Cuz he can and he’s not our bi*ch

It's entirely possible that Tywin was a good man at heart, he simply saw that the security and integrity of the Seven Kingdoms could only be kept if it was fiscally solvent, monetarily in the green and united enough to defend itself against outside invasion from powers wanting to exploit divided realms and conquer them one by one. He saw the threat from the last Targaryen and decided to even ally with bitter enemies like House Martell that he had personally deeply wronged in order to defend the kingdoms from that threat, and I don't assume he would have assumed that would be the last threat. If the fact that he eventually accepted that dragons were real again is any indicator he was probably even preparing to settle his debt with the iron bank through selling titles like Warden of the North to increase his "credit score" for lack of a better term, thereby allowing him to gain enough gold to fight the white walkers. Once that fight was over with, even in Winter, he probably would have invaded Braavos in order to cancel his second debt because of his sheer Machiavellian brilliance, thereby giving him enough capital to conquer the world should he wish it.

It was less his ability to recognize his usefulness but rather his inability to overcome his grief over Joanna and thus his hatred of Tyrion. Remember Tywin still granted Tyrion the title of Hand of the King instead of leaving Cersei to rule alone in King’s Landing, he even made him Master of Coin after Blackwater. So at barest Minimum he considered Tyrion more useful than even Cersei in this regard. To Tywin, Tyrion is an ugly little reminder of his wife’s death, a cruel practical joke from the gods, old and new.

To be honest, i can see his point of view. I dont support him, but i understand. Tyrion was cursed with being a constant reminder of everything that made tywin angry. So angry that it overwhelmed whatever rational thoughts he had. Im not sure if you know of tywins past, but its like everything that happened in tywins life led to him hating tyrion. Tywins dad was the mockery of the lannisport, he got no respect and it made people conspire against him. Then tyrion is born as a dwarf and people make fun of him for that. Then the mad king most likley raped tywins wife and tyrion is born 9 months later. Then joanna dies giving birth to tyrion. Joana, the only person who tywin ever loved and the only person who made him smile. And tyrion is a constant reminder of the rape of his wife and of her death. Finally, the mad king landed tywin a final blow by making jamie a kingsguard, meaning he couldnt marry, making tyrion the only remaining male heir , in other words, making the bastard son of the mad king the only heir to the lannister name.

cringe. only selfish/jealous/weak ppl need dishoner. its better for selfless ppl to be honorable then dishonorable. otherwise honor would be devalued in society. using this cruel good honor bad messages to get attention its cheap and dishonorable lmao.

Everyone talks about how ruthlessly pragmatic he was. That he outplayed the starks. But his influence DIED with him. Is it better to be feared or loved? He was feared. Eddard Stark was loved. Stark's influence carried on after his death. Thousands of Northmen seek to avenge the starks or die in the attempt. Tywin's legacy is a house in ruin basically. Cersei will blow the sept and fuck everything up. All three of her kids will die. Kevan - tywin's brother is dead now as well. Jamie will have a redemption arc if he survives stoneheart (which he will obviously). Tyrion is not even a Lannister anymore really.

Of course he is able to see how good Tyrion is, that’s how Tyrion became Hand of the King. He failed to emotionally understand and connect with his family, and result in not able to predict and control his sons and daughter. This is why he failed.

Thats funny considering the Tywin went down in the toilet.

​@@mrintrovert5068tyrion confirms tywin's death because of the smell after he went down, so that's your plotline right there. If only tywin did shit gold tho...

There is much to be gleaned from a face.

The books did too

That’s gross. If you read the books, you come to know that Tywin constantly humiliates women for no good reason and orders his guards to gang rape Tyrion’s wife for marrying him. Tywin watches it all like some sort of lunatic. It’s insane to me how many people see Tywin as intelligent when he’s simply more vicious and vengeful than any other character in the story. Tywin is worse than every single Targaryen combined into one.

He let the Frey and Boltons take the glory of the Red Wedding.

The suspicion that he was involved, however, is enough to make their enemies hostile. After all, the black fish certainly suspects that Tywin is involved.

It's actually doubtful that Tywin had any part in planning the Red Wedding at all. It was primarily a Frey plot with support from the Boltons and the blessing of the Lannisters. Basically, the only thing the Lannisters did was promise to pardon the Freys and Boltons after they betrayed the North, but the horrible plan was cooked up mostly by the Freys and perpetrated by the Freys and Boltons. The Lannisters are still partly to blame, since they agreed to pardon the culprits, but Tywin shouldn't get too much credit for making an incredibly easy decision.

Lord Tywin's methods and tactics are effective, however, it contrasts with the stellar reputation the Starks have made for themselves. The Red Wedding was a masterstroke, but it left with all of the realm with a deeper animosity for the Freys and Lannisters. It also left Westeros a little worse off than before in tiny ways. Subtle ways, where there is a permanent drop in the quality of life now that guest right has been tainted. Think stricter TSA procedures in a post-9/11 world. Also, every gain Lord Tywin has won for House Lannister is short-lived. Now that he's dead, every ally, every rival, every enemy of House Lannister is out for blood. Control won through fear lasts as long as the fear exists. People have little to fear from a dead man. Meanwhile, in the North, there are multiple conspiracies to overthrow the Boltons and restore House Stark to power. They are still singing praises of Ned Stark and are working to rescue his children four books after his death. That is loyalty that Tywin Lannister can only dream of.

@@kagekun1198 Yes, loyalty based on fear doesn't last. This decline could have happened in the long term if Tywin lived, but his health and mentality started to fail. Or sooner when the Lannister gold started to run out.

The red wedding didn't make house Lannister feared again, it was looked at with disgust which was directed to the Frays and Bolton's because they commited the act.We as the readers know Tywin orchestrated it the realm doesn't, only rumours and gossips. I mean as for the purple wedding it's heavily implied either Tywin had a part in it or was unbothered by it, everyone knew Joffrey had to go specifically Tywin who hated the boy who reminded him of the mad king, so I'm sure him dying to keep the Tyrells alliance even if Tywin knew they did it he would turn a blind eye. But the red wedding and purple are very different one is to swiftly end a war and one was to swiftly kill a mad king to strengthen an alliance, both of which positively benifited House Lannister. Of cause Littlefinger taking Sansa is a different story.

​​​@@kagekun1198I have to disagree I mean people blame the red wedding on the Frays and Bolton's not the Lannister's that's why many came to Joffrey's wedding.Thats after the red wedding so it's not like they where not trusted or something. Sure Ned has love and loyalty from his Bannerman something Tywin doesn't. But that doesn't make his efficient methods and Ned's lack of political awareness any less true. If Tywin wasn't a narcissist, controlling father and he was able to mold his children into him, the Lannister's would win the game of Thrones.

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk If you want to be that pedantic, then strictly speaking, the Boltons also escaped the blame as nobody is talking about Roose Bolton being the one to personally kill Robb Stark. Also, the main attendants of the Purple Wedding are Lannisters, Tyrells and Oberyn Martell and their assorted bannermen. All of which are mandatory invitees as they are formal allies (on paper). None of the smallfolk or non-Lannister affiliated houses attended the event. There was no invitee that did not have a stake in House Lannister. And the contrast between Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister was the point of the post. Believe it or not, many powerful men cease to be relevant the moment they die. (See Khal Drogo for further details) What sets Ned and House Stark apart from Tywin is the goodwill that they have garnered endures past Ned's death. Sure it sucked for him to die prematurely but in the end, House Stark will outlast this disastrous time because of the support of the Northern houses they have earned.

Not just with Tyrion. In general Tywin, with his ways, has piled up a lot of hatred under the carpet. After all, it was his fault that Dorne and the Targaryens hated the Lannisters. And the Red Wedding induced only distrust and hatred in the men of the north, not fear. So the truth is that Tywin brought the Lannisters to power but at the same time planted the seeds of their downfall. Because what he created had such weak foundations that killing it was enough to make it collapse like a house of cards.

Tywin's method of ruling and conquering is very similar to Aegon the first. Aegon showed no mercy to his enemies, only fire and blood. But to those who bent the knee to him, he rewarded with utmost graciousness. The only thing that probably prevented Tywin from conquering the world was his lack of dragons.

I wouldn't say it all "makes sense". See his treatment of tyrion.

@@fightingmedialounge519 It's not good, and I'm not saying that Tywin is right in any way, however I understand why Tywin treats Tyrion the way that he does. Firstly, it is because of Westerosi's societal stigmas and perceptions pertaining to dwarfism. That definitely plays a role in it. However, it is also because Tywin associates that with the loss of his late and beloved wife. Tywin obviously blames Tyrion for the fact that he lost Joanna - the only person that he truly and fully loved unselfishly. Now, again, it is not right for Tywin to blame Tyrion for that, and obviously I'm not trying to justify his behaviour towards Tyrion (I actually condemn it and believe that it was despicable), but I can also understand where it comes from. It makes logical sense when you think about it through the lens of everything that Tywin has been through in his life. Tywin probably sees Tyrion as a manifestation of some curse from the gods - which would also make it more understandable why he would turn against the religion in the first place. Tywin is an atheist in the book, and also on the show, though a part of him probably fears that the whisperings are actually true and that Tyrion is a curse from the gods set down to destroy him and everything that he's tried to build. So Tywin projects a lot of fears, insecurities and blame onto Tyrion. It's not right - but I understand it.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 I never claimed you did, so that's irrelevant. Understanding why he does it and it making sense are two very different sentiments. Except nothing about that stigma advocates fathers to have their sons wife's raped. That was all tywin operating under his bruised ego. Again, I'm correcting you on the claim that everything tywin did was rational. Morality has nothing to do with it. Except logic is not predicated on personal views; quite the opposite in fact. What you're describing is his biases dictating his actions. It's only implied in the books, and in the the show he explicitly isn't an atheist considering he says he views tyrion as a punishment from the gods( he may hate God's, but that's not the same as being an atheist who doesn't believe in them). His hatred has very little to do with religious superstition and comes from his personal insecurities( such as his relationship with his father and his own faults he sees in tyrion). To say tywin is always rational and reasonable either requires you to ignore his entire relationship with tyrion, or deliberately misinterpret it to fit your treasured traits of the character.

​@@fightingmedialounge519yeah, if everything he did was purely logical, then he would have relied on tyrion a whole lot more. Or he would have had him killed at birth.

I think he was referring to the morality of it, most people call it dishounarable because they where killed in a wedding when they where given guest rights. But those same people wouldn't have a problem with more than that on the battlefield. I think the main point he was making was that death is death.

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk No he was genuinely deluding himself. Ther eis NO morality in what he did. And turned the war of the Five Kings into something close toa war of GODS. Like WHY people keep ignoring that Magic is real?

A Brazilian saying: Independente irmão.

@@facundogonza5740 "deluding himself" magic isn't a common thing in the Westeros world you only think it is because you're looking at it from a reader's perspective, but it's crazy to think a guy as pragmatic as Tywin would believe in such.

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk And that costs him everything.

How so I could argue his far more impressive in the books than in the show?

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk He loses every single battle against the North during the WoTFK (apart from against Roose) and wins the war solely because Tyrion and Littlefinger arranged a marriage alliance with the Tyrells and both the Freys and Karstarks had abandoned Robb during his return from the Westerlands. He was on the verge of total defeat and played little role in Joffery's victory. Tywin also massively underestimates just about every single one of his rivals due to his own superiority complex. He deluded himself into believing that Tyrion could just waltz into the North and the Northern lesser houses would just accept it being a Lannister ruled province because Tywin had forced Sansa and Tyrion to marry. He convinced himself that the Tyrells would just accept being repeatedly undermined despite the massive amount of leverage they had over the crown and that they would just accept Cersei marrying Willas of Highgarden, Jaime marrying Margaery and believed that they were little more than lackies. And he would face no consequences for this belief. For all his idle bickering over legacy, he manages to completely destroy his relationship with all three of his children. He disowns Jaime when Jaime refused to eject himself from the Kingsguard and marry Margaery (a plan that would never have worked since Mace Tyrell wanted her to be queen, not some Lannister lady). He makes Tyrion's life a living hell - a move that turns out to be *literally* suicidal. He also admits he sees Cersei as little more than a breeding machine - a mentality she has internalised and herself become an incredibly selfish, miserable and scheming individual who isn't as clever as she thinks she is. Overall, Tywin was by no means a tactically incompetent person (see what happened to the Reynes and Tarbecks). But he was an absolutely terrible judge of character and this is primarily due to his enormous superiority complex.

@@AdamNoizer He loses every battle against the Northerners in the war, true but Lord Tywin isn't really portrayed as a great general more off a political mastermind Wins the war solely because Littlefinger and Tyrion arranged a marriage with the Tyrrell's??? Firstly how does this win them the war? Secondly do you really think Tywin would be unable to realise the Tyrrell's could be ally's, I mean throughout his life he's been making matches for his sons and daughters. Tywin came up with the red wedding he caused the Frays and Bolton's to betray the Starks. Tyrion was ordered by Tywin to make sure the small council was loyal to the crown which led to Tyrion making that arrangement with Littlefinger. Read chapter 53 SOS Tywin actually planned for the Stark loyalists to fight the Bolton's and Greyjoys, and when thier all weakened he would declare Tyrion and Sansa's son as Lord of Winterfell as he would be the only living Stark aside from Jon I suppose. Tywin was planning on taking the North by force if it came to that. I knew Tywin wanted Cersei to marry Willa's which is honestly not that far fetched especially considering he had other choices and when Mace Tyrell denied him he reacted calmly and in a understanding manner, I don't think he had a infuriaty complex and if he did he didn't make stupid decisions because of it. But he intended for Jamie to marry Mergeery???? That would be crazy what chapter

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk The marriage alliance with the Tyrells wins them the war because it adds another eighty thousand men to Joffery's army and is the reason Stannis lost at the Battle of Blackwater. The Red Wedding was not what defeated Robb Stark. Robb Stark lost the war when half of his army (the Karstarks and the Freys) deserted him en masse during his return from the Westerlands. By the time of the Red Wedding, Robb had been forced to abandon all of his gains in the war and return North to retake his kingdom from the Ironborn. Tywin's orchestration of the Red Wedding was essentially just the killing blow after Robb had already lost. Which "Stark Loyalists" would bend the knee to Tyrion Lannister as Lord of Winterfell? Sure, they may recognise Sansa but that's about it. Expecting Stark Loyalists to bend the knee to the Iron Throne after Joffery murdered Ned is crazy enough, but the North bending the knee to a Lannister Warden of the North is pure fantasy. Tywin believing he could simply "take the north by force" is delusional. He correctly assess that the Boltons would be unable to do this because of its size and decentralisation, but believes that he would be somehow free from such limitations. In summary, Tywin was a fairly competent politician, an average military commander and an absolutely poor judge of character. *Edit:* Per your question, he demanded that Jaime renounce his position as LC of the Kingsguard and suggested he marry Margaery in ASOS Jaime VII.

@@AdamNoizer But you fail to realise the reason the Frays left the Starks course because Robb broke his oath when he married Jeyne which Tywin and Sybelle Spicer where conspiring together about to lose him the alliance with the Frays and to make sure Tyrion get's Winterfell, and he was already conspiring with Roose at the time and I believe even without the red wedding they would have found another way to kill Robb, so the fact that Tywin is the reason Roose and Walder even want to betray Robb is enough to say he orchestrated it. "Which Stark loyalists would bend the knee" they wouldn't have a choice and if Tywins plan of attacking at thier weakest they would literally be destroyed if they fought back, the Lannister's combined with the Tyrrell's have 90 000 man in King's Landing alone. Tywin does not believe in honour or any type of morality like he told Wayman Manderly they should bend the knee or end up like the rain's of castemere. Tywin isn't a poor Judge of character he just wants things to go his way all the time, his description of characters like Roose Bolton, Tyrion, Oberyn, Robb, Joffrey and Doran are extremely accurate. I mean I just read the chapter and it's not like Tywin is demanding for Jamie to marry Mageery he offered it as a suggestion, if Mace Tyrell refused he wouldn't he would probably understand same way he reacted when they refused the Cersei and Willa's I'd he's more opportunistic than having a inferiority complex because if he did he would find Mace denying his proposal as an insult

Already. But when he managed to put his daughter on the throne, things went terribly wrong. And in fact, as Ultron would say, Tywin confuses peace with quiet.

Super power move

Exact. And this is because that lord was not only afraid of him, but he TRUSTED him. He trusted that Tywin had the resources and the mind to carry out his threat to him, and he trusted that he would leave him alone if he submitted. What do you think he would have done if he thought Tywin would still kill him and his entire family even if he surrendered?

Tywin's absolute mistreatement of Tyrion, purely for blaming the sad misfortune of Joanna dying during Tyrion's birth, and the 'little Lion's misformed body made Tywin blínd to Tyrion's actual potential and intelligence? Tyrion knéw he wouldnt ever be a great fighter like Jaime, and as 2nd Son, also not lord of Casterly Rock, thus Tyrion realized he had to be good at other things: Politics, reading people and understanding the world! Tyrion knew he always had a general disadvantage, thus Tyrion read, and learned to creáte himself an advantage towards those who héld that general advantage: Knowledge, to expand his intelligence! Tyrion, at a fairly young age, did an excellent job as Acting Hand, in Tywin's absense.. yet instead of realizing Tyrion's value, Tywin picked on the one slight he could pin on Tyrion: 'he brought a whore into the Tower of the Hand"... Not how Tyrion just danced around the Small Counsil and held them in an Iron Grasp, not his brílliant planning in defending the Capitol against Stannis...gréat features!! No that insignificant slight about f*cking a whore... A meaningless blame vs the great achievements Tyrion made, when 'being thrown before the lions' in King's Landing's politics. Even if Tyrion hadent brought Shay, or even laid with a single woman in his time as Acting Hand, Tywin would have found sómething to slight and blame Tyrion of, isntead of actually giving him praise.... Tywin's mockery to Tyrion, after the battle of 'jugglers and singers need applause'....Tyrion didnt care for applause or praise from the commoners: 'a Lion doesnt concern himself with the opinion of the sheep'.. No Tyrion had expected a bit more respect or reckognition from the person that mattered to him: his Father, Tywin! Actually the one man that mattered MOST in Westeros! Tywin didnt give Tyrion any credit at all... yet without Tyrion...any other 'acting Hand', would it have been Tywin's brother Kevan, or his son Jaime: neither would have come up with that Wildfire-bombboat...From all the 'capable rulers' in the Westerlands, none could measure up against Tywin...except one: Tyrion! That was Tywins gréatest mistake

@@thegreenreaper6660 you described it perfectly. Tyrion was completely screwed over by almost everyone, but most of all his own father. This did ultimately cause Tywin's ultimate downfall - causing the most feared man in Westeros to die a most humiliating death on a toilet.

Well, Tywin while really ruthless he actually treat anyone who serve him graciously and reward them for their contribution, he also not sadistic who will kill anyone who fail at their mission or not meet his standard. The reason why he can make his house strong (trusted by many Lords) and prosperous. Even also made the Westeros prosperous and reach the golden age when he become the Hand of the King. The issue with Tywin is, just don't be his enemy or stand on his way, and he also a bad a father for their children basically the first step of his house destruction.

And then they betrayed the Starks. "Casterly Rock does not suffer betrayals, not since Tywin Lannister was old enough to go to war."

@@georgeprchal3924Mainly the Boltons, Ryswells, part Umbers and part Karstarks Rest of them are still loyal to the Starks and absolutely hate the Boltons for betraying them

@@ilphi08 Bolton it's basically a rival house in the north for Stark for a many centuries before GoT. They basically second powerful house after Stark, and only follow Stark when it's safer options. But since Stark become weak the longer war progress. Then yes they very likely will take the chance to take over Stark position.

@@Ilyas-ty6cy My point was, Most of the northern lords besides the boltons love the starks not because the starks were the most powerful house But the same can be said about the lannisters Lords in the westerlands obey Tywin not because they love the lannisters, it was because the lannisters were the most powerful and the most ruthless house But if there comes a day, when the lannisters show weakness and no longer as powerful, westerlands would react opposite to the northern lords Westerlands lords are as loyal to house lannister as the degree they are powerful

Too bad he was immature, apathetic, superficial, and never thought about the unexpected and long-term consequences of his actions.

@@lpallad1 he did, thats why he forged alliances and spared those who rebelled in the war of the 5 kings. His untimely death lead to cersei taking power which drove everything to shit, but tywin would never have allowed such an idiot to take control. He knew what he had in jaime and kevan, if jaime had taken over as the head of house lannister house lannister would have continued it's legacy. A legacy that never wouldve been restored if it wasnt for tywin

@@dawn1424 Too bad that if Cersei took control and didn't know what to do it was Tywin's fault because he didn't raise her better (since the only thing he taught her is that since she is a Lannister she is above any law and all non-Lannisters are just inferior beings to be crushed under her foot). Because Tywin never taught his family to get along without him. And Tywin died as a result of something he did. And what actually happened is that his death left his family at the mercy of the consequences of his actions. After all, whose fault is it that Dorne hates the Lannisters? Whose fault is it that the North and the Riverlands hate the Lannisters? Then it was he who filled the court with traitors, turncoats, and people who bowed to him with gnashed teeth. What he actually did was put his family in the spotlight, but without him they got burned. To put his family on the throne he filled it with enemies who did not hesitate to take advantage of his death to take revenge for the suffering he inflicted on them, and some of them would have moved even if he had still been alive. What the Purple Wedding represents is in fact the moment of maximum power of the Lannisters before life and Karma begin to take the toll for all the dishonest and immoral things they have done to get there.

Big fan of Tywin here. He is the most realistic “bad guy” ever portrayed in media. His own house was on the brink of collapse because of his father but he saved it and Post Targaryen overthrow returned the realm to peace as well so it’s not like he’s even a bad ruler. Can be a huge asshole but generally does well for everyone close to him (except Tyrion lol)

I find ironic everything he achieved in his long life is going to be quickly ruined by his 3 children

​@@MiguelLopez-yc2rhThe three children that HE failed to raise.

Too bad he neglected his kids so bad their daddy issues drive all he did to ruin.

@@TheDONing1 Which means his biggest failure will ruin all his great achievements. Karma is a bitch

1 A strong king wouldn't have leashed Tywin a strong king would realize his wisdom and cunning to maintain peace and to better the realm like the 20 years he caused during Aerys reign instead of being jealous why not utilize your servents strengths? People don't realize every atrocities Tywin made he was never the aggressor it was always his enemies or family. 3 It was because of Tywin Cersei became queen his decision to kill the Targaryan children for Robert made them royalty. He did perfectly set his house up for failure for a guy that pragmatic and smart you would think he'd be smart enough to realize he won't be alive forever and actually focus on the people that will carry on his legacy 😂

@@sylvesterlukoto1437 Already. Because Tywin never thought about the contingencies and long-term consequences of his actions. And he filled his house with enemies who did not hesitate to take advantage of his death. Under Tywin's policies men like Gregor Clegane, Walder Frey and Roose Bolton always go unpunished.

I’d say he set his house up to succeed but his kids botched it

@@bigpictureguys8415 And it also happened because he has always been a terrible father. And then he never knew how to understand the difference between fear and hate.

This is my perspective of his character too a man who was worried too much on perseption rather than his actual family and if you look at his entire life this has been biting him for years.Tywin didn't care about his actual family at all he only cared about legacy so he uses them as pawns and wants them to be like him without any emotional attachments. But as soon as he dies we see his family's legacy was all a lie, it was his legacy that was good not the family's everyone feared and respected him not his family. Though he did leave his family in a relatively safe spot before he died they where not capable enough to hold it because of him. The Targaryens ruled with fear and formed a dynasty because they had dragons to keep that fear while the Lannister have that fear and respect because of Tywins competence as a lord something he failed to mold in his children due to his tyrannical way of raising them.

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk But the Targaryens continued to reign for many years even after losing the dragons. And this is because they were both feared and loved. The Lannisters with Tywin were only feared, but they were also hated. This is why their decline has been so rapid. Tywin may have brought the Lannisters to power, but at the same time he planted the seeds of their downfall.

Agreed. To write such a character in a script is one thing. But the way Charles Dance brought that character to life, in such an astonishing way; Every single scene he was in, he OWNED it! HE Was the centerpoint, évery single thing went EXACTLY as Tywin Lannister wanted, and the whole manner of how Charles Dance portrayed thát intimidating authority, was just a pure masterclass! From the introduction: skinning a Stag(wonderful symbolism!), or climbing the steps to the Iron Throne, and make that little shit of a Goffrey, crawl away in that chair out of FEAR for Tywin, to literally 'sending the most powerful man in Westeros, to bed without his supper'... Even the viewers would get a bit intimidated by such a character... You would start to háte Tywin for being such a ruthless man, but you understood his motives and respected it! To portray such a huge character, in such a way is just an enormous skill!

@@thegreenreaper6660 Technically not everything went the way Tywin wanted, because he didn't want Sansa to escape, for Tyrion to kill him, and for what he created to end with his death. He wanted the Lannister rule to last for centuries, but he failed in this regard.

I think that has to do with them having capable children while Tywin keeps getting dragged into Unwin able conflicts by his children where he is forced to employ these cruel things.

​@@MphoLukoto-lx9jkIf Joanna had lived the Lannister kids would have 200 iq each. But that's exactly why she had to die

@@arunakoyanbron8927 exactly the seeds of house Lannister's doom was right after she died, not only did Tywin become cold and emotionless towards his family according to Genna, Cersei and Gerion, it also left the Lannister children without a mother for emotional and personal support. This is made pretty obvious when Jaime reveals that Joana found out and tried to stop thier incestuous relationship, imagine if she was alive how many things could have been prevented. No mother would allow thier kids hating each other imagine the Lannister's working together as the Tyrells do Cersei's ruthlessness and dedication to family, Tyrions political cunning and Jaime's battle talent would made for a great generation for house Lannister.

@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Yeah. The mistakes Tywin made were being a terrible father and not knowing the difference between fear and hate. This ruin the Lannister.

Why not??

@@ValaritasYT you make Tyrion sound like such a problem, but then don't explain why Tywin never killed him. It's not like he couldn't afford it.

It's mostly from Tywin's perspective + he already said it in the show why he didn't kill him. @HisameArtwork

But at the same time it is the cause of your downfall, because the truth is that Tywin did many dishonest and immoral things to bring the Lannisters to power, never thinking about the long-term consequences or the risks he faced if something went wrong. And in fact the defeat of the Lannisters is the definitive consequence of his actions, because he put his family in the spotlight, but without him they got burned. Because he thought so much about the family's political position that he ignored any other needs and wants of the family.

@@lpallad1 But there was small chance of Tyrion passing by Tywin's privy that night. If it wasn't for that, Tyrion would have been dead and Tywin a big boss kicking asses around

@@pushista9322 That was Karma, and his death was a consequence of what he did. And anyway there are enemies who would have moved anyway, even if Tywin had been alive, and his death was just an unexpected stroke of luck for them.

@@lpallad1 GRRM doesn't have the concept of karma in his books.

@@pushista9322 I would say yes. After all, Joffrey died after everything he did, and having deluded himself into thinking he was invincible and unpunished. Then Martin himself said that actions have consequences, regardless of whether the people who perform them are good or bad.

Tywin is pretty much Princess Leia's warning of, "The together you grip the more people slip through your fingers" come to life. Every thing he did worked SHORT-TERM. In the end, he died on the shitter, leaving behind two incestuous half-wits and a resentful son as his legacy. He burned every bridge he had so he could build a house on sand.

@@randomcenturion7264 Real. This is because Tywin was a terrible father who raised his children poorly, was immature, apathetic and superficial, never thought about the long-term consequences of what he did, and thought so much about the family's political position that he ignored any other needs. He always underestimated the hatred and resentment of his enemies and the gravity and horror of what he did. And in fact the Purple Wedding represents the moment of maximum power of the Lannisters before life and karma begin to take the toll for everything they have done.

Hopefully none of those things happen in the books.

@@georgeprchal3924 Well Cersei at the least is absolutely dying. Though I'm betting my money on all three of them biting it.

@@bookswithike3256 hopefully Jaime realizes his dreams and strangles her.

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Technically he is partly responsible for what happened after his death. it's his fault that the north hated the south after the red wedding, it's his fault that Dorne hated the Lannisters, and he, by putting his family on the throne, made them a target of many enemies, precisely because it was also Tywin who filled the court with traitors, turncoats, and people who bowing to him with gnashin teeth. His victory was only an appearance, and what he had created had foundations too weak to last. As Ultron say, Tywin confusing peace with quiet.

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If he had killed Tyrion as an infant the Lannisters would have lost the Battle of the Blackwater. having always been cruel to him and not recognizing his merits or helping him develop his potential was his fatal mistake. And then Tywin did other things wrong, having acted with apathy, superficiality, and not thinking about the unexpected and long-term consequences of his actions.

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You don't have to imagine. He practically did for 3 whole seasons. Joffrey wasn't really the one in control, certainly not Tommen, only after Tywin died.

Tywin: With Stannis as hand... Tyrion: How did I end up as Master of Coin again?!

bountiful years of unparalleled prosperity and stability, yeah, a sight to behold.

Not always. After all, Spartacus and Guy Fawkes lost, but history still remembers them as heroes fighting a corrupt system, not as criminals. And that saying doesn't even apply because Tywin's give positions of power to corrupt, evil, dishonest, and untrustworthy men.

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u should never have childrean i am serious.

@@aaad3552neither should you lol you can’t even spell children correctly

No instead. If he had killed Tyrion, he would not have won the Battle of the Blackwater. His mistake was that he should have treated him with love and respect and helped him realize his potential.

You should not. Tywin wouldn't really bring peace and justice. He would establish a fascist and totalitarian regime where his family is in control of everything, where any abuse of power goes unpunished, and where freedom is just an illusion.

True, if Tytos exaggerated in one direction Tywin instead exaggerated in the other. And it is Tywin's fault that the crown lost jurisdiction of the north precisely because with the Red Wedding he created an emotional divide between the north and the south that can never be healed.

But Tywin precisely gave positions of power to corrupt and unreliable men, and induced in the people of the north a total and absolute distrust and hatred towards the people of the south, creating a completely irremediable emotional division between the north and the south. And it was he who antagonized the only kingdom the Targaryens failed to conquer.

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@@ValaritasYT Ah apologies I see it so much a jumped the gun

@@ValaritasYT However, Machiavelli also said that one can be feared even without being hated, that there is a difference between being feared and being hated, and that a true prince must not make himself hated. Tywin on the other hand has make accumulate a lot of hate under the rug with some of his actions, hate that it exploded with his death.

No. Tywin simply thinks that everything that is immoral, unfair, and corrupt about society are universal rules of life. And the Starks fell into Walder Frey's trap only because they gave him limits that he didn't have. And for Tywin the Red Wedding was the first option, which he allowed because it was easier to win that way. He doesn't care how evil the Freys and Boltons are, because to him one house is as good as another in the domain. The Starks have suffered the worst betrayals, but at the same time those who don't betray them are very loyal in an extreme way.

@@lpallad1 everyone’s loyal until they are not. There are no people like the freys or Boltons in the westerlands .

@@kb4903 Yet there are many in the North who are conspiring to defeat the Boltons and restore the Starks to the throne.

@@lpallad1 yeah well let’s see it happen first.

@@kb4903 Jojen Reed also said that he dreamed that the wolves will return, and his dreams are prophecies. So the Starks will definitely be able to retake the north.