Comparing a $65,000 3D Printer to a $350 home 3D printer
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This past weeks we decided to test print some minis on the phrozen 8k 3d printer and compare that to master print copies from the digital wax laser 3d printer DWS029.
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Painting miniatures for your warhammer & d&d games. Age of sigmar and warhammer 40k. Blood angels, Slaanesh, Death Guard, Space Marines, Space Wolves, Stormcast Eternals, painting scale models, miniature busts! How to paint NMM. How to paint warhammer, how to paint d&D figures.
correction in the video: it say the 4k printer costs $4000, the actual price is $350.
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@RoLee705 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Whereβs your white table lamp for painting minis from? The length of it is great for covering surface area!
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@RoLee705 www.squidmar.com/gear :)
@DeaconCanle 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
just out of curiosity could you post an estimated cost of printing for these minis? I used to play 40k tabletop and was always exasperated at the prices for so few models (I played Tyranids) and dreamed of 3d printing my own minis but could never afford a printer. I thought it would be sooo much cheaper to print myself than to buy but to get a similar print quality I'm not so sure anymore.
@jdpaysnoe Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
You should try this again, but do it blind so that you do not have any possible bias by knowing it comes from a specific printer.
@BestTrader-hp2sd 8 ΠΌΡΡΡΡΡΠ² ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Where can I buy the art? Can I request the ones I actually want?
@Daredhnu 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
My take away from this video is that the the home printers are perfectly fine for the average user and the industrial ones are not worth the price unless you're actually in the industry.
@DiosNorte Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
correct, with fdm printers exactly the same thing happens. For my work I have seen industrial FDM printers, with prices above 65K and I assure you that the quality is not far from a "good" domestic printer. These printers often have other advantages. I use a formlab3 and an anycubic photon mono 4k, the difference is not so much in the quality as in the work process. The formlab is very clean, it does not require maintenance, it does not smell, it does not dirty, it does not calibrate, it is plug and play, hence its price difference.
@definitivamenteno-malo7919 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@DiosNorte I guess speed is also something to be concerned about, and that pro-printers may be faster?
@anecro Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
What a surprise, right?
@anakinskywalker4442 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Ikr, to me it looked almost the same minor smaller details which can be corrected with paint
@newtybot Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thatβs true for basically everything
@Wijkert 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I feel like all of them having the same coat of primer on them would make it easier to compare them. The color of the resin makes too big of a difference otherwise.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
For the video you are right, but priming would also be a big change for the minis thats not controllable enough in our opinion, ie if we primed it a little thicker on one mini it wouldnt be fair. Hopefully my reaction can showcase the difference enough.
@Wijkert 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures I feel like priming with an airbrush would have giving you enough control to get the same layer of paint on each mini. I think the difference in how thick the primer coats where has less of an impact than the color of the resin does on your ability to compare the sculpts. Don't get me wrong, I love comparison videos like these, just thinking about how to improve thinks for next time.
@gudtimes6363 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures maybe just show both?
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@gudtimes6363 well reconsider if we revisit it like a year from now or so, but i feel like weed need some new big leap in home printing to be worth it :)
@stingray4567 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I also hoped you'd basecoat before comparison. Also, if the models are similar enough you're worried that a coat of airbrushed paint will affect the comparison, I'd argue the differences are small enough to be irrelevent.
@travisatwell2855 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I've never played any table top stuff and never even looked into this world until I found this channel. I love watching you guys build stuff and he process is amazing. I for sure will be jumping into your stuff
@iantait309 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Yes its an amazing hobby. One that you can take are far as you like and if you do dive in deep there's plenty there. Also the community is great. p.s. This is one of the best channels.
@porgstew3657 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Yeah, its great i dont even like the theme but hes so good i can get ideas for anything. It really shows that even tho our themes are so different, its all one idea that we sit down for hours, make other people think we have gone crazy, then show them that we didnt not eat or drink for 8 hours because we are crazy (we are) but because we can take a piece of plastic and turn it into something amazing. Hope you enjoy the exiting, painful, fun adventure
@richards.7407 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
welcome to the hobby :-)
@michaelsorensen7567 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
any aspects in particular you find interesting so we can help the algorithm recommend other creators too? :)
@acerld519 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
You'll need a good broker for the new mortgage on your house to pay for the stuff :)
@robertbensch7748 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
(15k printer user here) Short note on the technology used: DWS is a SLA (Laser based) printer, Solus Pro is a DLP (Projector based) and the Sonics are LCD printers, which have come a long way in the last couple of years. Those are reiterated at an incredible rate, while the professional units are built for longevity, repeatability and basically a "put it on there, support, and do something else" approach. The Sonic 8k arrived just now on the market, while the solus was introduced with a 2k Projector back in 2019, and the DWS029 is being sold for even longer now, with various minor changes and propriaroty resins which perfectly fit the technology used. DWS and Solus are marketed towards the jewelry sector where absolute precision in all dimensions is most important, not necessarily resolution (Solus has about 40 micron XY resolution, DWS has a laser spot of about 30 microns if I remember correctly). IΒ΄ve had phrozen printers as backup systems standing around if something should break on the professional printer, but the dimeonsional accuracy on those is really an issue if you have to set a hundred diamonds on a piece and every prepared setting has a slightly different dimension depending on orientation of the model. ThatΒ΄s lost money right there. But for miniatures and almost all (even professional) use cases where you donΒ΄t need to rely on your output to be perfect every time the phrozen machines are absolutely sufficient. As you said, for a mold master of incredibly detailed models like yours, you should always use the best available machine like the DWS.
@EternalQuestion 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
That 65k printer does seem to be amazing, but I guess you'd hope it would be at that price! BTW, a blind test might have been better, that way you'd eliminate any possibility of confirmation bias.
@MadameMinty 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Blind test, identical resin and a proper camera to zoom in.
@manlymcstud8588 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
true. the results would have been the same, but that would have definitely have been a better test.
@EdenFalCie 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
not hope.... for 65k i would demand it be perfect and give me a damn HJ while its at it. 650 out does all of the others as far as cost to quality goes. no one should spend 1000 times the price for 10% better quality at best. thats insane.
@rubenfriedetzky1010 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@EdenFalCie Well, under the right circumstances you need the best and it doesn't matter if price/performance tanks - not to mention, those last single digits differences are probably harder to achieve than the first 80 %. Then there's people to whom 65k is the same as 1k is to us, if they are enthusiastic about it they might as well get the 65k one. Aside of that i agree, hobbyists certainly shouldn't spend that kind of money if they don't have too much of it to spend.
@EdenFalCie 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@rubenfriedetzky1010 im only talking about the general audience of the channel. i realize business' thats sole purpose is to deliver the best quality would make that investment worth it. i should have clarified. but yeah if i had the money to burn i think id still go for the 650 one. for personal use its fidelity is good enough to where a little sanding and polishing would make it close enough to perfect. but unless i was going to make it a small side business the 650 one is amazing for the quality to dollar ratio.
@DylanGeick 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Oh god⦠not me trying to justify a $65k printer in my head already
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hahahaha π
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The build volume is small. 150 x 150 x 100 mm.
@gamersresidence6040 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
rent it or comission it ;)
@Belgriffinite 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The 8k was still fantastic, without seeing it next to the 65k printer you'd be happy with it
@AntonGully 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Just give everything a coat of gloss house paint and you'll stop worrying about all those pesky details.
@guyrigby109 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I think alot of that percieved sharpness is also the resin. Some resins just the color washes out some of the details. The most fair comparison would be if you primed each one. It's crazy how much just the color of the resin affects perceived sharpness. Lighter gray resins for example, you tend to lose details. Also alot of resins are like slightly transparent when cured, so the final print looks a bit softer, throw some primer on there and bam, all of a sudden alot of hidden detail gets revealed.
@UncleJessy 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Absolutely amazing to see how the consumer market for resin printers is evolving! Fantastic comparison video... and man I need whatever lens that is you're using haha my close up shots look like π©
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thanks mate. Yeah we've been crazy impressed with phrozen! Also: Doode, m50 with kit lense ;) don't have to be more advanced
@UncleJessy 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures well hot damn. Will be looking to grab one of those
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@UncleJessy grab a good desk lamp first maybe:) get the light up close
@MikeTheGamer77 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Too bad the prices aren't.
@Galf506 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@UncleJessy it's all in the lighting, the kit on the M50 is very average entry grade glass. A 450D from like 10 years ago with its kit lens would do just as good!
@BrandonGiordano 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
It must feel so cool to see something you created come basically come alive and be able to hold it in your hands
@FrankieRogersArt 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I can not WAIT to get a chance to paint that mini. I'm in love with it, I love the ape like pose and the ornate jewelry to contrast it. I really look forward to seeing the other nine!
@DenePaintsThings 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Great video as always Emil - it's amazing to see how fast at home 3D printing is progressing. I've been on the fence about buying one for ages, but the machines keep improving so much that I worry whatever I buy today will be out of date VERY quickly.
@PaulGuy 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
At this point, they're good enough that as long as you get a 4k screen or above, you won't be disappointed. The cost to quality ratio has really gone towards cost beyond a certain price point. I wouldn't pay any more than $350 for a 4k printer at the smaller size (Mini 4k/Elegoo Mars).
@11Camzilla 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Can't wait to see the rest of the land you've been making!
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I've been having so much fun, cant wait to show the rest :)
@666Azmodan666 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
on a lighter color everything will seem sharper - that's the nature of light ... a slight change and it can completely change the perception of a sculpture. If there were no shadows, we would not be able to see the shape at all. Delicate tiny shadows blend with gray colors, so we can not see small details at all.
@TheMrFishnDucks 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Absolutely amazing. Looking forward to how they look once painted. Keep up the good work.
@nicholasbira2817 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
One complaint I have here, is that the low cost resin printers were clearly washed with dirty alcohol; the frosting from mediocre post-processing really degrades visual quality
@queen_zoestra 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
i was noticing the same thing, i've found that giving the figures a hard scrub with a toothbrush and warm, soapy water will get rid of a lot of that white residue left on the model from the 4k
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@queen_zoestra I would not used a toothbrush on fragile details of a miniature. Just do the washing in three steps. First bucket to get the majority of the resin off. Then a second step in another bucket and 3rd step with clean IPA gets it absolutely clean. Change the IPA as necessary. You will always have absolutely clean models after the 3rd step without the need of mechanical "tools" like brushes.
@unionpivo 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@cenciende9401 My printer is en route. I am trying to familiarize myself with all the additional stuff. Can you recommend a video or a guide, that covers details like that. I watched a few, and don't remeber washing figures in water, after the ipa bath. Also I see some people using ultrasonic cleaners, but i am not sure if they use water or ipa inside.
@SB_Artsy 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Primer also didn't help, it was sprayed on heavy from how spotty it looked
@Dan-gq9jq 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@cenciende9401 So what youre sayig is after you do an alcohol wash, do a water wash then the final cure?
@AlphaMachina Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The DWS is incredible, but it's still amazing what you can get out of a printer that's a fraction of the price. If I absolutely needed a $65K printer for prototyping or masterwork, that'd definitely be the way to go commercially or professionally. But as far as hobbyist level, you can't beat what you get out of the $300-$700 price range.
@frenchii111 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I would have preferred a comparison after priming. I feel like the 8k got an edge because of the darker resin, making it appear sharper to the eye. Still a fun video
@KabinMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I'm a sucker for these kinds of tests, thanks for the very satisfying video!
@alessandrodevigili1413 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Love your work and your enthusiasm! And your suggestions. And your help. You area good person.
@OTOss8 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
A blind comparison would have been nice. Have a friend or someone prepare them and you choose the best without knowing which is which. It's a very cool video though, I appreciate you putting this comparison together. It gives me a ton to consider.
@nickdefrancis3050 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Awesome, just started looking at 3d printers for D&D minis recently this is great. Canβt wait to see you paint and unveil your creations tho! Love the idea of Aztec inspired druid-y smart orcs.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thanks nick! I'm super excited about them :) cant wait to show more down the line :D
@Baldur825 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
One thing to consider is that these are 75mm prints. If you're printing 28mm minis you're not going to see such drastic differences between the 8k and the 4k on them as they're just about too small.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@Baldur825 check out 3d printing pro's videos on the printer
@PaulGuy 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@Baldur825 This is one reason a lot of mini modelers scale for 32mm, it's not much on the table but it does make a difference for detail.
@hazzie2005 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Great minis!! Loving the orks! I'd be interested to know if the orientation was the same on all of these printers. Personally I have found a noticeable difference across a mini when I've needed to change orientation
@Rcmike1234 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I really enjoyed the video! Interesting to see prints off machines that are out of reach for most/if not all. If you get the chance to revisit this i would take print orientation into account. From my experience doing resin printing and ordering resin prints in industry I've significant effects on print quality from how the printer is setup and managed. There are fair number of factors other than layer height that you'd need to control to get a perfect comparison: pretty much all of the printing settings other than layer height(which you covered), washing/curing process and resin quality/age could all play a role. Not trying to detract from your coverage, I really liked it!
@marxniuscalgar3338 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
yeah yeah cool now MOAR MANTA!
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
give us two weeks :)
@gr4692 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures thats too much time :(
@marxniuscalgar3338 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures can't wait dude :)
@KingZedusPrime2009TyrentKaiju Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@gr4692 make it faster than
@Lilitha11 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The last one definitely had a large improvement, but rests seemed incremental. I am not sure it would make a difference after you paint them.
@aa-tx7th Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
100000% would not...not even the last one. not by a LONG shot. all those little holes and lines will never survive even the best, most patient, most meticulous paint job.
@home-dream-records1399 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Ive never thought that the difference was so big between 4k & 8K Wtf.. Its as you saight so much sharper and tighter. Thanks for this impressive video !
@ComgrowOfficial 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Got mine and absolutely love it!! What an interesting comparison review!!!π₯°
@Normalbrass 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Really great comparisons, and wishing you well on the road to 500K! I would have loved to see the models with a basic primer on them to make the colors consistent between them. I wonder how much the color between models can effect our perception of a modelβs sharpness/definition.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I do agree with you, we went through it here in the office but decided that priming would add another factor thats not 100% controllable. IE could be applied thicker on one mini than the others and skew the results. Its not as easy to see through the screen tho. So we might reconsider if we revisit it 2 years from now :)
@Normalbrass 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures Absolutely understand why you didnβt do it in the video for consistencyβs sake. Sample sizes would probably be too small. Thanks for the reply, this channel is such excellent content for the hobby!
@ultimecia102 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
It is really great to see a comparison of the details in different price ranges. Those top end printers really produce premium products.
@handznet 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Definitely not worth the price
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
3:19 Discoloration on M70 usually happens when you don't use IPA but denatured alcohol to wash the prints. Or your IPA already has picked up too many pigments from prior washing of prints.
@thecyberhobbit 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I feel like when you're doing the comparison the color of the resin and the light reflecting on it makes 1 look better than another. Would be cool if they were all the exact same color (I know that might be difficult) but when the margins of accuracy is only 1-2% off, the color/light could make the difference in your mind.
@bjrnerikmol7737 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Just what i was thinking.
@CreamAle 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
8k and sol looks like the main difference was the resin and it's surface tension. If you look at 8:15 when comparing the necklaces it just looks like the resin was too viscous and welded it to the body.
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The resin can indeed have a great impact on print quality. I'd like to see how Nova 3D Red Wax like resin turns out when used on the 8K printer.
@SweatiestDegree 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Dude as somone who does art if I ever get good enough to sculpt at this level I feel like I'd need a printer going 24/7 this is absolutely amazing and those 8k ones looked awesome!
@thetony2780 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I love the comparison! And i would love to see more of the universe you created just from these orks alone. They look awesome and i love the fact they interact with the animal world and not just have muscles, but also brains! Thanks for the cool video :)
@housecaldwell 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The fact that you have to look so closely to see the difference between the $65k printer and the sub-$500 home printer is amazing.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Between the 350 dollar and 65k the difference was big. But the 8k printer. God daum
@rachellejanssen2655 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I've been working on a 40k retribution class battleship for the past year or two using my ender 5 (with a 0.4 nozzle) and my old flashforge finder (with a new 0.2 nozzle) completely from scratch, based off of fan drawings and battlefleet gothic armada games. It would be my dream for you guys to print and paint it one day!
@AKKK1182 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
In 32mm scale? Where do you keep it, in your back yard?
@rachellejanssen2655 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@AKKK1182 I honestly don't know the scale :x it just started 2 years ago and it spiralled out of control. The complete build will be approximately 1 meter (3.2 feet according to google)
@Copperzkey1 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I have a stratasys fortus 900mc use it for my work and Hobby's Also love your videos man you helped me start painting minis back in 2020 glad I found your channel your such a genuine person really wholesome much love Elliot
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thats awesome! i'd love to have a test mini from that if you'd be down to send me one! :D
@Copperzkey1 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures would love to you have a po box correct and if so what would you like
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@Copperzkey1 You can send me an email via my wesite and we can take it from there :)
@Copperzkey1 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@SquidmarMiniatures hey does Instagram work if not that's fine I can go through your website
@fredkinney5600 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I have the same Phrozen printers 4K & the two 8k and I got them when they did a pre-purchase and they print really really well.
@patrickbateman69420 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Man that $65k printer is INSANE quality! But since I'll never be able to afford that, paying 1% of that price for the Solus 8k still gives very impressive results
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Absolutely, for home use its crazy with the phrozen 8k printer.
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
In every Mini 8K review I've seen the prints had layer shifts. Most were minor, but that's the difference between a consumer printer and a professional one. The quality of the mechanical parts (tolerances/accuracy). But swapping the parts on a consumer printer with better ones (accuracy class H) can improve the machine a lot.
@joek600 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@Holztransistor I never understood why there is not a company offering an intermediate solution. Like around the 1000-1500 euros pricetag but with better build and QC.
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@joek600Most people only see the price tag. Their "sweet spot" for a sprinter is between $300 and $400. They would not understand how it makes a difference. Some don't know when their current printer isn't working as it's supposed to. I frequently see masterfully painted prints, but they have layer shifts. It always makes me sad. There even are manufacturers who post flawed prints on their social media as ads. In one case, when I pointed that out, they quickly deleted the post. On the Saturn Elegoo silently modified the z-axis after about 6 months. The pre-order and early production models had 12 mm rails. Then they switched to 15 mm rails and made the z-axis wider. They also braces the sides of the z-axis to prevent it from tilting forward from the suction on large prints.
@gazimoff 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Super hyped for a new range of fantasy models. And this comparison is just what I needed. Weβre thinking of building a hobby workshop, and a high quality resin printer would fit right in.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I'm sure you'll love it! We've been so excited about it, honestly we didnt expect the difference to be this big! :)
@TheStringBreaker Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
*Amazing content! Please do more of these!*
@kevinhayes517 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thank you very much for the excellent comparisons of the different printers?
@hunzukunz 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
the 65k one looks pretty much like a digital model looks like. the amount of detail is insane. i wonder though how much difference it would make when painted. since this level of fine detail would probably be loster under the paint? overall insane how good the affordable 3d printers already are.
@chrisvelo2595 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
That's why I think he didn't prime them all the same since it would add a layer of paint that might obscure details. It's cool but highlighting with paint would probably produce a more striking effect overall
@alexgac1801 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
The DWS029 makes the 8k look like a toy. Which it is, but still... it's so lifelike. Are you not going to lose details when painting it ? Even with ant surgery tools, the thickness of coating will swallow these 10 microns creases...
@InSearchForEpicness 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
HavenΒ΄t played any warhammer or laid hands on a paint for at least a decade. I still watch every video. ItΒ΄s just so relaxing. LetΒ΄s get you to 500k this year! :)
@shajducko 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
It looks like you got the M70 resin figured out! Any chance you'd be able to do a video on how you got it to work well for you? I've been having a ton of issues with it as well.
@HossDaddy206 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
What he said: "I made my own fantasy world!" What I heard: "I made my own fancy world" I was really hoping for a bunch of fancy pants miniatures, whatever that means.
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Mlady
@stingray4567 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I wish you'd base coated all the models with the same paint before comparing. Unless the models are all printed with the same resin you really need to base coat them as resins can have very different; opacity, shinyness, color, etc which can make side by side comparison of physical details very misleading.
@batmandalorian5504 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I know next to nothing about printing with resin but all I could think was "Um, these all look like different materials .. how can you fairly compare the printers if the resin is different ?" Even the color of the material in the same light may affect how we perceive the details.
@mateuszmatuszczak5331 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@batmandalorian5504 Not only was the material and color different, the "home" prints weren't cured or washed properly. I think we live in an awesome time for home printers. The details are amazing, and the prices are extremely low. Moreover, resin printers are getting sharper each year. Not to mention the fact that we're going to have a lot of DLP printers coming out really soon. However, there is some degree of skill required to achieve the best results.
@mcampbell7144 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Thanks for the vid! I see in your affiliate links that you have the Anycubic FDM printer as well. What's the difference between that and the Phrozen and what would be the best uses for either?
@njbolt90 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
This video was brought to you by the word, βSharpβ! I have to say 3D printing is a whole other world to me and Iβm happy to live that vicariously through channels like yours.
@truckstation527 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Iβd be interested in hearing what the difference is in print times on these printers! Maybe you could do a show like that also in the future
@Leo-pd9en 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
So i can say the Prozent Printer will be the fastest. The dws Printer is an SLA so it will be the slowest. The resolution of that Printer just looks so amazing because of the resin. It plays a huge role in quality prints. Technically the Prozen 8k has the best XY resolution with 22micro and an Z of 10micro. The DWS has an resolution of XY 50micro and Z of 10micro. Thatβs not very impressing. As mentioned by others the phrozen prints werenβt properly washed so they look not that sharp.
@bitharne 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@Leo-pd9en doesnt the DWS (laser) resolution matter a lot less? I haven't done a ton of research; but what I saw on Laser Printers is they can "overlap" their exposures, unlike an LCD display resin one, to give you, effectively, infinite resolution? Maybe I misunderstood or the DWS can't do it (or the file itself isn't set up that way)
@Leo-pd9en 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@bitharne yes your right a laser printer can overlap the lines. I worked with Formlabs printers and they have a laser spot size of 85 microns and an xy resolution of 25 microns. So the need to overlap because the laserspot is way bigger. But the xy resolution is limited by the galvanometers. So the mirrors that are redirecting the light are limiting the resolution. Theoretically it is possible to have infinite resolution but you have to get better galvos and overlapping also partly overcures your print so the spot size and the resolution have to fit together. The laser has also a smoother outline because the spot is round and the lcd produces pixely outlines that can be a factor too.
@markarato8034 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I think the cheaper one is great value for the average user, especially considering that most people will (unfortunately) ruin most of those nice sharp details with the paintjobs.
@israelpaterno8353 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Remarkably put, the primer process itself would ruin the sharpness by itself
@zephirboscher9617 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
You need to paint it in a video, it just looks so dope ! Looking forward for the rest of the miniatures :)
@korihor9161 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
We have a DWS at my work. They're from a company in northern italy like 40 minutes away from me. awesome factory
@echtvergoldet 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I guess the phrozen 4k mini is supposed to be 400 not 4000 Euros?
@marvindunze8482 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Came here to say this.
@JohanEinevik 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Awesome that you make your own line of minis!! will I be able to buy the 3D files? I think the slight translucency of the 8K resin makes it look a bit less sharp. The DWS029D had a more opaque resin which makes it looks sharper I think. I don't doubt the DWS was sharper but I think the look of the resin played some part as well. It would be interesting if the DWS ant The mini 8k models were primed and the emil and his cred did a blind test
@hunberyt4988 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
love ur vids squid!
@theclarkmaster3642 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Would love to see some of those minis painted that would be super cool.
@M4XC4V413R4 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Love your videos but honestly this video was not a good comparison at all, they used different resins, they clearly cleaned the models poorly just looking at the cured residue on the models (and anyone that does resin printing knows this alone makes a gigantic difference in detail of the final model), they most certainly cured it differently (different curing "stations", different times, etc) and finally, who can guarantee to me that the settings they used on any of the printers were the best for that print? That alone also makes or breaks the quality.
@bitharne 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Agreed. While the models aren't the same; stuff I've done on a Mars2 Pro can compete with the technically better 4k/8k printers he was showing off. Nothing touches that 65grand one though...laser printers are leagues above resin (as resin is leagues above PLA) but the pay through the nose for that jump in the lasers.
@Madogen Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
That really is amazing resolution on that print.
@gamersresidence6040 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Well played Phrozen. I have got that 8K in my sights now
@Holztransistor 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Either I missed it or some details are missing here. The XY resolution of the Solus Pro and DWS 029D. But fortunately this can be found on the web. Compact size 2K mono printers in the 6 inch LCD range (Mars 2 Pro etc.): 50 microns XY resolution Compact size 4K printers (Mini 4K, Mars 3, Photon Mono 4K): 35 microns XY resolution Longer Orange 4K (5.5 inch mono LCD with subpixels): 31.5 x 10.5 microns XY resolution Midsize 4K printers (Saturn/Mono X for example): 50 microns XY resolution Photon Mono X 6K: 34 microns XY resolution Phrozen Mini 8K: 22 microns XY resolution Solus Pro (DLP printer): 42 microns XY resolution DWS 029D (laser printer): 25 microns XY resolution
@Orniris 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I can feel how excited you are about it ππ Making your own game is a dream coming trueβ€οΈ
@jamespetrusow2412 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I have a question that I've been wanting to ask for a while, where did you get that lamp from in the background? It's gorgeous and I want one
@PeterSFam 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
In addition o the washing suggestions slight adjustment (usually a decrease) to exposure times per layer will help sharpness.
@BigBoss-tn6fn 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I'm thinking about getting into 3d printing and I mostly focus on military vehicles both fictional and real. What 3d printer do you recommend for that? Detail is important for me. I used to print through shapeways but they are so expensive and the print quality isn't anything close to these home printers. Any advice is appreciated.
@TreasureGoblins Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Any idea what resin was used on the DWS print? I LOVE that unpainted color.. also if im not mistaken DWS printers use "proprietary" resins (not sure if they are greedy enough to have one of those RFID lockouts). Where did you order it from? if you don't have the info maybe they can assist. Thanks!
@jonasols 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Zion and Dea makes me smile and chuckle every time.
@awildyoutuberappeared9325 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
It also depends what resin you use. I use anycubic and I have printed figures as small as my fingernail and the details are insane.
@saxplayingcompnerd 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I want to see the same resin batch used on all 3 printers. The resin quality makes a big difference.
@forgefartherloki6585 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
hi guys! wa wondering what camera you use for recording your close ups of minis theyre super detailed
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hey mate, we used the canon m50, we have all gear listed on my website www.squidmar.com
@cromcraft3494 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
"No gaps on anything" Me staring at the massive gap above his betbuckle π Lol they look great
@Mellow3536 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I wonder how they might change if they were all primed in the same way. Would they still hold up as is?
@lagoondragoon Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hi, just got my mini 8k as first 3d printer, doing some prints with default settings but those were real brittle and cracked on removal from the plate. Can you share your 8k grey resin settings? thanks
@johnhart5953 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Does anyone know what brand of shelving he has his printers set up on?? I'm trying to find something exactly like that to set up my printers on.
@adam7347 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Loot Studios stuff is REALLY good. Iβve printed around 40 of their minis in the last month and Iβve yet to have a failed print, or a model that I was less than happy with.
@Wolfie21384 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I want all the minis. I love orcs and that owl *chef's kiss*.
@markgnepper5636 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Great stuff friend π π
@FrozenDozer 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I think you should make another video AFTER you primed these minis. The issue with some resins is that they are a little translucent and you lose a LOT of visual detail when they're unprimed. These details come back after priming though. I feel like some of these differences between the resins can be explained by this alone.
@natesroomrule 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Got my Squidmar Exclusive Airbrush yesterday. Look sweet, now i just need to learn how to airbrush - hah.
@user-qh7np1ex5o Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
i need a fast 3d printer to print support for electric circuit cover for arduino project and tecnic 3d drawing i dont need mutch detail i need speed for printing thing like box mecchanic arm im sorry my english is bad what you suggest for speed low detail and structural stength
@thomasanderson8966 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Super cool. Canβt wait to see more of the manta though!
@davidprice7602 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hey guys nothing to do with printers but just wanted some advise I used my airbrush to gloss black prime a blood angel to try metallic candy red armour so primed then silver from above then few thin coats of red ink then the next day the paint had cracked in quite a few places all over and some patches lifted right back to plastic what did I do wrong I'm new to airbrushing
@jay_boot 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
These figures are excellent! Do you plan on making your creations available to the public to purchase? I've seen some of Mindwork Games stuff and have been super impressed, would love to get my hands on The Chef bust they have. Keep up the amazing work!
@BernhardRieder1 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Super cool. What service company did you use to get the print done with the DWS029? Thanks & keep rocking, cheers.
@Gfors85 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Nice video, but I would like to see the printers if possible and maybe give us a quick tour about them? also I never saw any prices on every printers, maybe ive missed it or something :) Thanx again for a great video!
@mekko1413 Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I agree with those that say they should have all been primed the same color. But as far as the detail variations printing an axe at one angle will make some details show better and others softer and vice versa so depending on the angles you will get a variation from print to print on the same printer.
@RoLee705 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Whereβs your white table lamp for painting minis from? The length of it is great for covering surface area!
@mihailojankovic4377 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hey Emil! Any info on those minis? When they will be available? :)
@veerkillerx 7 ΠΌΡΡΡΡΡΠ² ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
"An entire FANCY universe." Well, I do love fancy universes *raises pinky*
@rafaelaguilar123 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
This was a good video. For next time you make an update video or similar can you use the same color for all the figures?
@MrStatistx 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Also depends on the exposure (is it dialed in perfectly?) and if one of them used AA of some variety
@MrStatistx 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
@@cenciende9401 sure, just because someone charges money they are perfect. That's why I had to often clean up rough surfaces or support scars on professional printed miniatures from before I had a printer
@mai2015 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Squidmar becoming one of the most popular hobby channels to me is so so surreal!!! I remember him having 2000 subs!!!!!!
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Me too π€―π€―
@Borzakovsky 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Is there a link to this 3d model? It would be interesting to see how it turns out on my printer!)
@fedelerinaldi6720 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hi, Im having issues printing a model which uses Boole - i connect and flatten the object in C4d , Cura sees the holes (windows in a building) , but the printer ignores the holes
@kylebettilyon5772 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
I have a chaos warhound waiting for it's bath, what do you use when "cleaning" your resin printed models? chemicals, brushes etc... please and thank you for another great video.
@ryanlydiard2098 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
For forgeworld resin lukewarm water with washing up liquid scrub with a toothbrush then wash ina separate bowl of just regular water to wash it off. Itβs what I used for my reaver Titan and some smaller resin minis
@LazyMitchell Π ΡΠΊ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
What attachment did you use to connect your camera to your microphone scissor arm?
@nicolaso921 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Tracing the line between pro, commercial and industrial. Very interesting insight!
@RedHotBagel 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
Hey Emil, did you tweak the exposure on your 8k printer for the model and resin? The softer details might come out better if you reduce the expose a tiny bit. Would be cool to hear back if you've gone down that road already :) Fresh IPA also helps if you want to go for maximum quality :)
@SquidmarMiniatures 2 ΡΠΎΠΊΠΈ ΡΠΎΠΌΡ
We've done a bunch of exposure tests, this was def the best we could get
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