Will you ever use cable tray AGAIN? This cable basket is FAST - Marco Steel Wire Cable Tray
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День томуCould this steel wire cable tray speed up your next electrical installation? Lots of electricians think cable basket is just for data and light-duty electrical installations.
Perhaps it's time to think again - Gary Hayers gets to grip with the bolt croppers and shows how to cut and bend cable basket.
All you need is a cable basket bolt cropper and some simple Marco Quik Clik joiners.
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00:00 Marco steel wire cable tray by Atkore
00:05 Or as you might know it - cable basket
00:20 Is cable basket an alternative to cable trays?
00:59 How to cut cable basket.
01:29 Cutting angle is key.
03:20 Joining lengths of cable basket
03:48 Joining cable basket with an MCFJC coupler
04:16 Marco coupler MCHC-S
04:43 Marco coupler MCSSC
05:28 Quik Clik system
06:07 Fabricating a 90-degree bend cable basket MCCA
06:52 Fabricating a radius 90-degree bend MCQLS
08:23 Internal 90-degree bend
09:05 Fixing cable basket to Unistrut MCFUSC
09:36 Electrozinc as standard other finishes to order
09:50 Wire cable tray size options and accessories
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@jsecret9459 3 роки тому
I always just use the off cut pins as fuses.
@efixx 3 роки тому
🤦🏻♂️
@markrainford1219 3 роки тому
Top tip.
@Blackanstein 3 роки тому
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@solidus784 3 роки тому
500A slow blow
@rimmersbryggeri 3 роки тому
My dad used to work in a barn in his teens. Had tar and fabic insulated cables and fuses made of cut nails. Guess what happened to that barn.
@cprfenom 3 роки тому
Love seeing Gaz still excited to mess around with fabrication. Good, Clear and precise video as always!!
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thanks Chris 🦾
@sparky1543 3 роки тому
Basket is ideal for t&e, cat6 fire alarms. Swa on trays, for obvious reasons.
@Dog-whisperer7494 3 роки тому
Wow I love it what a brilliant idea much easier and better than cable tray 👍❤️it. Another fantastic video and demonstration from Gary and Gordon
@_Miner 3 роки тому
Aside from electrical installations I install this at the back of office desks for cable neatness. Keeps all those extensions, power, network, phone cables etc.. off the floor. A step up from what I used to use (Guttering).
@efixx 3 роки тому
Guttering 😂
@atkoreunistrutmarco 3 роки тому
Fantastic video guys! 👏
@rachelthornton4161 Рік тому
Been using basket for years on residential, love it, only use a cable tray for big cables now tbh, switchrooms etc
@Graham_Langley 3 роки тому
Used three 3m lengths of a competitors version to run network, RF and other low-voltage stuff the length of the house in the loft here. Just a straight run with a simple 90º bend at one end. First time I'd used anything like thus and I'd definitely use it again.
@aldrindacanay2365 6 місяців тому
I am installing that kind today with a multiple size, I love it and so easy to install
@ElectricianTV 3 роки тому
i remember being on site peel centre Metropolitan police training Centre hendon when this stuff came out in about 2002 the sales man came on site and gave a Demonstration. Great stuff never looks as neat as tray. Cheers for the video
@markandrews8437 3 роки тому
We use a lot of clip together basket basically one end into the other self locking. You both look like a pair of characters from the sweeney, love the vids and info thanks for sharing guys 👍
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thanks - The 1970's vibe is only around until the end of #Movember
@michaellynch1589 2 місяці тому
Love watching your videos
@aDanishDude 3 роки тому
The knipex mini boltcutters is an excellent tool for working with these.
@ChrisCherry 3 роки тому
Ace video, I’ve got to give this ago now!
@MrKeefy 2 роки тому
Did a job in stainless basket in 2008. After a couple weeks the croppers became dull and didn't cut as well. I found the basket needed more support than a regular tray would especially on bends and sets etc
@mtparkourartist 3 роки тому
I was thinking about forging the cuts into something lol. The hoarder in me feels like im wasting them
@n4thb4dc0 3 роки тому
Is there a new trend in moustache's? Gary going for the handle bar like Paul Teutal Sr
@JD_London 3 роки тому
Movember
@democracyforall 3 роки тому
Will it be part of edition 19?
@JD_London 3 роки тому
@@democracyforall that's the word on the curb lol
@markrainford1219 3 роки тому
Yes, but that isn't it.
@effervescence5664 3 роки тому
Used this for around 10 years in factories we look after, so much quicker than tray. Though you do have to be careful of where it is used as sometimes it's not appropriate for the environment.
@efixx 3 роки тому
Great comment thanks for sharing 🦾.
@obd6HsN 3 роки тому
Looks nice, and easy to use! Are all the clips equally-suited to maintaining Earthing continuity?
@Bowie997 3 роки тому
Used this in industrial enviroment alot in the 600mm version from competitor, job needed upwards of 50 lengths holding cables as big as a 4 core 240mm sy cable needed two runs side by side due to amount of wiring. And also used on other jobs with large armoureds it just needs extra unistrut on larger cables
@eddieellison7959 3 роки тому
Used this stuff since 2004 in various manufacturer products mainly for data/comms fibre and lighter cabling. Tray is better for fixing heavier type cables due to the equal spaced slots for fixing cable ties across, given the rigidness of these cables makes for a more pleasing install and look. I always wondered if these basket companies would provide a better cost-effective fixing for these types of cables in baskets as it is easier to work without a doubt, but why most of us sparks opt for the "tray way", that said I am always open to new products that make the job easier and the costs cheaper just to get that big job ;-) keep up the cracking work guys, my apprentices love your vids always recommend they watch.👍👍 Ed
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thanks Ed - great to hear your views on the use of basket. If you or your apprentices want us to explore any applications, new products or regulation stuff - then just let us know. 😀
@paulprescott7913 3 роки тому
We do still sell a lot of tray, as someone else has mentioned it rather depends on the installation. Legrand is more popular than Marco, but Pemsa is a better product than all of them and an easier company to deal with. Personally speaking i have used it in my workshop as shelving in combination with cantilever arms . Its lighter and cheaper and more flexible than wood.
@raychambers3646 3 роки тому
I quite like this product but you must know how it's going to run to order the correct joiners, but with tray nuts and bolts will usually see you through.
@jamesmocock4516 3 роки тому
Can’t put big armoured on basket and bends to easily but is very quick to install compared to tray
@fraserreid719 3 роки тому
Yeah basket is for data only in my eyes. Wouldn't run a 185 4 core on a basket
@matthewcarr7952 3 роки тому
Surprised Gary didn't make an Electricians Christmas wreath out of that!
@efixx 3 роки тому
Love it
@efixx 3 роки тому
Tune in to our Live stream tonight at 8pm and we may have a surprise!
@sbmorris2k6 3 роки тому
Good tip is to only cut one side on the bottom supports at opposite end so you can clamp them together and add extra support to the bottom, same as the sides 👍
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thanks for that 👍
@georgistehov6076 5 місяців тому
Great presentation. On Marco's website I found that the maximum span between two supports can be up to 2 metres (depends of the load, environment). Can I use 1.4 metres between the trapezes for a 100mm cable basket for internal installation? Trapezes within 300mm of bends and sets. Only 6 T&E 2.5mm cables will be installed.
@thewarr10r1 3 роки тому
Yeah, love using basket.. So easy to install.. Although tray is still favoured on most sites for some reason? 🤔
@efixx 3 роки тому
Would be good to understand why people still favour tray.
@thewarr10r1 3 роки тому
I think it might be to do with how the swa cables look once they're clipped...
@notbadforasparky4791 3 роки тому
Because cables can look messy when lashed into basket. Tray is pretty much solid when viewed from below.
@Lom1992 3 роки тому
my personal guesses for cable tray/basket advantages pros basket: -cheap on material an price -light weight on carrying structure -quick mounting with small number of parts -easy cleanability -easy cable finding and tracing -high accessability-> no need for later adaption -heat dissipation is very good, maybe smaller wire diameter possible cons basket: -less carrying capability in total (wild guess, i didnt look at specs!) -avoid putting heavy cables on top of smaller ones to avoid pressure marks(do that in trays too! but the damage in baskets is worse because of less carrying surface) -i personaly dont know how to PROPER treat the cuttings not to be sharp. Like thin metal sheets, they are always sharp or pointy - i personaly would not "pull" or "drag" than rather put or place cables in these because of the pointy things (i had alot bleeding underarms in my apprenticeship, but not only because of these ) and sharp angles because of the small basket wire radius -no "clean" way to hide excess/spare cable -how to mount rails to cover larger vertical lengths pro trays: - i like the organized look even the cables are not well put in there (in some adjusting jobs you cant avoid it) -in case its necessary and you have a gentle footstep, you can walk on them (i dont recommend it!!! know your materials and bodyweight ;) ) -mounting small devices is super easy on the outside (screws pointing to the outside of the tray!) and many more...... personal resume: i like it very much for smaler cables like network etc, machines with many sensors and less big cables. They are not very common in Germany as far as i know, i only ever had one customer using these. ps: sry for my bad english, this is my personal opinion, feel free to correct me greetings from bavaria
@filipe.skunk8 3 роки тому
Different materials for different applications even through they all serve the same purpose.. to run cables in. It’s been around for decades too
@hogg8888 3 роки тому
Great video! Does anyone know where there is a video like this but with tray instillation?
@efixx 3 роки тому
This may help ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gaBjep1_p6Z1mnk.html All the best. Gaz 🦾
@hogg8888 3 роки тому
@@efixx legend !nice one. this is great thanks a ;lot !
@brianwood5220 3 роки тому
I remember when i were a lad. No, but seriously guys. Cablofil were selling this back in 2002 with similar fixings for bends in all directions. Wasn't very widely used back then. Maybe now we'll see a resurgence.
@whatthedeuse 3 роки тому
Miniature bolt croppers 🤣. If your doing lots of basket Klauke electric shears are the way to go 🤗 I prefer the Legrand system, a far more positive connection with the straight joints
@LindaTheLearner 3 роки тому
Gaz, them facial caterpillars looking set to march ... scary !! 😧
@mohammedobeid7643 3 роки тому
What is the loading per meter. Thinking of spec’ing this.
@sparkymalarky4322 3 роки тому
Do they offer any divider strip for segregation. Any ideas for bonding each section together as im not sure you could rely on those clips for a Mechanical connection like you do with tray nuts and bolts?. Like installing this stuff but only ever used on comms
@efixx 3 роки тому
Yes you can get dividers and a whole raft of earthing options - www.marcocm.com/Steel-Wire-Cable-Tray
@abscomm 3 роки тому
I was using something VERY similar 15 years ago in the USA, can't believe it's taken so long to get into popular use in UK.
@patrickoregan2148 3 роки тому
Tray would probably visibly better looking with dressed cable. Main reason i can think of for tray being more popular is its the 1st thing sparks will think of and the job designer wouldn't care about making the sparks life easier
@anthonybragg 3 роки тому
Are these clips and fixings new as last time we used it I don't think they were available a follow up with fixings/hangers would be nice . I need to update my information on this range as there is an easier way.
@efixx 3 роки тому
Some are some aren’t - it took us quite a while to navigate the various part numbers - all starting MC!
@christastic100 3 роки тому
Scraps for fuse wire 🤪 should blow about 500 amps . Ideal for your table lamp . 🔥 But seriously I need to go over to basket tray . Wonder if they do easy fit stand off brackets
@efixx 3 роки тому
🤣
@davey6024 3 роки тому
Its good for data, hvac etx but really wouldn't like to put armoured on it.
@rossmurdoch1886 3 роки тому
Good presentation though guys
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thanks 👍
@yr1309 Рік тому
Can this be cut by a regular 10" aviation snips?
@thatgreeklad7251 3 роки тому
Do I see a Ring video in the making set up in the back ground..?
@efixx 3 роки тому
🤫
@bramcoteelectrical1088 2 роки тому
haha my next domestic rewire going to get fancy....
@andyburns 3 роки тому
Presume you can't mix mains, cat5 and 12v cables in a single basket? Do they do a version with different "compartments" similar to dado trunking?
@efixx 3 роки тому
You can get dividers to create compartments.
@andyburns 3 роки тому
@@efixx should have known, the part number is MCD for divider
@muzikman2008 3 роки тому
you could use the off cuts as fuses lol... don't try that at home kids :-D great stuff!..i wonder how it would cope with SWA, looks a bit flimsy for that. ideal for data and comms, fire alarm cables etc.
@LoanNguyen-oh1jw 2 роки тому
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
@conkcat 3 роки тому
This has been around for years, used extensively in Europe Asia , China and USA, I know this because I work for the welding equipment manufacturer.
@abdullahseba4375 3 роки тому
Is there any reason why basket is usually used for data? I've installed Legrand cable basket and it seems more than capable of holding the heavy cable.
@efixx 3 роки тому
Thats a great question - lets see if any of the other comments shine a light on the reasoning.
@michaelwilliams3648 3 роки тому
Because large gaps allow you to drop cable at any point along the length. Move the cabs slightly over or new servers have ports on the opposite side it’s no issue just pull the cable down through the basket’s gaps. On cable tray, you’re going to need to take a drill and make a nice hole for cables. Drills mean swarf and bits. No one wants swarf over 100K of hardware that can be running millions of pounds worth of operations. Tray would be grate on first set up but over time you need to rerun cable and basket allows that at no risk
@neil6438 3 роки тому
I was told Basket is used for data cables because its better at dissipating the heat from them.
@abdullahseba4375 3 роки тому
@@neil6438 Heat??? I'm an IT admin and heat is not a thing from data cables! Not even with POE. A cable with a 15kW fan heater at the end of it is what gets hot (or rather, warm)! If cooling is the reason, however, sounds like a better excuse to use them for power cabling. Personally, I use cable trays because I like the look of them and I like the idea of clearly separating data and power channels - thought this is not necessarily a good reason. Cable baskets are easy to use with velcro ties that are commonly used for bundles of data cable. It allows for new cables to be added easily.
@democracyforall 3 роки тому
How about different sizes of width?
@efixx 3 роки тому
50 to 600mm 👍
@fadsdsdsds 9 місяців тому
The guys around leave a lot of pieces in and then bend them so that the basket still has sidewall
@oDubnobasswithmyhead 2 роки тому
Use the knippex basket cutters lot easier.
@JohnDundee-el2ro 2 місяці тому
Better than Lego eh lads
@rossmurdoch1886 3 роки тому
Basket looks good until you try to dress the cabling. Multiple data cables or ELV in an attic ok but trunking and tray always looks like a professional installation to me. Basket has a place but it's not perfect for all applications Cheers
@stanleef 2 роки тому
sounds like you need to watch my youtube video on cable management.
@timkelliher6855 3 роки тому
The only problem with basket no one files it down on cuts and when pulling cables it rips your handsto bits and have had few nasty scars on face
@michaeldunham3385 3 роки тому
would have been better to show how secure the uni-strut clamps were.....also we call it basket tray here.
@efixx 3 роки тому
More basket action coming soon
@carmicheal7 2 роки тому
I paint the off cuts white and sell them on ebay as kids candy. Its a great solution to obesity.
@efixx 2 роки тому
😂
@shaynemacdonald3051 3 роки тому
Basket isn't strong enough for SWA. Well a decent size SWA
@cocoino2307 3 роки тому
i want to see them run a 25mm SWA on basket
@johncunningham3547 3 роки тому
Wants to be José I think
@stevenredmond7455 3 роки тому
I know a great place for basket. In the fcuking bin.
@Extra_Mental 3 роки тому
These arent great low to the ground or around forklifts, they get stepped on and ran into to totally destroy them, a normal cable tray of similar size stands up far better
@rossmurdoch1886 2 роки тому
It can take longer to run cables in and the nose always wants to poke through the gaps. You should tape a length of plastic conduit on to it if you're going any distance. Still prefer tray though 🙂
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