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On our latest episode of Tech Talk, hosts Craig Scarborough and Sam Collins explore the engine cylinder, focusing on how the pistons and connecting rods work.
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@CaptainPanick
@CaptainPanick 2 роки тому
These two presenters are absolute pro's. The way they discuss the technical topics seemingly without cuts in their dialogue and seemingly not reading from a teleprompter with zero mistakes is impressive to say the least.
@Samsthings
@Samsthings 2 роки тому
Yep this is all just us chatting!
@CaptainPanick
@CaptainPanick 2 роки тому
@@Samsthings Both my wife and myself love your show Sam, I'm really impressed by your knowledge and your obvious enthusiasm about the technical stuff. Just overall impressed by your presentation skills. You make it look easy but I know it is not.
@Brandon-qy4rs
@Brandon-qy4rs 2 роки тому
F1 needs more of this. Really miss hearing an engineers thoughts durring the race weekend.
@bobkeul7682
@bobkeul7682 Рік тому
Sam Collins the most bias toxic person, calling Max overrated.. why is he getting a podium?
@simplesimon755
@simplesimon755 2 роки тому
3:30 Sam always looks so happy anytime Craig pulls out his homemade props. Such a great duo.
@ch4se98
@ch4se98 2 роки тому
that smile too
@liamburgess5029
@liamburgess5029 2 роки тому
I assume it’s staged/scripted of some sort but idk but I love this duo they are so wholesome
@ttopiass
@ttopiass 2 роки тому
@@liamburgess5029 of course it is somewhat scripted. No one in in the world could be this smooth and have such a compact and information packed conversation without preplanning it first.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 роки тому
Awful zero knowledge presenters picked for their looks and voices.
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf 2 роки тому
Now this is why I'm interested in F1, not the guys driving the cars, although obviously the drivers competition is interesting too, but the technology is beyond incredible. I could watch this type of content all day every day! Give me more of this please, and I don't often ask for much, but this, I'll pay for!
@ze_rubenator
@ze_rubenator 2 роки тому
This is what I thought the TV show would be about. Boy was I disappointed when I realised it's just about manufactured drama.
@1991skd
@1991skd 2 роки тому
Well if you’re willing to pay then I’m sure a subscription to F1TV would get you more content like this.
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf 2 роки тому
@@1991skd if it did I would subscribe but I'd like more information first as I'm not sure exactly what they have right now?
@EVENo94
@EVENo94 2 роки тому
@@GB-vn1tf What they have right now is 40 minutes Tech Talks episodes every GP. But still, the best bites are here on YT.
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf 2 роки тому
@@EVENo94 thanks for that, much appreciated.
@TheLastTater
@TheLastTater 2 роки тому
I love this info! These segments are great! I would say, that most road cars are around 10:1 petrol compression ratio and 16:1 - 19-1 diesel compression ratio. So a 18:1 compression ratio for a petrol engine is just bonkers!
@farmsquatter625
@farmsquatter625 2 роки тому
I had to replay when he said that lol...
@MMAli-rq8kd
@MMAli-rq8kd 2 роки тому
Thanks for the info ! I was really curious !
@mbarbe007
@mbarbe007 2 роки тому
7:1 in a road car?!? That’s nonsense. More like 9.5-12.5:1 nowadays. 7:1 in what? A 1915 Model T???
@_shreyash_anand
@_shreyash_anand 2 роки тому
@@mbarbe007 maybe he means turbos. Turbos don't have very high compression ratios because of the air pressure. But 18:1 is very nearly the same as what modern diesels run at Insane
@SundbyCPH
@SundbyCPH 2 роки тому
The Suzuki Swift 1.0 with turbo has 10.0:1 and 1.2 without turbo has 12.5:1, and these are very average engines.
@tylervanorman492
@tylervanorman492 2 роки тому
Ohhhh yeah, solid engine nerd out. Loved this one guys
@sanfordcurtis8242
@sanfordcurtis8242 2 роки тому
BTEC Phil Collins has the nerdiest voice I’ve ever heard
@Shiggiesmalls02
@Shiggiesmalls02 2 роки тому
@@sanfordcurtis8242 all he needs his to snort really loudly after hes went into something technical
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 роки тому
Name one fact they mention that is tech information.
@tylervanorman492
@tylervanorman492 2 роки тому
@@johnsmith1474 0.6 mm shrinkage
@V8HiluxZX6R
@V8HiluxZX6R 2 роки тому
@@sanfordcurtis8242 hehe I thought I was alone in thinking he sounded like Phil Collins... I mean, ditch the glasses and he looks a lil like him too.
@chanman4rings
@chanman4rings 2 роки тому
I was never too interested in the really techy stuff of F1 until we got these two together. Two completely diff individuals with great chemistry between them. I'm going to enjoy watching them teach us about the new cars next year as the teams develop them
@giomilahy
@giomilahy 2 роки тому
I love this neerdy stuff. Keep it up.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 роки тому
Name TWO facts they state that is tech information.
@ctibpo991
@ctibpo991 2 роки тому
7:1 for a road car CR Sam? You look so much younger than 70. 😎
@VBshredder
@VBshredder 2 роки тому
yeah that caught me off as well
@philipegoulet448
@philipegoulet448 2 роки тому
I thought it wasn't that far off, but after verifying, the lowest compression ratio I could find for a car in the last 20 years was the fq-400 at 8.5. I wonder where he took that number from
@leoarc1061
@leoarc1061 2 роки тому
Quite. Engines from the 60's go well above 7:1.
@ctibpo991
@ctibpo991 2 роки тому
@@leoarc1061 Hard to think of any cars you might find on the road with that low of a ratio. Even the early Saab and Porsche turbos had higher CRs. 1200 VW Beetles are the only car I can think of.
@NERGYStudios
@NERGYStudios 2 роки тому
@@philipegoulet448 is that the Evo?
@bizling
@bizling 2 роки тому
I work for a diesel injector test equipment manufacture in the UK, and commerical vehicle tech is actually amazing bits of kit, the engines and systems are efficient and have long service lifes.
@adrianmifsud80
@adrianmifsud80 2 роки тому
Honda CVCC 1970's Civic and Accord engines had pre chamber to ignite a weak mixture. They passed emissions regulations without a catalytic converter.
@marktaylor865
@marktaylor865 2 роки тому
Wouldn't pass today's though
@marjoh669
@marjoh669 2 роки тому
Didn’t they also troll GM by implementing that technology in one of their V8’s? XD
@hiigara2085
@hiigara2085 2 роки тому
Someone has watched up to speed haha
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 2 роки тому
@@marjoh669 what engine was that? I heard Honda never made a production level/road car V8
@bradarsenault6984
@bradarsenault6984 2 роки тому
@@marjoh669 Yes, they did it for very little cost after GM proposed that it would be impossible for them to do without fully redesigning their engine architecture.
@patrickDTC
@patrickDTC 2 роки тому
Nice to see Phil Collins is doing well.
@rattusnorvegicus4380
@rattusnorvegicus4380 2 роки тому
Desperate Dan or Ogri.
@danielfreer9540
@danielfreer9540 2 роки тому
When Sam talks about the forces causing deformation... it's wild. I witnessed a motor blow in a friend's race car where the piston rod twisted and pulled apart. Didn't make you think of a piece of solid steel or aluminum.
@CellarDoorCS
@CellarDoorCS 2 роки тому
This is excellent! We need more of these high level technical talks!
@bio_f1
@bio_f1 2 роки тому
If Valteri had a wdc for every engine he took he would have been the 2nd most successful driver to Hamilton and Schumacher
@ellazychavito9222
@ellazychavito9222 2 роки тому
@Pauline Weinberger nah he had an issue with the engine from Russia
@shaggydoggs
@shaggydoggs 2 роки тому
so 3rd most successful
@googlreviews7813
@googlreviews7813 2 роки тому
@@shaggydoggs Haha I was going to say the same thing 😄
@bio_f1
@bio_f1 2 роки тому
Yeah basically. Want me to edit it?
@tseland
@tseland 2 роки тому
Maybe mercedes is testing new engine parts in Bottas’ car for «reliability reasons», then when they figure out a version with more power Luis gets one too?
@UnknOwnParad0x
@UnknOwnParad0x 2 роки тому
Valtteri receiving one after the other: Traditions
@maksimivanov5417
@maksimivanov5417 2 роки тому
Or his team simply set his engine to 100% performance (~quali mode) during the Turkey race, in order to not let Max win it.
@jasperjones5489
@jasperjones5489 2 роки тому
Shout out to the big homie Sam keep doing it
@t3h51d3w1nd3r
@t3h51d3w1nd3r 2 роки тому
Brilliant show, I would love to see longer segments, these guys have great chemistry and always have interesting information on current tech.
@Angry_Squirrel555
@Angry_Squirrel555 2 роки тому
Fascinating vid and great knowledge too from the best! Keep it up!
@MrMysurf
@MrMysurf 2 роки тому
Keep up the education of F1 Tech mahalo
@josephdonald1961
@josephdonald1961 2 роки тому
Ah yes, 2 akamai guys with something to teach eager F1 fans before the next race........... I love it!
@jeffcanyafixiy
@jeffcanyafixiy 2 роки тому
EXCELLENT work gentlemen. This is by far the best source of information for F1. 👍🇺🇸👍🏁
@skazztheterrible
@skazztheterrible 2 роки тому
That conrod would take 12 metres a minute worth of stretch/compression at 20k rpm if it was linear. Yowsers.
@MMAli-rq8kd
@MMAli-rq8kd 2 роки тому
Wow ! Thanks for the illustration.
@Frocobo
@Frocobo 2 роки тому
What a geek... And I absolutely love it! ;)
@gerardrafael
@gerardrafael 2 роки тому
Thank you f1 for these tech talks! Really amazing to watch!
@kryten88
@kryten88 2 роки тому
That is mad how different that looks to a normal piston.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 2 роки тому
It's no so different no. The materials are better, and if you had a set you would see the match much more closely, the tolerances are far higher. But no they don't look all that different in singles.
@kryten88
@kryten88 2 роки тому
@@johnsmith1474 what are you talking about it's really wide and really shallow. Completely different.
@gavcom4060
@gavcom4060 2 роки тому
@@kryten88 bike pistons no?
@kryten88
@kryten88 2 роки тому
@@gavcom4060 i have absolutely zero interest in bikes but I googled it and they look just the same as a normal car piston 🤷🏻‍♂️ nothing like this
@Dr.Kornelius
@Dr.Kornelius 2 роки тому
Statment from Mercedes: "We had to give Valtteri new ICE because we discovered one piston has gone missing from the engine after leaving Turkey 👀"
@Lance_Lough
@Lance_Lough 2 роки тому
Super team. Nice chemistry. Could watch these for hours..
@hirakpandya6503
@hirakpandya6503 2 роки тому
Thanks for Making F1 Techy Stuff all the more Interesting... waiting for more Tech Talk content 🙇🏻
@vonHammersmark
@vonHammersmark 2 роки тому
Best F1 content out there. Thank you very much.
@ScottMoyse
@ScottMoyse 2 роки тому
Fascinating info regarding the pre-combustion process. Thanks!
@tadroid3858
@tadroid3858 2 роки тому
Awesome piece. Thanks, gentlemen.
@devarshraval177
@devarshraval177 2 роки тому
amazing content thanks for sharing hopefully one day I can do the research, keep sharing love it
@juanvillanueva7772
@juanvillanueva7772 2 роки тому
Such an amazing and engaging information
@micsub
@micsub 2 роки тому
So interesting & these guys are so knowledgeable. Top Pros !
@gseric4721
@gseric4721 2 роки тому
Was wondering the other day how long a modern V6 Hybrid era engine would last in a conventional car on the road without any use of the MGU.
@Unamatrix01
@Unamatrix01 2 роки тому
Outstanding in depth look at current F! Cylinder technology.
@alijahan
@alijahan 2 роки тому
The f1 engine is a piece of art.
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 2 роки тому
agreed - if you had that piston & rod given to you, you'd want to display it in your house as art - well I would. Just like a gas turbine's bladed rotor - beautiful to enjoy with your eyes!
@XxRossTheGamerxX
@XxRossTheGamerxX 2 роки тому
Keep making these. Please
@joelchihota4994
@joelchihota4994 2 роки тому
Love Sam Collins ❤
@MMAli-rq8kd
@MMAli-rq8kd 2 роки тому
*Love this. Waiting for the sequel.* (let's burrow the old Honda McLaren engine maybe?).
@rossy2998
@rossy2998 2 роки тому
more of this please
@dryburn
@dryburn 2 роки тому
I’m surprised these guys know the names of these parts; “slammy uppy bits.”
@SoLDMG
@SoLDMG 2 роки тому
Spinny twirly things, flowey tubey bits
@rob46thedoctor
@rob46thedoctor 2 роки тому
CVCC scarbs remember, honda road tech from the 70s!!!!
@JOXFOX
@JOXFOX 2 роки тому
In the 80’s the compression was 8.5:1 in road cars, now its reaching 12:1, not that far from f1, certainly not 7:1 as he mentions
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 2 роки тому
18:1 was what it was limited to, meaning some teams clearly were higher. My 1985 F350 diesel is 22.5:1 compression (it's naturally aspirated so it's a bit higher than a lot of turbo diesels out there) so he's not that far off on at least the diesel comparison.
@_shreyash_anand
@_shreyash_anand 2 роки тому
That's in normally aspirated engines. The Ferrari 458 Speciale reached 14:1. But turbos don't go anywhere near that. 18:1 in a turbo petrol is just insane. It is actually very similar to most turbo diesels. Plus, you also need to remember that going from 12:1 to 18:1 is a 50% increase. That is a BIG difference
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 2 роки тому
@@_shreyash_anand 18:1 was not in the turbo era
@terbo2000
@terbo2000 2 роки тому
Take a drink everytime Sam makes a pun, and another one when the co-host has to fight back a chuckle.
@nm-1-m159
@nm-1-m159 2 роки тому
This is nuts, fantastic stuff
@mell3109
@mell3109 2 роки тому
Great video guys
@sammieessien
@sammieessien 2 роки тому
This is simply excellent 🙌
@MMAli-rq8kd
@MMAli-rq8kd 2 роки тому
Second that.
@petiertje
@petiertje 2 роки тому
2.5 TONS.... goodness, that really illustrate the immense force in those engines. Now I do understand why those engines are so expensive and can shred a tire in a single lap.
@SmashGhost
@SmashGhost 2 роки тому
7:1 in a road car? Maybe in the 1960s... 9.5:1 in turbo applications is common, 12:1 in NA applications.
@yorukkizigeziyor
@yorukkizigeziyor 2 роки тому
Beautiful video
@christianelst
@christianelst 2 роки тому
Great insights!!! Would be cool to see some animations too.
@andrewryder1319
@andrewryder1319 2 роки тому
Best Tech Talk yet!!!!!!!
@michagiedrojc5513
@michagiedrojc5513 2 роки тому
Pre chamber is a technology straight from early diesels from 1950 up to 1990 when most car makers switched to direct injection and then common rail.
@rickyprice7586
@rickyprice7586 2 роки тому
Great tech talk
@pn6883
@pn6883 2 роки тому
Wathing these guys is just a great comedy ..love them n their insights
@10001000101
@10001000101 2 роки тому
Brilliant video, much better than the fuel video.
@kevinbarry71
@kevinbarry71 2 роки тому
7-1 compression ratio in the road car? Maybe in the 1950s
@colinmorand129
@colinmorand129 2 роки тому
Do other parts every week, that'd be the best 👍👍
@turbo_brian
@turbo_brian 2 роки тому
7:1 for a road car? Cars haven't been that low since the 80s when turbocharged cars were first getting popular. 9:1 is about the lowest you'll see and 13:1 is about the highest
@leoarc1061
@leoarc1061 2 роки тому
Exactly. 10:1 would be about the average today.
@socketuspuppetus1216
@socketuspuppetus1216 2 роки тому
a turbocar needs alow compression ratio of about 8-9 these days.
@tonedeafprd
@tonedeafprd 2 роки тому
@@socketuspuppetus1216 because turbo 'compress' more air to the engine, so effective compression ratio will be high
@matlock77
@matlock77 2 роки тому
Great video!
@Bass-Boosted
@Bass-Boosted 2 роки тому
would have liked to see a normal road car piston next to it so see the difference... nice explaination though!
@VGRU-iv2bv
@VGRU-iv2bv 2 роки тому
Sam Collins could tell me a bed time story and I'll be out in a second
@erikbrigham8807
@erikbrigham8807 2 роки тому
MORE episodes like this one!
@f1master973
@f1master973 2 роки тому
You should had asked AER for a F1 turbo V6 piston, they had a single cilinder testbed for some manufacturer...and used their tech to get their lates LeMans V6 engine.
@andrewwagner6851
@andrewwagner6851 2 роки тому
would love to see top gear with these lads
@pagpag6300
@pagpag6300 2 роки тому
Engine sound is awesome nowadays 👌👌👌
@ivanjulian2532
@ivanjulian2532 2 роки тому
Back when the V10s were still in force, I often used to say the solution to the ever increasing upper rpm limits was not a mandatory rev limiter, but rather, a mandatory minimum conrod/piston weight. Why? If you force that combination to be heavier and heavier each year without a rev limit, the motor engineers have a dilemma - they can still go for revs at the risk of engine detonations. In terms of engine note, I personally felt 15k rpm was the sweet spot for a V10, maybe 13k rpm for a V12.
@marcnobel3938
@marcnobel3938 2 роки тому
I want a 90 Minutes Special Tech Talk with Sam and Craig together. - On a weekly base maybe? ... I could listen to that talks for hours.
@MikeeCZ
@MikeeCZ 2 роки тому
I love this stuff.
@benoitdeclercq9722
@benoitdeclercq9722 2 роки тому
What ??? so interesting guys.. awesome insides
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 2 роки тому
Seems like something that's worthwhile in today's cars. E85 with direct injection can probably run 18:1 for a daily driver. Mazda already runs 14:1 with 87 octane. If it's really that high efficiency, seems worth it.
@lcker6973
@lcker6973 2 роки тому
Please explain the mercedes rear suspension!
@benedict3456
@benedict3456 2 роки тому
18:1 compression ratio for a petrol engine. MAD.
@budyeddi5814
@budyeddi5814 2 роки тому
Sam is such a nice addition to the F1 crew line up ^_^
@Workinprogressmaxi
@Workinprogressmaxi 2 роки тому
Quality content.
@teemupallokorva
@teemupallokorva 2 роки тому
I don't know why, but this is just so fascinating to me how a piece of metal can withstand 2.5 tonnes of pressure. F1 is just so interesting to me.
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 2 роки тому
if you think about it, its only like hanging a Tesla from that 'rod. Thats not much load/mm2 for such a thick Ti cross-section
@cajaymccarthy1485
@cajaymccarthy1485 2 роки тому
this nerd session was amazing
@drblaze3850
@drblaze3850 2 роки тому
Thanks as always Moss
@PLZFrosty
@PLZFrosty 2 роки тому
It's so sad that they are not allowed to experiment with compression-ignition. F1 and motorsport in general were normally the testing grounds for new tech (or adapted tech) for our road cars. I mean, it's not only the mechanical parts that are important here, but the chemical parts too, i.e. fuel, oil, tyres, etc. Imagine how awesome it would be to have compression-ignition for petrol engines as well. By letting manufacturers research this in the sport environment takes the burden off of the R&D in the commercial environment which will accelerate R&D in general because of the resources available in the sporting side of the business. It's a free test bed to see how stuff can run in the real world. This could also spark more manufacturers to enter the sport since what they are developing in F1 can have a direct impact on their car sales. Tell me if my head is in the clouds dreaming of it as an ideal scenario instead of how it really would be. I REALLY want to see F1 tech in everyday road cars
@rohnan9675
@rohnan9675 2 роки тому
I want a 24h video of them !
@ashdivakaran9664
@ashdivakaran9664 2 роки тому
What road car is 7:1 compression ratio?
@robertbrown2728
@robertbrown2728 2 роки тому
Could somebody explain to me how the piston does not wobble about the axis of the gudgeon pin given how close together the piston rings are?
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 2 роки тому
simply because it has a thin length/section of skirt front&back to minimise the rocking. No skirt on the sides, cos got gudgeon/wrist pin to stabilise in that direction
@robertbrown2728
@robertbrown2728 2 роки тому
@@garydrew9970 thanks for that. Does that mean that the skirt at the front and back actually makes contact with the cylinder wall?
@sethlouden2529
@sethlouden2529 2 роки тому
You 2 are my favorites
@maverickshan2832
@maverickshan2832 2 роки тому
Nice IWC big pilot!! Get in there Sam
2 роки тому
so what piston they use now, steel "honeycomb" full of oil passages?
@GodsMemeTV
@GodsMemeTV 2 роки тому
could we have an episode about the rear suspension of the Mercedes compared to other cars? 🙄🖖
@NERGYStudios
@NERGYStudios 2 роки тому
I think they did a segment on that this week, not sure if it's available on YT
@aomoussynonymous8712
@aomoussynonymous8712 2 роки тому
This reminds me of J.D.M. masters K-tech video.
@bj_
@bj_ 2 роки тому
Thought he opened with "There's been a lot of torque about power units" nice wordplay
@SantosRobsonF
@SantosRobsonF 2 роки тому
I would like to see more about the cylinder head and valves actuators...I'm almost sure that F1 engines does not use camshafts
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 2 роки тому
they do use camshafts, but pneumatic closing instead of spring closing the valve for faster frequency response.
@topcat2220
@topcat2220 2 роки тому
@@garydrew9970 no valve springs can't live @ ultra high RPMS the springs won't last.
@stevemills9344
@stevemills9344 2 роки тому
What makes the Mercs and RB's faster ? and what can the other cars do ?
@unklesuga1644
@unklesuga1644 2 роки тому
The Batman and Robin of tech talk.
@PolishEddie1992
@PolishEddie1992 2 роки тому
Techity tickity talkity yay!!!
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 2 роки тому
Through the magic of two of them ...
@patrikvukoje6003
@patrikvukoje6003 2 роки тому
Are you going to talk about merc's moving rear suspension?!
@seankearney2252
@seankearney2252 2 роки тому
Suspension that moves!!!! Sounds fishy 🤦🏻‍♂️
@patrikvukoje6003
@patrikvukoje6003 2 роки тому
@@seankearney2252 its not about moving,i am not an idiot Its about how much it moves and do they move it eletronicly or other way,because it looks its "on the button" movement,suspension goes down in split of a second,not like at other cars,that is the point
@garydrew9970
@garydrew9970 2 роки тому
@@patrikvukoje6003 try taking more water with it next time!
@RoyaleDistrict
@RoyaleDistrict 2 роки тому
Just make this a Netflix original already and get this guys 10x bonus it takes a lifetime you get the knowledge they have
@tensevo
@tensevo 2 роки тому
A reliability fix, will always result in a performance improvement, because you are simply able to turn everything up a notch.
@EnderMalcolm
@EnderMalcolm 2 роки тому
Future Tech Talk episode on DRS? Some of the big points would be DRS failures leading to the wing being stuck open, and how that affects the performance of the car. Seeing as we will be loosing that with the start of the next season, it would be great to learn a bit about it before it's gone.
@kenchen704
@kenchen704 2 роки тому
First of all, DRS will be kept on the cars for next year at least. Second, you lose rear downforce, a lot of it, if your DRS is open.
@stevemcrichards8768
@stevemcrichards8768 2 роки тому
The modern combustion chamber is essentially a technology that Honda developed in the late 60's? This pre-chamber must be similar in design to what Honda's CVCC was.
@brrt1680
@brrt1680 2 роки тому
yay they got a desk
@Samsthings
@Samsthings 2 роки тому
We have always had it but rarely use it!
@brrt1680
@brrt1680 2 роки тому
@@Samsthings haha, well at least it’s getting some screen time now!
@JamesBond-vh9kn
@JamesBond-vh9kn 2 роки тому
Prechamber sounds like the old Honda CVCC engine
@dylanzrim3635
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Iron based alloy, so tungsten is likely used in the alloy.
@Spagghetimonster
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Flour based cake, so egg is likely used in the cake.
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