DIY Battery Spot Welder - Demonstration & Explanation

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darkkevind

darkkevind

6 років тому

I thought I'd do a quick demonstration while I'm using my spot welder at the moment to make up a 10s4p li-ion battery pack.
*Nickel Strips*
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*Solenoid Relay*
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*Choc Block (Electrical Connector)*
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*Copper Nails*
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*Heavy Gauge Cable*
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*Momentary Switch*
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12v DC Delay Relay Timer - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-DC-Dela...
(To activate the switch that activates the solenoid, NOT to replace the solenoid.)
My Website: kevindark.co.uk

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@jeffreydeutsch7336
@jeffreydeutsch7336 6 років тому
I like your minimalist approach. The advantage of a capacitor bank is you can control how much energy is stored and the caps can be recharged from a much smaller capacity current source. Need more current? Add another parallel cap. Usually they use FETs to dump the caps but I guess you could stay with the solenoid
@MsMyaki
@MsMyaki 11 місяців тому
Making use of the ukposts.infoUgkxcJ22tnHH9l1vjdIdEIG27iOG55P7LXI8 reconditioning plan, I just saved 2 auto batteries from being completely junked. The guides were very simple to follow. I wish I would have found this years ago! You may use the guide to recondition any battery type
@mysticwolf2842
@mysticwolf2842 4 роки тому
As a ham radio operator there are many times that I need to weld batteries this would save a ton not only in money but in time as well, thanks.
@homerocasanga5047
@homerocasanga5047 4 роки тому
Como se hace el cautinsito ese para pegar la lata
@TrevorHeathPhotography
@TrevorHeathPhotography 4 роки тому
very cool, this just appeared on my recommended list, I have some batteries for drills that need repairing so this might just be a great find to make a spot welder. I had no idea how basic they actually could be. Now just have to "get around to" doing those jobs lol. Well done and well explained. 👍
@incith
@incith 3 роки тому
Right..I really want to fix up some old 12v batteries I have for an old kit. I've seen videos of soldering the strips but lordy it scares me!
@sunnyokapi
@sunnyokapi 3 роки тому
This is the same reason I'm looking for a diy spot welding method! Old Durabilt 14.4v tool kit with 5 tools that have lost function because the battery packs are dead
@raymondj8768
@raymondj8768 6 років тому
dude i love it thats the simplest welder ive seen ever thanks im making one today bro good stuff buddy !!!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Thanks! :)
@Mushaz
@Mushaz 6 років тому
Yes this! I have some spare led acid batteries I might try setting this up.
@eliassalazar8084
@eliassalazar8084 5 років тому
stypid 4 batery very esttupid
@FireguyNtx
@FireguyNtx 5 років тому
I know right, never thought just a battery could weld nickel tabs, building one now.
@jb1555
@jb1555 4 роки тому
Such a simple, cheap but effective welder. Exactly what I'm looking for! Top stuff mate!
@KONGCHAKTECK
@KONGCHAKTECK Рік тому
Can share how to build simple welder
@timg7127
@timg7127 4 роки тому
Great video fello! In this crazy time of self isolation (due to corona virus) i am planning to build a 13s4p and was going to invest in a welder. Now i know i have everything to make one, so why not!!!!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
Thanks! Take it easy. Start safe fella 👍🏼
@jackpatteeuw9244
@jackpatteeuw9244 6 років тому
In the US "twin and earth" wire/cable is called Romex® or its "trade name" non-metalic (NM-B) cable. 2.5 mm² is about 12 AWG and it is solid copper.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Jack Patteeuw that's great, thanks for the info for our American friends.
@jimyoung7090
@jimyoung7090 6 років тому
12 awg Romex, got it and Thank You very much.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 5 років тому
You can just call it 12 gage solid.
@garychandler4296
@garychandler4296 5 років тому
@CabinDoor Like most of us who aren't actual electricians, Romex is just a description as well as a brand e.g. Crescent wrench is an adjustable wrench made by Crescent tool company but also many others...we still know them all as Crescent wrenches.
@forsakenaa
@forsakenaa 4 роки тому
@Smattless Find me an electrician that calls it NM-B. I'm in the trade and Romex is the most commonly used term.
@phoobar9640
@phoobar9640 4 роки тому
Nice job, Kevin! Clear explanation and demo. Thanks for including the links for supplies! Gonna put this one to work fixing some old tools.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
You're very welcome! 👍🏼
@allenmckinney9533
@allenmckinney9533 6 років тому
Nice setup. Ive tried using a microwave transformer and got it to work but it was putting out 900-1000amps and it i wasn't careful it would blow holes through the battery tabs. I think I'll try this setup.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Yeah that's too high. Anything below 600A (but above 200A) should be OK. The higher the A the less time needed to create a weld.
@robm5823
@robm5823 6 років тому
With two transformer you could make a stick welder
@davey2k12
@davey2k12 6 років тому
use thinner secondary winding lol I had same prob with 2 wraps of negative battery wire off a car but it works lol
@allenmckinney9533
@allenmckinney9533 6 років тому
dave Yates I tried 2 wraps of 2awg welding lead and 3 wraps of 4awg both had too much amps. I'm gonna try this battery setup sometime.
@stonedsakurastreams7853
@stonedsakurastreams7853 6 років тому
Allen McKinney your name sounds familiar, did we go to high school together?
@Coltrabagar
@Coltrabagar 5 років тому
Love it. So simple and effective for this type of spot welding. Thanks.
@nitin4171
@nitin4171 3 роки тому
Thanks for sharing, I need this one, I will try this, do you have any recommendation or caution that I need to take?
@Inspironator
@Inspironator 6 років тому
Liked and subscribed. This is the simplest and effective one I've ever seen, so I'm definitely making one. Don't think of using that timer circuit. Einstein said, make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. This is the essence of genius!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Inspironator you are too kind :)
@jeffbeck6501
@jeffbeck6501 6 років тому
Einstein was a science shill like you see on youtube, and Tesla was just a photo and text. Tesla never existed, and Einstein was an agent. Do an image search on google for Nikola Tesla and you will see one and only one photo. Enjoy reality.
@jakebarnes3054
@jakebarnes3054 Рік тому
​@@jeffbeck6501 I suppose, I've heard Tesla is fake and he filed more patents than are humanly possible. What's the rest of the story, then? Why would such things be made up- what is being hidden?
@delschier1419
@delschier1419 4 роки тому
Thanks for the video!! I just made my welder just like your video but I put the switch and relay on a board. It worked great first try! Looks as good as any factory made pack's welds. For years I have been trying to get batteries with tabs on them and soldering the tabs together or soldering direct to the battery which I know is bad. Now I can do the job neatly and professionally. Spent less than $20 for the nickel strip and relay.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
That's awesome! 👍🏼👍🏼
@laurabarnes3295
@laurabarnes3295 9 місяців тому
Please what is the round stuff connected to the battery
@mikaellang315
@mikaellang315 6 років тому
Started to build my own battery welding station. I have almost all components already there, but had to order solenoid. One improvement I was thinking of, is to add a main switch between battery positive pole and solenoid to be able to cut off the circuit in case the solenoid melts down. It happened once on my daughters scooter and it was a little bit of a thrilling experience.
@silvergreylion
@silvergreylion 5 років тому
You probably could've have bought the solenoid at a scrap yard for 1-2 $/€.
@fanbmxc00
@fanbmxc00 4 роки тому
Excellent explanations clear and to the point.
@goodiy9592
@goodiy9592 4 роки тому
Very simple but should use timer board & Mosfet to control level
@lemagreengreen
@lemagreengreen Рік тому
Surprisingly effective! Good to know, refurbishing li-ion packs at home becoming more and more of a necessity.
@TedCornish
@TedCornish 5 років тому
Nice one mate, I've just made one. Really handy bit of kit 👍👍
@TheInfoworks
@TheInfoworks 2 роки тому
Hi, thanks for this video, I have referenced it in my recent upload. I have noticed with my setup that it's best to use a partly discharged battery, maybe about 12.5v so that the spot welds are not too fierce. Cheers
@paraglide01
@paraglide01 5 років тому
Thanks for showing your welder. This is by far the simplest design on youtube and it works. I will certainly give this a try.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
Thanks! Good luck 👍
@lurts9820
@lurts9820 3 роки тому
THANK YOU I am converting my longboard to be an electric one. I still need to build the battery pack as premade ones are either sketchy or really overpriced. Most of the spot welders out there are way to expensive for just one battery pack. I was about to give in and buy a premade pack when I saw your video. The solution is so simple that it never ocurred to me. Might spice it up with an arduino to manage the timing as I don't trust myself to nail that.
@jasonwilliam2125
@jasonwilliam2125 2 роки тому
This is a super simple welder and while i am no electrician i am a little bit of a hobbyist and this way of spot-welding was not even on my radar and IT IS SO SIMPLE AND PRACTICAL.
@louischannel123
@louischannel123 6 років тому
fantastic! I've been looking at buying fancy welding kits for a while now
@rafapereira5216
@rafapereira5216 5 років тому
Well done dude! A quick question, can you weld this easy with the 18650 cell anode?
@cyghy
@cyghy 3 роки тому
The simplest construction ever! Thanks a lot!
@glenlevesque2872
@glenlevesque2872 4 роки тому
Hey great setup, effective and simple, just the way I like it! Thanks for the video!
@sniperpronerfmods9811
@sniperpronerfmods9811 6 років тому
You just saved me so many hours, thanks bro, I subed and told my friends of this gold mine
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Sniper Pro nerf mods that's awesome! Thanks! 😁
@johnkosakowsky1168
@johnkosakowsky1168 4 роки тому
@@darkkevind1978 try a coil that will colapse with current like a spring then stick end in mercury
@mulkrajsingh419
@mulkrajsingh419 3 роки тому
@@darkkevind1978 .
@hardergamer
@hardergamer 4 роки тому
I built my own 3 years ago just like this and made a 24s 20p battery using Samsung 30Q cells, Worked very well! :)
@francisguchie1973
@francisguchie1973 3 роки тому
I can believe what i just saw. This is awesome, i have to try this ASAP. Thanks for sharing this video
@patrickscahillii9365
@patrickscahillii9365 2 роки тому
Outstanding, simplicity at its finest. Yet very effective, I'm glad I saw this video as I have some ni cads to replace instead of tossing a good tool. Like I like to say "If it's broke round here I fix it". Thanks for sharing
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 Рік тому
Glad you liked it!
@gabrielfalan7538
@gabrielfalan7538 5 років тому
Also love the video was going to buy a spot welder but will just build one instead so thank you .
@stevew9689
@stevew9689 4 роки тому
me too
@aaronbinder6903
@aaronbinder6903 3 роки тому
That is genus! I love it! I think the only thing I would do extra is maybe attach the switch to the side of your wooden jig you have there. Thanks for your great video!! Aaron
@rattusnorvegicus4380
@rattusnorvegicus4380 5 років тому
Great work,thanks,so easy to knock up,just what I need to assist in replacing the battery pack in my cordless drill. Can a similar method,using simple components, be utilised for spot-welding tin/lightweight sheet metal....or would that require embarking upon one of the microwave transformer projects?
@brens39
@brens39 4 роки тому
Amazing welding, first time I know there’s such a welder !
@Sanjeewasenavi
@Sanjeewasenavi 4 роки тому
How it work
@peterwestyorkshire3016
@peterwestyorkshire3016 6 років тому
What a superb inspirational video! Thanks for sharing. I am an electronics engineer, so am mega impressed with the beautiful simplicity and frugality of this project. I intend to make one similar to yours. However, I do have a couple of thoughts to air. I am totally inspired to make one of these, but I will likely use 2 solenoid relays. Then if one fails and gets its contacts welded together (certainly quite possible, even if yours has not yet failed!). Then hopefully the other one will still always work and release ok. That way much less chance of a 'stuck' on quite dangerous situation occurring. It is unlikely that 2 solenoid relays could both fail with welded together contacts simultaneously. I would likely install one at each end of the battery. I believe this would make the whole thing that bit safer to use. It will also massively reduce the instantaneous contact breaking arc that will definitely be occurring inside of the solenoid just as the contacts are releasing. The second point is that I think you are taking the CCA spec of the battery (and the current rating of the solenoid) just a bit too literally. The battery CCA rating is *not* the absolute maximum current the battery can deliver. It is the maximum current it can safely deliver continuously, for a specified maximum period of time (typically a minute or two). The absolute maximum current it will deliver into a virtual short circuit (as in this case) will be very much greater than 200 Amps. I estimate that in this application, the momentary peak current is more likely to be in the region of 500-1000 Amps! Clearly the battery and the Solenoid relay are momentarily in severe overload. However, this is probably perfectly ok, as the duration is so relatively short. It would be disastrous if the solenoid relay failed to disconnect due to the internal contacts becoming fused together though. Hence why I suggest using two in series. Anyway, I'm definitely going to construct this. Please can I ask where you get the tab strip metal from, and what is the type and thickness? It looks ideal for this battery building project. Thanks again. Peter.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Thanks for the kind words. There really is no worry of the solenoid failing, for if it does, you need only pull at least one of the electrodes off of the nickel (very easy to do with little effort required (I've already had to do it, but not because the solenoid fused)), there will most likely be sparks, but no major harm done. These batteries are very hardy, I've watched a UKposts video where a guy uses two in series to tac weld two car brake discs together!! Nickel Strip: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solid-Pure-Nickel-Strap-Strip-Spot-Welding-battery-12mm-x-0-15mm-12x0-15-40A/263068537518
@peterwestyorkshire3016
@peterwestyorkshire3016 6 років тому
Thanks very much. I've now ordered the nickel strip and a couple of solenoids. I have everything else 'in stock'. You are probably right that there's no real need for two solenoids. They are designed to handle lots of surge current and will probably not fail. However, as they're so cheap I think I will double up on them anyway. It can't do any harm and will give me the peace of mind. I expect it would be easy to pull the electrodes away in the event of a stuck on solenoid but you would have to be very quick. Anyway, thanks again for your help. Peter.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
FYI, I went and bought some pure copper nails (for roof tiles) from B&Q, chopped the heads off and that's now what I use for electrodes...
@aaahtex902
@aaahtex902 5 років тому
Best Hack I have seen for a **MINI WELDER** THANK YOU!
@pranjal3727
@pranjal3727 3 роки тому
I have a deadly mains version of this. A 20 W CFL buld in series with 1000uF capacitor . I used a engine starter relay which complete the circuit and dumps that mains voltage charged capacitor into the spot.
@Thatoneguy884
@Thatoneguy884 5 років тому
I can confirm this works perfectly!!!! You saved me so much time and money thank you!! I got a 230 cranking amp battery from Walmart for $20 and a car solenoid from the local auto parts store and all set up for under $50!!!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
That's awesome! So good to hear of your success. Good work 👍🏻
@marcopinchetti5872
@marcopinchetti5872 5 років тому
@@darkkevind1978 I don't understand what's the role of the solenoid.. what does it do?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
@@marcopinchetti5872 it switches the current through the thick wire from the battery, quickly. So in order to create the circuit, bridge the electrodes on your nickel on top of the battery, you still don't have a complete circuit until you switch the solenoid...
@marcopinchetti5872
@marcopinchetti5872 5 років тому
@@darkkevind1978 Thank you! Still: isn't that what a normal switch does?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
@@marcopinchetti5872 yes, but it handles very high current, which a regular switch can't cope with
@Jer_Schmidt
@Jer_Schmidt 4 роки тому
Thanks for the video! I’m in need of a battery spot welder, think I’ll build rather than buy!
@batgroupcraft7863
@batgroupcraft7863 2 роки тому
this is a weldless technology for the future ukposts.info/have/v-deo/n2Ryq2-xr6qA12g.html​ 👍⚡ 🔧🐥
@ralphkrongold9691
@ralphkrongold9691 3 роки тому
Great Video - However - how does one remove and reconnect cell pairs when they are mounted end to end for a total voltage of 8.4 volts?
@ByBeWebDesign
@ByBeWebDesign 5 років тому
Nice video, I recommend using a smaller inner diameter gasket as it looks like your using 10mm which are designed to go below the wrap not above which is a common mistake by most and in fact by a lot of manufactures. If you watch back the clip you can see some nickle underneath the gasket, using a inside wrap gasket of 10mm for the inside wrap and then another on top using barley paper with a inner diameter of 5mm to 8mm will prevent foreign objects entering the positive cap, just my 2 cents.
@naknakacknak
@naknakacknak 3 роки тому
I'm very impressed. This is common sense at work. It saves hundreds of dollars compared to a lot of other methods using MOSFET'S .
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 3 роки тому
👍🏼
@toddspeck9415
@toddspeck9415 6 років тому
Perfect and simple. Gonna make one. Thanks for showing this.
@mr.blackhawk142
@mr.blackhawk142 5 років тому
Nice setup Kip! Welding, as opposed to the Vruzend method keeps the packs smaller, and lighter for EV use!
@matneu27
@matneu27 6 років тому
Brilliant idea and not expensive. What about the wear out of the relay? DC tends to make light arcs after release the load. In this case almost a short circuit.
@JohnClulow
@JohnClulow 6 років тому
Thanks for the great video! I've purchased a starter solenoid and some short heavy-gauge battery cables, and I plan to give this a try in the next few days. Because I'm using a car battery which would normally have around 600 CCA, the high end of the range you recommended, I am going to use an Arduino Nano with a 5V relay similar to the one you showed in your video to operate the 12V coil for the starter relay. Since you have demonstrated the process is fairly robust with respect to timing, rather than build in a variable time capability, I will just run a series of trials by changing the arduino code until I identify a good interval value to use with my battery. The nice thing is that the 12V battery can also power the ardunio nano so it'll be self-contained and portable. I'll stop back here to let you know how I made out. Thanks again !!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Great! I look forward to hearing about how it went? FYI, a good time for the weld is 0.4 of a second :)
@JohnClulow
@JohnClulow 6 років тому
I will start right there; thanks so much for that information. I think I'll go up and down in 200 mS increments, then, and see if I can identify the limits of the window and then shoot for the center of it. As you point out, that will all likely be dependent upon the current a particular battery and circuit delivers, and, I suppose, it could also then be subject ot change over time. I should be receiving my tabbing ribbon tomorrow so hopefully I'll have some feedback for you by Monday. My initial application, by the way, will be to construct 3-cell serial pack that I want to use as a rechargeable backup supply for an Arduino in connection with a solar array project I'm working on.Your spot welding technique was the missing piece of the puzzle I was looking for.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Glad I could help! Good luck! :)
@CoolKoon
@CoolKoon 6 років тому
Chicago John What's 600 CCA?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
CoolKoon Cold Cranking Amps...
@jameslaine2472
@jameslaine2472 6 років тому
I suggest adding an emergency slow-blow fuse inline, because if your solenoid gets stuck things will heat up real fast!
@jamesfox8930
@jamesfox8930 5 років тому
slow-blows are the best \m/
@fortnitehero4221
@fortnitehero4221 5 років тому
what size fuse would you use please?
@dickphan
@dickphan 5 років тому
Isn't that what the momentary switch is for??
@kevinpeachman8999
@kevinpeachman8999 5 років тому
@@dickphan the button he uses activates the solenoid, the solenoid is the switch that closes the battery's circuit. If the solenoid fails closed there will be no way to safely break the circuit.
@blmdh20s
@blmdh20s 5 років тому
You could use a fuse set just below the cold cranking amps of the battery. I would go with a slow blow fuse like suggested.
@armac4412
@armac4412 5 років тому
Well done! Consider using foot-pedal thingy for switch, it should save you lots of time in the long run!
@robertgaines-tulsa
@robertgaines-tulsa 6 років тому
Great video! I wondered how they attached those tabs. It looks like the equipment is economical to make too.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Robert Gaines is really is. It all cost be less than £20
@aldaochan9110
@aldaochan9110 6 років тому
Hello Darkkevind1978... great video. I am contemplating making my own packs for an electric bike. Question : how often you need to charge the 12V battery or how many welds you estimate from one charge ? Thanks!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Aldaochan I received the battery fully charged and did around 500 welds with it. Then I left it sitting for a month or two. Recently I've need to make up more packs so before I used it, I charged it for a few hours. I'm not sure if it needed or or not but I don't think it did. I'll have to check the voltage. In answer to your question, I don't think very often.
@welshdave5263
@welshdave5263 6 років тому
Awesome, a nice super simple spot welder for battery tabs, always avoided making making a microwave transformer so for a small task. Nicely done!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Welsh Dave thanks mate!
@ofekpearl
@ofekpearl 6 років тому
darkkevind how do you recharge this battery?
@kkarllwt
@kkarllwt 2 роки тому
@@ofekpearl Any 12 volt battery charger. Even a 2 amp charger would work. Ask around. someone you know has one, or, more.
@gasgiant7122
@gasgiant7122 4 роки тому
Great tutorial, I've tried many times to solder these with zero success so might give it a go, thanks
@MrJamesonStyles
@MrJamesonStyles 4 роки тому
I soldered 96 cells together for an ebike pack. With a BIG iron with a super high thermal mass, it's not that difficult, but it's stupidly time consuming. Counterintutively, the bigger your iron, the less likely you are to damage the cell, because you can get that surface hot enough to tin without holding the iron there for a really long time. Still, not ideal, this is a much better method.
@shotgunreloader4964
@shotgunreloader4964 6 років тому
brilliant video. May I ask what is the strip made of an alloy of nickle or pure?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Thanks! It's pure nickel.
@stelic9515
@stelic9515 6 років тому
Thanks a lot Simple and work great . Very good. Can use also solenoid from car starter
@PiefacePete46
@PiefacePete46 6 років тому
As a teenager (more years ago than I like to admit), I managed to weld a spanner across the terminals of a car battery. All I knew was that it made a mess of my spanner... I never considered that there could be a practical application for the "technology" I had invented! :o) Nice useful video, thanks.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
John Colvin haha! I saw that happen as a kid too! My dad dropped it and it stuck! A nice orange glow followed...!
@thegit8698
@thegit8698 6 років тому
John Colvin i did almost the same thing, i shorted the positive to the suspension bulkhead on my mates car while tightening up the lead
@JasonWW2000
@JasonWW2000 6 років тому
This is the basic principle behind stick welders and mig welders.
@drmachinewerke1
@drmachinewerke1 5 років тому
Did you patent it.
@ChrisSmithy
@ChrisSmithy 3 роки тому
@@drmachinewerke1 I reckon only apple would get away with patenting a short circuit across a battery haha
@Beakerzor
@Beakerzor 6 років тому
wow, that looks too easy! how do you control the timing? I didn't see the timing board when you showed the battery, do you just press and let go fast?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Beakerzor yep! Exactly that, just a quick down then up. I've pretty much perfected the timing now, I don't really need a timing board like the one I show in the video...
@siddaramaiahc1307
@siddaramaiahc1307 4 роки тому
He used 12v battery 10-12 SWG (standred wire gauge) two tipped wire piece solder to 2.5-4 square.mm two wire for positive & negetive, one wire connected directly to --another to + of battery in series with a contactor relay (means contactor used for starter motor or any self starting engines) the contactor relay has 2 power terminals & 2 terminals for relay coil, relay coil connected in series with a press button switch between + & -- of battery, when you press the button switch the relay get activated & it connect 2 powerterminals, when both terminals touch the battery cells strip the battery power short circuit which generate heat there by weld the strip with cells, Note :- battery relay of scooter or auto bike is available in scrap yard of bike or new ones are available at all auto bike spare parts stores, regards, Siddaramaiah. C.
@theRonnor58
@theRonnor58 6 років тому
Great job, very ingenious, I love when people share their creativity, thank you.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Ron Northrup thank you :)
@homemadetools
@homemadetools Рік тому
Clever; we haven't seen many of these with a battery. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
@marcosmota1094
@marcosmota1094 4 роки тому
You're a star! The internet thanks you [for] sharing this great method.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
You're very welcome 👍🏼
@captlarry-3525
@captlarry-3525 6 років тому
Extremely useful for those of us who use radio battery packs..only spot welding will yield compact replacement battery packs that will fit the dedicated space available. Thank You ! you don't specify the type of metal the strips are fab'd from ..??
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Capt Larry - thanks! Pure nickel.
@jetk247
@jetk247 6 років тому
Looks like some proper work holding would speed the process immensely. Great video!
@MarioPerez-vb9hj
@MarioPerez-vb9hj 4 роки тому
Increíblemente simple y efectivamente funcional, gracias por compartir
@giaiphaptietkiemnangluong1058
@giaiphaptietkiemnangluong1058 2 роки тому
Such a simple, cheap but effective welder. Exactly what I'm looking for!
@tete7588
@tete7588 2 роки тому
How can i made one like this?
@TheGorignak
@TheGorignak 5 років тому
Two quick possible improvements, first is a foot pedal so you can use both hands and the other is a better handle (think soldering iron with 2 tip and when you press hard it activates the solenoid.)
@adus123
@adus123 5 років тому
He says about a foot pedal in his video
@kevinmasters7189
@kevinmasters7189 5 років тому
Id rather not have the foot pedal. Keeps one hand out of there
@gpoaacbh711
@gpoaacbh711 5 років тому
@@kevinmasters7189 It's 12 Volts. You would be very lucky to even feel a tickle in your fingers.
@kevinmasters7189
@kevinmasters7189 5 років тому
@@gpoaacbh711 i was referring to burns not shock
@shawng5799
@shawng5799 2 роки тому
I saw this this morning and being an old biker I had everything.👍 I put it together but using a car battery and it blows a hole in everything😁 I am going to look at putting the switch in some sort of rig so I can drop something on it and get it consistent by differing the drop height👍 Thanks!
@MrBobWareham
@MrBobWareham 6 років тому
Can I ask a stupid question when charging how do you monitor each cell for balance as I am new to battery packs but loved the video nice one
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Bob Wareham you need a BMS. You'll need one that covers the cells in series you have. So for this pack I'm making, 10s (10 cells in series), I'd need a 10s BMS.
@wolmntn
@wolmntn 4 роки тому
You can also make a larger one using the transformer from a microwave. This is great for small jobs. Nice description of how you did it simple and effective.
@MBaihaki
@MBaihaki Рік тому
Danger Risk of Death, microwave transformers are high voltage, do not even think about using one unless you are a qualified electrical engineer.
@blakeyturnell9142
@blakeyturnell9142 10 місяців тому
😂😅 yeah.....
@John-gm8ty
@John-gm8ty 6 років тому
I almost posted about safety before watching the video to the battery part, I would have made a right fool of myself, this is an awesome on the cheap idea, my hat is off to you good Sir! I'm thinking of trying this myself.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
John Douglas thanks! 😄
@arthurcrosby5755
@arthurcrosby5755 5 років тому
Good work darkkevind! Nice, neat, effective and a relatively simple design. Thanks for sharing, good video!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
Thanks! 👍🏻
@Samally9
@Samally9 6 років тому
Simple and effective!! I always thought about building something similar. Time to dust off the work bench....
@ChrisSmithy
@ChrisSmithy 3 роки тому
Just so you're aware, the CCA rating (cold cranking amps) is like the max safe draw from the battery over a few seconds period in less than ideal conditions ( 0 Fahrenheit i think) and still maintain enough voltage to crank a car (above 7.2v), so using this shorter pulse, in good temps and ignoring voltage drop, the current is highly likely to be more than 200A as a direct short. Not saying this is a problem or anything assuming the battery doesn't start gassing or anything, just that if you're expecting to get 200A and are basing calculations on that, it might be good to try and capture the max draw maybe using a scope on single shot mode and a clamp meter as its highly likely to be well over 200A. Once again, im not being in any way critical, i love the project you've done there and its good to see people not just buying cheap unit that are really over priced for what they are, much respect for doing it yourself, i just thought the info may be useful.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 3 роки тому
No mate, that's helpful, thanks. I'm not sure of the actual current being used when it's shorted for that split second, I just know that to work, it needs a battery with a CCA rating of between 200-400A. But yeah... I should probably measure it 👍
@ChrisSmithy
@ChrisSmithy 3 роки тому
darkkevind it’s just nice to see someone actually making their own product instead of buying junk online which wouldn’t work as well as yours and potentially could be dangerous. The fact is, yours works and the current passing could be irrelevant to you, based on the fact that it works and maybe you don’t need to do any calculations? Once again tho I just want to make sure people are aware I’m not being critical of the project at all, I have a lot of respect for anyone who develops their own projects. I’m a qualified electronics engineer, if I can do anything to help please let me know. To be honest it seems like you’ve got this all figured out but if I can do anything I’m more than willing.
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 6 років тому
Good use of materials.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Old Sneelock's Workshop thank you :)
@stuart8taylor
@stuart8taylor 3 роки тому
Thank you for the video. Did you ever try the timer board for more consistent welds? Also, just to let you know, the link in your description for the delay timer relay is to a different item to the one you showed us. Keep up the good work.
@JustMeBlindFreddy
@JustMeBlindFreddy 11 місяців тому
yeah generally a scatter video, wasting a lot of time.
@ctbully
@ctbully 5 років тому
Amazing how simple this is !
@donsmith2631
@donsmith2631 6 років тому
I used a battery of 285 CCA at 32 deg F. Using the timer, which has a minimum of .16 sec's in a delay off mode, it blew right through a nickel to nickel weld. I think the timer board keeps it on to long. If I manually bump the switch so it is on only a moment it works okay.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Don Smith yep, that's what I found too. I can't find a timer that stays on for the right amount of time... They all seem too long.
@donsmith2631
@donsmith2631 6 років тому
Sorry. Just saw your followup video where you made the same comment about the timer. Yep, a button conveniently located looks to be the answer. I like the nails! Thanks again for the concept!
@davidhenderson3400
@davidhenderson3400 5 років тому
160 ms is too long most welders I have seen for this type of welding have times at or below 25 ms.
@Gunzee
@Gunzee 4 роки тому
3:37 was a good one, listening to the sound it seems like the faster the better. Great setup, I watched a electronics diy channel 'great Scott'. Don't know if you've seen his content. He made a few of these and they didn't turn out well, very complicated. Thanks for the clear explanation, I almost went with a diy pcb solution but this seems much more reliable.
@kristianprokupek6606
@kristianprokupek6606 5 років тому
Nice. What current / pulse width you use for spotting?
@locurr3418
@locurr3418 3 роки тому
May positive energies and will power surround you. Thanks from Danville, V.A Jeff
@HusenZailani
@HusenZailani 6 років тому
May I ask what is the strip made of an stainless of nickle or pure?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Husen Zailani pure nickel 👍
@duramax78
@duramax78 5 років тому
Where do u get it from.?
@bjl1000
@bjl1000 5 років тому
Ranjit Why not get it from a dead 9 volt battery?
@bjl1000
@bjl1000 5 років тому
Where do we get the nickle tab strips?
@markleng67
@markleng67 5 років тому
@@bjl1000 Amazon sells them.
@shaneapps3880
@shaneapps3880 3 роки тому
Mate that was the best spot welder I've seen. I'm an electronic tech and have been trying to build a spot welder but could never get enough current. Yours is a simple and elegant solution. It reminds me of an old NASA engineering story; when they were in the middle of the space race with the USSR, NASA was spent millions designing gravity free ball point pens. Russia used wax pencils.
@DingbatToast
@DingbatToast 2 роки тому
that was a myth regarding the NASA pen. A separate company already made a pressurised pen and they contacted NASA to see if they wanted to use it. (NASA used to use mechanical pencils) After they adopted the pen, the Russians also ordered them for their program. I think they paid around $150 per pen
@DingbatToast
@DingbatToast 2 роки тому
that was a myth regarding the NASA pen. A separate company already made a pressurised pen and they contacted NASA to see if they wanted to use it. (NASA used to use mechanical pencils) After they adopted the pen, the Russians also ordered them for their program. I think they paid around $150 per pen
@tatethompson2648
@tatethompson2648 5 років тому
I love how simple this is. On thicker nickel strip, would you just hold the switch longer?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
Yup 👍
@tatethompson2648
@tatethompson2648 5 років тому
Do longer pulses help with nickel to nickel welds?
@pabloramos2891
@pabloramos2891 5 років тому
Thanks for the video! I need now to replace just one battery from a 4-pack, is there a way to undo it? without breaking the strip?
@albundy5764
@albundy5764 5 років тому
Very precise drilling out the spot welds and making new ones in the remaining strip.
@prelude8697
@prelude8697 6 років тому
Greetings. I was wondering about the power of this spot welder. When you short a battery you have I = U/R where R is the internal resistance. So you have more than 200A going throw the system. If we say internal resistance is about 10mOhm then you have I = 12.6/.01 = 1260A what makes your installation P = U * I = 12.6 * 1260 = 15.8Kw. Is not that way to much for 18650 cells ?
@orcoastgreenman
@orcoastgreenman 6 років тому
Prelude - that 15.8kw is not going through the 18650's... Only heating the metal strip between the two electrodes, melting it and the surface of the metal contact plate on the battery together. Assuming your calculations are correct, it is 15.8kw for about 0.4 seconds. So it's about one 90,000th of an hour x 15.8kw = 0.00017556 kilowatt hours, or about 632 joules of energy put into that small area of metal very quickly, to liquify and weld it, without putting so much heat in that it damages the battery beneath.
@GogeIf
@GogeIf 5 років тому
The power is limited by power source. This battery by its construction cannot ensure more than 200 A, and not for long.
@niniliumify
@niniliumify 6 років тому
Something to be said for SIMPLICITY!
@JaisimhaAllalghatta
@JaisimhaAllalghatta 6 років тому
nice effective yet simplest spot welding device idea seen by me so far. thanks for sharing
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Jaisimha Allalghatta thanks! You're very welcome :)
@weirdiosity
@weirdiosity 4 роки тому
Went to Home Depot today and bought two lengths of heavy 1 O wire each at 2.5 ft or 763 mm. for 8.00 US. And added 1 ft or 305 mm in length of 1/8th inch or 3.175 mm solid copper wire.for 66 cents. or 60 euro cents. I bought a battery of 280 cca for 22.00 at my local walmart. Or 19.90 euro's. All of my parts will arrive tomorrow and I have already charged and tested my batteries for my 52 volt E-bike without a PAS sensor. Thanks for the video as it saved me a lot of money for a possible one time venture!
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
You're very welcome! I hope your build goes well :)
@weirdiosity
@weirdiosity 4 роки тому
@@darkkevind1978 It turned out better than I could have imagined. Thanks for all of your help and the post.
@bobbelsekwol
@bobbelsekwol 6 років тому
Absolutely genius. Ta for the vid.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
bobbelsekwol thanks 😁 you're welcome.
@DaVid-kc3qz
@DaVid-kc3qz 4 роки тому
That is great. I was chewing my brain out to get a microwave thingy to get started. I'll do that one. Great idea. Thanks darkkevind
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
You're welcome 👍
@locurr3418
@locurr3418 3 роки тому
Please never stop tying knots wise fellow for I can see me fishing with you for a long while
@ion-electrics6858
@ion-electrics6858 5 років тому
Hello, can you please tell where did you bought your cells, I live in London thanks a lot man
@BrainSlugs83
@BrainSlugs83 5 років тому
... Don't hot glue batteries together. Batteries heat up when they're under load. -- The glue won't remelt, but it will slowly flow, and end up in the wrong places in your projects over a few months of regular usage...
@lostmyhare
@lostmyhare 5 років тому
Yeah silicone caulk looks just like hot glue, but acts different under heat!
@TheCloudwalkerFPV
@TheCloudwalkerFPV 9 місяців тому
I think he's just using it to temporarily hold the cells together while spot welding them.
@BrainSlugs83
@BrainSlugs83 8 місяців тому
@@TheCloudwalkerFPV And then what? He exposes the batteries to a bunch of heat and melts it off?? Yeah right...
@TheCloudwalkerFPV
@TheCloudwalkerFPV 8 місяців тому
@@BrainSlugs83 Ummm....no. You just simply peel the hot glue off after you spot weld them together dumb dumb. That's why I said maybe he is using it to "temporarily" hold them together while he spot welds them.
@ImranAli-rp4kd
@ImranAli-rp4kd 7 місяців тому
@@BrainSlugs83hot glue just peels off most surfaces, you don’t need to heat it up to remove it
@Kebekwoodcraft7375
@Kebekwoodcraft7375 5 років тому
Nice way simpler than I thought 💭
@viedana8827
@viedana8827 4 роки тому
Thank you for sharing this! Now that a long time has passed, can I ask you about the durability of the solenoid? Are you still using the same one?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 4 роки тому
Yes, still using the same 150A rated scooter starter solenoid :)
@viedana8827
@viedana8827 4 роки тому
@@darkkevind1978 Awesome! Everyone I tell about this is absolutely in denial... will give it a try for shure. Thanks again!
@2000alexgrim
@2000alexgrim 5 років тому
Thank you very much for the excellent video. Where can I get the metal strip to connect the batteries?
@guyt6329
@guyt6329 Рік тому
Ebay or Amazon - but don't go for the cheapest chinese product or you might find it is just nickel PLATED steel - which is a much poorer conductor.
@turbotrana
@turbotrana 5 років тому
This reminds me of the time when I arced my metal watch band between the body of my car and the positive terminal of a 600 amp battery right next to the fender. I must have got the world record in getting a watch off. Still have the scars after 30 years.
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
Lol... My dad once dropped a spanner between the car battery terminals when putting it back in after charging it... Never seen steel go molten before that day.... 😁
@arnielyoutub
@arnielyoutub 5 років тому
i love it, so this is how you do ti ey... nice
@iankerr4347
@iankerr4347 5 років тому
arnieltube.com h
@davidwood8837
@davidwood8837 5 років тому
This is the best working DIY welder I have send. Great job
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 5 років тому
David Wood thanks! 😁👍
@local378
@local378 4 роки тому
Awesome I think I'll mount the momentary switch where your right thumb is though
@chikapake2525
@chikapake2525 4 роки тому
Nice
@johndowd6436
@johndowd6436 6 років тому
So the switch powers the solenoid on/off and keeps you from having the big current that is making the weld from having to flow through the pushbutton? So when solenoid is on, the battery is basically shorted out and puts out as much current as it can, correct?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
Correct. You are basically shorting the battery for .04 of a second each time.
@davidbolha
@davidbolha 6 років тому
Hi, I would like to ask you just one thing - can you use a lower Ah battery in order to achieve this (spot welding that is) ? Like 7,2 or 9 Ah 12 V battery or do you really need one that can output somewhere between those 100 - 200 A ? Ergo what is the lowest current needed to achieve a nice spot weld (using your setup) ?
@darkkevind1978
@darkkevind1978 6 років тому
David Bolha the actual lowest needed is 200A which this battery is. It doesn't matter about the AH rating, just the CCA rating, or max Amp output. Now I've tested with a higher AMP battery (330A) even that may be too high... I've managed to control this though by mounting my switch on my wooden cell holder you see here in this video and pressing on & off extremely quickly! If I pressed with this new battery like I did with the old (in this video), it would melt straight through the nickel.
@davidbolha
@davidbolha 6 років тому
Aha... thanks again for the clarification.
@johnw1385
@johnw1385 5 років тому
hello dark...this is power mosfet... just called to say hi
@southernoffroader78
@southernoffroader78 5 років тому
Brilliantly simple design!
@MrFurriephillips
@MrFurriephillips 6 років тому
I'd be inclined to look into managing the triggering with a foot pedal that informs a microcontroller to do the work - oh, you're showing me & talking about what I'm suggesting!
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