or just generate the list at startuo

I can confirm this. When you use the infinite ammo command, the upper part of the AK's T-spray-pattern just loops from left to right and back, when you fire more shots than intended.

I think this might be it, Makes sense!

Funny enough, this is literally how I've impelemented it in the game I'm working on. I find the least intuitive part with spray patterns in general is when/how fast the 'heat' goes down. I implemented a delay after the last shot before it start going down, as well as a rate in heat/second, but I feel like it's hard to balance this especially for semi auto guns.

interesting, my gueswould have been set the first 20/30 shots manually after that just ctrl+c, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v, ctrl+v,... for the rest

That or they made a curve in a different program that could generate the coordinates, then copy and paste into the engine.

@@AnonOmis1000 No, thats unideal to do. All you need to do is to set a counter whichs value increases by every bullet you shoot and as this value has reached it's max, the pattern will have another behavior. There is no need to define every single bullet for every single gun.

Doesn’t counter strike recoil work by making the second bullet go two bullets up from the last

@@wilville3752 no

@@wilville3752 the bullets go left an right too, so no

they should really give the m249 some love too because it probably gets used less than the zeus

have you tried rushing in with the gun on already? Like it has 450 bullets, you can afford "warming it up" for it to be on the laser mode

@@watagapitusberry7197 yeah I thought the same because there’s people who pre fire which would be an advantage using this gun cause you run in already warmed All you have to do is aim

@@noi8017 the problem of this method is that while shooting your movement speed is drastically reduced and you become a sitting duck 🦆

@@ReneHoffmann194 yeah thats why people prone crouch and jump like crazy

It used to have a standard spray pattern before the rework though, so I wonder if they had to hard code all that or not. Sounds pretty awful if so lol

The laser pointer? I knew there was a reason I like the Negev so much

Or they just said fuck it Lets make the AWP get a run for it's money

@@abstractbeholdings1030 because there is only one accurate gun in CSGO

@@aidan-mx2fy no bitches?

Jamming isn't really a thing in modern designs. Cook offs are. Closed bolt designs can have rounds ignite from the heat of the chamber.

Machineguns usually have quickchange barrels to replace "stressed out"barrels.

or in extreme cases such as MGs, the chamber gets so hot it "Cooks-off" rounds, gets the brass cartridge so hot that it goes off without ever pulling the trigger. Which is super bad because it could then cause the gun to run away and just start spraying without you even touching it

@@bboygmoney It actually is a thing, its just rare because most ammo is so good anymore and guns have much higher standards now, but I have had AR-15s after alot of shooting with some cheap steel ammo (yay poor life) try to cycle the bolt too fast because of slighter overpressure due to the heat build up, and straight up jam a round at like a 60 degree angle upwards and it was a pain in the ass to remove because it almost wedged the mag in place. Please don't mag dump guys, you wont hit anything and you'll just stress the poor gun. Don't be me and my friends on that poor Saturday where my friend's AK ran away on him.

@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 Not all machine guns, usually just LMGs and maybe mounted MMGs/HMGs. Assault rifles and SMGs don't usually have quick change barrels. Although some assault rifles do, like the AUG.

That is a good videogame-way of doing recoil too, where the bullets actually go where the crosshair is. But what is no nice about csgo's way of doing recoil, is while the spray do go outside the crosshair, you can actually see the bullets outside of the crosshair going towards where they are actually hitting, so you can use that as sort of a reference to where the spray pattern is going. Then you just have to learn to move your aim in the opposite direction of those bullets compared to the actual crosshair. Still, its still a preference thing, and i often see people misunderstand why i am dragging my aim into the ground when shooting at people, and still getting headshots. Probably makes csgo a bit harder to pick up as a new player used to more conventional recoil mechanics.

@@jaffa999 unless you play with a silenced weapon, as they dont leave tracers. And if you compensate for the recoil by looking at your tracers your muscle memory probably alredy knows how to control recoil the hahahah

Or like in Overwatch, where you can decide on those characters settings. "Recoil compensation" can be turned on or off depending on if you like the feedback of the camera movement or not. Seems like a silly dev flex to prove that they CAN do it (what else do you do with your time when you don't put out anything new but skins for literally 2 years? but I digress) rather than a design decision.

i am not sure if you meant what i think you did, but man, now i gotta reinstall HL just for some TS gameplay xd

Rainbow Six Siege also did the same, makes it way easier to control the recoil

Interesting, I knew r6 had spray patterns for hip firing but I had no idea it worked like that

How would you define “being a better gun man” other than memorizing recoil patterns?

@@rhetthenderson5993 because irl guns dont have super tight knit recoil patters like they do in vgames. Rather than relying on recoil patterns you're forced to learn to compensate but also still rely heavily on your own aim rather than using a pattern for a guideline.

@@rhetthenderson5993 in most fpses, it typically involves putting your crosshairs on the enemy and clicking on them from within your gun's effective range. then, if you're playing a game that has spread bloom caused by firing full-auto or firing while moving, you also factor that into your movement and fire pattern so the aforementioned bloom doesn't shrink your effective range too much by doing this, you can reliably fill your enemies with bullets even in games that have completely random bullet spread, because it does not particularly matter if the spread is random if all possible random values result in you hitting what you're aiming for anyway. hell, even if not _every_ roll of the dice results in the same exact thing, you can still aim in such a way that i.e. your 1% chance to miss a headshot ends up still landing a bodyshot anyway, so even if you get supremely unlucky, your bullet still lands and you've still put yourself in an advantageous position hell, even if that 1% is a chance to miss entirely, you can still play around that by, say, engaging your enemies from behind so that a single missed shot isn't likely to matter anyway, as they still have to _process_ the fact that they were just shot at, figure out the general direction it came from, turn around, perceive your character model, then potentially alter their movement pattern or swap weapons before they can even begin to fire back. 'course, that's plenty of time for them if you're not actually at the proper range to spray at them ( or, y'know, you're not even actually _pointing the gun at them_ ) and that 1% chance is really more like a 75% chance, so it doesn't typically compensate for not actually knowing your gun by feel unless the people you're shooting at are just as ill-suited to the situation as you are

@@rhetthenderson5993 Its more competitive. People can focus on actual strategies, playing in their effective ranges, and outplaying their opponent with realistic recoil rather than the advantage going to someone who memorizes an arbitrary recoil pattern.

My brother in Christ quake

Quake is more like cod in that manner

I don't think I've met anyone who didn't respect the innovation made possible by CS. Other than people who have no/little interest in video games.

@@ibeatmywifeandkids9084 I love Quake. Quake innovated a whole lot and I wish it got popular again in earnest. But idk why you're bringing up Quake in a video about how Counter-Strike handles something that isn't a thing in Quake at all.

@@b3gabriel66 original quake code can still be found in all source games, so half life, cs, tf2 and others

rip dirty bomb :(

@@dirky1185 It's kind of sad that Dirty Bomb was abandoned after release, but I still have played it yesterday. So it's not entirely dead yet. What's also nice is that the game is past constantly wanting you to spend money on it.

I miss DB too

@@LinxESP As I said, you don't have to. Play it while that's still possible!

Halo Reach has the same recoil mechanics, which the halo community seems to hate with a passion

Yeah, I assume you're correct, since if I recall correctly the spray patterns used to be random until Valve decided to make them deterministic because players complained about the randomness, so it makes sense that they simply stuck to a fixed seed instead.

It’s pretty much like battlefield, except PS2 has a cap on horizontal recoil for each weapon.

This is just another way of saying what the video says at 2:20-2:40

​@@CamembertDave actually, it is more complicated than that: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/a5iHeY-Yp6Zjy6s.html

Planetside also has guns with wildly different and unique spread patterns, like an lmg with a large cone of fire that narrows the longer you fire, or another that has a very small cone of fire with high but predictable recoil

It’s probably much more realistic, tho, right?

​@@dominicstocker5144 looking at the graphics of the game, i don't think the devs went for a realistic approach anyways

@@dominicstocker5144 having realism isn't always a good thing in video game development

@@s1ndrome117 yeah, but it’s not like it doesn’t make sense to make the recoil random, just because the gameplay is different doesn’t mean it’s worse

Just as a reminder since it likely explains why they made that choice: older CS titles actually had somewhat random recoil, well more a frequency value that controls how often it randomly switches left/right, so it's in line with older CS if i recall valorant's correctly, been a while since I've played but that's around how it felt last I did.

The interesting thing is that negative recoil actually exists IRL, mostly in recoilless rifles like the Carl Gustav. The explosive charge is at the back and just pushes against air, so you get the forward force from all that extra air, plus the friction from the round traveling down the barrel, resulting in forward recoil. Still not nearly as much recoil as it would be if you fired from a breech, but noticeable. I suppose you could also get forward recoil from a weapon with too much recoil compensation, most likely from using 2 recoil compensating systems on the same gun.

I've often found that to be more annoying than it should be, especially if you need to stand in a very particular position to shoot. I'd suggest have the recoil manifest as the movement in direction of firing being SLOWED which can feel like you're fighting a huge force without harming your ability to achieve the game objectives. But when standing still I think you need to depend on animation, for the "shooting while not moving" the shooting animation should show them bracing their legs and leaning far into the direction of firing. Because being knocked back by recoil when standing still doesn't really feel like there's a lot of recoil, instead it just feels like you're slipping around on ice.

Reminds me of Killing Floor 2, the Lunar map. Using a hunting shotgun (a double barrel) on earth gives a small, but noticable, backwards movement. It was less noticable if you were moving while on the ground, and more if you jumped. But on Moon Base, even with feet planted and moving forward, you'd get kicked like 2 feet backwards. In the air you go like 10. Loved using that to quickly avoid clusters of Zeds.

Yeah, this was my immediate thought on creating a fixed spray pattern. Just find a seed you like and go ahead with that. If you don't want to cache you can also XOR the seed and heat value together, or do other stuff like that to generate seeds on the fly, but it is most likely more efficient to cache it unless your heat value goes into the thousands or millions.

I think its fully randomized on first 15

The Negev used to have a predictable 150 round spray pattern, the M249 still has a 100 round pattern.

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*was* :/

I love battlefield way of doing recoil and i hate spray patterns personally. I would like if spray patterns stopped to exist completely. It is pain in the ass mechanic which creates unnecessary barrier for entry for every fucking FPS with patterns you play because every one of them has different patterns and it is pain to learn it.

@@likilike501 It also makes some guns more broken than others just by certain patterns being easier to maintain

@@likilike501 its not unnecessary you said it yourself its there so you learn and master it thats the fun and competitive part.

@@noobguy9973 The thing is that me finding out that i need to learn another f-ing spray pattern is instant quit moment. I just do not want to anymore it is not fun.

@@likilike501 thats understandable everyone has their likes and dislikes.

Well if you played on a server you were not competing or anything so of course you were never going to find out unless someone told you, that's something you only care about if you really wanted to improve and compete, you would've just figured it out lol, like everyone else in the world can figure out game mechanics not written on paper.

@@Madnot4 it would've still be nice to know something THIS important. Imagine if CoD wouldn't tell you about the sprint button.

I mean, back in 1.6 or CSS even, fixed spray patterns weren't a huge thing. They existed to a degree but not really enough to be predictable and memorable like currently in CSGO. The reason you didn't know in CSS was because it wasn't really something even to bother learning in most cases. (I know in 1.6 the M4 & AK just used a triangle pattern basically, but idk about CSS) Game sense and raw aim was way more important than learning a vague pattern that barely existed. It doesn't teach you this outright and I do agree that there could be a better system in-game to show said patterns but, it's not like its not noticeable. If you just shoot for a while you're bound to notice that your gun is following a pattern. Humans are *really* good at pattern recognition. It may not be something you even actively noticed at first but your muscles did and you would subconsciously adjust for it. Maybe not as perfectly as the person who has spent time perfecting it but enough to hit more of the bullets. If you're only tap-firing however, you probably won't even notice it and that may be a problem.

I mean, the first thing I do in a new shooter is go up to a wall and spray it to see how weapons behave, how recoil works, how much there it, if things are random etc etc.

Spoken like someone who hasn't played this game. It's incredibly satisfying to hit the recoil.

Yeah it's pretty dumb. I'm not gonna sit in an aim trainer to get decent at a game I don't even know if I like yet.

@@dankwarmouse6248 I play a game where the recoil effects the position of the gun making you know where you fired at. It is better to understand that and adjust your mouse than to randomly not hit your opponent and not knowing how you have to position your gun at.

@@door_productions4896 Tapfiring exists.

@@dankwarmouse6248 Playing games I actually like sounds better man

good point but also most spray patterns are pretty precise within the first shots which means that the deviation is more of a punishment for unskilled play that relies on spraying.

@@ugabuga2586 That's why it requires time to practice and master. You don't want to make it easy.

we get it you can't aim

@@krypton091 ill smoke you in any first person shooter scrub. Csgo is less about aiming and more about memorizing arbitrary recoil patterns weeb