It makes me want to learn about other unknown people. People who have contributed to things we see or hear everyday, yet we don’t know their names…

@@umjammereddy But the real trick is knowing that regardless of recognition, the fact that one person can touch another in any capacity, no matter how distant or small the effect, and make them feel something special is truly great. If you want to honor the artists who worked in the past, just focus on your thoughts and feelings in the present. They all contributed to your world in a special way, and every beautiful thing you see is a result of their artistic handiwork.

@@doswallo That is so well said! A very beautiful way of looking at life

I came to write this very comment, but also was going to add something about the realization of your own mortality as well. Will the art you made with passion be remembered?

@@walker1812 There is a famous quote from one street artist known as Banksy: “They say you die twice. One time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time." While there is some truth in this saying, how being remembered keeps your life intact for future generations to recognize with clarity, I do believe that the clear vision of one's name and artistic works can be overly focused on. In truth, Banksy is not even the real identity of the street artist who said the quote. Their true name has never been attributed to their artistic works. But what does that matter? Whether we know their name, or their art, or the impact they had on someone else's life, what matters most is that they had any impact on someone's life at all. That impact they had on others, however small or large, will be passed down from person to person as we continue to grow as a people. If my great, great grandchild does not know Banksy or their art, or even if they do not know my name or my art, they will still have something to appreciate from us artists: that we existed and that we impacted others. It is simply our duty to make our impact a good one, however that may be.

@rosaaa around 18:20

I worked at Disney World at the time those segments were on tv and at the time could only get Disney-owned channels on cable, so my roommates and I actually watched a fair bit of Disney Channel. Mostly because it was often a choice between that and ESPN. I was laughing at Kevin being freaked out by those segments. The “kids talk about 9/11” thing was _everywhere_ at the time.

I had forgotten them. The memory took me out too lmao

I see how they seem particularly strange and shocking today-and I agree, it really makes for a comedic beat-but as someone who watched the full live news coverage starting shortly after the first plane hit and on throughout the rest of the day-and the following days, weeks, months-I can't think of any other event as traumatic as that one. I had just started 5th grade when it happened and I really did think about it daily for years. When a disaster happens at a school, for example, it's important to make counselling available to the children. But what do you do when the whole country saw it? A really fascinating cultural phenomenon all-around.

"So, I think, one good thing about 9/11 was..."

Ed Wood

I saw that, said to myself "oh glen!", and then audibly laughed when I saw that was his name 😂

spoiler

​@@Hvision0000spoiler is something that ruins the plot. None of these comments give any insight into the plot until the video literally got to that point nobody made it clear what any of this means so you would have to actually know some also why the hell are you in the comments and not watching the video, people talking about a video are always going to spoil it that's the point of comments, to talk about the f****** video

@@aSipOfHemlocktea ☝️🤓

Selling Finding Nemo 😂

Ah! It’s me!

@@originalporpoise1009 omgoodness I thought I'd escaped your clutches! You'll never take this clone aliiiiiive!

@@paulyman28779 you're wrong cause its true. It says Alex Lasarenko.

@@paulyman28779 I don't know what Google you use or what you wrote, but this is definitely thee answer to thee question. Even Alexa responds like that and it is also mentioned in thee official Disney wiki page.

here's the Wikipedia article crediting this video as well en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Channel#cite_note-defunctland-32

You ARE a documentarian. You just unearthed a forgotten piece of history and made it well known. You have made it so this is not a mystery. So than when you simply google that question, everyone can find the answer. And this isn’t your first time. You are an amazingly talent artist, who creates documentaries that bring the unknowns to a place where they can be known. You do truly amazing work.

Wow I’m actually gonna cry now

OMFG THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT EVERYONE ELSE GO HOME THIS GUY WINS seriously this has a CRIMINALLY low amount of likes

Why did that moment hit me so hard? I actually started crying. He's been here the whole time.

😂

lmao william dafoe green goblin meme vibes

What

We need to stop celebrating ignorance

Abhorrent hambeast. I gasped when it appeared on screen

​​@@annaSHRRR In regards to politics, science, religion ... sure. In regards to disney lore? You're sounding a lil silly. Don't get me wrong this video is a masterpiece but not caring about the subject matter has nothing to do with ignorance 😭

i love her she was cracking me up

I lost it at "That's right you got it!" "I know."💀😭

And you ARE a documentarian and artist

absolutely beautiful and im so gald he has been honoured by such a talent like kevins he reallyis an artist

THIS is the documentary about him.

@@fatcat22able This is a video about finding him and who made the disney jingle. Not really a thorough documentary on his life. Amazing video don’t get me wrong but definitely not a actual documentary on him.

@@ramp622 at 1:21:06 that might change your opinion. this is a documentary, but not fully bout him. its a documentary in the search of this man. but youre right there should be another one made that shows his life before and after making the tune.

⁠@@DeathGripsIsOffline696Its certainly a documentary. But more of a documentary on the journey of finding the guy. Not necessarily about his life and accomplishments from start to finish. I don’t even think defunctland would disagree with that. I absolutely adored this video by the way and Im really not trying to argue about anything, im just glad at least some content was produced on this guy who seems to be a pretty amazing and talented person. Much love.

Like the super monkey ball announcer vid

Tweakcat

@@GameScope-nf2wx Game Scope

Donkey

your mom

what on earth are these replies

And both sources are defunctland!

Well isn’t that a nice bow on this whole thing

I just did this for my Amazon Alexa and it worked. Holy crap. I feel like I've just watched the best UKposts video... or rather, the best documentary ever made.

It is. It's so special because you can tell they had so much fun making the music and so much passion for their job. It's so cool to see the behind the scenes of it, to actually see the faces of the things we often don't even consider when just watching tv.

And those companies are major workhorses, as Kevin pointed out.

Shouts to Kevin MacLeod for basically writing the YT “soundtrack”

Aye. I do work in a similar sort of field, and work with some utterly fantastic artists, people who can turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse with what seems like zero effort at all. I could sing their praises for days, and while a huge number of people have seen their work, none would call it art, because… well, it’s in service of advertisements of products. All of this stuff was made by people, talented people who found a way to translate their skills into a steady paycheck, and still got to express themselves along the way. I wish it could all be more public and visible, but seeing one get the time they truly did deserve was a joy.

@@Wraithfighter One wonders if a lot of those artists know they have a gift, but are more on the shy side and prefer anonymity. Like Kevin said, Alex L. tended to leave the room whenever someone brought in a camera.

No comments? 🤨

Honestly I like fastpass but that's because I'm in industrial engineering

I feel like each one does what it does to the same level of perfection.

The Magnum Opus is DEFUNCTLAND. you cannot just elevate one bit over the others. It's all part of the process, of the maturation, that brought him here. (And i personaly found the Halyx episode the most moving and immersive before now weirdly enough it included Kevin going to similar lengths to find out what became of the artists. He might be an even greater detective or cultural video archeologist than artist or documentarian ;))

Right? I wrote a comment on that one that it was, now ill have to go find it and hope i said "for now"

Thanks for the spoiler fuckboy

And thank you for ruining that same moment for anyone who comes after you ❤

@@dillonwalshpvd The moment is only ruined if you scroll down before finishing, that's on YOU.

​​@@dillonwalshpvd Don't read the comments while watching the video! Just watch the video. People come to the comments to discuss after. Spoilers should be expected. Come on, maaaaan.

Spoiling in the comments should NOT be considered normal that’s lunacy

disney channel 2003-2007 was my therapy back then lol. being bullied and living with abusive family, pop culture was my escape and still kinda is. it was nice for my innocent little ass to hear "follow your dreams" and all that other inspirational stuff💖

Hey! thats a little bit rude to everyone else involved tbh. She is a brilitant person though.

She also gave us lifetime, so we have to balance the pros with the cons.

@@thesmirkingwolf I mean u can just not watch it. thats what I do with channels i dont like🤷‍♀

@@thesmirkingwolf Lifetime is bad but good at the same time

Ok

I appreciate a good documentary and this is one of the best I've seen in quite some time.

Here here!!

even as someone who doesn't study this sort of thing it's pretty apparent that long form "video essays" are documentaries for the new generation/age, especially from creators who have thousands of dollars from fans to fund their videos. re: this video tho, it's a bonafide documentary fs.

@@superhetoric what's your intent with this comment?

Hes mastered the craft at this point, he told a story, cut the interviews perfectly, put the music in the right spots, truly a masterwork, cant wait to see whats next!

The way he wrote this out compared to his typical fun straight documentaries is insane. The absolute quality.

I think deep down, he knew. He just lived very out of the spotlight

I’ll join the club of people who didn’t expect to cry watching a video like this.

for the same reason you cringed when Jeff broke the pencil

Because you can relate with his dream, and his soul its beautiful

@@Evansvillebelle Exactly I am only 19 and disney was a big part of my childhood and this video was amazing.

Please dont stop. We never know when this is all gonna be useful again. I love the work you do

Keep up the great work, there is more unspoken appreciation of resources like yours than you know!

I just watched the video, and I guarantee I'm about to spend hours upon hours exploring your site!

I'm appreciative of you all taking the time and use of effort to create the Audiovisual Identity Database (AVID).

Please keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated :)

It felt wrong, laughing at this comment.

LMAO...

came here looking for this comment, was not disappointed

It's truly incredible that Tommy Tallarico was the first American to work at disney

I was literally thinking while reaching the end of the video "Alex Lasarenko is the exact opposite of Tommy Tallarico."

I thought she was going to reply to him saying, "no, that's show business!" lmao

I love how honest she is about how insane that is lmao.

just imagine what else they, and other coporations, and your government sneak in for you over your entire life

Called priming

@@Just.A.T-Rex haha. oh wait, youre serious let me laugh even harder HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAA

Oh my gosh you're that "cyoar" guy

Isn’t that a violation of US law? Subliminal advertising, especially for children.

Was the drink miluk by any chance?

daddy caddy has been spotted in defunctland comment section. (NOT CLICKBAIT)

Conspiracy theorists been talking for years about how Disney is subliminally messaging kids to worship Satan and the Illuminati or some other nonsense but the truth is they were subliminally messaging kids to watch Finding Nemo

ABSOLUTELY! couldn't of said this better myself

Gay

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+2

+3

You live as long as the last person to remember you. May many generations remember some of the artists featured in this doc.

+4

Calm down, buddy

That's the really tragic thing about Tallarico, he is genuinely a talented composer and artist, but unfortunately a planet sized ego and narcissism got in the way of what could otherwise have been a decent legacy.....I've worked with people like him before. Talented, passionate, but constantly in need of further validation and credit regardless of whether they deserve it or not.

Dude I literally came to this after finishing that💀

@@Quivex1 Actually, Tommy Tallarico probably wasn't a talented composer either. hbomberguy didn't bring it up in the video because he had no evidence to support it at the time, but it's since been discovered that many of his songs (including Sonic and the Black Knight and Earthworm Jim 2) were written by his employees or stolen from acquaintances or obscure video games. As more history is unearthed, the amount of Tommy's reputable accomplishments continue to dwindle.

@@prexot2341 obviously it's impossible to know what Tommy did or didn't compose at this point, but he was relatively successful at building the business that he did, and it does take talent, skill and passion to do that. As much as he is obviously a narcissistic asshole, I'm comfortable saying he is (or at least was) a relatively talented musician and composer for a time and was certainly a good producer, otherwise I don't think he would have ended up where he did. None of this excuses all of the terrible shit he did nor does it at all redeem his character though.

@@prexot2341 can’t wait until we find out that his mom is not very proud

I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm glad you got some joy from hearing his voice again

thats amazing, what a coincidence

And that you credit your dad here is downright poetic. Thanks!

This is awesome! So sorry for your loss ❤

I always try to sneak some Kansas City references in when I can, so I had to include an iconic station ID from my home. I'm sorry for your loss. Your father was very talented and I'm glad I could showcase his work here.

Is a documentarion better than a UKpostsr? You have no network to sell or appease your work. You don't have to make a ton of money you can do what you want as quickly as you want.

The two terms are not mutually exclusive.

Give a listen to Orchestral Grooves (also by Alex Lasarenko) it's such an amazing album

I feel like for UKpostsrs, it’s much more of a passion project, by and large. For corps with huge budgets, it’s little more than a payday. Most of the best documentaries or series/stories I’ve seen have been independently made. For example, things like Eddsworld or McJuggerNuggets’ Psycho Series, they have much more soul, love, and creativity than things that corporations tend to put out these days, because they were made explicitly for passion of the craft.

@@Jfam11638 So true.

This guy has so many well done videos it’s unbelievable

That's the element missing from 99% of anything corporate. It's called character. When it's there you'll hardly notice it, or if you do, you won't be putting it into words. But you will notice it when it's gone. Best example I can think of is when Guardians of the Galaxy came out, around the same time as Batman V Superman, and people were confused as to why they felt more emotionally invest in Rocket Raccoon than they did in Superman. And that's the missing element. A little bit of character can go a long way.

@@browngaymethodistjesuschri1361 lo

Thanks for spoiling it

@@chez_calabrese Why you here if you didn’t watch it? You spoiled for yourself.

@@chez_calabrese you literally went out of your way to read the spoilers before the movie

the video was really really good, like 9/10, beforehand, but that reveal easily brought it all the way to a masterpiece for me. One of the best YT videos ever, no doubt.

When he revealed it, I was absolutely brought to tears. It's such an amazing way to honor a man.

godsend

Underrated comment

Film festivals don't deserve it, it's too good for them

Seriously

I was gonna say, really any of his videos could be submitted to a film festival, but I agree that film festivals don’t deserve them

Literally!!!!

Regardless of if they'd deserve it or not. It would and will go far there.

Why would you be talking about 9/11 all year???

This is like. Hbomberguy's oof video with less descent into insanity and exposing tommy tallarico idmdiejd

Seek help

@@zacyquack Kiss me, N-nerd..

​@@zacyquack why

Thanks for ruining that buddy.

“Al” Jesus fucking Christ

@@StillBobbyHillthey meant short for alex

@@tyde4610 I know. Im clowning on this person. Give some respect and stop referring to him like you knew him. Fucking clown

​@@GoawaypleasenowI know everyone has adhd now but maybe don't read the comments of a video you're actively watching still?

it is 4 am and I'm crying. one of the best endings I've seen to a documentary.

Yep. So touching.

@@neoordwellfr

The theme C G A C E D E C that was the opening theme for all the shows back in 02-07

Few things can evoke a more genuine "sunuva b*tch" from me than that revelation

@@SirMatthew For sure. The entire dramatic narrative tone of this video had been fascinating but slightly unsettling the entire time, and to find out it was all to match the tone of Alex's haunting music ... wow. Well done! I have to immediately watch it again with that in mind.

and sinister

I had to try REALLY hard not to cry at that reveal-

What a reveal!

Well said, doodoosprankles

it threw me for not just a loop but a whole damn planetary excursion

Oh my. I'm so glad that I didn't scroll past the first comment. This is literally right below it as I'm typing this. Can't believe I'm saying it but I almost got spoiled on an UKposts video. Well, it's more than just a UKposts video but you get what I mean.

fr its crazy cos like 20 minutes before the reveal i was like aye nice music choice for the bgm

Me too honestly until he said it was a four note melody and I immediately recognized it. I remember after every show id always hum the melody after the breaks, so i guess it worked.

Agree. I was child and preteen from 2002 to 2007 when I sometimes watched some Disney show at the time. Also, I didn't know the original composer name until I watched this video.

Hey Kevin, I work in post-production in LA as a "post-fixer" and a big part of my job is what I call being a "post-production detective", and I got to say, your passion and enthusiasm for this project sounds exactly like my excitement when i figure out that a particular shot is from a reshoot that was done by the third second-unit director that wasn't documented correctly by the UPM because they were being petty and didn't want the new hire to get their union membership hours. I learned a few things watching this, and thought of a few ways that might of been able to help you skip a few monotonous steps. So not only did I enjoy this amazing documentary, but it was career educational experience. So thank you!

Changing the world with his art? A bit much.

@@USMC0331OIF why do people like you exist?

@@USMC0331OIF A small change is a change nonetheless.

@@USMC0331OIF Man the point of the video just completely flew over your head, huh?

@@USMC0331OIF DefunctLand's compelling content on Disney Parks have significantly changed the public discourse on their parks, and recently the changing of CEO. It's not causative, but it is a major presence.

Right there with you.

That was kind of great for me, I had actually been wondering what the music was at several points. It says something when the background music gets your attention, you know?

I was crying too. The amount of love and care put into these documentaries are astounding.

just...fucking tears

Tear ducts went into overdrive upon that reveal. And I tear up maybe once per year. Dude got me good with that little emotional time bomb he planted. I keep coming back to show people the video or re-watch a couple parts for myself, but that is probably still my favorite single moment of the doc because of how moving it was.

Seconding this. It's not just that you're a great researcher, Kevin, but you do the most important work a historian *can* do: taking the past and making it present for the viewer, warts and all. And not just Big History, but stories that might otherwise disappear. Granted, some of those stories involve unspeakable acts committed under the gaze of an orange cat, but we don't get to choose what people do in the dark.

I like this. He's not just a UKpostsr or content creator, because he does more than make known information interesting. He's not just a documentarian, because he's not just documenting information or re-presenting it. He is actively uncovering new information that otherwise would have been lost. Think about if someone tried to do this 50 years from now. Nearly all these people wouldn't be here. They would have no way of answering this question. He is a modern historian, And a documentarian. And a content creator. And that's what makes him so amazing.

Absolutely 👏🏼 👏🏼 The digging up of primary sources is invaluable. A lot of people don’t even know where to look. It takes someone with a niche interest and that special skill of being able to know what questions to ask and where that make an incredible HISTORIAN and documentarian.

@@Wote89 As another historian (finishing up my MA in a few months) the stories that might otherwise disappear are the most important to cover. The fact that nobody thought to record some events is the reason our gaps in understanding of so many historical events is so large; we have to rely on guesswork for massive portions of our history, many of them essential to telling the story of our society. Some of my colleagues would look down on this as "recent" history; it's extremely important to remember that although Alex had unfortunately passed by the time this video was made, the others interviewed had not. Can you imagine trying to find who produced this, or who came up with these interstitials 50, or 100 years from now. Modern history is also history, recording these things for future generations is how they enter the archives, and Kevin is a historian.

@@nate7149 you oughta give more credit to documentarians man their work in itself is a research project (and a lot of good documentarians are often tied with social sciences) Take searching for sugar man - basically the same effort of searching for a person behind the music and see if this is "merely documenting" lmao

It should be nominated for Oscar for real

Short films and mini docs are eligible if submitted meeting correct standards, I’m not sure what they are exactly but I’m sure there’s ways this could be submitted realistically

Jon tron was

He should submit it. This is really top tier.

a twitch stream almost got nominated for a grammy... so its not impossible

What's up with all these generic bot types comments? Everyone in the comments saying the same stuff over and over is if it's a bunch of bots

@@beardedringo5151 Go to 1:20:57. These look like bots without the context.

I agree entirely. The ending gave me chills

@@jonathanoliveira326 I don't even know what you mean. He's just complaining about being a youtuber

@@beardedringo5151 He's a documentarian who publishes to UKposts and is afraid people will see and remember him as you are doing now. Just another UKpostsr.

Fr

So perfectly and succinctly stated.

what a lovely comment

Yes, it's really well done and fun to watch! I learn so many fascinating things I find myself watching videos about things I wouldn't normally be interested in, like the Garfield ride. Lol oh my, that was a surprise!

Such a kind and moving sentiment, and one that I wholeheartedly agree with.

Ok good I wasn't the only one

Bro I thought the same thing

You got posted on his twitter 😂

@@oldjones5353 Yeah, people are calling me dumb lmao. Twitter moment

Came from Twitter to find this comment 😅 honestly, I can see where you're coming from. Those kind of camera pans do usually lead to a plot twist & after Shapeland...y'know.

Literally same, I was DM’ing a friend about how hard the music was going especially around the half an hour mark

Just the fact that the Disney Channel theme is a leitmotif just shows how far off the diveboard Kevin's willing to go.

epithet erased is mid

Spoilers, man, spoilers! 😁 didn't finished it yet 😀

@@delirium341 Never read comments on an interesting video before you're done. Learned that the hard way with some other ones!

This is my second watch a year later and just watching with that knowledge makes me tear up from the beginning. How beautiful

34:13 is a nice bit of foreshadowing for the reveal.

I even read this before i saw it..... still got massive duck pimples

@@jasiucasic was spoilered too...

Only now noticed how old this video was, thought it was a new release

who is she ive been trying to find her youtube channel

Im obsessed with her who is she

@@HuskyGamersUNITE its not too late to delete this comment

@@shmebulocck what was the comment lmao 💀

@@Astrakkun why tho

😂😂😂

I’m watching this doc months after I first watched it and I nearly died laughing again at the September 11th shoutouts.

*Kid:* "I think it's important to be yourself around your friends, and to be able to come together--..." *Kevin:* "Great! We're getting somewhere. A perfectly ordinary clip and n--" *Kid:* "...and have a discussion about _September 11."_ *Kevin:* "AAAAAUUUGH."

Trust me they weren't. It's just kind of fun to point them out. It's a time capsule.

For most of 2002, they were.

Its hillariously Diabolical but also you just gotta shake your head and think "yep thats Disney for ya"

awesome EFT profile pic

It's that kind of devious genius one can't help but respect.

Glad to see you're a fan too RT

Now, get back to playing Lego Harry Potter :)

wait RT is here POG

I was literally watching your stream just a few moments ago

why am i not surprised the man who made lettuce would be also watching Disney documentaries

OH MY GOD! I watch your videos! Fancy seeing you here.

I'm thoroughly pleased that you're here.

Documentary*

If this is the most niche thing you've ever seen, you've clearly not watched much internet stuff in general

😊

I bet Nebula would love to add this content.

You could probably get a Netflix deal and have less viewership than here on UKposts.

This 👏🏻

This made me almost cry. I’m dealing with the death of a family member and this is so true. He wasn’t famous but I can feel his legacy on our community so strongly. Even stronger, now that it’s all I have left of him.

RIP Alex thank you for your contribution

Ikr?! Doesn't matter what medium the video is put out through, this is still 100% a documentary, and Alex absolutely has earned the title of documentarian!

Truth!!

This, this until the heat death of the local galexy

@@megamage911 Alex? Isn't his name Kevin?

@@TadpoleMusics Oh right, I was very tired when I made that comment, brainfart xD

That's not Alex. He's dead.

@@Exzachtly27 yes it is lmfao

@@Exzachtly27 it’s a transcript of an interview he did *before* he was dead.

I thought he was talking about 1:25:11 and thought he might have skipped over parts of the video and thought that this was him.

@@Exzachtly27 yeah no I was talking about the transcript that Kevin showed on screen, where someone else intervied Alex when he was alive.

Stanley ritter

So now you’re the premium viewer.

As a fellow high school musical 2 enjoyer, I agree

jarvis u are everywhere i love it

You’re so right

Oh hey, Jon Cozart, love when UKposts worlds collide!

omg hi Jon

Hi Jon! How've you been?

Mans verified as Paint 💀

That’s because he was a talented genius. We’re not sure he was kind

@@arionthedeer7372 Well aren't you fun at parties

@@arionthedeer7372 Why speak highly of someone mean and cruel?

@@Deadsphere old joke, also doesn't make sense. Why would I ever go to a party with you, an idiot

not to be 'that' guy, but everyone is raised up after they die unless they were really bad or disliked by others. Even you will be lifted way above how people currently see you even by people who barely knew you. Thats just how people are, its the respectful thing to do.

Fr, this was art

Unfortunately, many film festivals will not accept it since it has already been released to a wide audience. They are very weird about these things.

@@GaviLazan besides that but sometimes it's better for something to be on youtube. Just like those who say someone should get a show on Netflix. Defunct land will make more money having this on youtube than a film fest

@@somebodysthrowaway I don't think they are saying one OR the other, but rather both. Like, why not be able to submit this video to a festival even if it's on the channel? If it were the opposite direction they'd be ok since they just want first dibs.

@@GaviLazan most the time your submitting project to film festivals for distribution or be eligible for awards. This is a great video but wouldn't benefit going to. Festival especially when it has +1 million views. Which is close to 5,000- 12,000 dollars in revenue.

The next video be like: Who was the first person to draw the Disney Channel Logo?

​@@NaddleSchidaddleIs it weird that I would ACTUALLY like to know that? Like, what happened to that kid? Where is he now? What about the kids from the "Let's watch a Disney Channel Movie" sequence? We became so used to seeing them as kids that we never thought about the fact that they were real PEOPLE, who went on to live real LIVES.

@@kattrielladoesstuff they are probably parents or something else by now

In the words of Andrea Taylor, “those kids are probably all like parents and decrepit old people now”