Have You Ever Seen an E Ink Display Update This Quickly?

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E Ink displays have come along way since the original e-readers from the mid-2000s, in this video I'll be showing the different types of E Ink displays you can get along with a demo of their different capabilities.
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All displays shown in the video are genuine E Ink displays, information was correct at the time of filming and the specs of each type of display applies to the majority of off-the-shelf panels, but custom designed panels and variations do also exist.
Timestamps
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○ Intro - 0:00
○ Simple All-in-One - 0:43
○ Complex All-in-One - 2:37
○ Coloured All-in-One - 4:41
○ Segmented - 5:50
○ Externally Controlled - 8:10
○ MeeNote - 10:10
○ Outro - 12:57
Links
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○ E Ink Displays: www.eink.com/
○ Ineltek E Ink Xplained Boards: www.ineltek.com/en/ineltek-la...
○ E Ink Software Library: github.com/Ineltek-UK/eink-xp...
○ Inky Pi Hats: shop.pimoroni.com/?q=inky
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○ GitHub: github.com/george-sephton/

КОМЕНТАРІ: 135

@garfieldnate Рік тому

As a hobby builder I'm desperate to get my hands on a fast-refreshing e-Ink display like that shown for the meenote, but in different sizes. They don't make bw LCD screens of larger sizes anymore, and I want to recreate the wonderful Casio electronic dictionaries I used before they switched to slow, power-hogging backlit screens.

@lua-nya Рік тому

Big BW LCD? Can be acquired as a custom order, but it's not worth it for small batches...

@tahustvedt Рік тому

An E-ink 2-bit display in an old Game boy would be fun. The old Game Boy display is super ghosty too, but E-ink would be so much clearer and look interesting. Maybe we'll have fast enough displays soon.

@modernkennnern Рік тому

Never seen an eInk display in real life, and this is practically the first video I've seen on them

@nineephe 2 роки тому

And now we even have 20fps color e-inks Crazy how fast this technology moves

@ivangutowski Рік тому

Do they wear out ?

@noahprussia7622 Рік тому

@@ivangutowski That's the reason they invert the screen, otherwise they get "stuck"

@lelanddyke8386 Рік тому

@@ivangutowski They do, but not so much faster than an LCD

@lanjinling-wuqian Рік тому

i hope they invent a 60Hz, high resolution, colour-supporting, e-ink panel lol.

@memes_gbc674 Рік тому

@@lanjinling-wuqian they've already got color ones but they're way slower

@TF8ase 2 роки тому

This was brilliant. Simple, interesting, and well explained. Much kudos.

@bummers Рік тому

That meenote demo is a really great application for education space. I myself would love to have a meenote do nothing but take notes and have it syncable to desktop or mobile. Heck, if it can save as png or pdf, I can just use it as is.

@MaxOakland Рік тому

Haven’t heard of segmented e-ink displays before. That’s a cool idea

@orchishgrunt7888 Рік тому

I'd be on board for a nice, thin, low-powered e-ink display that I could lug around. This is a cool video, and I feel like we're there!

@jacquesmertens3369 Рік тому

There's a tonne of information in this video. Very useful. Thank you. It's a bit too much for a bear of little brain like myself though. A matrix with screen size, pros, cons and price range and compatibility would come in very handy.

@XTJ7 3 роки тому

Thanks for the excellent overview!

@gael5773 Рік тому

really interesting , your explanation are made of a good mixed of technicals infos on the product, the way it work, advangages and personal experience 👍

@RealVercas 2 роки тому

This is by far the most educational content I've seen about e-paper displays. Subscribing.

@blrryface 2 роки тому

This channel is so underrated! Hope you get viral some day!

@technicalsikh9261 2 роки тому

Wow, now that's a deep explanation.

@seedmole Рік тому

Very cool stuff. One with a very fast refresh rate could be extremely useful for audio projects -- could be used for anything from displaying parameters as you edit them, to showing resulting waveforms, etc etc. The way MeeNote handles the tradeoff between low latency and full data representation reminds me of how a sequencer I'm working on handles note duration values. First it writes incoming midi key presses with a pre-adjusted dummy value for its duration (200ms is its current default), and then the location where that was written is used by another writing function once you release the key to send a duration value produced from a timer. This allows fully instantaneous writing, but also a post-hoc edit that fills in the data that did not exist at the original time of writing.

@lua-nya Рік тому

You can do that in MIDI? I am such a novice.

@RiyazAliKhanMayana Рік тому

Almost ever E ink display covered hats off

@xelemorf Рік тому

My dog just jumped up scared to death on your intro music 😂🐶

@NVAfilm Рік тому

Thank you for this video 💚

@stevenprosser8813 2 роки тому

I love epaper/eink/eReader screens! I'm a big fan, but I don't know the "techy" side of it, I just know I love them vs a traditional screen! I own a ReMarkable 2 and an Onyx Boox Nova 3 Color and they have been life changers for doing university work! I highly recommend both devices for different purposes. I will need to rematch this video again as some of it went over my head a bit, but I'm glad I now have a good resource to EXPLAIN the development behind the devices I love 😁 The other day I saw for the first time in my life eink price tags at our local grocery store!! I was so excited! And my wife thought I was a weirdo! 😅 it's so cool seeing eink and eink style technology (like the recent creation of DES by Wei Feng sold by Good Display, used in the sketchy kickstarter campaign of the company Reinkstone)! I'm looking forward to seeing what Onyx boox and Sony come up with for color eink by the end of the year 😁😃. I'm wanting a 10+ inch color screen for comic reading 🤩

@KangJangkrik Рік тому

More like "conventional" rather than "traditional", because tech like LCD and OLED are still developing to be better :)

@sirspamalot4014 Рік тому

I want to get one of these as it stands and use it as a display in a laptop for coding. I spend so long looking at a screen these days I'm getting bad eye strain, but would need colour for all the different labels or it'd be a bit of a nightmare to read.

@asandax6 Рік тому

Can't wait for 60FPS E-ink displays.

@scottwilliams895 Рік тому

Excellent video!

@houghwhite411 2 роки тому

And then another device is announced, Pine Tab. Can't wait for it to finally ship, I am curious about what e ink tech they're using

@wiegraf9009 Рік тому

Thanks so much for this great video! It helped me get oriented when just browsing stuff on Alibaba had me lost. For years I've been hoping to replace the TN LCD display on my old Thinkpad X201 with an eink display so I can use it as a portable typewriter. Is there a way to do this with current eink technology like that found on the externally controlled displays?

@wiegraf9009 Рік тому

@@KingNekodom Can you share the method with me somehow?

@Benutzername0000 7 місяців тому

some years ago, i've seen a video of a guy showing his invention at a convention. It was a color ink display that was able to refresh so fast that it was possible to watch videos smoothly. So i guess over 30 frames. He was explaining his panted and how the technology works quite thorough. I wonder very much what happend to it. Do you know what i am talking about?

@tormodnicholasmortontorger205 2 роки тому

@GSept Electronics Any links for the last 7.8" display? I wonder if that would be good for a ebike speedometer . Not many screens have the sunlight visibility of eink as fare as I see, and on a relatively slow moving think like a ebike showing only speed in 1 kmh/mph increments (or .5 steps) it should be fast enough (?)

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

Yeah you can get that exact display from Waveshare (www.waveshare.com/7.8inch-e-paper-hat.htm). Sounds like a cool project, I would’ve thought an E Ink display would be responsive enough for an ebike speedometer since it would only need to update a couple of times a second 😊

@jeffgough8862 Рік тому

Good Display Inc. make plenty of panels with fast refresh, partial updates, and yellow, red or orange secondary colour in "AiO" format, as you call it

@scottwilliams895 Рік тому

@2:05 Where can we follow up on the mentioned anticipated improved dev boards?

@NicksStuff 2 роки тому

Awesome video

@kennylex Рік тому

Is there any large screen that can be used to show calendar and reminder like a black board? After a stroke I need something that is always on, easy to read and shall not be updated too often, something that is like a cork board or a black board I can mount on a fridge or a door?

@flavortown3781 Рік тому

Would it be possible to front light one of these? Would one be possible to get one to display maps? Would one be able to get one in like 5.5x8.5ish?

@juliproo3962 2 роки тому

hi is there a 7 inch e-inc monitor out there with an hdmi port that dont requires any special drivers?

@RichardBronosky 2 роки тому

I want to learn more about interfacing with the complex all-in-one displays. I want to embed a tiny e-ink above the keyboard of my ThinkPad to serve as a gage for battery and vitals.

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

That sounds like a cool project! Have a look at the segmented E Ink displays, you can buy them on Digi Key fairly cheap 😊

@geemandem 2 роки тому

QUESTION Please, If Nokia (HMD) made the decision that the classic remake of the 3310 mobile should stay faithful with it's screen. Would these screens lend them selfs well to recreating a classic feel with updated res and sharpness? What are your thoughts on MIP screens found in the latest G-Shock watches, are the suitable for a mobile phone use case? A real classic experience with smarts running underneath. Would love to kmow your thoughts

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

I would have though not, there's no major need for an E Ink display in comparison to the old Monochrome LCD that the Nokia 3310 originally had. I also think the update limitations of an e-paper/Memory-in-Pixel display would hinder the user experience without adding an real benefit. But MIP is certainly an interesting technology in the same way E Ink/e-paper is

@DarkDragonEgg Рік тому

Is it possible to switch the "ink" out for some glow in the dark paints? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

@babajoe8025 3 роки тому

can you tell me, where I can find the first simple red segmented epaper? I mean the one that was used for fire alarms.

@GSephElec 3 роки тому

That's a prototype that E Ink did a while back, you wouldn't be able to buy these individually unfortunately

@dinoscheidt 3 роки тому

Any good ideas for a large (i.e. >10“) black-red eink displays? I want to combine four (!) of them to display a calendar, todos, server stats stats on my wall. So update time doesn’t matter really (maybe every 30 min). Waveshark has a 12.48“ black/red/white display for 200 EUR and I wonder if this is a trap, or if you can think of a better alternative. All the best from Berlin, Germany. Subscribed ! Waveshare: 1304×984, 12.48inch E-Ink display module, red/black/white three-color

@GSephElec 3 роки тому

200 EUR for a 12” B/W/R display seems about right to me. No idea what you’d do with 4 of them though 😂 big displays like that are usually used for signage like advertising or in shops, so not too sure what sort of project you could use it for at home. But what you’ve suggested already sounds really interesting.

@dinoscheidt 3 роки тому

Thanks @@GSephElec ! I‘ll go with them than. And regarding size requirement (let me put my brag hat on): Todos, Calendar, Action Items Scrum Meetings, Financials of Three Companies, Tracking of investments, Health Metric Server Architecture, Training data form machine learning systems, my personal health data like weight (lockdown... its bad... really bad), important emails, status smart home... and so on and so on... maybe 4 are not enough 🧐 anyway that’s the reason why eInk... to much waste of energy running that one standard lcd screens

@LOogt 2 роки тому

very cool

@andreichernyshev8554 2 роки тому

very useful

@applefanXXX Рік тому

Anyone know where / if I could get a custom size manufactured e-ink display? Black text with white background, approx 500x110mm in size?

@andresbodenheimer5155 Рік тому

Hi ! Amazing work man ! How did you get all this displays. I want to by the 7.8" screen for an ebook project but don't find it on internet. Thanks for answering 🙃

@GSephElec Рік тому

Waveshare sell a 7.8” E Ink display, same model as in the video. Just search on their website 😊

@adroharv9213 2 роки тому

great video. Are there any machines that allow for simply taking notes or writing lists. I'd after a simple device that I can use just for making notes. Perhaps even a keyboard plugged as well

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

Check out the reMarkable tablets. I think they’re the best selling E Ink note taking brand 😊

@adroharv9213 2 роки тому

@@GSephElec thanks I shall take a good look

@sephers2 Рік тому

@@KingNekodom When this was filmed, MeeNote was a proof of concept. I’m not sure if anyone has taken that concept into production, so the closest thing would be ReMarkable.

@32rq Рік тому

What is that 1.1" round complex all in one model?

@christopherhavoc 2 роки тому

I’d love to hear what you think about the eink car.

@chrisr1241 10 місяців тому

Very good video! Can you tell me where I can get these complex all in one round displays? Found nothing online…

@GSephElec 10 місяців тому

Might have to contact E Ink direct for that one I’m afraid, I haven’t seen people like Waveshare selling them.

@momiswatchingyou2488 Рік тому

5:51 i'm sorry to ask but where did you buy the small bar graph display and the number "10" on the flex cable?

@GSephElec Рік тому

Digi Key, search for “SCD722003”

@momiswatchingyou2488 Рік тому

@@GSephElec thanks

@user-jt5vm3mi1w Рік тому

Yes

@devicemodder Рік тому

I have an HDMI E-ink from aliexpress that can do 15 frames per second. I have a video of it on my channel hooked up to a snes.

@MsHojat Рік тому

Is it not possible to have black and white e-ink displays to have their whites be retroreflective? It seems like a good way to increase readability in some cases where one might want an extra-bright display or better visibility in the dark.

@jamianh4502 Рік тому

I'm sure it's possible, although I don't think a retro-reflective "background" would provide a significant advantage over simply increasing the brightness/purity of the white. Plus by nature of how it would bounce light back I could see it causing unwanted irritation from different brightness values if there's a light source behind the reader.

@albertgerard4639 Рік тому

awesome

@zoewalker2064 Рік тому

Could you do a review commercial e-ink readers and compare the benifits vs prices?

@cookie_yomenai9551 3 роки тому

Hi, is MeeNote already commercially available? If yes, can you share how to purchase the device and at what cost? Thanks.

@GSephElec 3 роки тому

No unfortunately it's a proof of concept at the moment.

@kbhasi 3 роки тому

It's a concept, but similar technology already seems to be used by stuff like reMarkable, Supernote, and Boox Nova/Note/Max.

@johngreen2468 2 роки тому

@@GSephElec make sure to update when its ready; affordable eink-based monitor replacement is what many ppl need, even if it was to be ~7inch

@aniruddhamishra7421 2 роки тому

Hey, we are looking for commercial application of E-ink tablets. Any idea how much does it cost for 10.3" size, Android based E-ink tablets at OEM level? Any reputed OEM/ODM supporter?

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

I don't know of any E Ink OEMs I'm afraid. I'd get in contact with Ineltek ( www.ineltek.com/en/unternehmen/standorte/ ) who supply the E Ink panels and we might be able to support you in finding a partner?

@lp3037 2 роки тому

I have seen article about people trying to hack their e-reader as external monitor. Question about externally controlled display: How is the screen refreshing rate? Is it good enough to be used for word processing?

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

For something like word processing, I’d say yes but it would take a bit of getting used to. If you’ve ever used a Kindle/other e-reader and used the text input function for searching or setting up wifi, you’ll know that it’s possible but just a bit too slow for comfort

@bummers Рік тому

Just noticed that the video is from a year back. So is this like production ready or is there a kit we can buy already?

@GSephElec Рік тому

I don’t think so, no, it was a prototype kit made by E Ink but I don’t think any companies picked the concept up.

@MagivaIT 3 роки тому

did i miss you talking about waveshare devices driven off of ESP8266 / 32 ? or is there a reason you dont mention these ?

@GSephElec 3 роки тому

The waveshare ESP8266/32 driver board is for easily connecting an Espressif device to one of Waveshares boards. I'm only talking about E Ink panels here, not the host micros that are driving them. Some of Waveshare's boards use E Ink panels, so this video will cover some of that.

@MagivaIT 3 роки тому

@@GSephElec no no it was a double question, the waveshare displays in general as they have the tri-colour types and using the spi to esp8266 as an ultralow power option. With waveshares 7.5" 2colour display now around $45 it brings the development of them into many more hands with the need for a pi

@notmyname9062 2 роки тому

@@MagivaIT I also found the waveshare e-inks and need at least 4.8" preferrably 7.5" (b/w would be enough) display running on a Raspberry Pi, but those long taking fullscreen updates and no partial updates are inacceptable for my usecase. What i got from the video however this mostly depends on the display driver board? So i wonder if this could be solved with a different driver board? Where can i find such? Current but imperfect workaround would be to use 2-3 2.8" displays (also waveshare) which can update much faster.

@trixniisama 2 роки тому

@@notmyname9062 But what is your usecase first ?

@notmyname9062 2 роки тому

@@trixniisama I want to display weather data that only updates every few minutes and i don't want the display to emit light by itself.

@Boxersteavee Рік тому

Idea: cinema timing boards, price cards in shops and school information boardsshould be e-ink

@NicksStuff 2 роки тому

With your knowledge on e-ink display, would you have an e-reader recommendation? Something that works well with ebooks AND websites, maybe?

@trixniisama 2 роки тому

Check out some boox e-reader

@NicksStuff 2 роки тому

@@trixniisama Thanks

@lapitop4206 2 роки тому

might be better to make ur own.

@yurkshirelad Рік тому

That watch display looks pretty cool. I bet they're quite expensive.

@reviewchan9806 2 роки тому

Any updates on fastest refresh e-ink displays?

@GSephElec 2 роки тому

From what I’ve seen, the technology is still limited to the update speeds I’ve shown, but I’d also be interested to see if they improve that in the future. I think E Ink are focusing a lot on their colour displays, like the ACeP technology, and working on improving the contrast of those displays - at the moment the ACeP displays have colours that are a bit washed out.

@g43s Рік тому

pebble did it in 2016 for their Smart Watch, and those were colored displays.

@bingusbongus9807 Рік тому

how far do you think e-ink will progress in the coming years or decades?? im very curious what someone with expertise thinks, will e-inks ever become good enough to be laptop displays for example? or is it simply impossible despite whatever innovation or technological increase there is.

@martincerny3294 Рік тому

Check out Boox Nova 3 Color, we're getting close.

@chrisbrendel9527 Рік тому

I have a student who has achromatopsia. Without getting too far into the weeds of the condition, I am curious if there are e-ink displays that can effectively be used as a primary display. I don't think the refresh rates are high enough to use for normal tasks, such as browsing websites. Any thoughts? Thank you for such niche videos.

@N4CR5 Рік тому

Scrolling won't work well but static page display they shine at. I think they are better than high DPI backlit displays.

@4.0.4 Рік тому

Technology connections did a couple videos on e-Ink as a "main" display but how would e-Ink help, anyway? You can have a regular black and white image on any monitor...

@Upbeat_Impact Рік тому

Can ESL be bought below $5 from anywhere ?

@GSephElec 10 місяців тому

Have a look at the Waveshare website if you’re buying 1 display, or alternatively contact E Ink if buying in bulk, sub $5 is possible if you’re buying enough panels, depends on size of course.

@mennims Рік тому

Great video. Inb4 100k subs

@tarassu Рік тому

Are there simple e-ink displays that are good for direct outdoor use? Display that works between -25*C up to +40*C in shade plus direct sunshine (that means UV resistant). Water ingress IP65 at least I think. Controlling it can be done from inside device case (controller can be inside) but wiring must be simple (flat ribbon is not robust enough). Black/white, update speed within 3 seconds.

@ArthArmani Рік тому

i think Apple is working on E lnk displays.

@WaschyNumber1 2 роки тому

I have a e-ink 2.1" Bluetooth tag, but I'm looking for a android app that works with it. 😔

@UltimatePerfection Рік тому

Wow, it almost as fast as the original Gameboy's LCD. Almost.

@KM____________ Рік тому

all they need to do is make the full update less jaring, imagine a wash from top to bottom... So many researchers would switch to reading articles on e-ink straight away. Sometimes I don't understand why companies can't make a useful product.

@joetoebkanaal Рік тому

Nice haircut mate

@bagged_milk67 Рік тому

Can you game on e-ink displays?

@DanielM111 Рік тому

Love this display tech, but it's still so insanely expensive...

@lastwymsi Рік тому

Well... now we gotta get doom running on it.

@maxwell_edison849 Рік тому

I have really crazy ideas for the usage of E-Ink, but it's a shame that it feels somewhat stifled of a tech. E-Ink the company itself does the most innovation (and costing a lot) while others lag behind. So much to do still...

@Daniel32396 Рік тому

Thought I'd see him playing doom on it or something.

@laughingvampire7555 Місяць тому

I want cherry-mx compatible e-ink keycaps

@jeowf Рік тому

Nice video! Less headroom on the recording of yourself would be nice :)

@RJiiFin Рік тому

No, I have never seen an E Ink Display update that quickly

@sergiomissaglia6380 Рік тому

Imagine an e-ink, that has colours, a super contrast ratio, and 120hz refresh... 🥴

@Camelotsmoon Рік тому

I'm a big believer in e-ink. Just imagining stretching e-ink too its absolute limits just sounds amazing to me if someone could pull it off. Just imagine, a blazing fast refresh speed that sips battery; that paired with future battery tech, I could imagine a phone lasting a month or longer without a charge. Watches would be a great place for e-ink also... I've sworn off electronic watches just because I don't want to have 57 different things I need to charge everynight, but I'd be open to an e-ink one. Color is another thing I'm excited to see in E-ink... I've heard whispers of color screens, but not too much. Color would be great also.

@RemiDupont 2 роки тому

Love the video but the noise suppression/compression on your voice is awful!

@AmaroqStarwind Рік тому

I want a self-illuminating e-Ink display that uses phosphorescent pigments (glow-in-the-dark) and a SED backlight (surface electron discharge; basically a grid of extremely tiny oscilloscope CRTs).