As a hardcore Cyclops fan (hence my profile pic), I find a lot of other hardcore Cyclops fans to be annoying. They act like Cyclops is some perfect paragon who can do no wrong, when in actually, Cyclops' failures and questionable actions are huge aspects of what makes his character interesting

It was hilarious that in one of the runs everyone was shitting nonstop on Cyclops' horrible crime after he diedm making him out to be history's greatest monster... And then it turned out his horrible crime was changing the terrigen mists so that they did not murder mutants anymore.

Cyclops has always been best as the combination of professor x’s and magneto’s philosophies

This is some of the craziest spin I’ve ever heard. He never wanted to “Eradicate” people who disagreed with the mutant cause with the Phoenix. He used the Phoenix to undo Scarlet Witch’s “No More Mutants” spell.

Cyclops be having too many secret family members

That conversation between Cable and Cyclops where Cable acknowledges Scott as his father, and tells Scott that he should stop before he would be killed both physically and in the eyes of the public was amazing. It sticks with me. One of the few conversations they had, and the only one I can remember where Cable acknowledges Scott as his father. A beautiful analog for Magneto and his children.

He was a revolutionary not a villain. Man said child soldiers but he was teaching them to defend themselves if they get attacked. Cyclops did what he thought was right to protect his people and he didnt sugar coat anything. Cyclops was right!

Cyclops is a great leader, great villain, but he’s even better at being a soldier! He’s no slouch, he will kill, but he also reasons.

Obligatory Cyclops was right. Captain America was the villain of AvX.

This era of Cyclops was FUCKIN WILD and I loved it!

Didnt like Cyclops as a kid, but as I get older i appreciate him more. Hes my 3rd fave Xman

Cyclops wasn’t the bad guy in that time. Iron man was

Not sure i agree with some of your takes but love the video! He was only really defined as a “villain” in the framework of marvel comics we were meant to view him as such but it kinda backfired around this time and readers rallied around him Related regarding Schism I always thought the event made little to no sense with Logan as the opposing side and it should have been Storm. The argument itself was so odd when you realize X-Men were trained since they were teens to begin with

Super biased take against Cyclops. For example, an entire class of mutant students were nearly slaughtered. They were trained to be soldiers for their survival. Mutants exist only because of Scott.

Na Scott was right. This man has saved the Mutant race from extention several times, but for some reason, everyone hates him. I'm riding with Cyclops.

Cyclops deserves "Big three" status in the next iteration of the MCU. He can fill Cap's role as the tactician.

Cyclops was Right and he preserved the mutant race🥰❤️❤️☺️

That’s a bold claim, Rob, in a universe with Victor von Doom, Magneto, Owen Reese, and Galactus in it.

I always found myself annoyed by how everyone treated Cyclops as this horrific monster. A lot of X-Men condemned Cyclops for X-Force during Second Coming, and for the longest time I wanted to jump into the panels and tell them all to grow up, their race was on the brink of extermination and hard choices had to be made. I also really didn't like how he was treated for killing Xavier. Look, it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it, but the writers have gone on record to say he was being influenced by the Phoenix at the time, and whenever that was brought up in the comics characters just dismissed that. Jean Grey killed billions of aliens when she was Dark Phoenix, but she was instantly forgiven by the others, and they even fought to protect her. I know it was retconned that that wasn't Jean after all, but the X-Men didn't know that at the time! The only difference between Cyclops and Jean in this scenario was that Cyclops killed someone they knew, while Jean killed a bunch of faceless aliens they hadn't met.

Wrong. The writers for spiderman are the true villains

What's ironic is that now it's Beast whose gone down this path of "By any means necessary"

When you talked about cyclops saying they could kill cable .. yeah cable is cyclops's son

Beast bringing the pasr x-men into the present and Cyclops leading the mutant revolution was after Avengers vs X-Men, not before. Also this video is very biased against Cyclops, because if Cable Cyclops knew about Hope's importance, it wasn't just a supposition, Bishop was a psychopath during that era, he endangered countless X-Men. Also Wolverine was the ultimate hypocrite, criticising Scott for putting children in danger but he himself was willing to kill Hope who was still a teenager. Last thing, during the Revolution era, Cyclops never forced anyone to fight with him, on the contrary.

Cyclop was the true hero in AVX

Indeed a hottake but a correct one. But he was not a villain but a revolutionary.

I do love the split in teams. Logan and Jean Grey School (which was basically Harry Potter) and Cyclops and his "brotherhood of mutants". It really showed how the two characters had change so much that they were now polar opposites. Logan carrying on the professor's dream and Cyclops being a version of Magneto that even made Eric a little nervous.

The X Men finding out the Prof. had intentionally enslaved the Shiar AI; Danger (Room), made the team look at him a lot differently around that time as well. In "Astonishing".

Sorry, but this is a bad take. There have been other "Cyclops is an ahole" runs, but these were not it. He was just being a decisive leader, making the best decisions he could given the circumstances. Was everything he did perfect? No, not by a long shot, but it was all motivated from a pretty clear concern for the future of his people. For example, Cyclops didn't say he would kill all his teammates to save Hope, he was saying that ALL of them (himself included) should be willing to lay down their lives to keep Hope safe, because her presence was clearly connected with re-creating mutantkind. In Utopia, he wasn't making child soldiers, he was teaching kids to fight for their home and to defend themselves from people who wanted to kill them. He wasn't trying to eradicate anyone with the Phoenix Force, he was trying to bring about the rebirth of his race. He also, as part of the Phoenix Five, spent tons of time and effort remaking the entire world (not just mutantkind) into an actual utopia, but after being attacked several times, the Phoenix Force had had enough and went to town on them all. AND at the end, he did indeed bring about the rebirth of his race. Cyclops was right. This overall run in the comics is what makes him the GOAT defender of mutantkind, in my mind.

Nope, Cyclops was right ❌️

Hope they do him well in the MCU.

Cyclops Was Right X

Xmen Schism convinced me that cyclops was a great leader, dude was trying to protect what was left of the mutants and people try to label him a villain. The mans a boyscout or started out that way because Xavier need his child soldiers to be obedient, but all the betrayals made him more protective and militant so he could effectively lead honestly(he is a deadbeat dad though)

I would love a video on Cyclops' top general Magik. She's so unappreciated, and her growth has been amazing since her debut

Cyclops was like the Captain America of the X-men. So seeing his values that he holds dear be twisted and altered by trauma was ingenious. His fall from grace made him more empathetic as a character.

Schism era cyclops was where i truly came to respect the character. Read bits and peices of the saga along with x men vs the avengers and knew about the all the events that happened during this time (house of x, no more mutants, civil war, krakoa/genosha, etc). I loved cyclop's transition from the ideal golden boy of the mutant race to being it's leader and eventual savior through preservation. Also liked the fact that he took on more of magneto's idealogy and slowly backed away from professor x's ideals (nothing wrong with them, but with the way charles was written during this time, it slowly caused a rift everything cyclops was taught....).

I forget which run it was on the AvX stores or the plenty of times they fought. But the words he spoke to Steve then (paraphrase) While the Sentinels hunted us, House of M & the other events, where were the Avengers, we fought beside you in your battles but left to ourselves to die" That line was the coldest lone every written to the Avengers to call them out since they had a all white team and someone called them out on that. So in a complete flip and see Steve take what is basically the X-Force mentality and form another Unity Squad that straight murked Orchid. It felt good to see, especially people like Tony who previously had a FWB relationship with Emma be a ally in the Fall of X & Kingpin using his street power to help as well is damn good to see. So seeing Marvel give this character development to Scott and the people he has went against is awesome

Anakin Skywalker is the best analogy ive seen. I used nick fury as an analogy. He's not a captain America type because hes not bound to loyalty to a single country. Hes pretty unique but thats a great comparison anakin because of the heel turn

You a little out of order. Avengers v X-Men happened before cyclops started saving and recruiting new mutants. Otherwise wow ur bringing back so many good memories, I have all of these major story arcs. I loved this era of cyclops.

As usual, thank you for this Rob. I love listening to these while working out 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Cyclops is my favorite marvel character so good bad or bad guy the character is dope

I do really miss cyclops being a boy scout. He was fantastic as a villain but I hope one day he gets to really shine as leader of the X-Men and an all around great guy that everyone trusts again

Thanks for doing this video Rob! You covered the X-Men pretty well there during my favorite stretch of Marvel. A little correction there; The Bendis titles, All-New and Uncanny, came after Avengers Vs. X-Men not before. Beast brought the O5 team back as a last ditch effort to get his old friend to admit all his wrongs up to and killing Xavier. I personally liked what they did with his character. I like when the big 2 do different and interesting things with their characters. We have decades of these characters being eagle scouts. It's good to shake it up once in a while. Take care and peace.

Just got the new 97 “ Boyscout” in today. This was right on time.

I think Scott Summers changes based upon who he is with. Jean Grey good boy , white Queen bad boy.

They assassinated his character and I'm still bitter.

Wow, am I the only one who didn't think nor look at Slim as a bad guy during this arc?

I know you get burned out doing this stuff sometimes Rob, but thank you. This was awesome.

Man, your voice makes (comic) history come to life, love your content.

Is the future success of the MCU in the hands of a Henry Cavill Cyclops storyline??

Cyclops should've been written more as a hero instead of a villain because he showed his prowess as a leader of the X-Men. But after House of M, he went down a villainous path while to maintain the survival of Mutants which started from Messiah Complex to Avengers vs X-Men. But this makes me want to read more and more about Cyclops.

Started reading X-Men in 1964. I always thought Cyclops was a crybaby. Maybe that was Stan's intention for the character.

Off topic but who agrees that Jason Isaacs should be Magneto?

Love your channel for a long time. And for some reason this particular vídeo reminded me the OG ones. Almost could hear the old sountrack in the background...

Happy to be alive to see this version of Cyclops.

Omg that was all my teenage years reading comics resumed on a video! To be fair at the beginning People were complaining about the way that cyclops was being written but im glad they kept him that way, he becomes a more complex character and drops away the good boy persona that People usted to associate him to also, his black-red costume with the x visor was badass! Loved your video man!!

Man, a perfect summary. People like you should talk to Marvel to handle the scriptwriting for the movies. People with passion and who know how to summarize without losing the essence. Great video

Cyclops is underrated. I still have a grudge against Bryan Singer for ruining his character and Superman.

Damn, what a trip through memory lane. I stopped reading comics during secret wars, and it's exactly because X-men was getting so good but then it went nowhere and I was like, f this shit. Also, by that time even hank admitted that Cyclops was right.

I don't think of him as a Villain just his motives had shifted to a point people and other Mutants would see him that way. This all comes down to the writer at the time. What was their motive to shift his core morality...

The Avengers vs X-men take always confused me. The Phoenix is a planet, sometimes galaxy buster. The only one who seems to want it is the man who had a child with it. I’m not trusting that.

Qhy did u juat say tht so casually "dr doom snapped his neck"😂😂😂, man i love god king doom so much

I remember you did Cable vs The Avengers, and you talked about it leading in to Messiah Complex and Messiah War. I’d love to cover that.

Schism was fantastic. Wolvie learned to chill out, with a comedy school of misfits. Cyclops grew way too hardcore with Magneto reporting to him with little pink hearts in his eyes.

AvX shows that Cyclops was making the world better: forced countries to surrender weapons; built better infrastructure for cities; installed crop irrigation systems where there was none; gave mutants a new home and a future. The Avengers threatened the mutants peace, accused them of stuff based on assumptions and then kidnapped Hope. Cyclops was right. He was protecting his family from injustice. When the world turns against you and your people, it is asking for retaliation.

Yes, New Xmen post AvX made Cyclops one of my favorite Marvel characters.

I ONLY see True Marvel Villains throughout the years when I happen to see one. Here are THE True Evil Marvel Villains I've seen throughout the years of the Marvel Universe: 1. Norman Osborn/Green Goblin (Spider-Man franchise) 2. Ivan Vanko/Crimson Dynamo (Iron Man franchise) 3. Victor Creed/Sabretooth (X-Men franchise) 4. Winter Soldier (Captain America's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 5. Michael Badilino/Vengeance (Ghost Rider franchise) 6. Benjamin Poindexter/Bullseye (Daredevil franchise) 7. Baron Mordo (Doctor Strange franchise) 8. Loki Laufeyson (Marvel's Thor franchise) 9. Emil Blonski/Abomination (Hulk franchise) 10. Davos/Steel Serpent (Iron Fist's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 11. John McIver/Bushmaster (Luke Cage franchise) 12. Deacon Frost (Marvel's Blade franchise) 13. Tony Masters/Taskmaster (Deadpool's Worthy Adversary) 14. Attuma (Namor's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 15. Darren Cross/Yellowjacket (Scott Lang/Ant-Man's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 16. Carson Knowles/Black Spectre (Marc Spector/Moon Knight's Evil Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 17. M'Baku/Man-Ape (T'Challa/Black Panther's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 18. Karla Sofen/Moonstone (Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 19. Yelena Belova/Crimson Widow (Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow's Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 20. Barney Barton/Trick Shot (The Evil Villainous Older Twin Brother of Clint Barton/Hawkeye, who's also his Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 21. Ares (Hercules's Evil Villainous Half-brother and Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 22. Shen Kuei (Shang-Chi's Evil Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 23. Conner Sims/Anti-Man (Adam Brashear/Blue Marvel's former Best Friend, now Officially turned Evil Longtime Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) 24. Madame Huang (Lei Ling/Aero's former Master/Mentor, now Officially turned Evil Archenemy and Worthy Adversary) These are THE True Evil, Heartless, Bruteful, Merciless, Malevolent, Malicious, Tyrannical and Dominant Marvel Villains I've ever seen throughout the years. I Absolutely Cherish, Respect and Appreciate THESE types of the Marvel Villains I've ever known.

Scott's villain arcs always go hard. Never necessarily been a fan but i do like seeing him get done justice in anyway.

Those villain summers comics sound AMAZING honestly. Id love to see you cover them. Id love to buy and read them

Agreed, if they don’t go down this route with his character in the cinematic or at least the All New X Men time travel run to bring back old and new versions of characters to get new actors to take over their roles and change their futures it’ll be a miss.

I think when Magneto of all people says something like "What is wrong with you, Scott", you may be going down the wrong path. Scott always was myopic...

None of these actions make him a "villain". This is Cyclops at his peak. I don't understand understand why people label this era Cyclops as a "villain". Just because Avengers fought him? What part of this version of Cyclops is not heroic? He saved the mutant species

Thanks for the video, Robbery! It made me think and choose to communicate with the community. That felt good.

I would like for you to cover "Cable& Deadpool". Probably needs to be a mini series, but you have already covered all the bigger happenings it touches. The even older Deadpool stuff is pretty great too.

I think Cyclops been off his knockers since returning from 'merging' with Apocalypse

I wonder how many times you can kill 1/10ths of the mutant population before the readers get bored. It’s always the same story.

All I know is that fight between Dazzler and Black bolt........ GENIUS!!!!!

I never liked cyclops. Always thought he was a goodie two shoes but when he was being evil and anti hero style I super dug it.

emma frost + scott summers

Man, some of this is just blatant misrepresentation of what happens, both Cyclops' actions and the actions of others. Imo, at the end of the day he's the reason we're able to have the Krakoa era today. He is THE xman!

To answer your question at the end... cover all of these stories! X-Men is the greatest comic book series of all time and like you said, the Cyclops Villain Saga contains some of the best stories from the series.

*Rob* Please Review *Zero Tolerance* That was my favorite X-Men series and the Artwork 🤌🏿

Cyclops was just essentially Paul Atterides 😂

Damn you covered a lot of ground with this one, Rob! Gotta say this was a good time to be an X-Men fan, after many years of forgettable stories. And yes, please cover Decimation, District X, and Schism/Regenesis!

Rob PLEAAAAASSSEEE keep making X-men content. I’ve stuck with your channel since my literal childhood. And everytime you release something I watch it, but I don’t click on it nearly as fast as I do anything X-men

Marvel's best villian is a movie director who re writes everything vs following a script that's been there for decades.

You smoking rocks reading DC comic books if you believe that

Some of my times of reading x men and being a fan of cyclops. Loved telling my friends about the evolution of cyclops. Great video!

Thanks for the video ! You caught a new subscriber with it !

Cyclops was a great villain for 3 reasons: 1) He started as a hero. We got time to like the guy, understand him and how his heart was in the "right" place. 2) He had a good motivation for becoming a villain. Finding out you've been lied to your whole life, lost relationships with friends and family, lost loved ones all because someone lied, it's very relatable. 3) He was successful. In a lot of ways, he "won." He beat Professor X. He ended up proving that Prof X was wrong on the way he viewed the world, which has had consequences leading into even current comic runs with House/Powers of X, Fall of X, etc. Marvel has always been about the villains, and good villains sell stories better than good heroes.

Absolutely cover those stories!!!

Good video bro. I've had a hard time liking Cyclops since the editors decided to allow him to be written as a war criminal. Recruiting child soldiers is considered one of the world's worst crimes and the character's been tainted for me, even though I thought Cyke was awesome as a little kid. I mean, some of the worst X-Men villains didn't recruit child soldiers. That's just my personal reaction, it bugged me and I haven't been able to think, "Woo hoo Cyke!" ever since. It's like making him a child abuser.

@ComicsExplained Speaking of Dark Reign, when are you going to cover that? I would really love it!

Always been a Cyke stan

You know what I love .... I love that any hack fan fiction writer can commandeer a great work with poor writing and that work then becomes continuity. I love that. I also love when people talk about characters like they are real people instead of as characters in a story being manipulated by sometimes great writers but more often than not mediocre to horrible writer and there again saying things like "Next, Cyclops did ..." when we jump between those writers. Cyclops did nothing. He was puppeteered. Yet, nevertheless ... I love that. With that said, Cyclops is a great character when written by great writers who, instead of imprinting and projecting on him their bias or lack of understanding, write him so well that he feels like a real, dynamic and flawed human whose successes and failures drive the story. I hate that ... or at least i feel more and more like they want me to hate that.

Is Iceman the only one that hasn't gone through an evil streak from the O5?

Scott wasn't a villian he was just down for his people. As time went on he realized Magneto was right all along

Should cyclops have his own series again?

He wasn't a villain. It was necessary.

THE DIFFERENT SUITS OF CYCLOPS SHOWN IN THJS VIDEO WERE ALL COOL AF. i especially liked the cosmic looking one.

this really glosses over alot, and saying Xavier was a father figure to him, like he didn't berate, belittle, second guess, lie, and manipulate, Scott at basically every given opportunity to do so feels real weird.