Yes! That really brought it home for me!

I’ve always liked the Bible Project, but this guy comes across as kinda…. Well…. Shall we say… Flamboyant.

@@JackWhitehead1981 and so what??? Why are you judging him?

yoo! Magic Mike :D lol funny seeing you here 😂

@@langstonj2476 Oh hey 👋😂

Me too :) 🌟💛

My thoughts exactly

me toooo

oh really? Keep saying that to yourself during the actual painful delivery, which is REAL, and which the video doesn't address.

Prayers to you and your husband ❤🙏

@@eucharistangel4662 k

@@krkf8 thank you ♥️

Took us 5 years to conceive our first. We refused interventions. 14 years later we have 8. 3 are in Heaven waiting on the rest of us. I told God our family was His story to write and I was submitting to whatever He wanted (I thought 0 kids), I fell pregnant right after that prayer.

Same, I know God doesn’t hate women, but it’s hard to read scripture without this kind of understanding. With pregnancy and periods, and just life as a woman on this planet (especially us as black women). Many of us run to the scriptures to make sense of what is happening to us. But so many of us are let down when we read what’s there. God bless you Tim. You’ve helped me understand God much better. God is good, and doesn’t hate us.

Hello how do you reconcile your faith to your content?

@@sambeard5208 have I posted anything that is heretical ?

It was a punishment for sin from ya'll foremother eve.

You're so pretty, you look like a doll :D 🤍

Surrender all

Wow this makes so much sense thankyou!

Yasss I totally ageee with you as there is a saying if it’s stressing you out let God lead cuz in his word it says Donit be anxious or worry about anything but insupplicationand in prayer only so cast it all to the Lord

Amen!

This is exactly my interpretation also. Raising children is hard, in every stage. There is joy and peace and triumph but it’s still very hard for many different reasons.

Wow! Yes!! All of my own childhood trauma comes back in the way I respond to my children when they’re “misbehaving”. It’s the most painful part of motherhood for me because then I’m filled with guilt, my children are sad or feel ashamed themselves, etc.

Remember. God removed the memory of those muscles after we gave birth. We know that it hurt to go through it. But we dont remember what it felt like. ❤

..and walk in that same correction that you give your children. It makes a difference

So adopt basically

Hi Kym, would you mind helping me understand? I watched the video twice and for some reason I still do not understand what the verse was intended to mean.

@@rebone6550 sure. As I understand it, God’s message to the woman was that what will come to pass as a result of what she did will be an enormous increase in her sorrow and pain. [What-will-come-to-pass) is birthed out of her decision to rely on that serpent’s words rather than her Creator’s words.] Her desire was to her husband - not to her God - and it [her desire] ruled over her. In sorrow/hardship/toil she will bring forth children …this is not the birthing process. It is the parenting process. God had blessed them saying be fruitful and multiply…. That blessing was no longer applied in its pure form. It was corrupted by Eve’s decision to turn away from her Creator.

@@kymdickman8910 ohkay, I understands. That is kind of sad if you think about it. So simply put, originally being a parent was still going to be somewhat difficult but not as difficult as it is after the sin of adam and eve? But I guess it makes sense because it's like after they ate the fruit, they "knew too much" and sometimes "knowing too much" of something may bring a level of frustration, worry, and sorrow ESPECIALLY if you are a parent 😅... but I don't know, I'm still wrapping my head around this verse. Though I understand what you are saying. Thank you for shedding some light

@@rebone6550 you’re welcome. It’s not that they knew too much; it’s that they didn’t have all knowledge about everything. Knowing Good and Evil without omniscience is deadly.

I think the last bit that Tim dropped was that about conceiving, how it will be so random that its not all about childbirth but the whole process of conceiving, including infertility, stillbirth, and grief of losing a child. Which is all true when the tree of life was taken away from Adam and Eve, the consequences of death and life had never had such a meaning until that day.

Oh Lord may this be my testimony!

Cause you're a motha-lovin gangster that's why 🔫

I thought contractions are necessarily painful? (I don't know much about pregnancy sorry)

I've have 6 children. All painful and long labors. 3 natural..last one homebirth, which was my best birth. Regardless though, many women experience great pain in childbearing.

How is your experience logical to what the truth is ?

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Nonsense. Pain in childbirth is REAL. The little one never just comes out like toothpaste from a tube.

not one bible scholar on earth would agree with you.

This is great point that I was also wondering.

mind blown I love that

Yes, but nowhere in this video did he speak to the FACT that actual labor pains are REAL. Children do not just SLIDE OUT LIKE TOOTHPASTE, so it WAS God's intention, period, case closed. If that fact is not acknowledged first, I reject any further conclusions.

@@eucharistangel4662 But notice how most women right after birth dont even mention pain, they are so elated that they child has arrived, the completely "forget" the pain They all speak of a euphoric feel, that scientist themselves have yet not been able to explain "halo effect"

@@Godwill3 Ummm... Jesus said it 2000 years ago, so I didn't need the reminder. I trust you know the verse?

Can you explain in a simple context of what the increase in child bearing means? Does it mean that he increased the pain in giving birth or something else?

It is just so wrong to see many Christian’s women who simply believed that they are being cursed by God to go through the pain of childbirth. Why is it that people who called themselves Christians not exercise their faith by entrusting their birth to God? God is the creator of our lives and sexual reproduction and childbirth is of God as well. Since God created childbirth, shouldn’t we believe that God is in control of the birth process? Pain and discomfort is a definite thing because the human body was designed with a smaller birth canal and that is the price to pay for being able to walk on two legs instead of four. The pain is further elevated because women today have so much fear and anxiety even before they go into labour while medical practice actually made women lie in a position that causes even more pain just for the convenience of the doctors. We should be grateful to be human beings because some animals have it much worse than us. Just imagine some species of cats, the male penis have spikes and imagine the kind of pain the female cat goes through while having sex. Some other female animals like raccoons even give birth through a long penis liked structure. Imagine the kind of suffering. Women do have the privilege of creating a new life within their body and they have the ability to nourish their child both during and after pregnancy. That is something that men will never be able to experience.

@@kennethfokI see it as a curse because it is a curse.

@@wft15It isn’t exactly a curse. But it’s more about test of the woman’s faith in God. Will she rather put her trust in God during difficult moments like childbirth? Or will she rather rely on her own strength and end up being in fear and with lots of anxiety? It is the fear and anxiety that results in the woman going through more pain because her muscles tense up. Any random man that impregnates a woman do not feel her pain during childbirth. But if the pregnancy happens within a marriage that is instituted by God, the man will feel it because he is with her throughout the pregnancy right all the way till childbirth. Marriage is sacred to God, the whole sexual union leading to conception is sacred, even the moment of childbearing and breastfeeding is sacred. They are all made in the image of God. So the question to many modern women today is will you trust God during childbirth or will you rather suffer more pain because you relied on your own strength? No one forces anyone to make a particular choice. Even God does not force you to make a choice. It’s up to every individual to decide but God clearly spoke about what will happen when one chooses either of the choices.

@@kennethfok what a load of nonsense!

Gods name is so holy that godly Jews wouldn’t speak it or even write it down.

@@brianevans4 Yeah they’ve done a video on it before!

That makes so much sense, I like that interpretation!! I really appreciate how you used the same word, "labor", in the contexts of man's "curse" and the woman's "curse". The words look the same but mean two totally different things but it's such a cool parallel!! Thanks for that :)

Wow 👊

We disobeyed and dishonored the only true and loving God and abandoned his ways and chose violence for our lives.. his response as a merciful father is not to destroy us but like Tim said in reference to Hebrews 12, for our own good, as a means to discipline and teach us to trust him and his good ways, he lets these pains take course.. just as we discipline our kids for their own good.

I'm no biblical scholar but perhaps man's toil is a bit more significant than it seems. Famine drought, plagues etc.

Plus women are bullies. 😁

women suffer from famine, drought and plagues too tho@@stardogMLB

And there is many more! Happy hunting: See Revelation - Hell is cast in to the Lake of Fire Burning with Brimstone. Without translating, we have issues right away. The common teaching is Hell is the place of infinite judgement; but this passage says something contrary. Translated: Hades(grave-pit, u seen in Hebrew sheol) is cast in to the lake of fire(PUR)…Brimstone(sulphur, which is essential in metal purification) and TORMENTED ( Basanos-A touchstone: black silious stone used to test purity of precious metal; hence the verb because of extreme pressure rubbing against the object to reveal a streak). Totally different image!

What does it mean by he will increase the sorrow and conception doesn’t that mean a painful child birth how do u understand this?pls explain it to me

@@laurenrtyy well, in this they talk about the way that “sorrow in conception” is interpreted as. “Sorrow”, I guess, basically means that you will have children and it will cause you grief. The “curse” was telling them that “this” was their new normal now. The “grief” he is referring to, isn’t just limited to the immediate and temporary pain associated with bearing a child, it extends beyond that, into the children sinning and falling away. If that makes sense. The “curse” for eve, wasn’t “just for eve” just like the “curse” for Adam wasn’t just for Adam. Of course women deal with the curse on the ground as well, and men deal with raising children as well. So if interpreted in this way, this includes both men and women in both curses. It makes sense this way, at least to me after watching this video. I was also always told that pain in childbirth was the curse, but if that was true, then why do animals experience the exact same thing. In fact, there are animals that have it far worse than humans. If you ask for the “Why?” In everything, you will have an eternal stream of questions. This “curse” may have been the answer to the “Why?” When asking about why childbirth is so painful. But when analyzing the original context, it doesn’t seem that simple to me anymore. As for WHY childbirth is so difficult, it’s probably because it’s sacred. No GREAT WORK in this life, was meant to be achieved easily. The greater the reward, the greater the sacrifice. If that makes sense. Bearing children is no laughing matter, nothing to take lightly, but so is the very concept of bringing a child into this world. It’s perhaps the most sacred thing that any of us can do. If it was easy, it would be almost insulting. Children would be seen as a “Whatever” sort of thing. That would be very bad.

@@jasminejensen4632What you said does make sense. The greater the reward, the greater the sacrifice. Many consider it unfortunate and a curse upon women to go through child birth with great pain. But I’m sure that for the Godly women who have given birth, they see the pain in a different way. To be able to go through such pain to birth a new life into this world is indeed empowering. And the feeling of being able to create a new life with their body is something that only women will be able to fully appreciate and understand. While it is painful, God did not allow women to go through it alone. The institution of the marriage union makes the whole process from trying to conceive right up till child birth something that is sacred and shared between a man and a woman within their marriage. Child birth pain only happens during child birth, but men are continuously toiling just to provide for himself as well as his wife and children. And because of the sacredness of the marriage union, couples enjoy sexual intimacy and procreation without the woman thinking about the pain until the actual birth process.

@@jasminejensen4632That’s a great explanation. It is true that some animals have it worst than us humans. And it was God’s desire that we humans enter the sacred union of marriage before having children. Even the act of sexual intercourse is considered sacred to God which is why premarital sex is a sin to God.

No, we don’t bear two curses because that passage was not necessarily literal in that only men will have to work in the world. Both man and woman transgressed, but woman was cursed to painful childbirth and submission to her husband because she was the one to initiate the sin.

Sister, I also see no reason why a woman should suffer the pains of childbirth. But wanting your brother to suffer the same amount of curses as you are is not a Christian. Normal childbirth is much healthier for both, but no man who loves his wife and children will prefer that they suffer with pain, not even the pain of work that the modern world requires.

I see what you're saying but when we have trouble conceiving or have those terrible thoughts that it's somehow our fault, I'm sure that our male partners feel the same grief. I think that in a way we both bear the consequences of both "curses". We both toil and work hard but we are also both affected by the grief or anxiety around conceiving.

As I understand it, God did not punish Eve and Adam directly when they confessed what they had done. He cursed and punished the serpent.. and cursed the ground for their sake. As a consequence of their choice they had to fall from the presence of God and experience sorrow and pain. But God expected this and provided a plan of mercy for Adam and Eve and their posterity to be redeemed. Eve was told her sorrow and conception would be multiplied.. other translations say God multiplied her “pain in childbearing,” but I think it is interesting that in the KJV it says He will multiply her “sorrow and conception”. Conception means fertilization in the womb, but also means the growing of thought, idea, design. I believe God was saying to the woman that he would multiply her sorrow in childbearing, but through that experience he would multiply her wisdom and design by having this very intimate knowledge of sacrifice for another life… something that would give her a very real and personal connection to and understanding of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God then told Eve that her desire would be to her husband and he shall “rule over” her. As I understand this phrase, this means because of the weakness childbearing and rearing would cause in her, she would desire help and need to rely on the strength of her husband. He would not rule over her as if he were a king and she were a mere servant, but rather it was more the idea that he was to watch over and protect her and their family, like a shepherd over a flock.. standing in authority against any threat that would seek to destroy or take His flock.. in this he would gain an intimate knowledge of the role of Jesus Christ as our shepherd and defender. Remember all of this is very symbolic of Jesus Christ, his role and relationship with the church. Christ said we were to be joint-heirs with him, not lesser-heirs. God had commanded Adam that Eve should remain with him and that they should multiply and replenish the earth, so when she partook of the fruit she would be seperate from God and Adam, so in order to obey God’s other commandment, that she should remain with Adam and they should bear children, Adam took on the transgression of Eve and through the seed of the woman (born Jesus Christ), they would be saved. Don’t look at the suffering we have on earth as a curse or punishment, but look at it as an opportunity to come more intimately acquainted with God. Also the idea that a husband is above the wife in station and that the wife must ‘remember her place’ is simply false. Christ did not model the relationship that way. They are to be one, as God commanded.

Oh goodness, I don't think that theology professor ever read the gospels. Why then, would Jesus had suffered on the cross?? Cool side note though, you can deliver a child with out meds Or pain. God lead me through a miracle birth like that. I was singing and praying and worshiping right to the end and never felt a single bit of pain. Nothing wrong with my pain tolerance, I definitely felt the contractions that after and those definitely hurt😂 not as much a s I imagine labor would have. I think God let me feel that so that I really "got" that I had experienced a miracle. When we keep our eyes on Him we are able to do endure anything :)

An you went thru pain during each and every one of them, so WHY THE HELICOPTER are you praising this video which seem to suggest the pain is all in the woman's head and really means something else! Now wake up!

@@eucharistangel4662 I understand :)! I believe all pain is a byproduct of the sin infection. But this clarification of the curse illuminates in a way that’s liberative. Perhaps you’d need to be a mum to understand. Blessings!

My heart is with you for your loss