DOUGLAS MURRAY vs SAM HARRIS vs JORDAN PETERSON on GOD

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@Pangburn
@Pangburn Місяць тому
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@cameronmeikle6766
@cameronmeikle6766 9 днів тому
Stop copying old UKposts shows . Do something that's harder your a thief .
@stacypastry2440
@stacypastry2440 Місяць тому
I'm not a believer in any religion, as for god, I'll just say i don't know. My brother and sister in law recently lost their 7 year old son. They very much are Christian believers and it is clear to me that their belief has helped them through this. To be clear, he suffered from a severe accident of birth and wasn't expected to live at all, much less smile and laugh. I don't know what my point is other than seeing this couple go through this for the past 7 years has been so sad and impressive. I can't really make sense of how strong they are.
@Camille_Anderson
@Camille_Anderson 29 днів тому
I'm so sorry for the terrible loss of your nephew at such a young age. As someone who believes in god but freely accepts scepticism, I'm glad they have found comfort in their faith. I found faith a tower of strength through grief too.
@sandrabonner1694
@sandrabonner1694 27 днів тому
They will see him again in heaven.
@sTraYa249
@sTraYa249 21 день тому
Whatever Sandra says😮​@@sandrabonner1694
@TTFN55
@TTFN55 17 днів тому
All I know is that my parents never actually recovered completely from the loss of their first child, their only son, and wouldn't have survived it as well as they did without their belief in God. About 18 months after that gut-wrenching event, Dad lost his leg and before he'd recovered physically/mentally I was born.
@cameronmeikle6766
@cameronmeikle6766 9 днів тому
It's about the important moral messages from biblical stories not a big bearded man in heaven . Harris is ignorant .
@2nostromo
@2nostromo Місяць тому
Those chairs sure look nice.
@bblackburn1823
@bblackburn1823 Місяць тому
Symbolic of wisdom and power.
@Fractoide
@Fractoide Місяць тому
They're meta-chairs
@jmarici5801
@jmarici5801 Місяць тому
They’re intellectual, debating chairs.
@2nostromo
@2nostromo Місяць тому
@@jmarici5801 "Let us embark on a cerebral odyssey of unparalleled comfort and intellectual indulgence, for behold the majesty of the overstuffed, plush throne upon which we convene! As we recline upon its opulent cushions, we are not merely seated; nay, we are ensconced in a veritable fortress of ergonomic enlightenment, where every curve and contour conspires to cradle our weary bodies and elevate our minds to lofty heights of philosophical discourse. This chair, dear friends, is not merely an object of utility; it is a testament to the triumph of human ingenuity and the apotheosis of comfort! Behold, as ideas flow more freely than the finest vintage wine, nurtured by the gentle embrace of this luxuriant marvel of upholstery! Verily, I declare that in the presence of such a chair, the very fabric of reality itself seems to warp in deference to our intellectual pursuits, creating a vortex of erudition and conviviality that transcends the mundane confines of ordinary seating arrangements. Let us, therefore, raise a metaphorical toast to the power of fancy chairs to elevate not just our bodies, but our very souls, to the pinnacle of intellectual enlightenment!" How's that?
@GenXgirl969
@GenXgirl969 27 днів тому
That’s funny, they immediately caught my attention, very nice!
@beerman204
@beerman204 Місяць тому
In a world being led by suspect characters these adults are reassuring that all is not lost ....
@wanderingstar5270
@wanderingstar5270 13 днів тому
These characters are suspect too lol
@benjaminshort3181
@benjaminshort3181 Місяць тому
My one critique of Peterson is that the gets so excited and emotional about what he wants to share that he sometimes talks over his opponents.
@onegorgeouschick
@onegorgeouschick Місяць тому
Sometimes 😂
@truthTramp
@truthTramp Місяць тому
Yes, indifference and coldness are much better strategies.
@peter3835
@peter3835 28 днів тому
OBVIOUSLY SO becauae the level of his knowledge on certainsubjects is far superior to others
@sTraYa249
@sTraYa249 21 день тому
​@@peter3835 OK Mr angry
@peter3835
@peter3835 21 день тому
@@sTraYa249 you don't agree ?
@DatKidJohnny
@DatKidJohnny Місяць тому
Probably three of the most eloquent public speakers. They have been so On Point on our Western civilization issues. For years now.
@Fractoide
@Fractoide Місяць тому
I feel like Jordan Peterson went a bit downhill recently, now it's like he's basically pandering to a specific kind of right wing audience (the ones that make the most noise on social media)
@truthTramp
@truthTramp Місяць тому
​@@Fractoidenonsense 🙄
@Fractoide
@Fractoide Місяць тому
@@truthTramp oh yeah? What about him using the exact same talking points as climate change deniers?
@willie549
@willie549 26 днів тому
Until they get bought ...
@TTFN55
@TTFN55 17 днів тому
@@Fractoide - Yeah, what the hell does Dr. Jordan Peterson know? He just sat on the UN-IPCC Council for two years.
@seancarver1
@seancarver1 25 днів тому
3 great minds :)
@oldchannel2015
@oldchannel2015 18 днів тому
I can't thank you all enough for bringing such controversial , non bias, individually open and honest , respectfully diversified conversations of meaningful substance, to the world .. Especially at a time in the world when we need role models, in this very nature of constructive conversations, and communication skills.. What a treat this was.Thank you! xoxoxo God bless! 💞
@CrisPalacios-nj1ef
@CrisPalacios-nj1ef 16 днів тому
People say we’re in a Holy war. I became a Biblical Christian, in 2016. Although I completely believe in God, I was subject to an anomaly, last summer. I have so many pictures and videos. I have an open case with MUFON.
@margokupelian344
@margokupelian344 17 днів тому
Peter Kreeft would be a better moderator in this “debate”. He would have brought some sense into this discussion. The man is Wise (with a capital W), very knowledgable and knows more about life both in practical and spiritual sense. As for JP, I always enjoy listening to him.
@PinkyBar374
@PinkyBar374 Місяць тому
Those emotion body gestures and speaking hands is phenomenal , particularly from JP, try mute the dialogue, watch the body language. That speaks volume. Tis quite the wee dance.
@thehourifirstbelieved3655
@thehourifirstbelieved3655 7 днів тому
It’s so nice how they actively listen to each other, the respect is great, it’s how conversations should be praise the Lord
@PinkyBar374
@PinkyBar374 Місяць тому
Was this chat recorded in 2018? I read the fine print and see original content uploaded then? Jordan did insist that no question is stupid. Also I would like to applaud you on those chairs, they are mighty fine! 😊
@sukoo1
@sukoo1 17 днів тому
Yes it was... I'm not sure why it's being reposted by this channel randomly now....
@TheUndergoundMan
@TheUndergoundMan Місяць тому
Rationality is not enough because people are not able to always be absolutely rational, we are forced not to be rational in some situations. For example people who get cancer need hope, even when they know they are going to die. They, along with their family members are hoping and they think there is a possibility they will somehow get better until the very end. I absolutely think being rational is not good in some situations and that's why we developed tendency not to be rational in every situation. From pure evolutionary perspective we developed this tendency because it helps us survive.
@ianpollard4501
@ianpollard4501 28 днів тому
Is this new or a old video?
@summan41man
@summan41man 24 дні тому
Old
@aaronwhidden3885
@aaronwhidden3885 Місяць тому
Does anyone get a modern day Plato vs Aristotle dialogue kind of vibe?
@laurenscolson9968
@laurenscolson9968 Місяць тому
More Freud and Jung, really
@MrUndetermined
@MrUndetermined Місяць тому
nah
@kingfillins4117
@kingfillins4117 Місяць тому
No one of the quandaries of love is that it can exist in a completely irrational state. Rationality is one of the drivers of human behavior. Feel the Fear, and do it anyway. You can argue that there is a rational behind the irrational, such as an alcoholic, but it’s still irrational. Nihilism, self-destruction, deprivation self degradation etc.
@user-en7qb5mw1k
@user-en7qb5mw1k Місяць тому
A negationist approach, called neti neti in Hinduism, brings one closer to or at least makes an attempt at approaching truth in contrast to faith that negates rationality. Hinduism has the puranas that use stories to impart deep philosophy, vedas and yoga including meditation which is dhyan yoga show how to invoke subtle energies through particular actions, upanishads are pure philosophy, sankhya combines both,
@cammeag1965
@cammeag1965 25 днів тому
The whole point was nailed by JP right at the beginning. How do we convince billions of people to live good, charitable and neighbourly lives without a proper reason except it is good for everyone. We need God. Our Father laid down within every human the ability to love, help, care for and sacrifice because we know He sees us and our reward is in communion with Him. Without that ultimate reward, only a very few people act on their better qualities rather than their urge to steal, take advantage of or damage.
@harkema8090
@harkema8090 Місяць тому
Does dr. Peterson makes the discussion not unnecessary too complecated? 😮 ( honestly I like this discussion, because dr. Peterson gives extensive explanations causing my brain making noises 😊 )
@theeratchat.1948
@theeratchat.1948 Місяць тому
"WOW! Thank you so very much to all who contribute to this. Dr. Jordan B Peterson is a remarkable character, as always." God Bless you all. 🙏
@polarisjustdothework2258
@polarisjustdothework2258 28 днів тому
2:03:53 Our world is not shattered by religion, it is shattered by human behavior and human choices.
@rossmcgowan123
@rossmcgowan123 Місяць тому
Is this a new discussion?
@janklaas6885
@janklaas6885 Місяць тому
📍2:55:31 2📍2:42:12 3📍3:14:55
@user-en7qb5mw1k
@user-en7qb5mw1k Місяць тому
Truth is a pursuit and becomes dogma once you believe you have attained it
@antiochiaadtaurum3786
@antiochiaadtaurum3786 Місяць тому
true enough
@DeshCanter
@DeshCanter Місяць тому
Sounds like you believe that dogmatically. 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️
@thejellyman2280
@thejellyman2280 Місяць тому
Love listening to conversation ls like this. They are conversations than need to be had in order for atheists and religious believer alike need to hear both sides of the story and to help formulate their own ideas instead of blind following one thing or the other.
@CityBoiATX
@CityBoiATX Місяць тому
Only Atheism allows for that. Believers start with presuppositions they’re unwilling to question. They aren’t formulating anything. They used blind faith to believe then accept it dogmatically.
@rogerengland2821
@rogerengland2821 18 днів тому
Regret never comes before it always comes after.
@lisabenoit5147
@lisabenoit5147 15 днів тому
To describe anything ethereal, unseen and spiritual in nature ... we go through a process of manifesting a picture. In other words, we 'flesh' it out ... make it 'real' ... aka, we USE the SEEN things in life to describe the unseen realities of those 'spiritual beings' ... you know, like what we refer to AS our THOUGHTS or feelings or our imagination. Yes, those heavenly beings of us people KINDS. We are dynamic beings ... like 3D but really more like 4D [ mental beings, emotional beings, physical beings ... spiritual beings] - so "Picture this ... like in your mind" ... can you SEE ... what I mean? All that to say is that we need to use the physical tangible things to properly PICTURE in our mind how to describe intangible areas of reality. It WHY 'Stories' help shed light. People relate better thru stories ... and people with the ears to hear ... will HEAR higher meanings through the power of the Holy Spirit. GOD speaks all the time. His Voice, His spirit is organic and personal ... not robotic and contrived. Robotic and contrived ... aka 'carved out' and repeatedly practiced is that of a religious nature. God's real and He is BOTH Consistently TRUE and trustworthy ... AND ... He is fresh, ever-flowing and very relational ... very personal. Notice the [ AND ] part in the middle ... that [ + ] SIGN in the middle of those TWO extremes. Those Two ways are the ONE solid WAY of God ... and 'should' ... also be of mankind. BE Blessed
@sassyrobin420
@sassyrobin420 13 днів тому
Amen
@johnaaron6962
@johnaaron6962 6 днів тому
Loved this talk, hate the sound guy! JP rules!
@anettesandgren3338
@anettesandgren3338 Місяць тому
To dangerous to try things out, so true so true!
@BrewmasterN8
@BrewmasterN8 5 днів тому
2:50:00 oh that's why Jordan always says he acts like he believes in God. He means what he says. He doesn't believe, he acts like he does. He called them fables.... Technically true because they look the same from an objective view, but they are very different if you're faithful. On this stage, are three men in agreement that speak very well and are well studied. This is not a debate.
@tanyamalan6234
@tanyamalan6234 Місяць тому
Jordan Peterson's lobster tie, made me smile, and giggle! I'm sure it wasn't worn by chance!
@bblackburn1823
@bblackburn1823 Місяць тому
Jordan posits that there are similarities between lobster and humans social hierarchies, neural networks, and chemical transmitters.
@CityBoiATX
@CityBoiATX Місяць тому
Jordan Peterson- “if you’re not very smart it’s better to be conservative”
@mickeymorrissey
@mickeymorrissey 24 дні тому
It’s true. It’s like using a calculator to get the right answer. You don’t fully understand WHY you’re right, but at least you’re right.
@coby9408
@coby9408 25 днів тому
It’s funny seeing people in comments sections acting like they are so much better than these guys. All the criticism and no ideas of their own!
@Reachedforjunk
@Reachedforjunk 10 днів тому
What is this? About some law being enacted. Inspired from Scarlett Johansenn playing some role or some such?
@thehourifirstbelieved3655
@thehourifirstbelieved3655 7 днів тому
As thoroughly engaged in this debate as I am, I’m realising that it’s harder to argue against the existence of God than it is to just simply accept.. but God is so good that he gave us a brain and mind to figure it out through battle yes, but figure it out nonetheless
@user-en7qb5mw1k
@user-en7qb5mw1k Місяць тому
The rig veda is over 30,000 years old, passed on orally fir thousands of years before it was written down
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
You cannot take away the things that you were gifted from the generations of tomorrow under the guise that you are making their path safer All things all people say is valuable These aren't mere statistics These are rites
@arieswar4770
@arieswar4770 Місяць тому
If only government congress in any country can converse like this :-)
@Just1morehour
@Just1morehour 9 днів тому
Something very Vampiric about the scene of this debate…lol…but I enjoy all the info brought forth!
@nicholasmacdonald1
@nicholasmacdonald1 3 дні тому
I’m fond of JP, but he irritates me so because he doesn’t seem to realize that “belief in belief” just doesn’t work. You can’t will a dead god back to life. We can only go forward and endure the world that is to come; there is no alternative.
@TheGiantMidget
@TheGiantMidget День тому
The new wave of christian apologists are like the last remaining pagans of the roman empire before it crumbled and the new christian religion took over. There is no going back, once the secret to the magic trick has been revealed the trick is ruined for good
@michaelboskovich6948
@michaelboskovich6948 26 днів тому
Love Douglas
@spagbolflippertygibbet7139
@spagbolflippertygibbet7139 Місяць тому
THIS IS OLD 🤷‍♂️
@chelebeaqueen
@chelebeaqueen Місяць тому
...my husb' and i were just talking about this having happened more than 6 days ago!
@johngregory5424
@johngregory5424 Місяць тому
Ask Mr Murry about the July 2007 celebrations throughout Israel.
@noleenole8254
@noleenole8254 Місяць тому
Wish Jonathan Pageau would have been there
@oxfordbambooshootify
@oxfordbambooshootify 17 днів тому
It seems peterson believes some form of religion is necessary in a healthy society despite himself not believing in the conventional concept of god
@thecarolthomasshow4809
@thecarolthomasshow4809 27 днів тому
G-d is good. We need the lord. We need something to hold on to. I am not religious, I was raised christian and have been through varying degrees of questioning religion. I do not care for religion. As a 51 year old woman I know there is a god in all of us. G-d is love, peace , joy, sorrow, hope, understanding. G-d is and for ever will be. Religions are brands that are designed to control. It can be corrupt. Know that self and G-d will appear. Do good ! G-d is love. Taste and see that the lord is good.
@BrewmasterN8
@BrewmasterN8 5 днів тому
2:16:53 Dont Christians believe Jesus god and the holy Spirit are the same being?
@sanitypersonified5265
@sanitypersonified5265 26 днів тому
I was a non-believer until I had an encounter with Jesus. The person with a theory is no match for a person with an experience
@LumpyBlueSweater
@LumpyBlueSweater 23 дні тому
😂😂😂 so a delusion
@RickyB464
@RickyB464 21 день тому
That's hilarious 😂
@michaelkendall1263
@michaelkendall1263 3 дні тому
The person with an experience is not match for a person with a different experience
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
Remember stranger Now is the smallest of the 3 being Infinities GOD is
@davebarbadillo
@davebarbadillo Місяць тому
As a society fighting our Christian heritage, Douglas Murray ruined it all at the beginning with 'Jesus Smuggling', showng contempt, taking it out of context and clipping Dr Peterson's ability to show the way in which our culture has worked for the best part of 2000 years.
@No_OneV
@No_OneV 17 днів тому
10 / 10
@deluxe07
@deluxe07 19 днів тому
When Douglas is mostly quiet, you know it must be great.
@noreengkerekou8136
@noreengkerekou8136 20 днів тому
A lot of hypothesis...so much talking, just look at the human body, how it functions and how it starts...look around you, how well everything lives in harmony ( except humans) and do you really think it all happened by chance? It is not obvious that we have a Creator God?
@wanderingstar5270
@wanderingstar5270 13 днів тому
I really don’t know if there is a god but just saying that you argument a bad one. The human body can suck. It’s formed in imperfect ways that can easily go wrong in our environment and cause us chronic pain and disease. The environment around us can be chaotic and savage. Nature can be very violent and arbitrary in its devastation. This doesn’t really point to a creator that carefully plans for us if that is the premise.
@robertlawson9732
@robertlawson9732 24 дні тому
This is top 👌 👏 🙌 of the top. 🎉
@PiaskiCzasuAllegro
@PiaskiCzasuAllegro 8 днів тому
The gist that has not been worded here: the problem is human nature, when there is no religion we raise other ideas to that status, we do great and terrible things for ideas. Solution is individual believing in something akin to God but with no strong form of organization. So impossible, just embrace your fallen nature. Some ideas killed hundreds if not millions times more than religion and we should be focusing on spreading that gospel and not criticisim of people beliefs in higher good.
@jonmeador8637
@jonmeador8637 24 дні тому
The Enlightment and Enlightenment values created this country and put men on the moon. Seems deep enough to me.
@Angus1966
@Angus1966 Місяць тому
i must be a bit slow , can come back with better 5 mins of thinking after its over , love quick wit though
@jennykeating4220
@jennykeating4220 Місяць тому
When JP was pointing out the issues with the far left, I kept thinking that he could actually be talking about religion!
@stuartdknightauthor9526
@stuartdknightauthor9526 25 днів тому
An allegiance to an Ideology coupled with the necessity for self preservation is how an aushwitz guard could live with themselves. Same as a prison warden today could relegate a prisoner to an innumerable amount of time in isolation for a minor offense.
@chelebeaqueen
@chelebeaqueen Місяць тому
WOWzers, this is gonna be sizzlin'! no winners, mind you -- just all hearts all in, minds engaged and willing to be humbled for the sake of getting closer to what is true, beautiful, and good. interesting beginning! Douglas Murray turns the strawman steely! i like it!! 🥰
@hanzethetickler1137
@hanzethetickler1137 Місяць тому
As someone who's best friend is far left, they refuse to assume anything they disagree with isn't rooted in racism. Even if they like you they'll claim the idea is if not the person. It's an impossible argument on any subject.
@Victoria-gq8gt
@Victoria-gq8gt 25 днів тому
Yes I understand. Those people are stuck in a negative paranoid loop. Many times a result of an erroneous narrative that they or a minority group are under complete oppression at all times and by all people. Their driving belief trumps rationality and truth. Often it comes from a psychopathy and /or a paranoid mind set. Disturbing indeed. Distorted views are ultimately wholly subjective, and dangerous
@mastermuke411
@mastermuke411 Місяць тому
Felt more like a battle of thesauruses.
@petereriksson7166
@petereriksson7166 24 дні тому
Most people have blind spots, blind to understanding becouse of lack of experience. The logic is , if I have not seen it or heard it or experienced it then it does not exist. Becouse of that people think talk act wrong, often.
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
1:08:01 bro... science is Intrinsically devicive #1984 respect the fact as narrativality All approximations are language Experience doesn't translate
@noreengkerekou8136
@noreengkerekou8136 20 днів тому
I wish John Lennox had joined you.
@SupernaturalBeingsofEarth
@SupernaturalBeingsofEarth 24 дні тому
55:48 That's Idols worship. We did that and it seemed natural in growth.
@Beatriz-lj2td
@Beatriz-lj2td Місяць тому
Too much talk and show off! Not enough feeling, GOD is love!❤just trust him and be humble!!
@charlesledbetter907
@charlesledbetter907 Місяць тому
" The dumb need God." Peterson
@mackeymintle66
@mackeymintle66 29 днів тому
11:05 cut to 2024: Jesus smuggling has occurred. 😂
@BrewmasterN8
@BrewmasterN8 5 днів тому
3:31:58 JP had Sam on this one but sam evaded it by describing love instead of showing it is a fact.
@adventureswithschmicklesth9337
@adventureswithschmicklesth9337 19 днів тому
Acts of goodness and kindness are a reflection of God's Love. It's very simple. But one must know how to discriminate between those who live by conscience and those who Manipulate one's good faith in the name of Justice. Example: calling people of faith bigots simply because they question mass immigration Open Borders as a threat to one's security is an act of Manipulation and exploitation of that person's right to question. Beware of the Exploiters that clothe themselves in moral righteousness. For instance, the Woke idealogy is nothing more than a method to enslave and control the populace clothed in Humane language of moral superiority. It's the worst kind of exploitation and politicians that call others bigots are usually the bigots. Just be kind and considerate and that will make the world a better place for all. It's simple
@user-ky1ki4qs9e
@user-ky1ki4qs9e 20 днів тому
He has to be a choice, Alpha and Omega chose his son as a Devine sacrifice to ask for His grace freely. Most of Revelations happened already, if you study history.There is no premillionism, makes God a liar..because he says the dead will rise first, and then the ones left behind. The Bible words can be a two edge sword, if you are optimistic and humble to adhere.
@GRUMIAM
@GRUMIAM Місяць тому
Imagine paying theese three men and getting 30k views in 10days. makes zero sense.
@gwensteddy2038
@gwensteddy2038 29 днів тому
You mean business sense?
@GRUMIAM
@GRUMIAM 28 днів тому
@@gwensteddy2038 Yes business
@MusingsFromTheJohn00
@MusingsFromTheJohn00 Місяць тому
I listened to a number of things and felt Sam Harris was very rational and logical... then I listened to more things from Sam Harris and decided he was not that great and had major problems with some, not all, of his rational logical thinking. In general this entire debate is missing a better quality rational logical thinker within the debate.
@polarisjustdothework2258
@polarisjustdothework2258 28 днів тому
2:28:40 Religion is not the way we serve God, it is supposed to be the way we learn about God and how to deepen our relationship with both God and God's Children. I'm just going to keep blowing up the comment section because I care about what I have to say 😂😂 Furthermore, I am not a Jew, a Christian, or a Muslim, I am a believer in our One True God, the God of Abraham, the God of creation, our Heavenly Father; the Lord Almighty ❤
@Janneglnd
@Janneglnd 27 днів тому
Kirkegaard. God is the paradox that make us play the hardest game.
@williamwilder5074
@williamwilder5074 Місяць тому
Human beings are not merely rational computers. There is so much more to becoming a human being fully alive than reason, facts, logic and science.
@BarrySometimes
@BarrySometimes Місяць тому
who asserted that humans are merely rational computers?
@jasonthomas9319
@jasonthomas9319 Місяць тому
​@@BarrySometimesSam does that when trying to explain that its easy to get rid of religion and everyone will just follow sams logic.
@BarrySometimes
@BarrySometimes Місяць тому
@@jasonthomas9319 Oh ok, I see where the OP is coming from, or where you're coming from. Sam's never stated, nor insinuated, that we are, or have to be merely rational computers to either understand or appreciate what is rational. Sam's stance on rationality is better described as pointing out the irrational, which given a certain amount of information & facts is quite easy to do. He made this distinction when Douglas proclaimed "but we've never tried a sudden leap into pure rationality", & Sam explained that there is no sudden "leap" into "pure" "rationality". Only incremental steps made by noticing the irrational & correcting according by acknowledging the facts at hand. One need not be a merely rational computer to notice irrationality, &/or follow or propose rational statements. Jordan himself appeals to rationality to propose his emphasis on the utility of fiction, for instance. For OP to explain the reasons why "Human beings are not merely rational computers. There is so much more to becoming a human being fully alive than reason, facts, logic and science", OP will have to resort to a rational argument, too. OP need not be a merely rational computer in order to do so, either.
@jasonthomas9319
@jasonthomas9319 Місяць тому
@BarrySometimes Sam doesn't understand that he also holds irrational beliefs. For example, is there any scientific proof that can say slavery is wrong? A rational argument can be made for slavery and sam would still call slavery wrong. Sam doesn't understand that humanity draws different lines about when to apply rationality vs morality, a god figure at least allows one line to be drawn in theory, whereas an atheist system allows too many lines to be drawn.
@BarrySometimes
@BarrySometimes Місяць тому
Why did Jordan accuse Sam of “evading an issue” that Sam never evaded? It really is like a 6 year old saying “I’m not fat you're fat” despite the fact that he is fat & the kid he just accused of being fat is in fact skinny.
@cil949
@cil949 26 днів тому
Jordan you need to speak in more layman terms … I usually understand most of what you are trying to express but this time I did not have the patience to make the effort to do so …
@laurabaileyferguson2824
@laurabaileyferguson2824 26 днів тому
Sam does not have an accurate understanding of Jesus or of what he taught, or of the Bible as it presents itself and as its writers perceived it. He has some fair points, indeed, but I would hope he gets exposure to the truth in these matters.
@tonyfrench2574
@tonyfrench2574 22 дні тому
Murray and Harris have nothing to offer
@BrewmasterN8
@BrewmasterN8 5 днів тому
3:15:30 This would make a nice clip up to 3:16:05
@kellyblanton6969
@kellyblanton6969 26 днів тому
Why does sam just have to interrupt Jordan everytime Jordan begins to make sense yet Jordan won't interrupt sam...drives me batty!
@polarisjustdothework2258
@polarisjustdothework2258 29 днів тому
1:07:31 Sam, is your argument against God or religion? Because those are two totally separate things for the most part. Also, there is such a thing as pseudoscience and scientific myths; science is mot perfect, it is merely humans grappling away on a quest for truth. Whereas, God's love is perfect truth. ❤
@raas7479
@raas7479 Місяць тому
The 3 Kings of intellect
@GenXgirl969
@GenXgirl969 27 днів тому
Sam Harris is a phony and a liar, he’s not an intellectual.
@tomashultgren4117
@tomashultgren4117 Місяць тому
The simple question is; Do we accept that we are part of a universe that goes far beyond what our limited cognitive and intellectual functions can perceive and explain? Those who imagine that science and intellect will eventually "explain" everything live in a very limited space. Dawkins for instance, immediately accuses those who don't agree with him, to be believers in "the supernatural", or "the spaghetti monster", or whatever silly things he can come up with. Jordan P on the other hand, when he starts ramling about the Bible and God becomes so incoherent, it's impossible to understand what he says
@CityBoiATX
@CityBoiATX Місяць тому
If science and intellect can’t explain it then it won’t be explained. Natural Science is the most consistent tools we have available to explain reality. Fairytales dont explain anything.
@onegorgeouschick
@onegorgeouschick Місяць тому
What's with the 72 raisins?
@cameronmeikle6766
@cameronmeikle6766 9 днів тому
Its about values and morals that come from ancient teachings . Not a fluffy bearded man ruling the universe
@charityleonard6089
@charityleonard6089 15 днів тому
Harris just keeps stating his argument is right because Jordan is wrong. And then dribbles verbally. Jordan responds with analysis and thought. Why does anyone think Harris is an effective debtor. I can’t be the only one that noticed his argument style is to either insult or just state the other person is wrong. Neither are effective debate styles.
@sassyrobin420
@sassyrobin420 13 днів тому
I think Peterson is just smarter than Sam. Harris always seems like he’s deeply insecure which explains his “attitude”. Idk why they have 3 atheists discussing God. The world has gone mad.
@thefencyfellas8411
@thefencyfellas8411 3 дні тому
​@@sassyrobin420 3 atheists?
@michaelkendall1263
@michaelkendall1263 День тому
​@thefencyfellas8411 depends how you define atheist. Jordan clearly doesn't believe in the God 99% of Christians believe in
@JeffWade-jq6ib
@JeffWade-jq6ib 24 дні тому
You live buy Lords rule or you parish no need to debate. Enjoy your debate..
@thetruthexperiment
@thetruthexperiment 20 днів тому
Sam Harris is the ultimate nobody in terms of his value as a celebrity. He tried to make waves like Christopher Hitchens by saying calculatedly controversial things and wound up being someone that everyone forgot why they keep having him around. What a perfect goon.
@antoinettejoubert
@antoinettejoubert 28 днів тому
Peters on says a lot but it means nothing!
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
Astrology is close God is around You will never rid the people of Earth of their love of the creator
@Druid75
@Druid75 Місяць тому
No one is suggesting to get rid of them The self victimization is cute
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
@@Druid75 now isn't now, "now" Words are meaningless clearly Thanks Druid What victim?
@Druid75
@Druid75 Місяць тому
@@anoncentur now isnt now…? You talk but yet you say nothing
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
@@Druid75 both of those "now"s have obvious differing definitions in the context of the sentence itself Learn. Don't pretend you know nothing
@Druid75
@Druid75 Місяць тому
@@anoncentur i don’t produce meaningless babble to pass on the delusion of enlightenment like you do
@path7604
@path7604 Місяць тому
He doesn’t support any terrorists!
@marnajackson9648
@marnajackson9648 14 днів тому
that eyebrow lol
@peterwhyte-zl1kv
@peterwhyte-zl1kv Місяць тому
Jimminy Cricket put it more simply.
@juliecruz1339
@juliecruz1339 8 днів тому
Oh, but the God of the Bible does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
@Tessinentdecken
@Tessinentdecken Місяць тому
Jordan Talks and Talks 😅😂
@anoncentur
@anoncentur Місяць тому
Do your scientific method without your "eye sight"... See the flaw?
@CityBoiATX
@CityBoiATX Місяць тому
😂😂😂😂😂
@MrArdytube
@MrArdytube Місяць тому
jp seems to make consciously atypical wardrobe choices. To the extent his intellectual views could be stereotyped as conservative… his wardrobe choices seem to diverge from that norm… for whatever reason
@amandasilcox3521
@amandasilcox3521 Місяць тому
Agree, just brilliance could exhibit so much more appeal. I love Jordan but that.very reason forces me to site him carefully.
@MrArdytube
@MrArdytube Місяць тому
@@amandasilcox3521 hi Amanda… i have just discovered a channel that i am certain you will like. Unsolicited Advice. He does have a video about peterson… which is what got me to click…. But his other videos are mind bending as well…. Just a suggestion from a random you tube acquaintance smile
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