fallen foul of our Fair-Trading Act, and Consumer Guarantees Act for misrepresentation and pretty much knowingly selling a subpar product? To me they would and that presents the question why now. I have no time for the bigger YTers still shilling CS2 with apologism but for me, I am still playing CS2 (and 1) as the basics are there and the game has stabilised out, but for future content and that, proof is in the pudding which right now is on the floor bowl shattered, and my house panther cat eating it

I was afraid that they had made amends and that it wouldn't be in good form anymore to keep ragging on the developers and the game. I was wrong!

I don't want radios or asset packs. Of course they should fix the many standing issues first (performance and simulation). But as compensation as an owner of the ultimate edition, I want a real DLC! I don't see that the game will reach a playable and fun state in the next 6 months. Just for that I want a real compensation. Like a Ski-Themed DLC: cable car, ski slope (not as a building), avalanches, winter/Christmas market, ... Like a Netherlands DLC: dutch infrastructure optics (e.g. black&white striped traffic lights), bike paths, street designer (some tool where I can easily create a road type how I want it e.g.: car lane - bike lane - bus lane bus lane - bike lane - car lane - trees - sidewalk), ... Something that adds a feature and not just assets I can get for the same quality for free in the workshop. Something where I see the necessity for the developers to do it, because only they can reach the core code. In C:S 1 I sometimes had problems with traffic president, node controller and intersection marking tool, but I think if colossal order would have implemented them in the game, it might've been more stable and could have also enabled the mod creators to enrich and build upon this feature even more.

Its crazy to think theyd want you to buy a game that has less content than its predecessor, runs worse, and theyre selling creator content as dlc and not their own...

I will return to CS2 but when additional assets are available in the mod warehouse. That is the killer for me at the moment It has great potential but it is too vanilla at the moment

I was really looking forward to this game, I'm so glad I waited to buy it. Money saved!

Maybe we'll see a similar situation here with the console release that we got with Elite Dangerous: Odyssey

I don't understand why they wouldn't just delay the game, even if it was already delayed and took another year, so what?. A city builder is a solid foundation on which you can sell proper well priced content such as expansion packs and creator packs for the next 10 years. Heck Simcity 4 is still played to this very day. Chasing the fast quick and easy profit always hurts the company in the long run.

I will be always grateful to the gamepass for making me dodge this colossal bullet, I was about to preorder the game after sinking thousands of hours into the first one and its endless mods, then I saw it was on the pass and I thought "heck, I will save the money for now and check it up there, I will buy it on sale later". No sale has been able to convince me to buy it after spending about 40 hours on the game, got uninstalled in less than a month.

Trustworthiness is the highest value a person can achieve. No amount of money, power or fleeting emotions can replace it. Once your trustworthiness is lost, everything else will lose its value in the world.

I gave up when I realised I had zero lane control over the roads in my growing city, this was modded in the first game. Makes traffic flow mangagment impossible.

I played at launch and it was so poorly optimized on my high end pc that i stopped. Coming back 6-7 months later, it’s no better. It still crashes very often playing on the lowest graphics settings. It doesn’t make any sense. I’m very curious how this game was play tested prior to launch, and how they were okay releasing it in that state?

i appreciate the apology and would stress that it is quite possibly to earn back lost trust (like No Man's Sky did)... but that trust must be earned back through action. through consistent, high quality updates and fixes here's to hoping those are what the future holds, not more letters of apology

Not in a hurry here, just got into cs1 and got most dlcs, lots to do. Im ok for a few years..

I hope the next patch comes with the return of route tool from CSI

Hooray, Jumbo is here!

As dev communication goes, it's so rare for a dev to admit mistakes and hand out refunds, this is a stellar example of how to be a good dev. While they made mistakes, most devs would just ignore them and try to patch them over time, it's so rare for developers to be this open and honest with their mistakes. Purely because of that I'll probably come back to the game, we need devs to be open and honest about their mistakes, and reward that behaviour to encourage other devs to do the same.

The are talking about the fixes and how to move forward as if THIS was their first game. Thank you for the apology and the refunds, that is rare in this business.

So is the beach properties just gonna be added to the base games? If so, when?

If they were truly sorry they wouldve said that at the very first day when they shoveled out their steaming pile of shit, but they didn't... They're not sorry about the state of the game, they're sorry that the project as a whole is becoming a failure and most sadly so a monetary failure; they still hate customers with a passion

Sad they didn't learn this lesson from what happened to SimCity from Maxis.

They should take after what house flipper devs did, theres a whole fourm created by the devs where we the community can input things we want in game, bugs etc and theres an active chart that shows what the devs are actively working on and future plans

I dunno. I feel kinda upset that they released it as paid DLC, knowing how it was not even worth being called dlc, and now only saying sorry because the complaints are so loud they cant ignore us. Were not fools, were not stupid. I hate that they think we are.

I like the game. I do have to admit it feels like it is missing something. a new game mechanic would be nice. Performance updates are a must. And tidying up the AI a bit couldn't hurt. And after that it would be in a finished state. Which is what we should have got at the start....

So glad I refunded when I learned about the NDA all the shills signed before release (not allowed to talk about performance and only allowed to go so far into the game so the bugs/lag wouldn't be as bad)

I was so excited for the sequel. I didn't realize it was going to be a completely worse experience than the first. Minus the appearance of buildings.

One stupid Ultimate Edition owner here. They delivered utter crap DLC. They kept my money. And in return I get a sorry-not-sorry, yet another blatant vaporware pitch priced at $39.99, and a slap in the face, so they can feel good about screwing me. Have I got that right? I watch TV while I'm playing video games. Music is turned off for ALL of my games, not just CS2. And I pay money so developers create content for me, not the other way around. So I have no use for whatever the H*LL a content creator pack is. I'll bet my $40 was worth exactly $40 to them. Their bait-and-switch IS NOT worth $39.99 TO ME. It's worth exactly nothing. But yeah, Paradox is a sorry company. We can agree on that point. I rarely leave Steam reviews. But I left one today. I hope Paradox thinks it's worth $39.99.

I am glad they FINALLY decided to be honest and upfront, like how hard was that? it took 6 months for them to cut the BS, but at least it happened, only now real change can happen, I feel.

I have just base game, want to return it and receive a full refund. Quite happy with CS 1.