Game of Thrones PERFECTED Robert Baratheon In One Scene

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D. Charles

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In one single scene, Game of Thrones perfectly displays why Robert Baratheon is oblivious, negligent, and flat out delusional. But they also capture that Robert is 100% right about at least one thing and before the end of this video we’ll definitely touch on that.
So this is King Robert. This is Quenn Cersei. And well this is Dan Benioff and DB Weiss. Look, they wrote this episode, they wrote this scene, adn I know a lot of people are not huge fans in how they handled the last half of Game of Thrones, but since I’m going to be praising this scene they wrote - I think it is important to recognize that at one point, they really did get it. This is not from the books, this scene is 100% original to the show Game of Thrones.
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@DCharles
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@Darkness-ie2yl
@Darkness-ie2yl Місяць тому
Dan and Dave are deserving of incredible praise for what they achieved. The disrespect from most fans is unwarranted and wildly inappropriate.
@GarroshTV
@GarroshTV Місяць тому
"Robert was neither mad nor cruel, he simply had no interest in being King." - Lord Varys
@SamBrickell
@SamBrickell Місяць тому
Robert should have been Minister of War or some such.
@tiringsarcasm
@tiringsarcasm Місяць тому
⁠@@SamBrickellHonestly if Jon Arryn’s heir, Denys Arryn had just survived then Jon Arryn would have been a very tempting choice. Even then however Robert would still have been the favourite pick for kingship at the time. Since he had some (albeit distant) Targaryen blood, towering at around 6 and a half feet tall, the young and handsome Lord paramount just made more sense at the time.
@YourXavier
@YourXavier Місяць тому
Ironically, that's the same as D&D's problem : An early success spiraled into a long career that they really had no interest in doing properly.
@Karim896
@Karim896 Місяць тому
​@@tiringsarcasmRobert Blood as a claim is nonsense. He took the kingdom by conquest not as a Targaryen
@subutaynoyan5372
@subutaynoyan5372 Місяць тому
All Robert should've been was lord of Storm's End @@SamBrickell
@PointlessRhetoric
@PointlessRhetoric Місяць тому
Robert is insanely traumatized. The show doesn't really capture that. He doesn't love Cersei and frankly hates the Lannister's. He wishes he died on the battlefield.
@BenMyattt
@BenMyattt Місяць тому
Ned should’ve climbed those steps.
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Місяць тому
​@@BenMyattteven if he would've done so it wouldn't have worked. To few would support him and he is a terrible politician.
@SRVaris
@SRVaris Місяць тому
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk "To few would support him " Well the Starks Arryn's Tully's & Baratheon's would support him and the Tyrells aren't going to make a big fuss about anything, The main problem he would have is the same problem Robert had Dorne & The Westerlands if he goes hard against the Lannister's he will probably have Dornish Support & Lose Lannister Support but if he goes too lightly he will lose Dornish Support but retain Lannister Support. The Iron Isle's simply wouldn't support anyone so that's a non factor. Ned also has a number of advantages over Robert 1. Not being married to Cersei is major. 2. Ned would actually you know be doing stuff that isn't drinking whoring and feasting. 3. Already having a Child. "he is a terrible politician." I disagree with this pretty majorly Ned was put into an extremely volatile position at the time he became Hand and handled it very well only making one mistake(telling Cersei to leave) and really that was only a mistake due to Robert dying which is not something he could have predicted. Had Ned started as King he would have put people around him that he trusted(which Ned is pretty good at telling who to trust or not to trust) which deletes Varys & Littlefinger from the situation and Pycelle if he slips up on anything(which Pycelle probably would he isn't the best schemer)
@rinseandrepeatfan7426
@rinseandrepeatfan7426 Місяць тому
i think the scene where robert talks to jaime and barristan shows the trauma robert has and his desire to be able to share that feeling w others who have experienced what he has
@BenMyattt
@BenMyattt Місяць тому
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk that’s not true? I’d say Ned has just as much, his only downfall would be being already married. And I believe he’d learn the game quickly.
@alessandrajackson3768
@alessandrajackson3768 Місяць тому
Robert was in love with the idea of Lyanna Stark. He believes she would have made him a better man, without ever really knowing her.
@baselhills865
@baselhills865 Місяць тому
Sansa most obviously, but also Robb and Jon all have the childlike fantasies of chivalry and heroism which motivates them when they're first starting to take actions as young adults. Robert may have been the same, he wanted to be the brave heroic Knight who saves his Princess from the evil Prince and lives happily ever after. He defeats the evil King and the Prince but his Princess dies, that missing piece of that fantasy gets stuck in his mind and causes him a lot of grief, which he tries to overwhelm with food and women and fighting. He didn't rebel to be King, or even to overthrow the Targaryens, he rebelled to save his betrothed Lyanna, and importantly to help his chosen brother Ned (which might be part of the reason why he wanted to marry Lyanna,) and in a way lost the war because he didn't get her, and instead got stuck with all this unwanted responsibility.
@CognizantCheddar
@CognizantCheddar Місяць тому
I hope everyone understands that Lyanna would've hopped a ship to Essos to avoid marrying Robert.
@thatguy913
@thatguy913 Місяць тому
I wonder what lyanna looked like. Must have been gorgeous to spark a revolution and also catch the prince's attention in the first place.
@KingInBlack69
@KingInBlack69 Місяць тому
​@@CognizantCheddarcan't really blame her
@fredfry5100
@fredfry5100 Місяць тому
​@@CognizantCheddarI wouldn't go that far. She'd have hated Robert, but "done her duty", despite the cost
@filipvadas7602
@filipvadas7602 Місяць тому
1. Something I always thought was fitting was that both Robert and Cersei are in love with "ghosts". Robert loved his idealised version of Lyanna, even though he barely knew her, while Cersei never quite got over the fact that she never got to marry Prince Rhaegar, but rather *the man who killed him.* 2. Robert is basically the fantasy hero that killed his dragon (Rhaegar) , but failed to get the girl (Lyanna) and the grief ate him alive, except he wasn't granted the mercy of the credits rolling, instead his descent is slow and painfull. Instead of dealing with it, he just threw himself into hedonism which only temporarily buried the pain. Which made him willfully blind to the accumulating problems his way of ruling was creating. 3. Its actually a fan theory that Robert was HOPING for a war to make himself feel alive again and I can understand why. Him not anihilating the Greyjoys after their rebellion and instead both sparing Balon and letting him continue to rule the Iron Islands as a vassal of the Crown, combined with the fact that he was *always* anticipating an attack from the remaining Targeryans tells me that he was constantly on the lookout for another war to fight. Preferably one he could actually win though.
@sarcasticsid5589
@sarcasticsid5589 Місяць тому
Well written
@PointlessRhetoric
@PointlessRhetoric Місяць тому
damn bro thats deep
@nunyabiznes33
@nunyabiznes33 Місяць тому
It's kinda sadder in the book. He hosted an exiled Summer Island prince (Jalabar Xho) for years, who continuously beg him for military support. Cersei thinks he kept the prince around coz he fantasize sailing away to some foreign land to wage war but never pushed through. He just trying to keep fantasy alive, just like how try to hold on to Lyanna. He probably feel so dead inside.
@CatotheE
@CatotheE Місяць тому
Robert being in love with a ghost has to be one of the biggest memes out there.
@InaEsin
@InaEsin Місяць тому
Wait a second...Rhaegar married Eliana (or whatever) Martel, he wasn't betrothed to Cersei. I think she might have been promised to Viserys. The entire war started over Rhaegar "choosing" Lyanna, but he had two kids with Elia Martel that the Mountain murdered. So Cersei had to be talking about a different prince. Can you imagine, Cersei and Viserys together?? ha ha ha
@Healingharp88
@Healingharp88 Місяць тому
This has always been one of my favourite scenes of the entire series. Cersei, asking Robert about Lyanna in his moment is quite possibly the most honest conversation they've ever had. And she had most likely decided Robert was going to die and soon. And her asking was curiosity plain and simple. She wanted to have an answer to something that has literally haunted their marriage and to leave no unfinished business between them. She had to know, before she could never know.
@InaEsin
@InaEsin Місяць тому
When I go back and rewatch, I skip over much and land on favorite scenes. This is definitely one of them.
@johnaeryns5364
@johnaeryns5364 Місяць тому
A warrior does not fear a quick death on the field. But a slow one in the bed. Robert baratheon was depressed and bored. So he engaged in self destruction. It happens to everyone that feels more alive in war than they do in peace.
@yami122
@yami122 Місяць тому
Not necessarily it happens to those without the self discipline to self sacrifice for job they may not enjoy There are plenty of great men throughout history who have felt more at home in war than at peace but they were able to understand that there was a job that needed to be done and that they were the man to do it and so they suffered in silence And the opposite is true as well several of history's greatest war leaders have been men who had no taste for war Abraham Lincoln and Frederick the Great were inherently men of peace what ended up leading their nation's greatly during times of war Heck Abraham Lincoln was miserable throughout the Civil War and he despised having to do the job But he refused to put his own happiness and his own preferences before the good of the nation that he was now in charge in
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Місяць тому
I once read a fanfic that might have been game of thrones i don't remember but the main character before going of to war looked at his family very intently trieing to memorise all their features. And thats when i realised something i had never really thought about and that is that before cameras or a lack of highy skilled painters lots of people would actually forget the faces of loved ones after not having seen them in a while. And that to me (even though roberts love with lyanna never really was a thing) makes it a very powerful scene.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Yeah I think that’s at play a bit here too, but I also think it’s difficult to remember someone you don’t truly know.
@damonlongstreet8630
@damonlongstreet8630 Місяць тому
Roberts Reign in a Nutshell: "Im Done now You clean up the fucking mess"
@woodyhorton8537
@woodyhorton8537 Місяць тому
Yup he told ned the truth lol u run it while I eat, drink and fuck myself into an early grave lol
@brittanyrae5771
@brittanyrae5771 Місяць тому
I think for Cersei, this is less about Robert and more about Rhaegar. She still thinks about Rhaegar decades later, and she was denied as a marriage prospect for Rhaegar while he ran off with Lyanna.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Well she was denied Rhaegar for Elia, which was fitting since The Lannisters denied Jaime to Elia and offered Tyrion instead as an insult. If I’m recalling it all correctly
@brittanyrae5771
@brittanyrae5771 Місяць тому
@@DCharles yes, that is correct. But ultimately he ran off with Lyanna while Elia was pregnant. Cersei is so full of herself, I could imagine she would wonder why Rhaegar wouldn’t do the same for her. Then Robert kills Rhaegar and marries Cersei, but never has any feelings of fondness for her, over the same woman that Rhaegar ran off with. That’s gotta be a kick in the balls Cersei thinks she should have had.
@anaemiliaalmeida7238
@anaemiliaalmeida7238 Місяць тому
Oh definitely... In fact, there's a bit of foreshadowing at Sansa's first chapter after Robert's death, where she notices Cersei's mourning clothes: "a high-collared black silk gown, with a hundred dark red rubies sewn into her bodice, covering her from neck to bosom. They were cut in the shape of teardrops, as if the queen were weeping blood." Black and Red are colours of House Targaryen and the rubies are a reference to Rhaegar's armour Robert smashed out when he killed him with his hammer. So, not only was Cersei mourning after Rhaegar, she was also revelling on Robert's death by wearing the same colours of the man that the latter hated the most as a way to rub in his death and non-verbally flaunt her own victory over Robert!!!!!
@InaEsin
@InaEsin Місяць тому
Okay, thank you. I was seriously confused, because the whole bloody war was because Rhaegar passed by Elia--his WIFE with TWO KIDS--and gave the wreath or favor (whatever) to Lyanna. I thought this whole time that the prince that Cersei was to have was Viserys. @@DCharles
@s66s46
@s66s46 Місяць тому
Rhaegar + lyanna being in love isnt cannon
@benboches6850
@benboches6850 Місяць тому
It's wrong to assume that every scene not in the books was written by David and Dan, at least for the first 4 seasons. George was literally a writer on the show, and coincidentally ever since he stopped being a writer the show stopped having scenes like this. My theory is that George wrote these scenes for the show, or at least played a large role in producing them.
@AbhishekKr.Singh1609
@AbhishekKr.Singh1609 Місяць тому
You want to know know the horrible. I can't remember what she looked like. I only remember she was the one thing i ever wanted. Someone took her away from me and seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind Robert Baratheon
@PointlessRhetoric
@PointlessRhetoric Місяць тому
this is poetic and sappy but, it rings very true. Young heart are shockingly vulnerable.
@lesliemcmillan2971
@lesliemcmillan2971 Місяць тому
​@@PointlessRhetoric he called her a thing. Not a person.
@PointlessRhetoric
@PointlessRhetoric Місяць тому
@@lesliemcmillan2971 that's how he viewed her
@TemariNaraannaschatz
@TemariNaraannaschatz Місяць тому
It also paralells so well with Maser Aemon saying he can still see "her" face when talking about a girl he loved once. A blind man over a hundret years old still remembers what the woman he loved looked like, Robert does not. And Robert is still hung up about Lyanna but Aemon has his peace.
@choronos
@choronos Місяць тому
Reading the books, I just wanted to slap Robert and tell him to STFU every time he pined for Lyanna. He didn't even know her. He saw her a few times and thought she was hot. He certainly didn't love her, he just wanted to make babies with someone hot.
@jonathonjohnson1227
@jonathonjohnson1227 Місяць тому
To be totally honest. Lyanna and Robert was also an arranged marriage, so either way someone would’ve been unhappy. Robert strikes me as a washed up athlete too, he is constantly dwelling on his best days from the past. Honestly if Lyanna was forced to do her duty like Cersei was we wouldn’t have 5 books.
@nunyabiznes33
@nunyabiznes33 Місяць тому
Worse, I remember he just wanted to marry Lyanna coz he wanted to be Ned's brother so badly. No wonder Stannis is bitter, his older bro don't even want to be with his own family. Makes me wonder tho how depressing the Baratheon household must have been after both parents died.
@stefankatsarov5806
@stefankatsarov5806 Місяць тому
You woud be suprised in how many arranged marriages the man and the woman fell in love whit each other.
@nocturnalrecluse1216
@nocturnalrecluse1216 Місяць тому
In other words, he has Al Bundy syndrome.
@InaEsin
@InaEsin Місяць тому
That's an excellent take,@@nunyabiznes33
@jonathonthomits1322
@jonathonthomits1322 Місяць тому
Idk why you're pondering that he "strikes you as a washed-up athlete" when he literally says it multiple different times throughout the show
@mr.noneyabusinesstm8845
@mr.noneyabusinesstm8845 Місяць тому
I think Robert and Cersei’s marriage is absolutely all that’s holding the seven kingdoms together during his reign. Tywin would never be content to leave the country at peace if he didn’t have a direct line, even a potentially far away one, to control the kingdoms
@che3se1495
@che3se1495 Місяць тому
Yeah. No way Robert would have been able to get on the throne without Tywin, but Tywin couldn't put himself at the top, he just didn't have the political backing that Robert had. Their marriage was a compromise between two types of power.
@michaelahurt
@michaelahurt Місяць тому
100%. Robert on the throne means the Stormlands, North, Eyrie and Riverrun (by marriage) are all loyal. The Lannisters having heirs to the throne keeps them loyal (and by proxy The Reach and Oldtown) That's kind of the point of the War of the Five Kings: if Joffrey isn't Robert's son then why should those four kingdoms remain loyal? Obviously there was more to it but even just that alone probably would have been enough to tip the kingdoms into war, which is why Jon Arryn had to die.
@DaemonJulian
@DaemonJulian Місяць тому
Cersei was right. Their marriage did hold the realm together, along with Robert’s lack of knowledge of the incest. He died, ending their marriage, and all hell broke loose.
@az21bob666
@az21bob666 Місяць тому
No Robert held the king Dom together. If he found out about the incest he go to war and still win.
@ColeBresnehen
@ColeBresnehen Місяць тому
@@az21bob666dis is da most smart est comet
@LisaG442
@LisaG442 Місяць тому
He wasn’t delusional, he was disillusioned. “Winning a throne is easier than sitting on one”. He was a soldier, not a statesman or politician. Not loving his wife and hating his job he took to drink and whoring.
@JC-gn7lq
@JC-gn7lq 3 дні тому
He firmly believed he knew Lyanna well enough to be in love with her. That's a delusion.
@LisaG442
@LisaG442 3 дні тому
@@JC-gn7lq Who’s to say he didn’t know her well? Robert and Nedard were like brothers. But I think you’re right since she fell for a Targaryen. I meant more along the lines of why he changed so much Ned barely recognized him in body and spirit since taking a wife and throne.
@rodrikofharlaw6848
@rodrikofharlaw6848 Місяць тому
I've always been puzzled by the fact Cersei would have certainly cheated on robert anyways but was so bent out of shape over that fact he didnt love her. It's such an odd egotistical spite. I mean its in character for her to be a dumbass with no self reflection.
@DK-Coffee
@DK-Coffee Місяць тому
She was required to be beautiful and graceful. Other men wanted her but the one she was required to have sex with doesn't love her. It had to annoy her character to see her husband to pursue other women.
@09hicktown
@09hicktown Місяць тому
Cersei was raised to and believe she was the most beautiful maiden in the realm. That men didnt bothered her
@katies3338
@katies3338 Місяць тому
Yes to the beautiful comments, but also when she is told that her worth/power lies in her beauty and someone rejects that, Cersei likely felt powerless. She had to figure out how to get some control over the span of her marriage (this point in the series). She went from her controlling father to a disinterested Robert. This exchange shows us a lot about Robert, indeed, but it lays the groundwork for who Cersei becomes because of it.
@brucehidden5978
@brucehidden5978 Місяць тому
The thing that would've pissed Robert off the most would be him finding out that Cersei really was his soulmate 😂
@KingInBlack69
@KingInBlack69 Місяць тому
Yeah, they’re both terrible persons.
@michaelmccray8610
@michaelmccray8610 Місяць тому
I look for mirrored similarities in GOT in the books. I always thought King Robert had feelings for Lyanna like LittleFinger felt towards Kat/Sansa. Everyone is in love with the idea of everyone else
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Exactly
@willrobinson3114
@willrobinson3114 Місяць тому
I think Robert secretly wanted a war, which is why he fixated on the idea of one. It's his bread and butter, he knows it and loves doing it, much more than being King. It's an excellent escape for him
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Westeros’ Edward IV
@13EqualsB
@13EqualsB Місяць тому
Why would robert want to assassinate Dany then?
@willrobinson3114
@willrobinson3114 Місяць тому
@@13EqualsB if the attempt fails then it stokes the temper of herself, her family and the Dothraki and increases the likelihood of war and it it succeeds it does the same thing x100
@Jacktreyboles
@Jacktreyboles Місяць тому
“Conspiracy theorist who is oblivious to many real threats as well as his children not being his” holy shit Robert is Dale Gribble
@emmylee5093
@emmylee5093 Місяць тому
AHHHH the thought that Robert might have said "I can't even remember what she looked like" not out of grief but out of "she was an obsession that burned hot but not a lasting love to remember" is SOOO interesting, I had not considered it that way until this video. Of course I had considered (and headcanon) that the robert/lyanna relationship WAS one-sided. AND the parallel between Robert being a good conqueror but a poor leader with Robert "demanding" that everyone "gets along." At least Show Daenerys (I refuse to believe this is how True Daenerys would act) *ALWAYS* just spoke at people until they gave in, perhaps with one showy display of either her dragons or her loyal men. (I think that's where D&D failed her character, she didn't JUST make speeches she actually considered her role in EVERYTHING the dragons did "if they are monsters, then so am I") BUT I think it's a really interesting parallel, again one I had not considered! My thoughts on Robert are that he truly did believe his strength and sturdiness was what the realm needed to be "stable." He thought if he continued as a war-time military leader everything would be fine. His strength would command all. Oooh but that's another consideration, isn't it? That blood ties and family words are not just marks of a family but also portents that you speak upon yourself. "Ours is the fury" Well there are a few ways we could read that. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" is an easy interpretation with Cersei representing the boar that literally gored Robert. And then there's the "fury" of the wild. Boars are some of the most vicious, non-mythical, creatures in the wild. And Robert thought himself above a simple pig. But his mistake was that it was not a pig...but a boar.... ahh im thinking too much about it lol but this video had me pondering about an episode that aired when i was in middle school 😅 Well done!
@landofthehazymist
@landofthehazymist Місяць тому
Even domesticated pigs are strong, fast, can be big n incredibly aggressive esp when provoked, and do a lot of damage
@CrunchyNorbert
@CrunchyNorbert Місяць тому
imagine trying to tell a 6"5 lump of pure muscle who can have your head on a spike quicker than he can put his boots on that he may have a bad case of the Feelings
@connorandrews8517
@connorandrews8517 Місяць тому
I don't think anyone would deny that D&D wrote 3-4 of the best seasons of television ever put to screen. When season 1 of GOT wrapped there was 40-50 minutes of run time left to pad out which the writers had to come up with themselves. The fact that these "filler" scenes stand out as some of the best in the first season shows how good an understanding D&D had of these characters at one point, and makes their creative choices in later seasons all the more frustrating.
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Місяць тому
I think there best part was having a good foundation and working with it, but when they starting going without the foundation by skipping huge chunks of the books, putting a lot of filler and stuff that didn't work with the foundation is when it all fell. And the cracks were to hard to ignore when they had no foundation at all
@Emma-se5wm
@Emma-se5wm Місяць тому
@@Ashbrash1998 Agree. They could manage great creative character writing when the plot + action elements were already well and consistently established, but when they had to choreograph most of the storyline, the character writing consequently suffered. Even still, there were still some well done interpersonal moments between characters after season 4 that weren't all just from the books. I love the scene where Jaime and Olenna talk and Olenna says, "Tell Cersei...I want her to know it was me," even if the plot elements and fast travel happening in that season were nonsensical.
@peger
@peger Місяць тому
the funny thing is if i remember hbo wanted to give them few more seasons. But they decided to wrap and rush everything up . They wanna jump to disney or something
@Luminousreign
@Luminousreign Місяць тому
Running out of book material was the problem. They have no idea who the characters are or what they are supposed to be doing once they are in new places and expected to have changed slightly as characters.They started having to make secondary character developing scenes the driving force behind the main plot.
@SamBrickell
@SamBrickell Місяць тому
Robert should have been Minister of War or some such.
@morrigansraven
@morrigansraven Місяць тому
Robert was a womaniser and Lyanna knew this. He wanted Lyanna, initally, because he found her attractive. He didn't know her as an individual. In my headcanon, I believe that friends likely hinted to Robert that Lyanna didn't really desire or want him and was less than happy with their match, but he had an over inflated ego, owing to the fact that most women did find him desirable; he was in complete denial and refused to entertain the possibility that the one he coveted didn't want him. If she hadn't eloped with Rhaegar (per show canon) and had, instead, married him as intended, he would eventually have grown tired of her and been as unfaithful to her as he was to Cersei, because he wasn't in love with Lyanna for herself; he was in love with the notion of her, of wooing her and winning her, and, when she died, he could only ever envision his idealised version of her.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Місяць тому
So true
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 Місяць тому
He also already had one known bastard at the time of their betrothal, and two other likely ones.
@09hicktown
@09hicktown Місяць тому
In the first book Robert said that Lyanna would have never challenged or shamed him like Cersei does, I cant remeber the exact terms Robert uses but Ned in his own head directly after that contradicts that. Robert would have treated Lyanna exactly how he treated Cersei because neither one would have let Robert do what he wanted.
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza Місяць тому
Kind of gave me Illiad vibes
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 Місяць тому
@@AnthonySforza so Robert is Menelaus?
@eviljoshy3402
@eviljoshy3402 Місяць тому
The one line I remember from Robert "What's the bigger number 5 or 1?" /holds up his hand "5" /holds up his fist "1"
@akechijubeimitsuhide
@akechijubeimitsuhide Місяць тому
Back when the writing was still good, it WAS really good.
@krislynn5965
@krislynn5965 Місяць тому
I think the books played more of a role to the scene than the D&D's writing did. It's not a bad scene, it's basically just other characters opinions and musings about their relationship and motivations given new life in a scene in the show. It's hard to give them a whole lot of credit here since the heavy lifting was already done for them in the source material.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
That’s loosely my point. Expanding on the source material, maintaining book canon themes and messaging, while including original content based on asoiaf is what they did perfectly… until they didn’t.
@damonlongstreet8630
@damonlongstreet8630 Місяць тому
George was also there to help, until they kicked him out cause they believed they knew better.
@KonguZya
@KonguZya Місяць тому
These scenes in season 1 that they added to pad out runtime are absolutely phenomenal. I love the "war stories" one between Robert, Jaime, and Barristan. They really show more depth to the characters that we don't have POVs for that early in the books. Pure show material that shined like gold, now compare that to the filler scenes in the latter seasons.
@fatalshore5068
@fatalshore5068 Місяць тому
Gods the writing was strong back then
@bgcvetan
@bgcvetan Місяць тому
Robert: You're grown fat. Eddard: You have shrinked.
@CatotheE
@CatotheE Місяць тому
I don’t see how that makes him delusional when he was never told. Ned uses his love for Lyanna to convince him to do things. The implication being that it was mutual and he didn’t know. In the books, Cersei mentioned that Robert was always trying to get her to hunt with him and how much he loved riding horses (like Lyanna). He probably just wanted a tomboyish wife.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
I’m not clear on what you’re saying here. What are you referencing that he wasn’t told?
@CatotheE
@CatotheE Місяць тому
@@DCharles That she didn’t return his feelings.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
I think his whole obsession with Lyanna was rather delusional. Yes, maybe Robert and Lyanna would have had some of the same hobbies, but relationships need to be about more than that. Robert would have cheated on her again and again.
@Yvanehtnioj2000
@Yvanehtnioj2000 Місяць тому
I think Robert’s true love was Ned and Lyanna dying meant he’d never be family to Ned and that’s why he’s really mad. I doubt he really cared for Lyanna as a person, he seems to view her as a means to an end, an object to win. Which is why he was so quick to betroth Joffrey to Sansa.
@Carmen_Sandiego7
@Carmen_Sandiego7 29 днів тому
I personally think that deep down he knew that Lyanna chose Rhaegar. He saw her cry while listening to Rhaegar sing at Harrenhal, he saw the spark between them, he saw her reaction when Rhaegar picked her at the tourney. I think he WANTED to believe that Rhaegar stole her because it was too painful to accept that Lyanna did not want to marry him. I also think that if Robert actually believed that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, then he would have waited to kill him until after he forced Rhaegar to divulge where he was keeping her. But he didn’t…he killed Rhaegar swiftly in a rage of jealousy…not in a “seeking justice” sort of way like you’d expect from a man who’s beloved had been taken from him.
@LionMerteuil
@LionMerteuil Місяць тому
D&D didn't run out of material or anything, they ran out of drive for the genre. They'd poured allot of creative energy into the world to this point and were years deep and other more interesting projects/IPs were on the horizon. They were like a game master who'd run a really great Dungeons and Dragons game for years but were to the point it wasn't firing the creative juices and was more obligation than anything. They were getting paid great and enjoying success but like, creative energy is creative energy and at a certain point you get burned out on fantasy and like to stretch out into other genres like science fiction. I think as soon as they landed their Star Wars projects it was like "okay, let's get this out of the way to get on to the new and exciting for us stuff!" Literally HBO was thrilled with the success and I think offered them more money and indeed more seasons but they at this point just wanted it done. When people lose a creative spark for something the material suffers but it wasn't like they could put it on hiatus and go back to it. Which may have been the only way to save it.
@damonlongstreet8630
@damonlongstreet8630 Місяць тому
Remember, they REFUSED to step down and let another take over.
@fatalshore5068
@fatalshore5068 Місяць тому
​@@damonlongstreet8630this right here is why they are hated
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
I blame the Red Wedding. The Red Wedding is a thing of beauty, one of the greatest plot twists ever. You can see GRRM get obsessed with it in the books and after it's done, he doesn't know what to do with himself. Same thing with the show
@jackleith3502
@jackleith3502 Місяць тому
Great video and a great insight into Bobby B and how he was both the most clued up and clueless character of the first season. Just a quick note (and please do take this with a grain of sand as I’m not a UKpostsr), but the background music was a little too dissonant for me with the video’s topic/content. Otherwise, great analysis and very much enjoyed!
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
The decision to go with that music will haunt me for the duration of this video. It was intended for the introduction only. You’re not alone with that critique though
@jackleith3502
@jackleith3502 Місяць тому
I gotta say I felt a bit mean giving that criticism! Also now for not reading enough comments to see I wasn’t the only one 😬 great vid though content-wise, you’ve got a cool channel here dude 😎
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
@@jackleith3502 it’s not mean. You weren’t alone at all with that criticism. Glad to have you watch.
@jackleith3502
@jackleith3502 Місяць тому
Thanks man! Glad to be here on the channel and always cool to interact with the UKpostsr 😎
@lovelyhatter
@lovelyhatter Місяць тому
The additions D&D made to the show from seasons 1-3 are phenomenal. It's too bad they only did the show to get to the Red Wedding and didn't care about what came next. It really could have been great if they cared and I think that's really why fans hate them.
@AzarathMetreon
@AzarathMetreon Місяць тому
Bruh, actually imagine what this man would’ve done if he heard about the dragons 😂
@TheAlex90100
@TheAlex90100 Місяць тому
I think when Cersei mentioned that the entire realm was held together by their marriage is that Robert owed so much to the lannisters and the iron bank that if they were to separate it would lead to a conflict between who rules Westeros and how the king will ever repay the debts without conquering or going into a war with the lannisters for their gold.
@robertsmiley2207
@robertsmiley2207 Місяць тому
This was a very good scene 😀 and it was foreshadowing this and the one with tywin talking to Jaime after he attacked Ned Stark both written ✍️ by Dan and Dave
@chair2945
@chair2945 Місяць тому
Haha, I love the happy lil' background music.
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 Місяць тому
House Baratheon has never been known for ruling their lands, but for wars many of them didn’t even know how to read they allow other people to handle those matters
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 Місяць тому
Also, his wife also said she was in love with the prince and she was still sleeping with her brother so her loving somebody means nothing because she loves herself more so she sleeps with her relatives because they look like her or they remind her of her
@masongrae5010
@masongrae5010 Місяць тому
I think that one scene in the crypt redefines him entirely. He just doesn’t care as much without his lady stark love anymore kinda just doing what he has to do as long in a way he wants to without much thought to consequences because there’s no point and worse case it’s not his problem anymore
@Oj_Pimpson
@Oj_Pimpson Місяць тому
Great video. I want to touch on something you mentioned in your opening. D&D are incredibly talented filmmakers/showrunners, the show went off a cliff because they lost their passion/interest in the show after season 6 and rushed what should have been a 40 episode story into 14 episodes. And yes seasons 5 and 6 are brilliant. What it lacks in writing it more than makes up for with an absolute masterclass in visual filmmaking. And with regards to the writing in seasons 5/6 I’m 100% sure they were told WOW would be long done by the time they reached that part of the story. Seasons 7 and 8 are a disgrace
@TemariNaraannaschatz
@TemariNaraannaschatz Місяць тому
The show had issues before this. Robb marrying Talisa Maegar, Theon saying Ned was like a father to him, cutting out Lady Stoneheart, Arya and Tywin, Littlefinger being openly acknowledged to be a schemer, when almost everyone trusts him in the books, which is how he got his power, cutting out two Tyrell and two Greyjoy brothers (the last two being pov characters), saying season 5+6 are brilliant when Littlefinger marrys Sansa to the Boltons making every one of those characters into idiots, Dorne being just terrible, Euron being basically a joke and Brienne and Stannis becoming incompetent. Sure the show wasn't as bad as the later seasons, but the writing already was terribly lacking. And they had plenty of plot from the books to do, the Ironborn, Sansa in the Vale, the actual Dorne plot -Eliara Sand has the exact opposite standpoint from her bookcounterpart, Davos on Skagos, Lady Stoneheart if they bothered with her and therefore Brienne and Jamies storyline. Season 1 was brilliant, they did very well with the screentime they had to adapt, season 1-4 are amazing to watch but the lack of characater understanding started here in smaller instances. Season 5+6 they went off the books, despite having plenty material and in season 7+8 people noticed how badly it had become. But the issues were there before, just not as noticable for those who only watched the show.
@lynxyu11
@lynxyu11 Місяць тому
But doesnt excuse just not adapting book 4 and book 5 closely, they had alot of stuff there. But they decided to simplify and rush it. If they lost passion let others do it then
@Johnnythefirst
@Johnnythefirst 24 дні тому
They didn't run out of source material, they ran out of f*cks to give and the real turning point was season five.
@thebrospaul2312
@thebrospaul2312 Місяць тому
They did good with George watching
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver Місяць тому
The issue of Westero' lack of unity in the face of a Dothraki invasion is purely a show invention, intended to undermine Ned's claims that the invasion is not much of a concern, and does not justify murdering women and unborn children. It does not really speak to Robert's disengagement, since that is one of the few instances of him acting according to what he perceives as the good of the realm, instead of his wounded pride and displaced hatred toward the Targaryens. Jorah, who is an experienced lord & knight of Westeros, who fought in Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy Rebellion, and has lived with the Dothraki long enough to speak their tongue and explain their customs in terms a Westeros woman like Dany can understand, believes that the Dothraki would have no choice against the fortifications of Westeros, and furthermore, he believes that Robert's closest lords, like Ned, Stannis & Tywin, are smart enough to exploit their advantages. Regarding Robert's counter-arguments, invented by a writing staff that proves abundantly in later seasons that they have zero comprehension of feudal politics or warfare, the commoners might get pissed that their lords are hiding in castles, while the Dothraki ravage the countryside, but so what? They are still outside the castles, lords don't have to stand for reelection and the Dothraki are racists who view every other ethnicity as inferior, and would not have the means or motive to appeal to the people and get them on their side, to make them loyal subjects of King and khalakka Rhaego son of Drogo, rightful heir to House Targaryen. Secondly, a foreign invasion is generally a perfect cure for internal dissension. The lords of Westeros fight over land, wealth, power and reputation, and the Dothraki threaten all of those things and don't offer any opportunities for the lords to get them by turning coat to Team Drogo. Basically, this scene is Robert talking out of his ass because the writers want to make everyone think that Ned is bad at politics, and that their faves, the Lannisters, are smarter and more sympathetic than they really are.
@newdawngamingchannel
@newdawngamingchannel Місяць тому
I loved everything up to the last few seasons
@Pwntistic
@Pwntistic Місяць тому
Robert Baratheon is a Warlord. He is wasted in peace but War - that's where he flourished. If he were alive when Danaerys arrived, when the Others were marching, that would have been something.
@timowen2778
@timowen2778 Місяць тому
that is a really good point D! you can fall in love with someone that you don't know but I don't recommend it. I imagine that if Robert married Lyanna that he wouldn't have treat her much different than he does to Cersei. Hopefully Ned and the other Starks would have slapped some sense into him if he did marry into the Stark family. great video.
@kellygarboden442
@kellygarboden442 Місяць тому
D& D stopped caring.
@basiosrasian225
@basiosrasian225 Місяць тому
9:06 they just stopped caring
@qsoraww5229
@qsoraww5229 Місяць тому
Subscribed
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Awesome. Thanks checking out the channel
@thehandoftheking3314
@thehandoftheking3314 Місяць тому
Cersei's self indulgent delusion causes her to believe that it's her, and her relationships, that are holding the kingdom together.
@Wingcake1
@Wingcake1 Місяць тому
Its funny i onky knew mark addy from still standing and i swear he was from the midwest he really is underrated from playing a depressed king to a fun loving dad.
@izuela7677
@izuela7677 Місяць тому
Robert seems to have been in love with the whole Stark family. Very much idealized them and their tight family bond. Too bad that he was never able to form such bonds with his own brothers. Not sure if that was an innate character flaw or a part of the depression that he never got over. In hs idealized world, he would not be king. And his best friend Ned would be more of a side character, with fewer responsibilities who could possibly even come live with him (and Lyanna) at Storms End if he wasn't needed somewhere else.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
I think it was quite delusional. In this fantasy he would still end up cheating on Lyanna and I'm not sure Ned really would have taken that well for too long. Lyanna would likely give him a child or two and then go off to live elsewhere. Plus, his own anger and wrath is why Ned doesn't want anything to do with him. Robert would have murdered Lyanna's son
@rac1061
@rac1061 Місяць тому
I don’t think Weiss and Benioff were untalented. They just wanted to be free of GOT as quickly as possible so they could sign some very lucrative deals. Problem is they fucked up their own reputations on the way out the door
@raylast3873
@raylast3873 Місяць тому
The thing about Robert is that he can be a pretty decent or a pretty terrible king, depending on how you look at it. He‘s clearly not an administrator, but when he had reliable people to govern for him, he did pretty well. And he was extremely good at diffusing military crises, both because he was a competent and charismatic military leader, and because he was diplomatically flexible; Robert doesn‘t take things personally (except Lyanna) and so avoids making permanent enemies of people who opposed him before, but neither does he back down from a fight. And he does usually trust the right people: By all accounts Jon Arryn is very good at his job and both Ned and Stannis more than pull their weight during military conflicts; more effective than Mace Tyrell or Paxter Redwyne, as we see both during Robert’s Rebellion (when they are enemies) but also during the Greyjoy Uprising (when they are on the same side). It‘s only when Robert doesn‘t have trustworthy people that he gets into trouble. He knows people like Tywin are snakes, but for that reason he hates working with them and so doesn‘t, and instead basically leaves the field to them. I think Robert would have been a fantastic King during the early-to-mid feudal era where there was basically no state apparatus to contend with, and all the Kings were basically just big warlords among other warlords who spent all their time either at war or chilling in their castle and impregnating local peasantry. Later, of course, there would be a style of royalty that‘s completely representative and who‘s job was basically to drink and screw around while the job of governing was left to paid lackeys (not other noblemen who could potentially threaten you); he would clearly have done fine at that, as well. It‘s this in-between situation that‘s awkward for Robert, where there‘s kind of a government but no professional bureaucrats to govern for you. Actually, now that I think about it, I have no idea what the State is even spending money on when there‘s no state apparatus or standing army. At most it‘d be the Goldcloaks (which you can probably finance with taxes and tariffs on the local merchants) and upkeep of the Red Keep. Maybe there is something to the theory that Baelish is just embezzling everything.
@Undone545
@Undone545 Місяць тому
The thing with Robert is that we are witnessing the aftermath of what sbould be his "..hapily ever after" and nothing is going that way and he doesn't know why himself A prince kidnaps his betrothed. The mad king unjustly killed his best friends dad and demanded his own head. His best friend and surrogate father stand by him against the king. He has a climactic battle against said prince, gets the throne though losing his betrothed marries the richest and one of the most beautiful women inthe country. That should be the end. There should be satisfaction but theres not. It should be noted Robert really was the guy when he was young. Ripped like maidens fantasy. Brave. Strong. Handsome. Wealthy. Competent. During the rebellion not all his lords were loyal he fought three consecutive battles with each of those factions and won back them to his side with charisma alone but he fell off
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
And like he said, Rhaegar still won, in a fashion
@nathanherren6708
@nathanherren6708 Місяць тому
This really stuck out to me as one of the best written and performed scenes in the show. I’m actually appalled that the same writers were responsible for the last two seasons
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 Місяць тому
Also, the most important thing is that he never wanted to be king so he was never gonna take the consult meeting serious unlike Ned and John
@taureansynner6993
@taureansynner6993 Місяць тому
King Robert's thoughts were echoed by Joffrey later on. He said to Cersei about a single Army for the Seven Kingdoms, and said to Tywin that something should be done about the potential threat of the Dragons to Westeros. Both Robert and Joffrey were right. It's a shame no one took their worries seriously...
@briannaal3935
@briannaal3935 Місяць тому
This is the reason i want a prequel for the rebellion. I feel it would add so much to the story we know and the characters we see. More tragedy i suppose but i do want a better understanding of Robert's character. From my understanding the reason dnd made the show was because they wanted to recreate the red wedding that was Thier ambition so they didn't really know where to go after that.
@Kalenz1234
@Kalenz1234 Місяць тому
It's almost like Martin was still helping with dialogue and script in season 1.
@tombullard123
@tombullard123 Місяць тому
I think cersei and roberts marriage is holding the kingdom together. The absolute unifying power suddenly dissapears, and the one person left is a super distant relative with almost no claim, but not many have a better one. With the starks and arryns allied with the baratheons, the power of the lannister backing (richest most influential house) really cements his seat. If it were just the stormlands, north, and vale, the dornish or reach might think about becoming independent as they were before Targaryen, since there are no longer Targaryen rulers. The riverlands were allies through marriages to north & vale who themselves were allied with robert baratheon. If the lannisters are also involved, the riverlands is surrounded so their support would be guaranteed. Thats pretty much westeros minus tyrells and martells (who sided with the targaryens so basically winners vs losers and the royal marriage is vital to that alliance)
@annstillwell730
@annstillwell730 Місяць тому
Robert loved Lyanna simply because he couldn't have her. He held up an idolized version of her. He would have ended up bored with her and cheating on her the same as with Cersei. He would have moved on to other women. But because he couldn't have her and she died she remained forever yound and perfect in his eyes. She saw this so ran off with Rheagar. Robert only wanted to party. He was smart just lazy and only cared about his own pleasures. He dragged Ned from his peaceful quiet life up north not caring weather he wanted to do the job or could do the job just wanted his friend to party with him.
@Lucy-yc4bc
@Lucy-yc4bc Місяць тому
This is a great video, but the background music is way too upbeat for the subject matter
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Noted
@thejava.witchiswhispering
@thejava.witchiswhispering Місяць тому
I think Cersei is somewhat correct about her political marriage with Robert "holding the realm together." Robert represents the end of a bloody dynasty: A shining hero who felled the wicked prince, the tragic lover who lost Lyanna. At least in the eyes of the smallfolk. Cersei is an obvious and direct bargaining chip of Tywin Lannister, the bride that tied the Lannister name, fortune, and Tywin's own cunning to Roberts' symbolic strength. Their alliance alone would have easily quelled many an uprising in the 17 years between the rebellion and the pilot.
@jorlok_zander
@jorlok_zander 6 днів тому
9:00 it is true they were good at adapting source material and expanding on it. The fact that the first 3-4 seasons are this good are a proof of that. Adapting a novel to a screen format is not as easy as just copying text from a book into a script. I don't agree with the conclusion, however. Yes they did run out of source material. You can't expand on something if there is nothing to expand on. Majority of season 6 and entirety of seasons 7 and 8 are their original work. And even before that, while they still had source material to work with and expand upon, they actively ignored it to write their own thing (the way they butchered Sand Snakes in s5 and further is a prime example of that)
@ardleighstreet
@ardleighstreet Місяць тому
I think that Robert really wanted Ned as a brother more than he even wanted to marry Lyanna.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
I never thought about it like this, but damn, you're right. And while Ned loved him like a brother, Ned always had to contend with the fact that Robert would have cheated on Lyanna or, had he known the truth, he would have murdered her son. Those two facts sort of ruined whatever love was there
@ardleighstreet
@ardleighstreet Місяць тому
@@carlycrays2831 it also might factor in that Ned got along so well with Robert because of older Brandon.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
@@ardleighstreet Exactly. Ned missed his brother and Robert was a good substitute.
@CHamlin86
@CHamlin86 Місяць тому
When Cersei says the realm is held together by their marriage, I think it's just an observation that wars are often started over succession to the throne. Robert took the throne by conquest, no one really disputes his rule for that reason, and Cersei has provided him with three heirs (at least people think that). Their family represents "normal": a king married to his queen, and they have legitimate heirs, the oldest of which will take the throne when it's time. No one is opposing them, no one is going to start a war over it.
@tylerharris7081
@tylerharris7081 Місяць тому
Season 1 laid a great foundation for Game of Thrones. However ther the flaws in DnDs writing were present even then. Most of them were minor enough that GRR Martin's plot and the amazing acting talents of the older cast overshadowed them for the most part.
@MagiofAsura
@MagiofAsura Місяць тому
Robert would have came into his own once again once the the Clash of Kings started. War is his one thing.
@badyoutuber1986
@badyoutuber1986 Місяць тому
The music is fxcked up a little 😂
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
I wish everyone could how many comments I’ve gotten on this. This has been noted.
@winterwolfcr7
@winterwolfcr7 Місяць тому
Good video with good points, though I will correct on one thing. George Martin was still heavily involved with the show in the first few seasons. So honestly, it is just as likely that he's the one that wrote this scene as anyone else.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
My hesitation with crediting GRRM here is how he expressed how much work he felt he had to do to write his single episodes. However, I do think his consultation was heavily influential for the first 4 seasons.
@SunnyCida
@SunnyCida Місяць тому
1:22 Cersei is actually a little bit right about their marriage, it's Tywin's influence that keeps the realm running peacefully and Robert only has Tywin while he is married to Cersei
@drganknstein
@drganknstein Місяць тому
Would love to see a show with Robert in his prime
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
I’d be happy with anything that covers the rebellion.
@guichogf5636
@guichogf5636 6 днів тому
Robert didn't know her, he didn't love her. His pride was injured when Lyanna was supposedly kidnapped by Rhaegar and he reacted to defend what he believed was rightfully his. During her supposed captivity and after her death, he idealized and idolized her to justify himself. Had she married him, he would have cheated on her too.
@shollies
@shollies Місяць тому
i think cersei was joking when she said their marriage held the realm together but i feel like in a way there is truth to it considering the pretense of their union gave most people no reason to question the legitimacy of her children (yet)
@sydnitheromantictaylor112
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Місяць тому
Robert I believe deep down knew Lyanna didn't love him but didn't want to accept that fact. I doubt she ever showed interest in Robert. If he had gotten to marry Lyanna he would've eventually gotten angry once he would've seen that she was only human and not the girl he assumed her to be and then had done her as shitty as he did Cersei.
@josephherrera6656
@josephherrera6656 Місяць тому
Robert wasn't dellusional, he simply didn't care. He didn't want to become king and said it should have been Nedd, who actually would have been a good king. Robert also told Nedd in the books he knew Jeffory was lying about what happened with Arya and didn't want to kill Sansa's wolf but had no choice when Cersi forced his hand. He also told Nedd that he would leave Westeros now and join the Golden Company but can't because then Joffery would be King and knewn he be a horrible King. Also you have to remember that Robert could always rely on the North, the Valve, Storm's End, and the Riverlands for help with any war he needed to fight. The Western lands would either fight or stay neutral so long as he had Cersi and Jamie close to him. Which left the Iron Islands, Dorne and the Reach to rebel against him if a Targaryen invasion happened. The Dothraki invasion would never have been successful on account Westeros was too big, they had no fixed friendly landing spot. Stannis probably could have destroyed their navy fleet out at sea. Or even by some miracle had they landed and Dorne and the Reach had delcare for them winter was just around the corner which would have sealed their faith.
@kirkdavis2881
@kirkdavis2881 Місяць тому
My head cannon is that Robert subconsciously knows that those aren't his children. That would explain a lot of his behavior.
@kryzzan7039
@kryzzan7039 Місяць тому
Interesting... choice of music but good video overall.
@DCharles
@DCharles Місяць тому
Trust me, I’ll never use it again. It’s the primary complaint I’ve received.
@mckymcobvious3043
@mckymcobvious3043 Місяць тому
i absolutely agree, D&D quit giving af, but they were also super arrogant, they felt like it was _theirs_ and that, even if they're phoning it in and cutting corners, they felt like _they_ should still be the ones to helm the show.
@CognizantCheddar
@CognizantCheddar Місяць тому
It's made very plain in the literature that Robert was good at war, and not much else.
@badyoutuber1986
@badyoutuber1986 Місяць тому
Do you think Bobby B is a Teletubby ? (Background music)
@abelsampaio389
@abelsampaio389 Місяць тому
D&D were very good at adapting the source material. And that scene is part of that adaptation. But when they did had to create content from scratch, the ship sank
@kadbenson7540
@kadbenson7540 Місяць тому
Even a blind pig finds a truffle every once in a while.
@Verteidiger99
@Verteidiger99 Місяць тому
Pretty sure this scene was actually written or had very heavy input from GRRM, those 2 buffoons couldn't come up with such a scene.
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver Місяць тому
Benioff and Wess NEVER knew what they were doing. The mistake and mischaracterizations in this, and other invented scenes, prove that even in the "good seasons", they were still incompetent and drafting off Martin's material and were fairly hopeless without it. The books state that the Dothraki quest to claim Westeros for the Targaryens is futile, and they show Ned as basically competent at politics, whose downfall is that that he did not anticipate a court stuffed with enemies of the crown and that Robert was so checked out and unwilling to engage with responsible administration. Benioff and Weiss clearly thought that since Ned ended up getting killed, he failed and thus he sucks, so Ned must be wrong and they wrote the show that way. They decided to give Cersei more "nuance" completely missing the point that the emotionally abusive upbringing Tywin imposed on all his children, and his failure to engage with them or to treat them as more than tools, has made her into an incompetent politician. The point is that the Lannister superiority complex has rendered Cersei paranoid and incapable of loving anyone but herself, while Ned's form of parenting and leadership has his children well-prepared to cope with all sorts of challenges and rise to be good men and women, and has the North fighting to bring back his children to rule them, because they want more of that Stark leadership.
@alexmontenegro9991
@alexmontenegro9991 Місяць тому
I think Cersei is partially correct from an objective POV and 100% correct from a subjective POV when she says their marriage is holding the realms together. Their marriage was a political agreement between the military alliance of the Starks, Arryns and ruling Baratheons with the rich Lannisters. The time following the rebellion was relatively peaceful with the Lannisters bankrolling Robert and the alliance putting down rebellion following the usurpation of the Targaryan dynasty. While there were a lot of factors in play for the realm's relative stability, the Lannister/Baratheon alliance was definitely a part of it, and it is fully consistent with Cersei's character to fully believe that she is the cornerstone of that peace.
@TheGoddon
@TheGoddon Місяць тому
Now that after the disastrous ending of GOT D&D have a lot to prove to the audience, I think Three Body Problem might be good.
@morgang5666
@morgang5666 Місяць тому
Robert was based
@NielsMulvad
@NielsMulvad Місяць тому
The invasion from the Dothraki would never succeed if the 7 kingsdoms are not in a civil war. They need to be transported by ship, the amount of logistics needed to feed a horse riding army, even if it's just for 3 days (pentos to kingslanding) is insane. Then comes the idea that they (the dothraki) needs to disembark, reform, rest and then be a threat. A single major house should/would be able to counter the invasion. The amount of invaders would be very limited, the threat of the army would be very limited, unless they are allowed to muster and prepare on your own soil.
@jameshodell4
@jameshodell4 Місяць тому
Robert Baratheon was the Bert Kreischer of Westeros
@user-ul7vd7wx1c
@user-ul7vd7wx1c Місяць тому
If he lover her by all heart without knowing anymore how she looked like.. It means he loves someone unconditionally. Thats strong.. And way more negative cause lose loving such people goes over years..
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
I don't think so. He was going to cheat on her and he would have murdered her son
@user-ul7vd7wx1c
@user-ul7vd7wx1c Місяць тому
@@carlycrays2831 If u would have loved someone so unconditioinally.. Wouldn't it destroy u too if this person u thouhgt saved for u in the first place escapes without knowing you to the back door? I dont think you wouldn't agree.. Just because u are deeply frustrated and angered against someone that doesn't make u a bad person. Rather on what cost actions u are ready to sell in real time.. That makes the question. Without doubts Robert in that story didnt care for others for real.. More of his own ego itsself.. But people forget what it makes with people especially in todays time many just don't give a shit..
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 Місяць тому
@@user-ul7vd7wx1c He was going to cheat on her
@kristianstrauss7661
@kristianstrauss7661 Місяць тому
The only reason robert wasn't worse off what because of the lannister money which he got by marrying cersi
@csguy3223
@csguy3223 Місяць тому
Robert accurately assessed most threats to the throne. I don’t think he was that clueless. I think Cersei was a manipulative gaslighter and so it’s hard to know what reality is through the lens of a conversation with her.
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