My dad built some of these. And they are simply amazing! How could these sound better than $10,000 speakers? I’m hooked on audio since then. My dad is the best dad ever.

Came here for cheap DIY speakers, left with an acoustic masterclasses.

Seeing him standing there with the pop music playing put a smile on my face.

Here are the facts from the video and an earlier post: The XPS panels are 1" thick x 24" x 30" (mid to Hi range unit). It is important to use XPS (Extruded PolyStyrene) panels. The balsa panels are 1/2" thick x 30" x 36" (Lo to mid range unit). Balsa panels may also be found as lightweight plywood panels used for commercial signs. The radius on all panel corners is 4" and the exciters are placed on the back, off center, based on a 2/5, 3/5 rule. So for example, the exciter on the XPS panel is located 9.6" vs 15.4" from the long sides and 12" vs 18" from the short sides. These 2 alternate positions works equally well. As explained in the sugar part of the video, counterweights should be fitted to dampen the resonance of the panels. Each panel has 4 counterweights - each weighing 1/16 of the (painted) panel weight - are placed on 2/5, 3/5 points in every small rectangle created by the position of the exciter unit. This is a bit complicated to comprehend, but watch the sugar part of the video closely, over and over until you get it. Also in the video, there is a good explanation of how and why the selected materials and panel size results in a frequency range of 130Hz-20KHz The original acoustic exciters used are : Dayton 25mm DAEX25FHE-4 (4 ea.) or as alternatives Dayton 32mm DAEX32EP-4 (4 ea.) However most likely you will have to source alternate makers units from Ebay, AliExpress, etc. Links: Dayton users guide, excellent explanation: www.daytonaudio.com/index.php/exciters-buyers-guide (scroll down) Living room test song used, for comparison: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/q3ekd29vrYhlsmg.html (Thanks to GlenGlen !) Link to build step by step: projectgallery.parts-express.com/speaker-projects/dml-flat-pannel/ IMHO instead of using an old school bass speaker, you may experiment with a deep frequency exciter. This is the unit some readers may recognize from a gamers chair, which literally kicks ass, when grenades are thrown in the game etc. Depending on actual test results such units may be placed under a table top, on the wall, on the floor etc: www.ebay.com/itm/50MM-Resonanzdampfer-Alle-Resonanz-Lautsprecher-Vibration-Starke-Bass-Speaker-fs/292413284916?hash=item441530a234:g:eCQAAOSww85aer26

Forty-three years ago my buddy's uncle demonstrated this very thing in his 1950s-era Marin County home, which had plywood paneling as ceiling material throughout the home. He effectively turned his ceilings into speakers wherever he installed the exciters. It was amazing. Just a few years prior, another buddy had a pair of exciters that could be screwed to anything to make it into a speaker. I came up with the novel idea of putting them in poly bags and suspending them in his swimming pool. We were blown away by the quality of the sound underwater. It lacked direction and seemed to envelop you completely no matter where you were in the pool. . Robin Trower's Bridge of Sighs never sounded so good, and hasn't since.

// 1:08 Dayton audio exciter // 1:30 Distributed Mode Loud speakers // Material needs: high compression strength, high flexion // materials that meet these: end grain balsa wood, extruded polystyrene foam (XPS), resonant spruce, pallet board (cardboard). // 9:00 best sound performance per dollar ==> pallet board, XPS (10:30 sanded [for flex] and rounded [for resonant dampening]). //13:10 longer ratios allow for better frequency distribution and help eliminate resonates // 17:00 explaining why bigger or longer speakers give more dynamic sound vs even high quality speakers // 18:00 resonance explanation // 21:30 explaining 3/5ths rule for resonance dampening on the exciter placement // 23:30 exciter dampening comparison //26:22 really clear comparison of high frequency resonance dampening from strategic exciter placement // 26:45 in home setup, explanation of setup on living room tv with two different speaker types for distribution // 29:16 real world example // intense DIY based off this video ukposts.info/have/v-deo/n3ergqGMpIaVuZc.html

Wow. So interesting/informative/relatable. I’m not a sound geek, but this 31 minute video has me considering all of the DIY speaker opportunities for every room in my house. Materials... shapes... sizes... colors... music genres...

You can hear just how loud that dance music is; 20 watts filling that big room. This is blowing my mind- too cool to say the least.

Sheesh, you're long winded... i love it. I love DIY but at times i find these informational videos just telling you WHAT to do, but im more interested in why to do things. You give us EVERYTHING. beautiful content. thank you sir.

I would be glad if the speakers and materials were listed in the description.

5 years later, and this is still first on my recommended list after every other DIY speaker video I watch.

"Like shaped anti-tank charges" LOL! That got a little dark out of nowhere! Love this vid!

Sorry for the microphone quality in this video. We’ve ordered a different model for all of our videos and the next segment in the series. Thanks for watching!

This guy is the science teacher I wish i always had...

Presenter: "These speakers function similarly to shaped anti-tank charges." Me, an idiot gamer, "I understand now."

You never disappoint with any of your videos! I'm extremely fond of your style and methodology of creating your videos. I became a Mechanical Engineer because I not only wanted to get a formal education on how to create new things, but also wanted to know *why* things do what they do in our world. Then, each one of those little nuggets of knowledge became tools & components to build more complex tools, components, devices, and projects. In other words, I enjoy the way you show how to build very interesting projects, but truly appreciate how you are extremely adept at explaining what is occurring and why it is doing so! Thank you for such excellent videos!

I love your explorer-style attitude where you say, "I decided to ignore the recommendation of the manufacturer" and then proceed to test a whole raft of random materials. THAT dogged dedication and persistence is how cool stuff seems to get invented. Those things sound fantastic. I'd love to hear Dixie Dregs Dregs of the Earth over those babies. That used to be my sound system test record. 19:20 What an awesome way to design artistic patterns!

Expected clickbait... got gold! High 5!

I knew this guy by the name of Al Wright. He used to work at a particle accelerator but his passion was winding voice coils and building speaker enclosures. The dude was wicked smart. He was an awesome person and I miss him everyday. You remind me A LOT of him, Thanks.

love this video, i have been trying to figure out a way to build my own speakers and this method seems a lot more simpler than electro static speakers without suffering quality loss.

I am starting to think that this guy just genuinely enjoys the sound of high pitched pure sine waves.

This is the channel I didn't know I was looking for.

This sounds similar to a speaker system I ran across in the early to mid 70s. I think they were called "PolyPlaner" speakers. They were made completely from polystyrine plastic except for the voice coil/exciter. Mine were about 12" x 16" and sounded great. I had a bar between the kitchen and living room so I replaced some of the wood paneling with two of these and it sounded great. In the open air they were a little 'tinny' with an emphasis on higher frequencies but when mounted in the space under the bar the solid mounting and the resonance of the cabinet space under the bar made them sound really good. At the time I had a Craig 2000 stereo system which was considered fairly high end at the time, and these speakers were comparable to the original Craig speakers except for the power handling capability. At high volume levels they started distorting before the original Craig speakers would.

This video serves as an excellent demonstration for how peer-reviewed science could transition more towards video medium rather than written. Very well done and well explained!

Man, every now and then UKposts recommends these, actually interesting videos to me. I'm glad I found this gem of a video.

This guy blew the curve in every physics class he ever took.

Man thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with all of us! I’m really looking forward to building these.

You Sir... Have just earned yourself another subscriber. I've been into audio equipment for my entire life. What you're uploading is 'Pure Gold'. You got some real knowledge

In our next video in this series, I will perform some calibrated diagnostics as well as introduce some software and hardware to further enhance performance.

"you don't want to use a metal" *plays music that rings through the plate* yeah nah, I'm gonna incorporate that into a performance synth, that reverb is amazing

My man!!! This is some knowledge I gained within such a small amount of time... Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us... I knoe how much time u have spent to master these speakers...!!! You motivated me to make my own set of speakers.... Thank you! Be safe!!!

"Visually that's beautiful, acoustically that's loud as %$&*" I love this channel, as one comment on a different video described, he's like the Mr. Rogers of science. I couldn't agree more, thank you so much for this amazing, amazing content and so much to learn, so so much to learn, each video is like a wonderful science class. Thank you.

This man has a niche knowledge that makes him and this video fascinating. Clearly, this dude loves sound waves. Keep it up and thank you.

Aluminum, 9:23 Sqaure Extruded Polystyrene, 11:19 Balsa Wood End Grain, 12:01 Long Extruded Polystyrene 13:21 Balsa Wood and Polystyrene End Grain Stereo Pair: 14:30 : (Save me by Deamn) Final Extruded PolyStyrene and Balsa Wood 4 speaker System: 29:11

Thank you for the comprehensive explanation, VERY interesting! I might build some of these to pair with my home audio subwoofer

Thank you so much for all your time and effort here. Simply fantastic!

AvE sent me hear, and I'm glad he did. Most impressive speakers!!

21:21 this is getting better and better! I feel like a kid at an amusement park. I can't express how much I'm enjoying this! I had to pause the video to calm down a bit, this is glourious!! thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!

These videos are hidden gems in the jungles of youtube . Anybody can do anything , but when passion , knowledge ,and dedication meet greatness is born . You are the greatest teacher I have ever seen and listened to . A big THANK YOU for doing what you do !

The more I watch your work product, the more I enjoy it. You have, obviously, found your true calling. Thank you for your most excellent videos, ideas and information.

Thank you for the interesting video. I would like to point out a few things for anyone more interested in the details of audio reproduction, below. You mentioned that traditional coned speakers are like a piston. But for clarification these audio exciter elements are also a piston. In fact this device is just the voice coil and motor of a traditional speaker element but without the cone attached. Magnetostatic panel speakers are also "pistons" albeit the configuration of the voice coil, magnetic field and the driver diaphragm are different. Electrostatic speakers, as you know, do not rely on magnetic interaction but instead to voltage differential, but ultimately it too is just a "piston", a mechanical surface, pushing air. The only type of speaker element I can think of that isn't a piston is the plasma speaker. You should research those if you want to learn more about a building a speaker that isn't a piston pushing air. And just for further clarification: The reason why traditional speaker elements use a cone diaphragm instead of a flat surface like in the speakers you built here, is that a cone offers a good combination of stiffness and light weight. The demonstration you show between 20 and 26 minute mark beautifully shows this: because the speaker element is flat and not optimally stiff, the edges of the diaphragm move at different velocity to the place where the driver is mounted which means that the sugar does not move all at once. This happens with both plates but the weighted plate has fewer resonant frequencies. What you are demonstrating there is the inherent weakness of a flat driver which isn't uniformly pushed. The different velocities at centre and edge will in fact create distortion in the audio. You should repeat your test with a coned element and a magnetostatic speaker to really see the difference between a good driver and an optimal driver. Furthermore traditional speaker elements are typically enclosed in a box to reduce the dipole effect which, in the case of panel speakers like this, means that the speaker is outputting the same signal but in negative phase from the back. Both magnetostatic and electrostatic dipoles also do this, which is why they are less popular than boxed speakers. To get the best sound out of a dipole speaker you will need to place it optimally like Marius Loubeeka mentioned below. This is because the negative phase sound from the back is reflected from the back wall and leads to, you guessed it, phase cancellation. Finally if you are serious about building speakers I would recommend investing in a measurement microphone and making sure that your audio samples are like for like. Cheap good measurement microphone for example is the Behringer ECM8000. When publishing listening samples always record at equal distance and equal volume, and preferably normalise the audio samples in post. I'll be happy to further explain any of the above.

I have no idea how this ended up on my "recommended" list from UKposts, but I'm glad I checked it out. Fascinating information and from out of the blue, put a new project on my to-do list. Just great stuff!

Originally discovering Tech Ingredients while he (Doc) built, tested a step-by-step process of how to build a working Rail Gun, complete with safety concerns, as always, his projects have kept me on this channel. Speakers?? Wow, once again, you have floored me. They reminded me of ribbon speakers until you pulled the curtain back, oh great Oz, to show us a $30 speaker. Congrats on getting over your 500K goal!!

Nothing beats a great human using great science to generate such beauty! Thank you very much Mr, for improving my life!!

I’m using a pair of these made from 12x24 inch corrugated styrene panels for tv watching. Best bang for the buck in any audio configuration i have ever put together. Actually, more realistic than any small to medium sized format stereo speakers I have used. All of this guy’s vids are fascinating.

Back in my studio recording days we found that the large 4 x 8' 1-2" thick rigid yellow fiber glass panels did an excellent job at absorbing frequencies from about 250hz-20,000khz+ bass on the other hand requires a trap which allows the wide wave to enter into a chamber which then reflects the wave into a beveled edge diffusing the signal. These are easily made from birch plywood and essentially look like L shaped brackets, easy to google a design. As long as you cover the wood surfaces with fiberglass you can effectively eliminate a "room sound". This was great for eliminating standing waves, and unwanted microphone reflections.Some invaluable tools for that job were a cheap $99 table saw, a dril, and a kreg jig. The insulations is about $25 for a 4 x 8' panel. This btw was a cool video and interesting to see how the sound changed with each substrate. A microphone, a vst plugin spectral analyser, and a sine wave sweep will go a long ways if you are interested in seeing exactly what is being diffused vs reflected.

we can tell that you love what you do. a lot of people out there kinda just do things. they aren't passionate about it. i can tell you are passionate. and it makes listening to you and this video extremely enjoyable. if only more people were as passionate at what they do.

I've made over a thousand Native American Style flutes and nothing beats cross gain wood for sound. Will be making some speakers like this using that wood. Cross grain woods come off in small pieces if you use a block plane on them. You can get wider boards so I'll band saw them thin then run the boards through a larger sander. Four or five passes will erase a pencil line so when their flat they'll be ready for the test. Thank you for this tip, great video.

About time someone with Engineering knowledge explains acoustics. Great work and please keep it up...

Oh man... this is perfect for my new living room speakers!

Mr. Tech, - Y.O.U. are just what UKposts needed, and what LOTS of people obviously want,... To make this forum more useful, entertaining, and relevant to our lives!!! Bravo!

This gentleman just explained what Mr. Klipsch figured out years ago, just different verbiage. Then begins, how do I make an enclosure acceptable for mass production. Excellent job sir! Really! Greatly appreciated!!

I'd be interested to see a frequency-amplitude graph measured from these DIY speakers and for comparison the same measurement for some commercial speakers.

Quite interesting. I'm amazed at how inexpensive each speaker/sound board is, especially considering the quality of the sound. What I find even more fascinating is the patterns in the sugar sprinkles. Thank you for sharing your results. As usual you never disappoint, no matter what the subject is.

I had to smash the like button when he got through explaining how many materials they tested the drivers on. Awesome dedication here!

Big Thanks from Sydney/Australia ...will give it a go ...did this back in the 1960 or so, a teenager, with big cardboard boxes & rudimentary actuaters . This is a great innovation .

Love the speaker/audio subjects! I must admit that one good thing about COVID-19 is that it's gotten me to watch more of your videos again!

thank you. The nlightn panels I had from carlsbor, back in the early 2000s, were amazing. They had 5 drivers, I think. 100w input. The guys who made them said that the placement was more of an art than science, and 2 of the drivers were out of phase with the other two. I guess that's an active version of the passive damping you've used. They really shone when used in reflective environments - we had a party in an old warship, and the JBL speakers made the place into an echoing hell. Put the flat panels into the mix and suddenly all the reflections kinda went away. Some interaction between the chaotic wavefront and the pistonic wave front Tectonic audio makes huge ones of these, with ribbon tweeters for the high frequency fidelity

I was a bouncer at a large nightclub for about 6 years, and I gotta say, when I go to a bar as a patron now I behave exactly like you do at 14:30 😆, and after a good buzz I get a little crazy and behave like you at 15:30 with just a hint of head nodding. Love your videos - you've sent me down a learning rabbithole and I can't think of a better use for my spare time than learning! I also couldn't help but notice your counterweighted plate with 2 iterations of the 2/5 - 3/5 rule applied looks like the fractal orientation that many renaissance paintings adhere to in terms of focal points. Music for the eyes!

Wow very very impressed by you and your knowledge and the down to earth explanation of the speaker build. You have motivated me to build a pair of these speakers. Thank you.

this is possibly one of the coolest videos youtube has ever recommended

I use these on my sailboat. This gives me the ability to have music/sound (I also have one for my marine communications radio) on any boat surface I want. I have them stuck to the inside surface of my cockpit for a no-holes speaker!

A very in depth research on the subject and an awesome presentation with great flow that doesn't create confusion on the information provided.

came here for cheap speakers left a master, you are amazing , im going to integrated this to my studio, and add this to my tv for movies you are a talented guy

Great video! Also came over from Ave have a couple of speakers laying around, looking forward to trying this! Also my dogs took notice to your vid!! I also loved the line "whatever this is science " Thanks!

Building my office/mancave. Going to dedicate my whole back wall to making these panel speakers. Thanx to you. 😎👌

I cant believe that I was able to understand this experiment. Man!! He's an excellent teacher!

Having a crossover for your home speaker setup would still be a good idea as the efficiency of the drivers will improve if they have to reproduce less frequenties.

Also, if it hasn't been mentioned yet, the exact speaker is DAEX25FHE-4. Currently $8.25 on Parts Express, not including shipping.

Great video, I really like DIY with stuff like this. Keep up the great work!

I have yet to watch one of your videos and not come away with a sense of awe. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and intellect with us!

Excellent video! I've been looking for such a analysis and test of these speakers. Now it only gives me more ideas ... :) When you said at the end that they can stay very flat and cover large part of the room, and that they cover the volume of the room much more equally (reducing the phases), now I wonder how can you make active noise cancellation room with its walls and ceiling perhaps covered enough with such plates+speaker that they play the opposite phase of whatever the noise outside the room is.

I always enjoy the depth and detail of your videos, thank you!

How does this channel not have millions of subscribers? Very high quality information!

I have worked in audio engineering for nearly 40 years and have always been intrigued by NXT (here in the UK)/DML systems. However I have never heard them, what is the stereo image like. All the known physics of stereo/immersive sound shows that point sources are better at conveying position and generating sound fields. The Quad ELS systems use a series of concentric rings that are energised via a delay line (time 0 is in the centre) as the wave length increases the outer bigger rings are energised at a time 10s of micro seconds later. By placing the the actuator in the centre and cutting a series of concentric circles using a V cut V with one vertical side would break up resonances and possible delay the signal as it propagates to the edge. Thanks for the interesting video.

After doing my own experiments with foam, I believe that the shape is very important. If you excite the panels with a sin wave at the resonant peaks at the mod frequencies (eg 300-3000 Hz), you can usually find one, occasionally two, places where the resonance is coming from, and it's usually reflected from a corner (corners act as retro-reflectors) or a side. A rectangle give eight places where first order reflections can occur, causing resonances and nulls at all quarter and half multiples of excitation frequency. So what you need is a shape with no corners, and no sides at 90 degrees to the exciter. Eg a heart shape or nephroid shape, or lens shape, with cusps added to edges still at 90 degrees. And/or edge treatment such as angled cuts which reflect incident wave away in a new, preferably random direction.

Awesome I've got the build a pair of these speakers. I just love your videos they're great.

My Honda Ridgeline has exciters attached to the inside of the composite (plastic) truck bed panels. Sounds amazing.

fascinating demonstration on resonance and I really applaud your thoroughness examining such a variety of different materials. Very informative.

very cool concept and I appreciate you sharing your experience with the world. I'm interested to hear about how the material and panel size affects the frequency response.

I may have missed it, but what was the recommendation as far as panel thickness and the sound properties it introduces?

I also found this from AvE. I've tinkered with this type of speaker before, wish I had this excellent analysis/testing back then. My attempts were with CNC'ing some flex points in aluminum covered polyfoam insulation board. When I saw that APU thing at the start I knew this was going to be good and subscribed before you even got to the speakers. =)

Have you experimented with the ideal thickness of the material(s) or maybe even a graduated thickness from one end (or corner) to the other? sanding or shaving the polystyrene/balsa might not be all that difficult, and could possibly preproduce the same effects as adding/removing counterweights. Outstanding video and a wonderful idea as is!!!

This is an incredible video. Thank you for your time and effort!

Thanks for all your work producing theses videos. The wealth of knowledge and inspiration is just amazing.

Very interesting topic! Thank you very much for sharing your expereince with different materials! With my 25 years of experience in speaker technologies I would put a (maybe flat) sealed enlosure on the back of the panels to get more volume in the bass section. Another possibility is to keep at least a distance of 1.5 metres to every wall. That's why in the demo at 29:14 the panels are unfortunately totally lacking bass. What you describe at 3:30 is, I think, the general difference in sound quality between dipoles and monopoles. You could test that with the same panel with and without an enclosure. I would not fully agree with what you say at 29:00 that they do not require a crossover. I would assume that the frequency ranges of both different panels have an overlap over a wide range. The sound would clearly benefit from a crossover then. I'd also assume that there are dips and peaks in the overlapping area, at least due to different speeds of sound in each material and therefore differing acoustical phase. Try it out, it's not that hard to design a crossover. I made a tutorial for 2-way speakers: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/bXunoGageYdhrWQ.html. A second one for fullrange drivers is coming tomorrow. A material what perfectly fits your description at 5:20 is rubber. This of course has to be attached to a stiff frame. An irregularly shaped foam damping on the edges might also help against resonances (caused by wave reflections on the edges). There's a legendary driver which exactly follows this principle: the Manger MSW. From metal plates (the higher the speed of sound within the better) I'd expect the most detailed sound if you eliminate the ringing/resonances with a crossover. This might lead to a small plate to shift resonances far enough into treble and a big plate for mids and bass in a 2-way system. Maybe round plates are better because they might have fewer but stronger resonances. There's an intersting paper about exciters by the German speaker manufacturer Visaton: www.visaton.de/downloads/pdf/visaton_exciter_principles.pdf (also available in German). Anyway, I now feel the urge to also experiment with exciters. If I do that one day, I'll also make a video about it.

As always. Detailed, informative and creative. Thank you for the content!

Your demonstration really was 10 out of 10! Thank you my friend.

Very neat speakers! Here's some thoughts from an acoustics and signal processing student. What you essentially have here are dipole panel speakers, where good portion of the frequency range is directional due to the size of radiating area compared to wavelengths produced. It will have good deal of breakup modes for essentially the same reason, which is probably why you found well-dampened materials to work the best. In the industry full-range speaker cones are made from paper and other similarly dampened materials in order to deal with break up modes. The compromise is forfeiting the ideal rigid piston-like operation of the element and giving rise to distortion. Here are some suggestions on how to improve the design: use 2 or 3 vertical elements of different widths along with a crossover (I'm fairly certain a simple 6dB crossover would do) to better control the power response (directivity in respect to wavelenght). Ideal would be a nearly room tall panel that will act like an infinite line array in conjuction with the floor and the ceiling in the vertical axis, while having horizontal elements such that no frequency is produced by panel that is as wide as the wavelenght of frequency reproduced by it. Have the panels much further away from the wall. A dipole speaker will produce 180 degree out of phase signal from the back of it and this will eat up the lower frequencies when they bounce of the wall and combine with the front wave (the very same destructive interference you mentioned at the start of your video in regards to stereo speakers when not listening at the center). More is better! In order to get more piston-like operation, I wager having more driving elements per panel would help with distortion a bunch. Panel speakers like this exist in the wild and are essentially driven from everywhere along the panel (electrostatic speakers, magnepan speakers) and they sound very good indeed. The prices start from 1000 dollar and up, though.

Perfect background *speaker for the digital piano.* This could simulate the wooden soundboard in the digital piano.

Outstanding work, I am sooo glad I subscribed. Best thing this year so far! Thank You so much from Canada!

This seems ideal for disguising speakers into furniture. Saving this for future DIY projects

My new mantra - "Whatever! This is science!" -Tech Ingredients

Very interesting, I'd like to see a frequency response chart on these to see how flat they are.

Excellent technical!! You lay out very understandable audio laws and how doppler and other ways that sound disperses in space. Thank you for the time you took to put this together.

An great lesson from an absolute master, thankyou

In the special FX industry, we paint extruded polystyrene by first painting the surface using a heavy solids water-based paint, such as craft store gesso (traditionally a mixture of hide-glue and chalk, now there are synthetics). Then give it a light sanding, clean it with a tack cloth, and then spraypaint as regular. If lazier, you can use craft store acrylic and just be happy; or follow a basecoat of white or neutral grey acrylic, adequate drying time, and the spraypaint of your choice. Make the first coat of spraypaint just a super light dusting. Spraying at a long distance can cause the spraypaint to not adhere properly, which can cause it to wear much more quickly. Fantastic content. I might have to add this to my project list.

as a hobby audio producer this makes me really happy to listen to lol

I finally got some time to make these and OMG ! Tech Ingredients was right !! Now I can get rid of my Towers !! Now my Son wants some lol. I played some Jadyn Rylee music thru them also lol. Now that was GOOOD ! I haven't even messed with the EQ yet lol

i'd have tried the 3-4-5 golden ratio pattern too. Awesome, thank you.