Yeah, I really thought they should have put that Pycell scene in, as it show how perceptive he is :D

The pycell scene is a great scene and definitely should have been kept in.

standupgie My favourite character is Tywin Lannister, because he's a lot like me IRL.

standupgie Tywin is the only reason why I admire and respect the Lannister name, the show makes me worry and root for the Starks but I know where my loyalty lies. Hear me roar!

standupgie Hear me Roar!

Ha! Maybe so. Nothing gets past you, I bet ;)

Yeah, the way he commanded every screen made him so entertaining to watch :D

daddy issues anyone?

"I suppose you would have spared the boy and told Lord Frey you had no need of his allegiance? That would have driven the old fool right back into Stark's arms and won you another year of war. Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner." With that one line he made me really reconsider the Red Wedding, which broke my heart. The man is cold, ruthless, and calculating. But never exceeding a strange practical ethics..

llamaswithouthats based on GOT alone, who 'doesn't' have daddy issues???

Yes! Charles Dance was f**kin amazing!

@King Mckay He’s great no matter what he’s in.

He was also good in last action hero

That part

Well said he made the character what it is he brought it to life

not really his mind apparently stop working in season 7 and 8

@@justdizzy3273 I ignore those seasons. Lol. The "writers" aren't the original creator, so had no clue how to write Tyrion accurately. It's never organic when someone tries to write a character not their own. I pretend seasons 7 & 8 don't exist at all, and my own version of events are vastly different than what D&D wrote. For one, Aegon Targaryen (Jon) isn't worthless toss away that was resurrected for nothing, and actually defeats the knight king as it's been foreshadowed since the dawn of their appearance. It's always been his fight. Arya wants to avenge her family, so her targets are all personal. She also doesn't run off to other lands, but remains in Winterfell where she's always belonged. Bran helps them decipher fact from fiction, guilty from innocent, where the bad guys are in his worg state, and nothing more than that. There is no weird cripple as the king, the actual victor takes the throne. Tyrion is actually a Targaryen too, whom already respects and gets along with Aegon (Jon), and they rule on their 3 dragons, but justly. Jon and Tyrion are loving and loyal, and that is just the sort of environment Dany needs to thrive. A logical, organic flow and sequence of events would have satisfied viewers much more than the garbage they threw at us. Too many writers want to "subvert expectations." Sometimes this works, like when we found out Darth Vader is Luke's father. However, when poorly done , it ruins stories, like when Palpatine "somehow survived" and Rey was his granddaughter to explain her Mary Sue-ness. Just... awful. These stories are better in our imaginations, don't let D&D ruin your love for this story!

Thats why he hated tyrion, cuz he was everything twyin was......except that he was a lil "monkey demon" and his wife died as a result of tyrions birth.

late reply but none of this wouldve happened if they had embraced tyrion and used him to his full potential

Muddy Witch is tired......

He didn't give him hand off the king because he recognized his brilliance. But Tyrion could never follow his harsh orders.

PiGo harsh orders? He told him not to turn a hoe into a housewife. He told him to leave the whore where he found her. I believe that is a reasonable thing to ask. Tyrion thinks with his dick and people go on the woe is him bs.

Oh man I know! If Tywin had let go of his resentment of Tyrion and nurtured him, the two of them would’ve been unstoppable

Hahaha never alone :D

Alone? Tywin is one of the most like characters.

You are definitely not alone!

nope I'm #HouseLannister

Tywin is great !!

Yeah, Charles Dance took all the power of the character in the books and flushed it out full on screen, great actor!

David Bliss when I look from Tywins perspective I can understand his dislike for Tyrion he killed he beloved wife when he was born due to his deformities, his final son ruining the whole Lannister line in one foul swoop due to Jaime being a kings guard at this moment I believe, tyrion had defamed the Lannister name not by choice but based one his birth. Tywins greatest weakness was that despite him acting like he didn't consider the opinions of the sheep he has always this is why tyrions weakness his such a problem to him

Also, if u followed the tyrion targarien theories, he might actually not be tywins son

Had Tywin recognized what an asset Tyrion is, he might still be alive now.

Tyrion succeeds in bringing order to King's Landing, leads the defense of King's Landing against Stannis Baratheon, eliminates the chief agent through which his rule may be undermined by Cersei's interference, and gets rid of the corrupt chief of the Gold Cloaks. He did a bang up job there. Tywin has many great features which make him an excellent character and formidable person. His numerous failings as a father and his overly harsh treatment of defeated enemies earned his family more enemies in the long run and left the Lannisters in an incredibly fragile position once he was gone.

Well it was his fucking seed that made Tyrion, so I never understand how he is to blame, like i understand i guess because people during that age were retarded about things like that. (Pycelle claiming treason was a weed that would spread to Sansa)

That was very well put :D

Most of the villain in every movie/serie ever did much less cruel things than Tywin, and still there is people saying he's not a villain, he is the man behind the red wedding, the rape of Elia Martell and her kids, he tried to kill his own son multiple time just because he is a dwarf, he tortured thousands of people on Harrenhall, he gave power to one of the most cruel man ever seen on television Ser Gregor Clegane, yes he is a bad guy, even by game of throne standards.

@ledernierutopiste I have to agree with you, in my eyes he's not a character I admire and I personally refuse to put him on a pedestal. I think a lot of the reason why others write off his misdeeds comes down to the fact he exemplifies traits that our society values. Not that it's a bad thing to value traits like hard work, leadership and knowledge, I just think we should put it in perspective. I know my opinion fundamentally disagrees with many on this thread, but having these types of discussions are always a good thing.

Yes, but I doubt either one of them would ever break in an argument :D

that argument between stannis and tywin would be hilarious in a deadpan sort of way

that scene with stannis and Davos after Davos is rescued from the blackwater, stannis just looks at him turns around "I thought you were dead" hilarious

it would be very similar to Stannis`s conversation with Renly. One side would be speaking about morals and rights the other would be about timing and position. Nothing would come about. The conversation would end with Stannis saying `we shall see Tywin, we shall see`

Better question is who would win in a battle tywin or stannis both commanding similar army strengths. My money is on stannis since he is a much more grizzled veteran of many of Roberts campaigns and proved he can deal deciding blows with minimal forces.

アキラ Agreed. Tywin Lannister and Roose Bolton are very similar. Great leaders

That would make some great house word "Pride and Cold" :D

lol yep!

Say what you want but Tywin was he most evil character in game of thrones. Great villain yes.

Warden of the North most evil character in the game? Might I introduce you to the man with the Silence, a pirate vessel feared all over the world and crewed by people who have their tongues ripped out by the Iron Captain with the blue lips, eyepatch, suit of Valyrian steel armor and a horn that makes dragons obey him? If you think Tywin is the most evil character you need a proper introduction to Euron Greyjoy. I am the storm...

Ever Dawn Ser Gregor, Qyburn, Ramsy , Vargo Hot , Every Ironborn

Yeah I love Charles Dance :D

@@KingMckay I never believe that stupid theory about Tyrion not being Tywin's son, simply because it takes away from the tragedy of their relationship,and it feels so cheap saying he doesn't like Tyrion because he isn't his son and it also makes no sense, Tywin would have just killed Tyrion if that was the case and he definitely would have found a way to kill the mad king if he known he put his hands on his beloved wife,long before any rebellion ever happened, tell me do actually believe Tywin would have let that go unpunished for so long because the theory itself is a insult to Tywin.

Yeah defiantly would have been better for the realm :D

fucking cersei is the worst

What about Craster...

When you work for a Tywin then you can see the hatred towards him. I had to suffer underneath a boss just like him and life absolutely sucked.

DaemonPix This. That's why he is terrible. The problem is, people get blinded to the real (book) Tywin's ruthless, cold, selfish nature in the light of the much humanized show-Tywin's certain characteristics.

That's all thanks to Charles Dance I think :D

Thanks really well put :D

If anything, I'd blame Barristan Selmy for the whole mess in the books. If he didn't bother and just let the Mad Dipshit Aerys die in Duskendale, Rhaegar would be king, and Tywin would have stayed Hand.

One of many actions that changed the course of Westeros history forever LD

@@Borderose Sir Barrestam even wish he had let the Mad King died. He claimed Prince Rhaeger could have been a good king. And I support him

Yeah I also liked that time he sent Joffrey to bed hahaha :D

Yeah totally, whenever we meet characters like Keven, Genna and others close to Tywin we learn how great he truly is. Just sad he ended up against our protagonists :(

Arya was a joy to watch as well also the hound

Yeah, I really liked the show's addition of Tywin and Arya interacting. Having two awesome characters play off each other like that SOOOOO FUCKIN COOL :D

I think there's more Tywin fans out there but it's not a popular opinion so people just say Dany or something :D

Δημητρης Βαγκοπουλος good riddance to the death of tywin a truly evil character. I think roose is a much better planner than he is but just as despicable. Best character by far is Tyrion or arya.

Of a man of great power and the position he is in he has to be what he is :D

For example ?

Love that book. It's best to be loved and respected. It's most important to be feared.

@@michaelplowman8674 it is preferred to be both loved and feared, but because having both is almost impossible, being feared is safest. But never allow yourself to be despised.

Yes, I don't believe Tyrion is a Targn I think that Tywin believes it to be a possibility and that adds to his treatment towards Tyrion.

technically cersei is his daughter so...

Yeah, he's a total boss :D

lol hahaha :D

Me as well, usually I get evil looks when I say this, but whatever. Lol.

Indeed he is the *ultimate hypocrite* He commit incest with his wife/cousin and thinks hes clever. But turns a blind eye toward his childrens love and stupidity. Kevan is tywin fanboy who gave tyrion some really poor excuse. Just because Tywin's dad is weak and indecisive. Doesn't excuse him to be needlessly cruel towards Tyrion. He is a terrorist, coward, and liar. Im not trying to condemn or anything.

The Ultraman It should probably be noted that marrying your cousin in this world isn't considered incest.

Another thing I find hypocritical about him is his obsession with the Lannister legacy. Well his legacy was turning his house into the most hated one since the Targaryans or Harren the Black. Every single Great house in Westeros now despise the Lannisters and eventually they'd collapse

Isa Sulayman maybe Twyin was getting revenge of The Mad King raping his wife by taking Tyrions whore ? Tywin could shag any whore in Kings landing, and maybe this was him releasing the anger towards Tyrion, the Mad King. The only justification I can think of

The Ultraman Marrying cousins wasn't seen as incest in real life or Westeros.

I think he's more a product of his time than simply a "bad person."

@@dubbeking I think that's too relativistic. Nearly any person could be labelled as 'a product of their time.' Tywin was clever AF, charismatic and well written, but also self-interest-driven and without any kind of honour. The video even excuses his orders/acceptance of raping and killing the king's wife and little children lol.

@James Chris Don't assume others have 'not seen the video' just because they don't agree with you. I've watched it and I still think he was a 'bad person,' if you will. Not evil, because the bad things he did were the means, not the goal itself (i.e.: he was not 'sadistic,' 'mad,' etcetera). But he was still the paradigm of someone who would maintain the system in his favour: all of his character is about that. He knew no honour, and all the 'he saved many lives' discourse conveniently ignores that he did it because war would have been bad to his own interests and those of his family, and not because high moral standards or worryings. If he had needed war given a certain circumstance, he would have started war without a second thought; the thing being, he knew war should be avoided if possible, but ONLY because of strategy, not ethics. He was clever and charismatic, with no doubt, and you could learn a lot from him. But he would order to kill you ruthlessly if that could help his plans. So yes, I think he matches one of the various today's definitions of 'bad person.' And I've not even talked about his 'personal' side (e.g.: Tyrion).

Even Ned the icon of morality in GOT lied to his wife for 2 decades about John and backed a brute just because they where friends.

@@Itizhor robert was gonna do it anyway and tywin didn't want him to invade the westerlands

Hahaha :D

He didn't say Tyrion wasn't Tywins son, he said there is a possibility that he isn't. Tywin himself don't know if Tyrion is his real son or not and thats whats eating him up.

:D

Hahaha :D

Yeah, personally I don't think Tyrion will be a Targaryen, but I believe the possibility he could be in Tywin's mind adds to the tension in there relationship :D

Tywin saying "you are no son of mine" is just him disowning Tyrion, not confirming any sort of theories.

Tywin once said if he could have proof that tyrion wasnt his son. Why would he said that??? I believe tyrion is part targaryen plus the dragon had a connection with him

@@mariangeliemartinez322 It would make more sense if Jaime and Cersei were the bastards and Tyrion is his only trueborn son, because as a person of pride and a person that don't have problem with killing babies he would've killed Tyrion if he even got a whiff of infidelity or even if Tyrion is a true born. The only way to explain this is Jaime and Cersei were bastards and he chose to raise them because Jaime was a promising warrior and Cersei was beautiful.

Hahaha :D

Don't you mean Karl Fookin Tanner? The Legend of Gin Alley?

My two favourite characters in the tv series. I prefer Tywin though.

Bronn is also awesome. He's like a selfish version of Tywin.

4e34e545e345w3 Agreed. Bronn is my favorite

I choose to make this well after his death as it allows us to look at his whole life and what he did :D

King Mckay Oh ok thats a great point :D

Frédéric Chopin and killed by the underestimated and bullied son "to create a demon u just to bully an angel "

Frédéric Chopin is a bit late, considering that he is dead.

Frédéric Chopin what is dead may never die

No one can bring down us Tywin fans :D

Valar Morghulis

Though he would still be a bastard

People love this theory. But Tyrion is clearly Tywin's son. He is more like him than Jaime or Cersei. He even says "I am your son."

Army of Ninjas Jon Snow says "I'm Ned Starks bastard". Does that make him Ned Starks bastard even though it isn't true?

Timtim Gaming how

Timtim Gaming yeah how? Daenarys is the mad king daughter is 100% from the dragon bloodline unlike tyrion which if true what is said in the video, he would be a bastard

Yeah if we got more from her she would be up there in my Favourites too :D

SPOILER: In season 7 Highgarden will be ransacked by Cersei/House Lannister, House Tyrell will be officially destroyed, and Lady Olenna will either throw herself or be thrown from the stronghold's battlements to her death. RIP House Tyrell Seasons 1-7.

sentenialofliberty You are my least favorite person in the world right now...

In the show she just goes, "Men suck? Right sisters!" every scene. Does she have a puddle of depth in the books?

I love her!

Or you're just trying to find hidden and politically connotated messages where there is nothing of the like. Here are two counter-examples to your conspiratorial delirium: Jon Snow and Tommen Baratheon. The first one is a realist yet also a hero while the second one is an idealist... He may not be a villain, though, but his extreme weak-mindedness and incompetence couldn't have resulted in anything other than a big political crisis, giving his position. I could go on and on like that for quite some time but there is only so much time I can keep going without bursting of laughter at the view of your paranoid comment.

I dislike Tywin not as a character but as a person. He only invaded the Riverlands because Catelyn captured his son. But was there any reason to send his "dogs" to slaughter the Riverland smallfolk for 2 whole years? Was it necesarry to pillage Kings Landing and slaughter thousands of smallfolk only to secure his next alliances to the new king? And destorying two entire houses? Even the children who had nothing to do with the uprising? Flooding a castle with every single person in it? Dont get me wrong I like Tywin for a lot of things that he has done and most of his decisions are fair from his view but his punishments of smallfolk, goldcloaks, antlermen and nobles goes way and way too far for me to like him. He is just a smart dick with no respect for human life.

Leo of Red Keep fuck capitalism

Leo of Red Keep Or, maybe they hate Tywin because he's a mass murderer, a rapist and a looter, a man who has no problem slaugthering entire houses with all their women and children, burning entire villages down to the ground, and even condemning his own son to death. It's far more simple than your delusional, out-of-reality political theories.

because everything comes down to left vs right! /s

Daenerys judges everybody for the actions of a few.

Well, entrie Westeros WAİTED till he died to laugh at him. İts easy to laugh at someone when they cant hit you back aye? Also most of the population loved Tywin as a ruler.

+Benching Loved? Proof, please! There is a huge difference between feared and loved! The point I was making was that Tywin hated to have himself or his precious family laughed at, but that is exactly what he wrought by his behavior! His actions toward Tyrion brought his own ignoble death upon himself!

He got more cheers than king at some point in a tournament. Also its been stated multiple times in the books that all of the westeros had a deep respect for the man. Read the books and you ll see it.

+Benching I have read the books several times, as a matter of fact. The word respect is actually mentioned with Tywin's name only 4 times in the five novels, and only once of those four times does it refer to Tywin himself, and it is this, from Jaime in AFFC, "Jaime suspected that many and more were secretly delighted to see the great man brought low. Even in the west, Lord Tywin had been more respected than beloved, and King's Landing still remembered the Sack". So a deep respect, no, I don't see that in the text. Certainly not by Ned or people of the north, certainly not by the Martell's. As a matter of fact, in seems like Jaime feels that Tywin's reputation was damaged by allowing the Sack of Kings Landing. Actually, Tywin was smart, so it is surprising he let that happen to the city. People remember stuff like that, but Tywin obviously didn't care what people thought of him, which does show his arrogance, which Cersei certainly inherited. The cheering incident that you speak of was a tournament hosted by Tywin to celebrate Prince Viserys birth, and it is from Cersei's POV, and I think it could be said that her memories and idea's are to be taken carefully. She was 12 at the time, but just as narcissistic and vain as ever, "They cheered Father twice as loudly as they cheered the king, but only half as loudly as they cheered Prince Rhaegar". This tourney was also held in Lannisport, so right in Tywin's back yard, so to speak, and I am sure people cheered their liege lord. Cheering at a tournament does not equal respect in my mind, but we all are entitled to our own opinions. I think that Tywin commanded by fear, but fear is a powerful tool and fear can be respected. I am not saying he wasn't respected at all, because he was, but not widely, and maybe not much out of the Westerlands. TWOIAF states this, "the manner in which he had dealt with the rising of the Reynes and Tarbecks had made him well respected, even feared, throughout the Seven Kingdoms", but I take this book with a grain of salt, as it is obvious propaganda for Houses Baratheon and Lannister, written for young King Tommen but a Maester with questionable intentions. GRRM refers to it as semi-canon. so who really knows what we should take from it. No doubt that Tywin is a complicated character, and like the majority of GRRM's characters, he is neither black nor white, but multiple shades of grey. Tywin was smart, and not afraid, seemed to keep the Westerlands in order and was a distinguished battle commander, but he wasn't beloved and his arrogance hurt him at times. And I can't forget that he did awful things to people over the course of his life, all for his pride and arrogance, and that sticks with me more than some people cheering at a tournament.

Yeah I do like Stannis a lot and was that a Trump joke :D

+King Mckay So every time someone says the word "trump" you assume it's a joke about the president?

stannis...pls. one of the most cliche and predictable characters. absolutely no depth.

Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!

He burned his daughter alive though

Thanks :D