How to modify E-paper display firmware to get 3Hz update rate. Links to all datasheets and sources: benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2017/1... Patreon: / appliedscience
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@Maltanx6 років тому
I can't believe how beautiful that oscilloscope is!
@fredlllll6 років тому
i just looked it up... 45000 US$
@gregandark85715 років тому
i need circa : 3 kidneys and a half of a liver ,lol
@brainiac756 років тому
Fascinating. Never realized how these E-paper displays work. Thanks for sharing this thorough video :)
@techno_tuna6 років тому
Holy balls
@Der_Arathok6 років тому
Nice to know, that one of my favorite youtubers, is on other channels i watch too! :D
@_BangDroid_6 років тому
I read you comment, and heard your smooth voice in my head
@hgbugalou6 років тому
Better put a huge magnet next to some epaper.
@brainiac756 років тому
Hi KASA :)
@baganatube6 років тому
Sorry, what did you say? I was staring at the scope.
@JanBabiuchHall6 років тому
I love you please don't go away for this long ever again
@josuelservin24096 років тому
I'm actualy fine with the time it takes for a new video, because I know we are geting over the top quality content 😁
@AppliedScience6 років тому
Thanks! I often feel like I'll wait for a project to go from "in progress" to "fully finished" to avoid making multiple videos about the same topic, but then I don't make many videos at all. Also, still trying to find a good balance between super tech-heavy and short-form fun science. I like both, of course.
@poodlelord6 років тому
You should do both and label them accordingly, not too many in the process video but 1 or 2 would be appropriate.
@S-K.6 років тому
I feel the exact same way! I love how you do things Ben, you're a real inspiration. I hope that I'm able to have a shop like yours someday. Keep up the videos!
@dnmr6 років тому
Applied Science, just do both, finding a balance is just a waste of effort when you have a pretty diverse audience. You can't please everyone all the time anyway
@christopherjones76986 років тому
I worked for EINK several years ago and the team I worked for mainly focused on creating the waveforms for each transition. Each grey had a waveform and there were also different waveforms for different temperatures. Because any variation in the chemistry or display assembly affected the transitions, each batch of panels required custom waveforms. I'm sure it's more automated today but the number of technician hours involved in making those earlier panels was crazy.
@DonPancho15 років тому
having to find the right waveforms per batch sounds tedious, but that must have been a nice paycheck for the technicians
@anjankatta18645 років тому
Is that why eink screens cost so much? (ie like the big ones in the remarkable tablet or sony dpt)... I always assumed it was just cuz eink had a monopoly on the market
@BalramSingh-ls6uy5 років тому
8hu
@godzil425 років тому
@@anjankatta1864 From what I know, not only; they also have a realyl bad yeild rate
@jemrossi4 роки тому
@alysdexia nescient, lacking of knowledge, ignorant; doth not describe a paycheck, smarty.
@Nighthawkinlight6 років тому
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a new video from you. It's like a drink of cold water for my mind. Hope things have been going well!
@AppliedScience6 років тому
Thanks! I really appreciate it. I've got some more materials/chemistry videos on the way. It's good to be back.
@DrakkarCalethiel6 років тому
That scope, WTF! bigger screen than the laptop in the background.
@hgbugalou6 років тому
Don't hate the layer, hate the gain.
@_HowHardCanItBe_6 років тому
200$ computer and a 20000$ scope
@2xAA6 років тому
Eirik Strand Priorities.
@k1ngjulien_6 років тому
and a -1$ text editor, i think he should at least try downloading Notepad++ :D
@EuanTodd6 років тому
K1ngjulien_ if it ain't broke don't fix it.
@_HowHardCanItBe_6 років тому
Or sublime
@pikgears5 років тому
he said the scope can run windows 10, so...
@joelbennett90144 роки тому
usually when people on youtube make "[something] hacking" videos, it's some clickbait douche presenting cursory google search instructions to change user-editable settings. this guy actually does real, intrepid work and does an extremely thorough job explaining it.
@DrClementShimizu4 роки тому
I have been following your channel for a long time and I always thought everything you were doing was way god-level above and beyond the work I do. But low and behold I just watched this video and this was exactly what I was working on! I was working on a 4 level e-ink display but it's very similar. The lookup table format in my controller works differently but close enough to at least be set on the right path. I learned a lot from this video and I am trying to reproduce your findings. I made a lot of breakthroughs inspired by your video. It was basically unusably slow before and now it's much smoother and getting better. Thank you very much!
@BrandonThomasRansom6 років тому
Whenever it takes months for a new video, I know it’s going to be a good one. Nice work Ben, this is super interesting!
@w2aew6 років тому
Very cool, Ben - always learn something from your vids. Glad you're enjoying the scope!
@BrianHensleyRULES6 років тому
w2aew Ben, us at Tek love seeing you use our new baby 😂😁
@AppliedScience6 років тому
This scope is unreal! You can see from the comments how many engineers are completely blown away by how much information the scope can capture and display at one. The team at Tek should be really proud for developing such a nice instrument!
@borisangelis80936 років тому
I'm getting mixed signals from your oscilloscope ...
@GhaziSarhan6 років тому
Boris Angelis I see what you did there
@en0n1262 роки тому
Such a cool technology. I love my ebook reader. The one that I have has a refresh sequence where it does minor refreshes every page, and then a longer full-clear refresh every 5 or 6 pages or something. It's also worth noting that the cells containing the charged pigments do not correspond to individual display pixels, but are smaller and more randomly clumped together. The pixels come from the electronic array underneath, and one pixel may activate particles in multiple or partial cells. The cell structure exists to ensure a good distribution of the different particle types across the screen.
@electronicsNmore6 років тому
Great to see you back again!
@coffeecuppepsi5 років тому
"oscilloscope, open the bay door", -"I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"
@NickDrudge6 років тому
I've been watching some of the progress on Twitter and I'm glad I got to finally see the video! Can't wait to see what cool projects arise thanks to this intense research and work!
@lou47116 років тому
I'm so glad you are back with quality technical content. Don't go away like this again !
@samykamkar6 років тому
Great video and explanation, thank you!!
@MJ-em2ix6 років тому
Samy Kamkar Your last video was 11 months ago! What are you working on?
@zookatone6 років тому
I liked how this video about E-paper turned into a vid about that oscilloscope
@sacation60574 роки тому
i was just waiting for him ending with: "Thanks for tektronic for sponsering this video, please use this link for 10% off"
@SeanHodgins6 років тому
I can't believe that is how the tri colour works. Amazing. I always learn something(often too many things) in your videos.
@GlenOakley10 місяців тому
I can't believe how detailed and clear your explanations and demonstrations were. This was exactly what I needed to understand the limitations I was running into with e-paper. Thank you!
@Alexander_Sannikov6 років тому
Ben don't make us miss the best channel on youtube again! Also as someone who does C++ programming for living, I do recommend you getting absolutely any kind of proper code editor with syntax highlighting and/or auto formatting. Once you get used to it, it just takes way less time to read code that's properly formatted and displayed. Popular C++ editor choices for windows that are intuitive and work out of the box are: notepad++, sublime, atom, vscode(not visual studio) and many others.
@zipp4everyone2632 роки тому
Some really cool stuff! Love the custom code. That stuff usually creates quite a bad ghosting effect but the updates seem entirely clean.
@ryanfwood6 років тому
Wow. I've always wondered about these and was so curious about their limitations. Wonderful explanation.
@theirisheditor6 років тому
It would be interesting to try a burn-in test with that display without the reverse cycle, e.g. 10 updates at one spot, 20 updates at the next and so on until the text is barely legible. Then apply full black/white cycles to see how long the burn-in takes to clear at each spot (or how much it fades after let's say an hour).
@gizmoguyar6 років тому
Yeah, I second this. The refresh rate of these is what prevents me from using them in projects. If someone else who knows more than I do could test one of these to destruction I'd be super stoked. I'd totally use these all the time if I could achieve 3 Hz refresh and be confidant that it'll last more than 3 days.
@anjankatta18645 років тому
That's a great idea and gizmoguyar nails my interest in it too. Fast refresh rate such that you can interact with it just like a lcd like on a iPad, it becomes so so so much more usefulio
@Jellylamps4 роки тому
I think that after a certain point the damage becomes irreparable because the voltage can no longer affect the particles quite as much
@Doggieman11113 роки тому
Since most e-Ink screens that are to be changed frequently are for consumer products (Kindle, etc) I believe the manufacturer has gone to extremes to avoid burn-in, which would prompt lots of purchase returns. Much easier and cost-effective to condition consumers to flickering every once in awhile than to random ghosting of text over text. Therefore cutting the reverse cycles shouldn't cause dramatic ghosting in a home-brew project, as long as you don't care about not having a pristine viewing condition each time.
@csmole12313 роки тому
i accidentally looked away during the dot moving period, then came back when he flip the screen color and said there should be a ghost circle burn-in: and i can't really see it? i do see some unevenness in color scattered in a small region, but i have to deliberately imagine it is a circle to acknowledge ahh it indeed is a circle then i rewatch the dot circling period of the vid and holy shit the burn-in become so freaking obvious!😂with shades differences!😂the later the more firmer!😂maaan!😂(it was burn-in in my retina?!?)
@goldrecovery6 років тому
Good video after a long time. Thanks for your work.
@Moraren6 років тому
Incredible how far technology has come. You explain things really well.
@gamerpaddy6 років тому
he's Alive!!!!!!!
@charlesprogrammr6426 років тому
No doubt about it, you are an impressive dude. I'm always impressed with your vids' content.
@aarondcmedia95856 років тому
That is one impressive scope - your in depth research even moreso.
@noyb1546 років тому
absolutely iconic and masterful youtuber. such great content.
@mikeissweet6 років тому
Wow that scope is incredible
@tmpEngine5 років тому
it's like driving a lamborghini gallardo on the street
@DirtySocrates5 років тому
but is is 42000$ incredible?
@StephenHoldaway6 років тому
Thanks for the video! I've got a few of these ePaper panels directly from Good Display in China (the manufacturer as far as I can tell).. they were happy to help with questions until I asked for a datasheet describing the LUT bytes, then they became very cagey. Nice work on finding a datasheet that has these details. All of their datasheets seem to be missing information and are bit inconsistent.
@realityChemist5 років тому
I applied to work for E-Ink Corp once. They never got back to me, but I did some reading on their tech while I was waiting. Very cool tech, and this video does a great job of showing it off
@thewyliestcoyote6 років тому
I was just starting to investigate eink displays for something I want to bring to market using a color one, Thanks for the great video!
@stefanhertweck6 років тому
Great research work with very good findings. Thanks for the insights into E-paper technology.
@mojojomo67504 роки тому
Fascinating.. Don't know which I'm more impressed with, the epaper & your ability to reverse-engineer what's going on, or that borrowed scope! With equipment like that, in the right hands, you could figure out how 90% of stuff ticks. Great video.
@bbreeuwer45776 років тому
Only pure quality coming from this channel!!!!
@TheSentientCloud5 років тому
Stumbling across a science channel I was previously unaware of is always a good start to my day. :D
@manickn68196 років тому
I stripped down a monitor some time ago and saw a few of those silicon looking bars. I had no idea what it was but postulated it was some silicon device. Thanks for pointing out what it is. Some time ago you noted on a Q&A segment some of the reasons you made videos. A few months ago I watched that video and decided to start up loading content. Reasoning made sense to me.
@Lorenzo00776 років тому
the Master just release another amazing video ! thanks, it was very instructive
@RafaelAcurcio6 років тому
It has been a while since I have seen grooveshark in bookmarks! Great video! Very well explained, keep up your videos :D
@WayneJohnsonZastil6 років тому
wow I have missed you keep up good work this was awesome!
@overheardatthepub12386 років тому
Glad to see you back!
@roderickwhitehead6 років тому
Ben, I admit that I have very little use for e-paper hacks, but still the same, I really appreciate your content. Thank you.
@SeanHodgins6 років тому
A couple of interesting thoughts after watching this video. Could the display be physically altered if it was hit against something or had a high acceleration? Would the particles be able to move in the fluid just from physical force? Also, there might be a way to speed up the refresh rate in the future by developing a different medium for the particles to float in. Its a very interesting technology.
@youtubkeeper6 років тому
Really interesting and informative. Thank you for teaching me something new today!
@GRA000716 років тому
"The industry thrives on secrecy or something." - 14:25
@LReBe75 років тому
I'm doing my PhD on e-ink and it's a bit of a misconception that e-ink needs no power at all. The major problem with e-ink is the fact that there are charged inverse micelles in the cell, which over time will start to replace the colloidal particles. There's a lot of interesting scientific literature in this field actually!
@anjankatta18645 років тому
Given your background then, what do you think is the most interesting / applicable technology for the 'ipad has baby with a kindle' application of easy on the eyes digital note taking
@chopinwong015 років тому
@@anjankatta1864 sony dpt-rp1?
@kriswaelput9 місяців тому
Perfectly explained ! Thank you.
@NithinSukumar6 років тому
Very informative, nicely explained. Thanks
@keithcancel6 років тому
That scope is glorious indeed!
@OneLabToRuleThemAll7 місяців тому
Brilliant video! I have almost no experience with e-ink displays, so this really helped me learn how they work and how the controller works. I am planning to make a video about OLED displays, how they work, and include some microscope footage of the SSD1306 chip found in most OLED display modules. SO far I have got some microscope footage of the chip, but not enough to use in my video. The problem I am facing is that even with a bright light shining from the top, the chip is still too dark to see clearly.
@Dragonmastur246 років тому
WOOOOOOH!!! YEAAAAAAAA!!! :D :D Very glad to have you back!
@TheDefpom5 років тому
Very interesting tutorial, now I know how they work, thanks.
@nrdesign19916 років тому
This scope makes our MSO 4000 at work look ancient
@burnhamaj6 років тому
It’s fun to see you dig into stuff really deep like this. I’m tempted to buy one of those to play around now. It would be nice if you had some screen recording software on your Windows computer, to avoid the artifacts of recording a screen. I look forward to your next video. See ya next time, bye.
@Mythricia19886 років тому
You should check out what the reMarkable paper tablet is doing. It's using an actual e-ink display, but updates fast enough for latency-free handwriting (directly on top of the display - it uses a stylus digitzer made by Wacom I believe). It's actually so fast that you can't detect any latency at all when writing or sketching. It's also very high resolution - 1872x1404. No flickering or updating on the display while drawing, or erasing. It's pretty amazing to use, I own one myself. It does occasionally perform a full screen refresh, but it's so fast that it's unintrusive - and it only occurs while you are in the menus or something like that, never really when actually drawing on it. You can also erase and such, but I guess once they got the drawing figured out, erasing was kind of a freebie. And it's true e-paper as well - it maintains the image even with the battery removed or what not. I have no clue how they made it happen. It must have incredibly fast response time - it's as smooth to use as a Wacom tablet on a PC, looking at a 60hz screen.
@LuxurioMusic4 роки тому
Super late, but looking at it's stats (10.3", 226dpi) it seems like it's using the ES103TC1 display. I'd get one myself if it didn't cost quite so much. I remember following a company for a while which was trying to create an eink tablet, it felt like they fell off the face of the earth but this might actually be them.
@urisrssfeeds4 роки тому
Can you use it like a monitor
@absurdengineering4 роки тому
alysdexia Look out people, UKposts comment section has a full time editor now 🤣
@dumbstupidfalk4 роки тому
@alysdexia why use many word when few word do trick.
@ellenorbjornsdottir11663 роки тому
@alysdexia git outta here
@sjm43062 роки тому
Thank you, this helped immensely!
@earlye6 років тому
TIL there are multiple e-paper types. The one described here is electrophoretic. There also exists gyricon, where instead of a bunch of pigment particles, each cell contains a small bead that is magnetically polarized and colored, so that it spins in place to present the desired hemisphere. It occurs to me that one could have a sphere with colored poles and a stripe along its equator. You could then have electrodes along the display surface to orient the sphere to show one of its poles, and in addition have a electrodes in the middle of the paper's cross section, which would cause the sphere to orient so that its equator is visible at the paper's face. This would give a 3 color per pixel display. I hope that makes sense.
@anjankatta18645 років тому
Do you think that would cause refresh rate to get worse or better or the same? That to me is really crucial to closing the gap with lcd note taking and reading like the iPad
@morfengineering6 років тому
So cool. I've been using these displays in couple of my projects. I will definitely try your library updates. Also fantastic explanation, i was wondering what was going on in background. Only thing i improved upon the original library was i added massive selection of fonts And ported it to nrf52 ble micro
@kevincozens68376 років тому
Thanks for the video. The eInk/ePaper displays are really nice. They will certainly be more popular with hobbyists when the prices come down a bit on the larger panels. I didn't know there were some with the extra red colour. That is the most impressive scope I've seen so far. 8 channels with up to 8 digital inputs each? Very nice and also very expensive.
@anjankatta18645 років тому
Do you know why the larger panels are so damn expensive? It baffles me tremendously (some mentioned it's cuz of eink monopoly.. Others have said more individual tuning needed ;?)
@shimmerite_ua6 років тому
Brothers, our prayers has been heard, he's back! And with 1/2 hour video!
@justagirpup3 роки тому
Today sir you blew my mind. I had no idea why those displays looked different. I guess i just thought they were ultra cheap. Very cool
@scottlevine44425 років тому
Great video! Looks like a Tektronix ad! Haha. Very informative, thank you.
@rootbrian48154 роки тому
If you haven't already used this, OBS can effectively save you from pointing the camera at the screen and seeing those distortions (lines). I use it in conjunction with anything else I may put together in regards to video. Might be a bit more editing (or similarly, the same), it would take less time in regards to repositioning the camera and zoom.
@mahejeah6 років тому
A true science channel on youtube, so rare these days.
@CondoreComputing6 років тому
Im fairly excited for "full" color e-ink displays. E ink has been teasing them for quite a few years now, and sony has shown off a few prototypes as well, though they seem to have a much wider color range compared to the E-ink ones. They are what i think they call EDP displays, apparently it uses low temperature a-si TFT's.
@arvinsubramaniam9222 роки тому
Brilliant. Thanks for this
@finalbosseditingРік тому
Would love to see another epaper video especially with the new color screens and stuff that are coming out!
@luansalja605 років тому
Thanks for this video !!! at last the oscilloscope is a tool (a good one ok...) but the real benefits are the explications and the study work to know how e-paper wokrs for that two words for you : Maximum Respect !!!
@oliverrapp936 років тому
it's great seeing your videos again. Could you make a video on NFC or RFID?
@qwertzuhr4 роки тому
Very interesting video! - While there _might_ be some secrecy involved, I have to give it to the customer support of both Good Display and Waveshare though: they at least professionally answered my questions, saying that VCOM LUT cannot be changed for the 7.5 inch display (respective sections are missing in the code). And suggesting me to buy their updated, quicker display. :)
@avramitra5 років тому
This oscilloscope is made by the God. I need it but I don't deserve it. Btw, I subbed to you. I love this kind of hardcore embedded systems hacking. That's why CNLohr is my another favorite.
@insightfool6 років тому
Wondering if you can think of a way to get all of those active matrix transistors to open at once so that any signal going into the display would just pass through to the pixels directly? I'm basically curious if it's possible to get an active matrix display to electrically respond to input similar to a passive matrix liquid crystal display without an gating?
@timeltdme43554 роки тому
Just in time, when I am looking for a new scope, I am so much into your videos about interesting stuff. Can you describe the decision making behind 5 series? There is also new 3 and 4 series (maybe not available at time of your purchase). If you have time for that, can you elaborate what would you miss on 5 series compared to 3 and 4? Thanks!
@grey76036 років тому
Ngrok + Kindle paperwhite + custom app = awesomeness. Considering posting a video shortly.
@oriole87896 років тому
I haven't played with e-paper displays yet but I'm a big fan of WaveShare's toys. I use their FPGA kits for all kinds of projects. You've mentioned permanent burn-in and/or damage - do you have any idea of what the possible mechanisms for that would be? I can't picture a way in which you could damage these cells even with strong polarization, based on how you've described their theory of operation. The only thing that comes to mind is some kind of cell overheating that could perhaps fuse some of those powder particles together which are presumably at least partially plastic (I'm thinking of laser printer toner), or perhaps damage to the fluid in which they're suspended.. many lubricants for instance increase in viscosity after enough heating/cooling cycles, which in this case would cause the cell to transition slower and slower unless you increase the drive voltage, up to a point. The thermal conductivity of the fluid may be low, so while there's plenty of thermal mass in the entire display, it's conceivable that there could be high localized heating within the tiny cells, which could cause damage if the rate of heating exceeds the rate of conduction of that heat away from the cells. Come to think of it, you could in theory use per-cell heating and the resulting change in fluid viscosity to control transition rate for some purpose. Thank you for the video!!
@benjaminscherrey11243 роки тому
Best source for details on these e-ink devices I've ever seen. One thing I would love to be able to hack these displays to be able to do is to be able to read the current content off the device. Imagine a reader that you attach the e-ink display to and it can determine what's displayed on it already. Based on what you found scraping off coverings and such from the displays - would it be possible to somehow determine what the display's contents were simply from the display itself? Think of it as a very slow but visual static RAM.
@TheWiseTorsk6 років тому
I bet that logic probe is worth more than my entire lab xD
@omnomnom13916 років тому
Cool stuff as usual. I was thinking we would see some ruined displays, as a demo how not to drive those displays.
@AppliedScience6 років тому
I haven't had any permanent burn-in on any of my displays, but I've also been trying to avoid that. Maybe I should buy a few more and start with destructive testing!
@omnomnom13916 років тому
Honestly I would like to see some destructive testing, be it displays or any future projects, it just scratches that "what if we take it to the limit?" spot. But yes, it's not the usual stuff this channel covers, I guess we have AvE and others for that.
@williamhart48966 років тому
Nice video have wondered about those waveshare e paper displays want to use one and a 3 inch capacitive touchscreen add a decent sbc say a 96boards unit any just need correct headers than play on upgrade or down to easy.
@LowLightVideos6 років тому
EInk has _huge_ Electronic Ink Display Modules (with 31" 4096 color or 41" 16 color greyscale) for less than $2500; also tiny B&W modules for under $100. Here's a quote from their Website: "EC312TT2 is a reflective electrophoretic E Ink technology display module based on TFT active matrix with color filter design. It has 31.2” active area with 2560 x 1440 pixels, the display is capable to display 4096 colors depending on the display controller and the associated waveform file it used.".
@01903ACup6 років тому
Never clicked faster! Great videos!
@bar100056 років тому
Don't know specifics (like waveforms) but to prevent 'ghosting' kindle is using something like your quick lookup tables, so it can refresh faster, but redraws entire screen (flashing white and black) every 4-6 pages, don't know if the page amount is random or is it determining it somehow, like amount of pixel change from last full screen redraw.
@thenerdyouknowabout6 років тому
That scope in utterly ridiculous wow
@Ultravore6 років тому
I've never seen such a magnificent awesome oscilloscope...
@videoswithcay3 роки тому
That oscilloscope is incredible! And here I was content with my GDS-1054B lol.
@SunZeD3 роки тому
Great video!
@pierreboyer92775 років тому
Could you explain how the dual screen smartphones (yotaphone hisense A2/A6) interface their eink display with the SoC? They can achieve very high refresh rate.
@philiplishman5325 років тому
Think you could get greyscale out of one of these displays, perhaps by changing the image memory during the display update or similar? I'd be very interested to know if you've got it working since the text on my displays could use a bit of antialiasing. Thanks!
@JoseSilva-dy1op4 роки тому
What a great job, Thank you
@glasseffect5 років тому
You can do partial update on Eink displays, you just need a different library that supports it.
@PzycRatРік тому
that is it. I have decided this man just knows everything.
@the_eminent_Joshua_E_Hrouda5 років тому
What pixel resolution is the red,black,white display?
@alexozzie60146 років тому
So would you use these for like low powered gadgets mainly? They seem kind of trivial at that size. Awesome video BTW!!!!!!
@cobrasvt3474 роки тому
Since it’s suspended in a type of oil, could you warm the display up to make the oil less viscous? If that would work the frame rate can be raised even more with the particles shifting through the oil faster. Just a thought
@renakunisaki5 років тому
Awesome. I did a similar hack but didn't really understand what I was changing in those mysterious waveform tables. Do you know any hack for true partial refresh, ie only updating part of the screen? Some support it, others don't. I found the ones that don't, you can fake it a bit by changing resolution, so that makes me think it's just a software difference.
@chaos.corner5 років тому
Fantastic. I just acquired a small tricolor display and the update process is slow and annoying (and possibly should have an epilepsy warning). Improving that opens up a lot more use cases. For what it's worth, the Pi version of their software comes with a Python version if people aren't comfortable with C. Just checked the info page for my module and it says that partial refresh is not available. It is for the 2-color one though so I may go for that.