Android Authority has some more info about the Snapdragon X lineup including details of an 8-core version, some thermal numbers, and a breakdown of the benchmarking data for each chip! www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-x-models-3429369/

I can't wait for framework company to start providing ARM modules

I also find it interesting that Qualcomm held a GDC conference to tell game developers how to port their games to ARM64. That shows confidence.

What im afraid is that the transistion to ARM will kill the openness of the PC space. I hope I might be wrong. But I want to see laptops with upgradable ram and access to the uefi/bios like we have now. Not like the tablets/phones we have that everything is locked down. And down the line I want modular ARM cpus like we have with x86 for desktops. I want nothing to change from the current PC implementation. But im worried...

Also hopefully in mini PCs!

Skeptical until the device is released and hands on are given to reviewers without embargo, hand picked benchmarks by manufacturers aren't worth much as it's very cherry picked under perfect conditions.

This called Cherry picking numbers, where is M3 in power charts in snapdragon slides.

Thank you for summarizing their products. Do we have benchmarks for how 70B parameter llms run on these chips yet?

Gary you always do a great job of "explaining" not touting. I can't wait to see the results when independent reviewers get their hands on these devices, hopefully these chips won't disappoint.

Thanks, Gary. Was actually waiting for your explanation.

I find it a bit strange that the Snapdragon X+ is only 10% faster in multicore than the M3 considering that the M3 has only 4 high performance cores and 4 efficiency cores where the Snapdragon has 10 high performance cores.

Hi Gary Do you think They need physical fan to cool down or it can be cooled like technology in mobile

Looking at that product lineup, they appear to be a single die, binned into different skus so they can maximize usable chips from each wafer.

Love that you are wearing one of my company tee shirts. I just picked up my nRF54 series tee shirt today at the office :)

Thanks Gary. Excellent video as usual

The benchmark scores are from the 28w configuration?

I would love to see this or some variant of it in a Steam Deck competitor. Nintendo have been using ARM for decades and theyve made some great consoles with the platform. I would love to see someone else compete with them using ARM, especially since the next switch is using old cortex-A78 based cores in its next product.

Can you explain why the igpu is faster than from the intel core ultra, they have the same tflops! Nice video 👍

Do we know how the costing these processors stack up to amd and Intel chips for similar specs

what becomes of intel and amd?

This would be good in my lenovo nano laptop. I'm not sure how useful the npu is outside of little os features though.

When it comes to portable thin laptops, I remember back in those days the reign of Intel Atom Processors. RIP

Those are some very impressive memory transfer rates they are boasting there, but I'm not aware of any information about how many memory channels these chips can access. If they want to leverage that all that AI processing power, particularly against the fat memory bus on the M3 chiplets, I would hope that they have more than a single memory channel.

Huh … must've missed it - I didn't see a comparison with the various Apple M3 processors. Especially interested in single core performance numbers. As you know, the _snappiness_ of a computer is primarily determined by the fastest single core speed as most pedestrian tasks can't be easily multithreaded - multicore comes in when running heavily multithreaded tasks like video editing, transcoding, and graphics rendering - the kind of thing creators and 3D graphics designers do. For normal users and workloads, more than four cores or so result in the remainder sitting idle soaking up power (unless the chip is smart enough to shut them off). My primary driver is still a 2020 iMac 5K with an Intel Core-i9 (10910) with 10 cores and 20 threads - and past boot up (when a ton of things are initializing simultaneously) I can tell you that unless I'm doing transcoding or something specifically designed to run multithreaded, most of those cores are sitting idle. I've found the best test of a computer's snappiness for normal consumer workloads is something like Speedometer 3.0. Anyhow, I'd wait for the machines to actually be on hand before crowing about superior performance - Qualcomm spec sheets are not the most reliable metric when it comes to performance comparisons. Qualcomm is easily the sleeziest chip maker on the market: they agreed to FRAND terms so their IP would be included in the modem standards, but turned around and charged for the modem chip, the IP on the chip, and then _a percentage of the device in the which the modem is embedded._ This means that Qualcomm gets a percentage of the RAM upgrade in my 1 TB iPhone 15 Pro Max even though they had nothing to do with the incremental cost of the RAM, simply because it contains a Qualcomm modem.

I am not too excited until I see how well they support these things and improve over the next few years.

USB4 will be added via pcie lanes i guess, but not embedded

42mb cache ist a lot on the arm sector, or it is never written down at the specs. but makes sense, as there should be a lot more space available as in smartphone housings. as windows is not my friend, the same for macos, I'm looking forward to the usage with linux. sadly arch will not work, as it is x86 only (until now). the efficiency seems to play the cards again a bit towards intel/amd. of cause the snapdragons are way more efficient, but it's easy to see, that the efficieny decreases with more cache/clocks. looking back to the last years, it seemed, that arm cpus consumed close to zero watts, where the intel/amd chips always consumed way too much. with ab boost of max 4,2 GHz for the snapdragons there's still a big gap to 5+ GHz on the intel chips. and physics tell us higher clocks result in a much much higher power consumption. time will tell, I like to see competition.

Its interesting that the trend in phone SoC is moving away from Big Little architecture while at the same time coming to laptop (minus Qualcomm, of course).

For some reason they did not include M3 in the power efficiency comparison graph

good now make a desktop version with more clock speed please.

Looking forward to SBC's like the Raspberry Pi to get this type of performance. Should be more expensive than lighter models, but cheaper than intel/AMD systems.

Personally, I only need a device for browsing and documents. Can't wait for it with long lasting battery.

I only want to know how much control over the pc I have. Can I run whatever os I want wothout arbitrary features being disabled. Can I run linux properly.

Linux support ?

This plus Linux could be the next standard for developers. Imagine a linux laptop that actually lasts ~20 hours without charging like a ARM based laptop. That would be absolutely ideal.

Does anyone know if RAM is integrated on the chip (as in the M3) or external with the possibility to upgrade after buying a PC?

Will all Windows apps be rewritten for ARM? As currently all apps are x86 coded. How will these apps work?

If we can get a PC that has the reliability of phones that don't break every month, I would be greatful to Snapdragon forever. I'm fascinated that my phone rarely is turned off, always on, charge when lowbattery, doesn't crash. Can use anytime, super reliable. My PC sometimes blue screens, always has some sore of issues or errors with browsers, applications and such. It's tiring to have this old platform and a new one is desperately needed!

I'm glad to see more powerfulo and efficient ARM platforms start to come out for general-purpose computing. We'll see how actual hands-on performance looks but, honestly, even if they only turnout to be at parity with Apple Silicon in the real world, it's a huge and welcome step forward. Now if Microsoft's next go at Windows ARM is more serious and comprehensive than their last... 🤔

Punny that Qualcomm need to compare the xPlus multiSuper version against the M3 Vanilla... pears vs. apples I am absolutely happy that Qualcomm got this achieved. I just don't like the marketing BS.

This is gonna be great, maybe I´ll even be buying a Windows laptop in the future 😃 Fab video as usual 👍

It is wonderful to see both ARM and Qualcomm bring more choice to consumers. Competition is the best thing when it comes to price!!! China is not far behind.

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How can you compare a 10 core to a 8 core and 4 of the are efficacy cores!

The M3 still rules by far. 4 performance cores doing the same as 10 on the SD being far more power efficient. Not even stealing through Nubia Qualcomm is delivering something comparable. What a disaster 😂

I await third party benchmarks and compatibility reports, including for gaming. If they can be competitive and reliably compatible before Windows 10 support ends (and thus Windows support for my 6th gen Intel CPU ends), they could make their way into a Windows 11 build in place of the latest Intel or AMD chip of the time.

We will have to see once real products come out. But comparing the multi-threaded performance of an M3 with only 4 P cores (+4 E) vs 10 and 12 P cores is a bit concerning for Qualcomm. Will be interesting to see the TDP given they didn't compare M3 on power usage. For M3 Performance cores: 4.05 GHz max, Efficiency cores: 2.75 GHz.

Thx Gary! Not surprising, PC is destined to move to Arm chips starting with laptops first. Arm is already a behemoth and will become even more powerful in the future until new design comes to replace it. About X-Elite it's awesome to see this progress forward, however I am afraid Windows environment will tank this excellent SoC so much that it will be always a loser in comparison to Apple's ultra efficient and incredibly well optimized/closed ecosystem. Still it's an excellent development for the PC so thumbs up for that!👍

The guys developing the Qualcomm chip are the top people from Apple. How many engineers did these guys take with them when they formed Nuvia. They worked with these engineers and knew who were the best and brightest. I won’t be surprised if Qualcomm does much better on benchmarks. The problem Qualcomm has is most people that buy Apple don’t care about benchmarks.

They chose M3 as the opponent for the speed graph, but they conveniently forgot about it on the power consumption graph. Well, similar to Apple's presentations, the art of cherry picking. Doesn't matter, though. The s/w will be the judge of the race, as always. The best processor is nothing without a good s/w to back it up. The ball is in Microsoft and Linux side now.

Now where is the Elite X Plus with 16 Cores ??? :)

Wait, isn't amds latest is 8945 series? How could they compare it with the latest Intel but not the latest AMD offerings?

can I actually buy a laptop with one of these in it, now? I mean, is it on the market, or is it more "coming soon"? Because the M3 has now been around for over 6 months.

Where and when can I buy it?

This is exciting

Those Nuvia guys really screwed Apple over. I'm surprised Apple dropped their lawsuit againt them. But ultimately, having super powerful ARM CPUs from more companies is good for everyone. Looking forward to some really nice Linux ARM laptops that don't rely on reverse engineering Apple Silicon.

Theres no word on linux support yet, right?

I want to see them in Mini PC's.

This is the way to go for mainstream laptop users and compete against the more expensive Macs. Slim form factor, fanless, low heat, loooong battery life.

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Needs upgradeable ram and ssd and dedicated gpu capatibility.

Hm, I expect an 8-core X SoC coming soon. Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

It’s not about the raw performance… it’s the level of integration between the OS and the hardware made all by one single company… it’s all bells and whistles just like in the android vs iPhone scenario where sure there are more powefull android with better hardware but yet most apps simply are better in iOS

Do arm chips mean soldiered on ram and SSDs and so we lose the ability to upgrade because if that is the case that will suck.

Having just returned a 185U based laptop I can safely say that it’s going to be Windows that lets down these snapdragon CPU’s unfortunately. Such a shame as the windows market has some ridiculously good displays this year

I read that Qualcomm is consistently lying about those benchmarks and they did not allow others test those machines so I don't believe anything until we get independent reviews.

Release a product! Reviewers and consumers are waiting.

Where is Linux support for this chip?

Where can I buy it? With what kind of ecosystem? What I buy a Mac I have get Apple’s core PC product, not just a niche.

Finally, a Windows laptop noiseless, Snapdragon X Elite will be the CPU for laptop in 2024.

This means that there's more competition on the market. Intel and AMD Must be vigilant as well as Apple. 😎💯💪🏿👍🏿

Where are the laptops with X chips?

Shouldn’t it be compared to the Pro and Max chips?

....OK, so is this the end of x86?

No DX 11 support?! Fail.

Thank you!

Less announcing, more availability please. So much vaporware in the tech world right now.

So 10% faster than an M3 with 4 performance cores?

The numbers look good and that is M$'s OS so, it will be faster in pretty much any Unix OS. My problems are: 1) If the numbers are real. 2) If they will work on FreeBSD which I'm planning to "migrate". 3) If there is a trap (and no, I'm not thinking of the software support as any software I use support ARM64).

Looks promising I'm waiting to see what China brings to the market I've heard they are working on RISC-V probably won't be on Windows though. But Windows is starting to show its age. Linux probably is the only safe option for companies other than American businesses these days. Since NSA has placed so many backdoors into Microsoft, Apple and Android products.

for me, i find the idea of arm in a computer quite stupid cause microsoft tried that in 2012 and failed. also what about app compatibility. do all devs need to switch to arm now

This is a good showing by Qualcomm, but there’s still no answer to Max and Ultra variants.

*Wow great stuff from Qualcomm!*

another qualcomm shrill. It’s not even comparable to an M3. It’s got 10 performance cores and qualcomm are not releasing all the benchmarks with M3 comparisons just a multicore single benchmark. That says a lot. Get a grip it’s at least three years behind and we don’t even have the full non qualcomm benchmarks. It’s great to see competition but really?

I need a Linux laptop with these chips

Would love to see this processor in a tablet

Please come to mini pc. Please. Heaven forbid someone made a mini pc before this with SD.

X Plus is as fast as core i3 gen 4

I guess, Apple will have a few years lead in this field, but I can live with that. A better price, better upgradeability and Linux support make up for it.

Qualcomm: X gona give it to you Me waiting a year later 😴

Let’s go Windows (Microsoft)… We need Windows support for a variety of ARM processors; including the Apple M-Series!!!

Are Intel and AMD now dinosaurs?

Now Windows needs to get better on Arm

Snapdragon X+ is dead on arrival for mac users. It has TEN big cores vs 4 big cores + 4 little on the M3. X+ has 42mb of cache vs 20mb on the M3. X+ has a TDP of 28w (actual power is probably higher) vs a verified 20w consumption for M3. If I'm counting correctly, that's 2.5x the big cores, 2x the cache, and around 50% higher TDP to achieve 10% higher performance. On the bright side, it probably can beat out Intel and AMD in efficiency.

Worlds most OP Android gaming console

Mobile CPU catching up to desktop cpu. What a world we live in

soldered RAM.... 😒 That's a no from me. I want a PC I can upgrade myself after purchase to save money. To hell with ARM PCs.

without more detailed metrics, this is just marketing bullshit

These are cherry-picked numbers. We need to understand that most workflows on the market they will be in, i.e., ultrabooks, will be using something other than 12-core at once maxed out! They are meaningless and marketing spiels. Where are the single-core benchmarks that will matter far more, as it is likely that most processes we use MB Airs/ultrabooks for probably never use more than four performance cores? So, for this demographic user base, the M3 will be better due to the single-core advantage, as each of the four performance cores will be faster than four of the X Elite performance cores. For the few tasks needing more than four performance cores, the X Elite will start to catch up but probably will only surpass once it nears the 12th core, and by then, efficiency will be out of the window due to diminishing returns and possible thermal ceilings. That is without Apple's 3-4 years of app optimisations and macOS being hotwired for hardware and software integration. I am glad we finally have a competitor for ARM-based workflows, but I wonder if the X Elite, let alone the X Plus, will be anything above the norm. We may need version 2 or 3, especially as the M4 is due in Q4/2024. Before we even look at the M3 Pro and M3 Max! The latter has no Snapdragon even close to it.

If Snapdragon Laptops launching a week later comes with similar pricing as M series laptops then it is a big NO NO for Windows ARM based laptops. Why? It is not about how good chip you have it all boils down to how well built the laptop is and how well it can emulate x86 based apps. One dumb company called Lenovo did make laptops pricing similar as M series laptop way back with 8cx series chip and guess what it neither had built quality or hardware features like Macbook neither it had good x86 emulation it just had RISC processor which was supposed to have good battery backup than CISC processor. That's it. So, guys beware before getting to RISC bandwagon until price gets reasonable. Even first M series chip macbook was way lower price since they know there are no any apps that are compatible yet despite they had good x86 emulation and leading hardware specs. Current slogan of these Windows based laptop manufacturer is 'RISC laptops are way efficient so we deserve macboook level pricing'. BRUH!