GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE, GeForce Premium Worth It?
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:34 - Ad Spot
01:19 - GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE
01:47 - Test System
02:02 - Rainbow Six Siege
02:21 - Counter-Strike 2
02:47 - Helldivers 2
03:14 - Starfield
03:34 - Call of Duty Warzone
04:15 - Fortnite
05:00 - Remnant II
05:41 - Horizon Forbidden West
06:27 - The Last of Us Part I
06:58 - Baldur's Gate 3
07:33 - Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
08:09 - Assassin's Creed Mirage
08:35 - The Callisto Protocol
09:08 - Resident Evil 4
09:48 - Far Cry 6
10:14 - Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
11:27 - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
12:13 - F1 23
13:00 - Forza Motorsport
13:56 - Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
14:56 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
15:50 - Dying Light 2 Stay Human
16:35 - Hogwarts Legacy
17:16 - Average Results
21:13 - Final Thoughts
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@Hardwareunboxed 29 днів тому
Update: I found a settings error in Helldivers 2, the results are incorrect, though the margins are much the same at 1440p and 4K between these two GPUs. The correct data can now be found in the TechSpot article here, apologies for the mistake: www.techspot.com/review/2826-geforce-rtx-4070-super-vs-radeon-7900-gre/
@markolumovic2750 Місяць тому
Steve definition of vacation is weird to say the least.
@AlexHusTech Місяць тому
That's how you get to 1M subs, someone who loves his job/hobby, I need this level of dedication!
@Pedone_Rosso Місяць тому
To be fair, he didn't say how much chocolate was consumed during benchmarking... (LOL!)
@darcrequiem Місяць тому
No weirder than his definition of a shed 😄 The man built a house single-handedly and shrugs like it was no big deal. Steve is just built differently than the rest of us.
@BrandensOutdoorChannel Місяць тому
Holiday*
@Lodinn Місяць тому
Is it so uncommon though?.. Most people I know work through their vacations/holidays, maybe at like half capacity but still
@oktusprime3637 Місяць тому
It's important to remember that the 7900 GRE's memory is kind of underclocked out of the box. You can gain massive performance improvements with a memory OC, over 10% in a lot of cases.
@ChrispyNut Місяць тому
Indeed, I'm not sure that was as fully available during testing, was it? 🤔
@NeverSettleForMediocrity Місяць тому
you are delusional gains are minimal which doesn't change anything about this comparison
@keerthan7558 Місяць тому
10% isn't massive lol
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity Nvidia Shill detected.
@Axisoflords Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrityGiven the difference between the two averaged at just 1% - getting 5-10% free performance actually does change things ever so slightly. And it's still the cheaper product.
@mc_sim Місяць тому
Got GRE few days ago. Pretty happy about it. +50% gain to my 3060ti.
@PlainsSights Місяць тому
Ordered it yesterday, also to replace my 3060 TI, that 50% sounds reassurering
@walter1824 Місяць тому
@@Scott99259 is DLSS really 50% boost tho?
@mc_sim Місяць тому
@@Scott99259 i am not a marketing victim and i don't need fake performance with dlss or fsr or any other 'frame generation'. i want pure rasterization power and true native resolution quality. and don't tell me that dlss looks the same or doesn't have lag. that's physically impossible.
@Hito343 Місяць тому
Got GRE too, Hellhound amazing card probably the quietest while running cool card I've ever had so far. I don't use any upscalers they do look like shit, acceptable at 1440p tho.
@Scott99259 Місяць тому
@@walter1824 check dlss vs native comparision of hardware unboxed.
@steviebhoy25 Місяць тому
As a 3070 owner who fell for the raytracing waffle , I've enabled it in 3 games and then turned it off, raytracing seems to be for the spectator as I've never really noticed it while playing, what I did notice was the massive hit to fps and that's why it features stay off in my case. Also 8Gb VRAM is not enough now , the same way 12Gb won't be enough in 2-3 years
@dantae666 Місяць тому
Exactly im on a 2070 and can see it. im going xtx for the vram amount
@Flowave-cc5ul Місяць тому
Bro, same I have 3070 I just played guardians of the galaxy @ 4K ultra plus DLSS quality getting 75-89 fps And graphic are incredible ! Very tiny game drops doesn’t hurt my 8Vram or my enjoyment of the game highly recommended by the way
@lawyerlawyer1215 Місяць тому
You guys have gpus that can’t handle RT properly so you make massive performance sacrifices to get it and of course don’t see the win. Try games with good RT implications with a 4090 and then com e back tot ell em it’s not a night and day difference
@han1508 Місяць тому
RT not being as big as it is today is not the graphics card’s fault. Blame the developers who would rather spend resources and time in optimizing monetization and marketing.
@bal7ha2ar Місяць тому
@@lawyerlawyer1215 so i should buy a 4090 to see that the raytracing quality in most games is just as shit as with my old card but now with double the fps? uh no thanks ill just leave rt off and be happy
@aeropb Місяць тому
This seemed like a lot of work. Thanks for all you do.
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Місяць тому
Nah ... you cannot talk of work when the GPU's do all of it by themselves! =) [Kappa] Sure he had plenty of time searching for easter eggs ...
@Anukinihun Місяць тому
7900GRE in my opinion is the best high end midrange card this generation. Get last Gen Top end performance at just $550 with alot of overclocking potential and 16GB of VRAM
@zzavatski Місяць тому
Too many fell for Super branding. Regular 4070 also has 12GB and is less overpriced.
@hansolo631 Місяць тому
I have a 4080 and despite the cost, I've been happy with it the last few years. But I think AMD straight up made better cards this gen. Maybe the last one too tbh. The 6600xt, 6800, and 6800xt were monsters for their price. The 7900xtx is like 80% of the 4090 performance for what? 50% of the cost? IDK. If you guys can run raytracing at 280 hz, then fair enough. But the incoming gen I am going to have a very, very good look at whatever AMD comes out with
@sstier48 Місяць тому
@@zzavatskino.. the super is a better value ($ per fps)
@zzavatski Місяць тому
@@sstier48 When game requires more than 12GB both are the same (unplayable) performance. That's why the cheaper one is better deal.
@moc5661 Місяць тому
@@hansolo631 the 4080 hasn't even been released for a "few years" lol unless you're talking about the 3080..
@raute2687 Місяць тому
these deep dives are always super interesting to watch. Good job and thank you!
@siddhantkamble9502 Місяць тому
That was a lot of testing. Thank you for your work Steve.
@t5kcannon1 Місяць тому
Great content. Thanks Hardware Unboxed!
@brucethen Місяць тому
Steve's idea of relaxing sounds like hard work, over the Easter break I was at a friends 60th birthday party and a great time was had by all
@sergioav7278 Місяць тому
I think it should be important to point out if the 7900GRE was memory overclocked or not, since the uncap update gave this GPU a significant performance increase.
@tommysimonsen4043 Місяць тому
He was on vacation before the new driver came with the Vram OC. So this is done with no Vram OC
@wowzer4919 20 днів тому
It did not give it a significant performance update for everybody. Only if you have the hynix memory. A lot of us can't even reach 2400 stable. So we're still pretty much 2316 fast timings. Nothing has really changed. And this is actually much more common than you think.
@poppinbubblez702 Місяць тому
Thank you guys for all your hard work!
@ThePurplePassage Місяць тому
given how well the GRE can respond to overclocking, I think the benchmarks ought to have included this (although I get there is a separate video on this already)
@NeverSettleForMediocrity Місяць тому
it responds badly to overclocking due to the lottery, don't count on more than 5% + instability in different titles
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity lol you regardless of oc performance, Ray Tracing and DLSS premiums aren't worth if the GPU has only 12 GB . The only GPU worth buying is the 4090 for you know $1500
@MassivePaper Місяць тому
My gre memory crashes on anything over 2350mhz so yeah, basically stock. Got core to work at 26-2700 but it eats like 330 watts at max load
@colbyboucher6391 Місяць тому
@@markgutierez9922 They said literally nothing about Nvidia, just stated a fact about the cards. The GRE is cheaper because it's using lower-quality bins so the lottery is real. I get the temptation to shit on the big monopoly at ever opportunity but this comment kinda just adds nothing
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@colbyboucher6391 we watched a video comparing two GPUs all comments are made with the context in mind. His comment is basically saying there is no point in OC 7900 GRE not going to see any noticeable performance, I point out that Nvidia is still over priced. So we both point out negative aspects of one of the GPUs presented.
@dazzlerweb Місяць тому
We appreciate the work involved.
@Neonagi Місяць тому
I ended up going with the 4070 super because it has less of a power draw, and for very small case builds this is important to keep heat and noise levels down.
@alti6942 Місяць тому
The 7900 GRE with memory OC's hits the same figures as a 7900 XT (~10-15% increase on average) for $550 USD and with the 4 extra gigs of VRAM I think its a shame that it wasn't taken into consideration more heavily for your final thoughts especially since the only technical drawback to the GRE itself is its memory throughput compared to its much beefier CUs and its also relatively easy to do in AMD's own software
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Місяць тому
4 Gigs less VRAM of the 7900 GRE compared to the 7900 XT is indeed another technical drawback.
@mihirojha4475 Місяць тому
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I mean 16 GB is more than enough even for 4k gaming on most titles.
@Birdman._. Місяць тому
You could overclock rtx 4070 super too which matches a rx 7900 gre still(in hardware unboxed's video)
@tommysimonsen4043 Місяць тому
@@Birdman._. I don't know wich video you watche, but in the newest video, the 7900 GRE is faster then the 4070 super when both cards are OC'ed ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qWWllnmZpGd6uoE.html
@ulquiorrasciffer04 29 днів тому
Yeah but no amount of OC can get close to Nvidia's rendering speed. That 50 bucks difference is well damn worth it specialty if do both work and games. And Nvidia is more worth it in my country since they are priced at the same as amd cards.
@mercurio822 Місяць тому
no the Nvidia premium is not worth it when you only get 12gb vram.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Nvidia's "premium" is more mindshare than anything else.
@joelconolly5574 Місяць тому
It's enough for 1440p gaming
@gunturbayu6779 Місяць тому
@@joelconolly5574 same mindset as people who bought 8gb 3070/ti , look at them now lol
@gcz4457 Місяць тому
@@joelconolly5574 Maybe now, but in the future?
@CrazO9111 Місяць тому
AMD need 1-2GB VRAM more ingame aswell dont forget that. Nvidia Card is fine for 1080p/1440p for the next 3 Years.
@benwanders Місяць тому
Thank you Sir for apparently being the only media outlet that I know about that includes comprehensive DLSS details. I was doubting between exactly these 2 cards for a 3-4 year life span, and DLSS was exactly the hard-to-answer yet all important question I needed to know about.
@Extreme96PL Місяць тому
DLDSR + DLSS combo is alone worth it only way to make game with bad TAA to not look like blurry mess at 1080p. Difference in games like RDR2 or Jedi Survivor is like day and night on top of that DLDSR also help when game is aliased af.
@someasianguy8493 Місяць тому
Yep, people don't realise this. If you don't have DLDSR + DLSS, you are forced to increase the render scale and increase the sharpening in games like RDR2 if you want to reduce the blurriness of the awful TAA implementation.
@Extreme96PL Місяць тому
@@someasianguy8493increasing rendering scale increases the resolution, which is roughly what DLDSR does, but without the additional improvements that DLDSR and DLSS make to ensure image stability through AI. Sharpening isn't really the solution as there's still blurring that gets worse as you start moving. Plus, it's possible that sharpening will reveal what TAA is trying to hide. So far, the only way I've found to fix the blur is to increase the resolution, which will make the image more stable and less blurry. DLDSR + DLSS is the best because both of these things are intended to improve image stability and reduce TAA blur, but if you can't use it, the resolution scale will also improve the quality, but without DLSS the performance hit will be higher
@HeirofCarthage Місяць тому
These benchmark videos are awesome. The hard work put in definitely shows in the result. Also so helpful when it comes to choosing parts. Helps someone see what is right in their scenario.
@georgetowers4401 Місяць тому
Amazing video guys, this is all I needed to make an informed decision purchase. Thanks
@m4d.d0x Місяць тому
Thank you for the great info I just really think that there should have been some OC numbers for the 7900 GRE since I think most will be rocking it with some degree of OC even more so with the new drivers and the memory unlock for way more than what we were able to. Other than being a bit more power hungry, about 100W compared to the 4070 Super the difference is quite noticeable and there’s a lot of frames to be gained from what I’ve seen, then again, thank you for all the work and the info on so many test for these cards!
@sparkplugbarrens Місяць тому
It's great that you clarify, how raytracing drops frame rate to subjectively unplayable gaming experience in most titles at 1440p even with the 4070 super.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
I remember buying a 2070 Super over a 2060 Super in the hope of playing ray traced games with it. Oh, how I laugh about that now.
@oktusprime3637 Місяць тому
Tha's complete bullshit. Most RT titles run great at 1440p on the 4070S. They fall apart at 4K but the 4070S is not a 4K+RT card anyway.
@SimplCup Місяць тому
"in most titles" which were like 3, one of them unoptimized as shit (ratchet n clank), another is Cyberpunk which literally has real life lighting option basically and the most insane graphics in gaming history, and hogwarts legacy. And they all can be run with dlss/fsr and fg at at least 60-100 fps. while in reality most titles run smoothly at 1440p ultra ray tracing setting at 70-150 fps even without dlss and fg (tho i still turn them on, cus TSR and TAA AA solutions look horrendous compared to dlss quality mode, and fg is just free fps basically). Both rtx 4070 super and 7900 gre showed great results.
@ALLInOne-vq5em Місяць тому
Nope, they're not. Take Nvidia titles like Alan Wake 2; the 4070 Super won't hit 60 fps at RT high on 1440P. Same deal with Cyberpunk 2077. Other games don't hit GPUs as hard, though, for both AMD and Nvidia.
@SimplCup Місяць тому
@@ALLInOne-vq5em yes, but is it "most titles"? no, it's just a couple very demanding games, or unoptimized. 99% of games will run perfectly fine on 4070 super and 7900gre, some even at 4k.
@brad4690 Місяць тому
I went with the 7900 gre. I saved $50, got more vram for longevity, and I don't have to worry about that Nvidia power connector. If Nvidia had put that other 4gb of vram in there, they would have had my money.
@asdf_asdf948 Місяць тому
Now overclock the memory for a free 10% performance
@emelyanychcool3715 Місяць тому
4070S consumes about 200w,GRE about 300w for a few FPS more,not costs it.
@Hjorth87 Місяць тому
Great video. I love the amount of data 😊
@norbertnagy4468 Місяць тому
Finally Helledivers 2!!!!! Thanks Steve
@selohcin Місяць тому
I've watched a thousand Hardware Unboxed videos over the years, but never until today have I watched one during a week when I was actually planning to buy a GPU. I'm honored that Steve just happened to put in such an enormous amount of work on the one day I really needed it. I'm going AMD. Thanks, Steve.
@lawyerlawyer1215 Місяць тому
Do you put attention and still took the wrong choice going AMD? Yikes
@HotSexyDads Місяць тому
@@lawyerlawyer1215 Try one more time in english this time lil bud
@hollyh888 Місяць тому
great choice personally i would have gotten nvidia if they didnt ask shit prices and specs on cards that just arent good. i like amd software a lot. more user friendly.
@josejuanandrade4439 Місяць тому
So you didn't watch the video then? GRE loses at everything but 4k. And lots of tittles the performance at 4k isnt good... just better then the 4070 super. Then you also lose at upscaling, raytracing, and power consumption. AMD trained their fanboys well LOL
@dare2liv_nlove Місяць тому
@@josejuanandrade4439 You mean, Nvidia trained their fanboys well (judging by your comment). As Steve clearly said at the end of the video, "you could go either way" depending on what you are prioritizing in your purchase.
@jisjis87 Місяць тому
I'd love to see a behind the scenes video about these benchmarks. Like how you store the games and everything else you need to do in order to get the videos done.
@broc4354 23 дні тому
2 GPU's over 58 games?!?!?! You're a madman, Steve, and I appreciate you and your teach so much!
@lucidnonsense942 Місяць тому
12GB vram for 600$? Yeah, hard pass...
@ScrayaZ Місяць тому
perfectly fine for wqhd
@MGK195 Місяць тому
i rather take 12GB on a functional GPU with basically flawless drivers compared to the absolute abomination of what RDNA3 is... (and i own a 7800XT and 7900XTX)
@nexii1479 Місяць тому
How about ultrawide?@@ScrayaZ
@enragedbacon470 Місяць тому
kekw you probably aren't buying either of them, you're just here to complain and validate your salt
@isaacx593 Місяць тому
Agreed, should have been 16gb
@pkerch00b1 Місяць тому
Managed to snag a 7900gre for 510 euro. Seems like a good deal.
@izidor Місяць тому
good deal mate. Well done. Bought mine a week ago for 560€, no regrets tho. The card is a beast, specially in OC.
@PillowOfEvil Місяць тому
Sounds like mindfactory prices. I can't find anything in my country under 670€
@Sirpesari Місяць тому
Would love one for that price, in Finland they're unfortunately starting at 649
@PillowOfEvil Місяць тому
Sucks. I could find some for around 630€, but immediately after the oc unlock, prices jumped up.
@urgay1992 Місяць тому
Yeah both the cheapest 4070 super and 7900 GRE are 650€ here.
@chrisfanning5842 Місяць тому
I think your wider analysis of all the existing RT-enabled games is going to be really important. I've owned an RTX card since the very start and I've found two games where the (considerable) framerate hit was even a noticeable visual improvement. Of the 75ish games Steam claims I've played since buying a first-gen RTX card, I didn't bother playing with RT effects enabled, I merely experimented with settings and decided that the massive hit to performance detracted from the experience far more than the slightly better visuals added to it.
@sanjayr8325 Місяць тому
Liked and subscribed based in this video alone. Excellent work.
@richardnpaul_mob Місяць тому
Yeah the non-overclocked GRE isn't great in this match up, pushing the memory interface though really let's it accelerate away from the 4070S from the benchmarks I've seen (and that was OC to OC). I've tried RT, I was not blown away by it given the free marketing everyone has been giving it, so I'll be interested in and watching the future videos.
@chriswright8074 Місяць тому
He needs test more games that doesn't favor one or the other
@richardnpaul_mob Місяць тому
@@chriswright8074 by saying that you're not appreciating the amount of work goes into testing the 25-odd games (over 50 game tests when including FSR/DLSS, RT) that he already tests
@TerraWare Місяць тому
Thanks Steve.
@clifflenoir4323 25 днів тому
Back to you Steve.
@tdome3000 Місяць тому
Awesome! Yet another GRE test from Hardware Unboxed!
@hasiktak1544 Місяць тому
Your videos are always at the point, thanks for upload
@darrannorman6185 Місяць тому
Interesting and great analysis. I wonder what happened in MW3. GRE was well ahead of 4070 Super in your GRE Retest Video, now reversed. Different quality settings though.
@spoots1234 Місяць тому
After seeing the RTX remix for NFS underground, its hard to ignore RT completely anymore.
@Yellowswift3 Місяць тому
A very detailed and thorough dive into the benchmarks there, thanks for the hard work, Steve. The ray tracing deep dive you mentioned would also be an interesting piece of content should you decide to undertake it.
@NetNeelsie Місяць тому
No problem... Thank you for the video. Have a nice weekend.
@Chopper153 23 дні тому
Did you buy that AMD card?😂
@NetNeelsie 23 дні тому
@@Chopper153 I can't right now, building a house. I was thinking about getting the rx 7800xt later on.
@minhoek3252 Місяць тому
exactly the video i wanted! thank you howow onbox
@Nightss10 Місяць тому
I'm really surprised there was no overclocked comparison at the end of this. Even just on 3 titles. It seems make quite a big difference actually. Great work as always Steve! Been here since before covid!
@jakeny7399 28 днів тому
Not surprised here. Overclocking capabilities varies widely depending on silicon that the cards got shipped with. You can have two 7900 gre/ 4070s from the same manufacturer with very different overclocking results.
@SilverforceX Місяць тому
I don't give a rats about ray tracing. Its still way too heavy on perf for the minor visual gains, and in many titles, the shadows aren't even better with RT, just different.
@Frozoken Місяць тому
Yep they need to learn that the most exciting features are the ones with little to no downsides. This is why barely anyone actually cares about/uses features like ray tracing and frame gen. There's way too much of a trade off with both. Thats the same reason i love reflex so much because while the benefit is mild to moderate, there's literally 0 downside so I can always enable it no matter what.
@noahflare6825 Місяць тому
💯
@pelpiBro Місяць тому
someone having amd and he cant play games with ray tracing,so mad
@baronvonslambert Місяць тому
Yep, tried rt myself in a handful of titles and also thought it just looked different, not overall better. The only things I actually prefer RT for are sun shadows and water reflections, that's it. Anything else can look just different to a lot worse than just running high/ultra settings for normal rasterization. Unfortunately very few titles offer that level of control over their rt settings where you can limit it to the sun and water. Pathtracing overall seems like it looks better though, at least in the Nvidia tech demo that is Cyberpunk anyways. Unfortunately consumer level pathtracing is the better part of a decade away and right now you basically need a super computer based on alien technology from the depths of Area 51 to run it unless you have 4090 money and are ok with massive amounts of upscaling on your hyperexpensive halo GPU just to hit barely playable framerates, which I am not. DLSS, FSR, XESS, doesn't matter which one, they all look like garbage when you try anything more than 20-25% over native, idc what anyone else says.
@broc4354 23 дні тому
If ANYONE gets upset by Steve and Tim saying "It depends" when someone asks them what GPU to get, please refer them to this video. It truly matters what games someone is going to play, and what resolution you're looking to display. This video clearly demonstrates that unless you're willing to pay a huge premium, there really isn't a one shoe fits all approach to GPU's.
@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Місяць тому
Lot of work, thank you so much.
@user-qt6qe2vd1q Місяць тому
In my opinion you should add Witcher 3 in RT tests, difference there is huge in visuals.
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
True! And 4070 Super should be a lot faster in that game with RT.
@pravnav Місяць тому
It's optimised like shit
@band0lero Місяць тому
@@pravnav Only on Novigrad, where it is heavily CPU limited. On more graphics intensive scenario it can give a pretty good indication of RTX performance. It is pretty heavy, but so is every Ray Tracing implementation that makes a difference.
@evanhooper1 Місяць тому
@@band0lero The thing about the TW3 next gen update is now even with RTX turned off, the performance is much worse than the 1.32 'last gen' version. The directX 12 implementation was horribly done
@kren4449 Місяць тому
@@evanhooper1with rt off, fsr quality and pretty high settings (a mix of high/ultra/ultra+) the new directx 12 version works decently enough on my radeon 6600 @ 1440p while looking better than the old version. From what I've read online it appears that people with amd cards and rt off generally don't have many problems with getting decent performance on witcher 3 ng
@mikesunboxing Місяць тому
Just swapped my 7800xt for the msi Rtx 4070 super slim and don’t regret it
@silvio351 Місяць тому
you`ll regret it, just not today,
@lucaschenJC Місяць тому
Congrats 4070 super is great
@mikesunboxing Місяць тому
@@lucaschenJC yeah for me it was a better choice for my work as rasterisation in games is less important than a smooth timeline in premiere
@Danny-ex3tj 20 днів тому
@@silvio351 I got a Radeon 7800XT previously and had serious driver issue timed out twice in an hour, black screen. DDU in safe mode, reinstalled latest drivers(tried older and newer gen), RMA and received another dud, checked all my connections if plugged in properly. Do you know how to solve this problem, cause it's driving me crazy, in-fact I am not the only one with this issue(Can easily google it). I previously had 6800XT(XFX RMA twice) , Zotac 1080Ti (Artifacting so can't RMA since warranty expired) My current specs: 7800x3d 2x16GB 6000MHz (EXPO enabled) Team Group RAM TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI Corsair RM850e 2TB 980 Pro (Game drive) In my country it cost converted ~USD$50 more to get RTX 4070 super, so was thinking about it. I already regret my 7800XT many months ago. Was thinking about 7900XTX but even people reported driver timeout issue...
@seamon9732 Місяць тому
Thrilled that you added Helldivers 2, the game is taking the gaming world by storm and is played so much!
@Guwapo77 Місяць тому
Really loving the new graphical overlay.
@Joeyratatouille Місяць тому
I love my GRE. Got it a few weeks ago finally after using the 1070 for over 6 years. It took me a while to figure out the amd tweaks and settings but once I got it all set it is working great.
@juliocardona3378 Місяць тому
what did you end up doing to the settings?
@Joeyratatouille 26 днів тому
@@juliocardona3378 memory OC and just general game-to-game optimization.
@fracturedlife1393 Місяць тому
Thanks for democratically benching Helldivers 2. Must try this dx11 switch 😅
@tog2842 3 дні тому
Great timing, I am in the market for something around these price points. Superb video 👍🏼👍🏼
@NainGeantMiniature Місяць тому
This was very useful. I ended up going for the GRE a few days ago simply because of the OC performance uplift it showcases at 1440p. The 4070S is simply not competitive vs. an OC'ed 7900GRE
@Uthleber Місяць тому
You should only buy a 7900 GRE if you are willing to (memory) OC it. otherwise just take the 7800 xt for the AMD side.
@jimmybobby9400 Місяць тому
You just move a slider and click a button.
@Uthleber Місяць тому
@@jimmybobby9400 and even this, could be a challenge for some folks 🙂
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
It generally takes a pretty good core bump too. I haven't heard of silicon so bad that people can't get 2700MHz with a 1010mv baseline and a +15% TDP.
@pauloazuela8488 29 днів тому
@@andersjjensen so far the issue of GRE with the bad overclock wasn't silicon related but bugs due to driver issues that AMD released a driver that should be the fix and I've seen videos of it that it fixes it. But I do not know how stable it is
@andersjjensen 29 днів тому
@@pauloazuela8488 The numbers above are post "fix" numbers. You could do it before, but you had to use PowerTables via the registry.
@anthonyc2159 Місяць тому
7900 GRE: 16GB VRAM @ 256 bits vs 4070 Super: 12GB VRAM @ 192 bits. Which one do you think will age better? And even Steve admits raytracing is still a joke in most games. It is NOT worth the loss of 40% FPS over some 'enhanced reflections' that I can barely notice during gameplay. If Nvidia had a bit of shame, they would be releasing RT with Blackwell since full path tracing brings even the 4090 to its knees. 😮💨
@w04h Місяць тому
What will age better? A gpu that uses hardware upscaling and has a company that consistently updates it and also introduces new features every few months, compared to company that let their sh1t software upscaling rot with no major updates for over a year so badly that Intel, a competitor that just entered the gpu market, already has a better looking hardware and software solution? Tell me. Even as a programmer who likes using AMD's Xilinx products I have to say they have been stagnating pretty bad on the software and feature side.
@ranjitmandal1612 Місяць тому
😮
@jackywickzzz7369 Місяць тому
Well done for this video. Just wondering if games like cyberpunk & ratchet use alot of performance when turn on rt. Maybe it will be better to try with mid rt settings.
@lifeisinserthere 15 днів тому
After this video, my Ray Tracing FOMO has finally been cured. I no longer have concerns about picking Team Red over Green, which is my default bias anyway. That being said, VRAM and pricing still has me in a SERIOUS PICKLE--as I'm still undecided between 7900 GRE, XT, or XTX and seem to change my mind everyday. Ughhhh. If only pricing was the way it used to be, I would shell out for the XTX no questions asked!! Thanks for the vid as always!!
@X2yt Місяць тому
Nvidia is not worth it, unless you need CUDA support. So basically anything even remotely AI related, Nvidia is a must. Also for productivity. Then it's worth it. For pure 100% gaming, AMD is almost always better for the money.
@TearyBoi Місяць тому
Can we get a massive GPU benchmark for helldivers 2? 😮
@fracturedlife1393 Місяць тому
Maybe some CPU 🤞
@magikarp2063 Місяць тому
Well you basically got everything you need to know from this video - Nvidia massive advantage. But it would be okay to see since its a veryy popular one.
@hak116 Місяць тому
Heres to hoping that amd users get driver updates to bring the gre up to par with nvidia cards, so everyone can spread democracy with smoooth framerates!
@ranjitmandal1612 Місяць тому
🔥
@toad7395 Місяць тому
Nvidia currently has the advantage (I assume in all 4000 vs 7000 series gpus). Probably because the developers tested using nvidia GPUs and not AMD gpus. Hopefully AMD updates their drivers to combat it, I doubt helldivers 2 will release an update to increase AMD performance.
@adrianfr05 Місяць тому
Will this be really the last 7900gre video? 🤣 loving them btw
@mikesunboxing Місяць тому
i might have missed it in the video, but which models of the cards were used?
@fateunleashed9680 Місяць тому
Both are Gigabyte cards. It's shown on the thumbnail, mentioned at 1:20 which you can always find in the chapters of the video.
@pw1169 Місяць тому
Can we have a linux vs windows benchmark with these cards and cpu?
@user-xe6sm4jv8f Місяць тому
Oh man, that would be such a pain to benchmark! I can 100% guarantee that the moment Linux is mentioned, there will be comments like "yOu UsEd wRoNg dIsTrO" and "ummm ackshually thats the wrong version of dxvk it has 1.3% worse performance". Considering the sheer amount of variables to the amount of games tested it probably isn't worth it...
@pw1169 Місяць тому
@@user-xe6sm4jv8f It don't think it would be too bad. Just go for an 'out of the box' distro config and start benchmarking. At worst the benchmarks have to be run twice. It would be so interesting though! Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested :D
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
Hi Steve you probably hear this a lot but i love you
@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
Not enough for my liking, so thank you haha
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
@@Hardwareunboxed
@menace992 Місяць тому
Do you think it'd be possible to add VR testing for something like iRacing? Quite difficult to get performance info especially considering the SPS setting for Nvidia GPUs, since AMD equivalent is only supported in DX12 afaik.
@tallsz559 Місяць тому
Good job showing the upscaling results, I feel like few reviewers do this.
@Tainted79 Місяць тому
The problem with benchmarking the 7900GRE is it's bandwidth starved out of the box. It needs to be memory Oc'd to see its full potential. And then you'll get into endless arguments saying its not a fair match up.
@sgredsch Місяць тому
yea well without manual tuning its basically a 7800xt. the 7900gre is really only interesting as a tinker gpu that needs manual tuning. thats where the value of the gpu is.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Then they should have released it that way. Which perfectly illustrates steve's comment that AMD can't afford to leave performance on the table at low market-share.
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@sgredsch it's been a while since I had the chance to mess with a GPU and get decent results. And with the radeon software per game profiles I get to set individual oc profiles for each game for maximum performance. Indeed I have been having more fun playing with the GPU settings than the actual games 😂.
@stangamer1151 Місяць тому
What do you mean by "needs"? Every card can be overclocked, including 4070 Super. And it is even more constrained by it's mem bandwidth than GRE.
@josejuanandrade4439 Місяць тому
If a product NEEDS to be tinkered with, to work as it should.. THEN IS A BAD PRODUCT. Then again, all cards can benefit from oc'ing, not just your precious AMD cards. So please, lower your fanboyism a notch, would you?
@TouzeenHussain Місяць тому
Rocking a 5600X and a Sapphire Pure 7900GRE
@dariosucevac7623 Місяць тому
i am curious on if you get bottlenecked by your cpu? how are the 1% lows on 1440p? im planning on getting the same gpu but i have a ryzen 5600, thanks in advance
@TouzeenHussain Місяць тому
@@dariosucevac7623 don't care about bottlenecks. But I will get a 5800X3d if I get a good used deal in the future. Right now all my games are 90-180fps at 1440p. I use a 144hz monitor so I can it at 144 anyway. Really happy with the card. And F RT.
@ktvx.94 Місяць тому
If the new FSR really gets 80-90% of the way there compared to DLSS, the GRE is a no-brainer. You'll only be really upscaling to 4K where the better samples mitigate its issues, maybe to 1440p just to save energy. If it doesn't I'm slightly inclined towards the GRE.
@tibordavid6716 Місяць тому
I managed to get a 4070 super for $569 a few days ago. I am very satisfied with it. Both cards are suitable, but because of DLSS and RT, it feels like a good decision for 1440P.
@mohammadosman1474 22 дні тому
what about the power consumption ?
@michahojwa8132 Місяць тому
Fabio from Ancient Gameplays did a piece on this, but with OC/UV - he basically redefined the Way it's done - like raising core voltage for better result. With the new way GRE becomes OC monster. About your video - I really like how you put raster and rt results in one place.
@richardwinstanley8219 Місяць тому
£600 for abysmal ray tracing performance is just not worth it. Paying a premium for a compromised experience is such a poor decision. I would rather get the 7900 GRE and not enable Ray Tracing, instead of paying more just to say "I play with RT" at a low FPS.
@raimishakir Місяць тому
i don't care about ray tracing but for upscaling DLSS is way better than FSR. if AMD somehow can match nvidia with their RX8000 series then im switching to AMD.
@mick7727 Місяць тому
One important other thing is local Stable Diffusion. AMD just can't do it at an acceptable level.
@Nick-nf1kd Місяць тому
I play RT on a 3060ti. Man I love 30 fps and stuttering from running out of vram, so fun!
@vladimirdosen6677 Місяць тому
@@raimishakir People pretending how Nvidia is selling mist never ceases to amaze me. They have proven time and again that their software is superior. Just because their rasterized performance sometimes is slower(by a small margin than AMD counterparts), doesn't mean that they don't have an overall well-balanced product.
@Superdazzu2 Місяць тому
ehm 1440p dlss quality 60+ fps with everything maxed including ray tracing is a compromised experience? LOL
@bearsbeatsbattlestargalact4297 Місяць тому
Lately it has been just gaming performance comparison. You guys should include some productivity benchmarks as well like video editing, 3d softwares, etc. It helps in choosing relatively better GPU suited according to your needs. Not everyone plays games day & night. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
@davidkupr_fut6865 Місяць тому
Can u include the finals for both cpu and gpu tests its very good
@Steve30x Місяць тому
I bought a 7900gre two weeks ago and I have a feeling my 5600x is bottlenecking it even though my ram is 3733mhz. Also I have the CPU set to boost @ 4.85ghz with pno2 curve optimizer at negative 20. I'm going to upgrade my CPU to either a 5700x3d or 5800x3d.
@roki977 Місяць тому
It does for sure. 5800x3d is minimum for that GPU.. Skip 5700x3d if you can..
@Steve30x Місяць тому
@@roki977 there's only about €30 difference between the two anyway but it will have to wait a few weeks because my cooker died just a week after buying the 7900gre
@roki977 Місяць тому
@@Steve30x i had 5700x at 4.85ghz and frames drops in every cpu demanding scenario like in cp2077 with lots of NPCs or simillar thing in Warzone and all that with rx 6800. With 5800x3d all those drops are almost gone, i have 7800xt now. Just saying its out of my exp..
@hollyh888 Місяць тому
yes just buy a 5800x3d and enjoy the motherboard for a long time still. till hell maybe even am6
@Alexruja3227 Місяць тому
In my country, funny enough, the 4070 Super is cheaper than the 7900 GRE, about 10-20$ cheaper, so I went with that in the end.
@MikaelKKarlsson Місяць тому
Help Steve take a load off by running the summary segment at 0.5x speed. He's been sneaking in work during his time off and can use our help. 😊
@predator0644 Місяць тому
it would be great to know if this 7900gre has the same problem of idle consumption (on fast monitor, multiple screens, ect..) as the 7900 xtx/xt
@romeoszabo1340 Місяць тому
Also the gre has a big oc potentional like u show in the other video, +30% power limit,undervolt and +3gbs for the memory and u get +10-15% fps so basicaly 4070 ti performance
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
Actully, As per tpu charts, Adding %15 to the gre should actually make it as fast as the 4070ti Super.
@Reac2 Місяць тому
That's not even a overclock or just barely. Looking at the 7800 xt and the 7900 xt and comparing what the 7900 GRE parts are rated for, the entire GPU basically comes underclocked out of the box and what you are describing is just setting the GPU to what it should be
@romeoszabo1340 Місяць тому
@@Reac2 Yeah i think about the same, its nearly an 7900xt with narrower bus and comes out underclock, so u can undervolt and have the same performance as the 4070 super with max 200-210w power compsumption or u can go with the pw limit uv oc with 300w pw usage but little bit faster than a 4070 ti/4070 ti super
@nicane-9966 Місяць тому
@@TheGrizz485thsts pushing too far, the 4070 ti super is between 15 to 20% faster than the 4070s. It will just barelly surpass the 4070ti.... Barelly. Steve uploaded a video about it.
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
@@nicane-9966 acoording to TPU the overclocked 7900GRE is the same performance as the stock 4070ti SUPER
@eventhorizon9598 Місяць тому
Perfect timing for this review as i am currently whether GRE or 4070S.
@eventhorizon9598 Місяць тому
Reason is my 6600XT being to slow for Helldivers. Currently playing it at 1080p 16:9 60 fps on my 21:9 UWQHD monitor.
@ERZAY2 Місяць тому
Can you compare with the GRE overclock?
@Steve30x Місяць тому
I saw a British truck driver who is converting a truck cabin into a truck simulator. He has 4 x 4k TVs that he thinks a bog standard rtx 4070 will be powerful enough to drive the four 4k TVs 😂 He was also gushing at the 12gb Vram on the GPU 😂.
@RaceT3ch Місяць тому
uh oh
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Місяць тому
Guy thought 4090 and 4070 aren't very different.
@T0asty- Місяць тому
4070s could easily do 4k on one monitor, that's what my brother does. 4 of em though? No I don't think so. Lol
@helldogbe4077 Місяць тому
Should've just bought VR glasses...
@Steve30x Місяць тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I replied to one of his videos when he revealed he was going to use 4 x 4k TVs to say he will need a lot of computing power for this. He thumbed up the comment but he still doesn't have a clue 😂. He would need at least two 4090 GPUs in sli especially for euro truck simulator which he is going to run. My 5700XT had trouble running that game at 2560 x 1080 at high settings. The game is very unoptimised.
@vvhitevvizard_ Місяць тому
12GB of 4070S is a big nono Nvidia could make RTX 4070 Super much better if they make it with 256bit bus width and 16GB VRAM. With 4000 series, Nvidia lost its touch with reality. 4060, 4060 ti 8/16, 4070(ti) just feel as a rip-off. And RX 7900 GRE would be more compelling for $500.
@exception6651 Місяць тому
I’m sorry but most people that buy these cards won’t be playing in 4k or using max settings, Evan if they are they’ll be using dlss anyway. In new games 12gb will not be a issue it’s very rare I use over 12gb on my 4090 at 4k 🤷♂️
@vvhitevvizard_ Місяць тому
@@exception6651 12GB is not enuf for frame generation, RTX, etc. Even for 1080P very high settings. Also, more VRAM is required for AI related stuff. TODAY. And its definitely NOT-FUTUREPROOF.
@raimishakir Місяць тому
@@vvhitevvizard_May i know what game required more than 12GB VRAM at 1080p? i own 4070ti. So far the game i've played never exceed 12GB VRAM at 1440p (i don't have 4K monitor). Even if memory usage exceed 12GB VRAM 4070ti is not capable to run most of the game in 4k anyway. The same apply to the 7900GRE. Even if the VRAM is sufficient it cant do 4K too.
@angeltzepesh1 Місяць тому
The Nvidia rip-off started way before the 4000 series, just look how bad the RTX 2000 series was, it was basically the 1000 series with RT cores while increasing the price. 3000 and 4000 series are good in a vacuum, but they suffer from gimped memory configurations and overprice, most of the lineup at least.
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
@@vvhitevvizard_ then how the hell is 4070 Super outperforming the 7900GRE at 1440p and 4k with ray tracing????????????
@otherego8365 Місяць тому
can you do comparison between the two brand for stable diffusion and other AI model
@asdf_asdf948 Місяць тому
Are the benchmarks with memory OC on the GRE or stock?
@izidor Місяць тому
I got yesterday my 7900 GRE Pulse...the GPU is just a monster in terms of OC. 25 262 Timespy points. Since they open up the MEM OC the card is super interesting. Easy 4070 Ti Super performance possible. OFC this is not the standard. Super luck with my sample.
@niteh4wkk926 Місяць тому
fr I managed to get my 7800xt running with mem clocks over 2750mhz and the uplift was crazy
@KimBoKastekniv47 Місяць тому
I can't see myself spending $600+ on a 192-bit bus card, this memory configuration used to belong on 60 class cards.
@vladimirdosen6677 Місяць тому
If you can spend 600+, you can spend 800, you can spend 1000 too. Some people smoke a 4090 or two in a year and winge how their products are too expensive.
@helldogbe4077 Місяць тому
Even spending 500$ for an AMD product doesn't seem worth it when we're not getting a generational (30%) uplift over the 6800XT
@DeFroOO Місяць тому
I can't see myself spending $600+ on a card that aside raster gaming is totally useless
@cyberpunk59 Місяць тому
@@DeFroOOhonestly, gaming aside from "raster gaming" is pointless
@johnhenderson7285 Місяць тому
And on the GTX 760 you have a 256-bit bus....So nvidia cut down the bus on the GTX 960, which is only 9% faster than the GTX 760...with a 256-bit bus, however it would have been around 15-20% faster.
@ronaldgutman5980 24 дні тому
Good Job Steve, great summary of what to expect for your dollars!
@jonadkins9339 Місяць тому
Upgraded to the Gigabyte Gaming OC GRE from my GTX 1080 and I'm happy with it so far. Unfortunately for me (and why you can't promise overclocking) the memory on mine just won't overclock well. Anything past 2.4GHz just crashes, so no big gains from overclocking for me, but those that can get closer to the 2.5-2.6Ghz number on the memory will enjoy a great value!
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Hey Steve, a much fairer assessment in the final thoughts than the previous "AMD has to be 20% cheaper" argument. Fair on VRAM, Ray Tracing and the pro's and con's of both. As for the rest in my opinion: I still say the Adrenaline software suite is still a bit better than GFE (or whatever its called now), but DLSS is better than FSR. However, since both make your visual quality noticably softer and blurrier, i'd never use them either way. And FG is just terrible for both vendors. And as you said, ray tracing only really matters with the 4080/4090. This class of GPU's just isn't fast enough without upscaling. So you have slightly more accurate shadows, but a blurrier visual. Not really a selling point to me.
@tomgreene5388 Місяць тому
How is this a much more fair assessment when all you said was a bunch of opinions and things you prefer lol. Not everyone will want or prioritize the same things as you.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
@@tomgreene5388 The first part of the comment is a remark to steve, then a new line starts, and it literally says: "IN MY OPINION". I did that specifically to prevent comments like these. But alas, bellcurve and everything. There is no way you can provide enough caveats for some room temp IQ's that failed basic reading skills.
@wiseass2149 Місяць тому
If you only have $550, then go with Raedon. Seriously, NVIDIA is ripping you off.
@_fiftyseven_ Місяць тому
What about video editing and graphics design? How do those tasks perform on Radeon?
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Місяць тому
@@_fiftyseven_ not good, if you want those go for nvidia. Also this isn't the correct channel to answer that.
@rygelxvi3324 Місяць тому
@@_fiftyseven_ Nvidia
@BOPBOPBOPBOPBOPBOPOB Місяць тому
@@_fiftyseven_ that’s a valid point but not a strong one. I’m pretty sure over 90% of non-crypto miners would buy a graphics card for gaming only.
@ondrejdobrota7344 Місяць тому
No, just stop thinking, becuase RX 7900 GRE is now increased price to 625 EUR. Wtf you did with 550 USD?
@mike306dt Місяць тому
It would be nice with cards like the GRE if you actually upped the memory clock or offered something regarding overclocking. The GRE has heaps of memory headroom and benefits greatly from clock increase!
@krzysiek9920 Місяць тому
Smart Access Memory enable?
@Anukinihun Місяць тому
I still don't get why people buy Nvidia over AMD to this day when it has shown Nvidia offers less VRAM than AMD and VRAM is the most important thing moving forward. You can say how much DLSS means to you but Nvidia locks their latest tech to the latest Gen. So DLSS 4.0 isn't coming to Lovelace like how 3.0 didn't come to Ampere.
@timotmon Місяць тому
Many reasons.. some good and some not so good reasons. For me it's that I don't just game with my GPU's.. I use it for motion graphics and Octane rendering. Also a lot of us make money with our GPU's so point in fact I picked up a 4080 super on launch day for $999 and it's already paid for itself. Simply put, I have no use for an AMD card.
@puregaming7255 Місяць тому
They played the amd lottery and lost i can say this as a current 6700xt having nothing but issues
@Anukinihun Місяць тому
@@timotmon ohhh yeah you have a reason to have Nvidia, I do 3D rendering too that's why I switched from my 6900XT to a 4090 but alot of people are just gamers or streamers. People don't know that AMD streaming software is the best on the market even better than OBS. Relive does everything you need for streaming and recording.
@Anukinihun Місяць тому
@@puregaming7255 what are your issues?
@puregaming7255 Місяць тому
@@Anukinihun constant black screen tried new dp cable hdmi cable fresh os install. ddu several times Went from am4 platform to a intel drr5 still same issue even replaced psu still cant stop black screen
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
I would love a showcase for RT. So far I am not impressed. I still remember going from Half Life to Far Cry with beautiful DX9 water. To Crysis with beautiful shader effects and great dynamic shadows and foliage and huge levels. Those games were worth the asking price of a faster GPU so you could play on high. These days I play Control on a 1080ti and 3080ti and... After a while I just turn of RT and run it at 4K where the 1080ti could do 1080P. Tried Cyberpunk at different quality levels and different RT levels. After a while I also turned those off because after playing a while I don't even know if RT is on or off. I have to check the settings or find an area where RT would make a difference.
@tonymorris4335 Місяць тому
You can't tell the reflection difference on the ground with RTX on and off with Cyberpunk? I agree with every example you gave (another old gamer) but RTX in cyberpunk, ESPECIALLY in the rain, is mind blowinging good looking and realistic.
@wakingfromslumber9555 Місяць тому
@@tonymorris4335 yeah Cyberpunk is the only game where you can see a difference since the game is just literally neon lights and puddles.😅
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
@@tonymorris4335 When I am sight seeing to see what RT can do I can see it. But ask me after 30 minutes of gaming if I have been gaming with RT on or off... I would have to check my memory if I saw better reflections in puddles. Go play Far Cry in DX8. Go play Crysis on low. You know that you have been gaming on a potato GPU. A nice example would be the DX10 mode of Crysis. That gave smoke that didn't clip through the floor. Looks nice. But wasn't worth the performance hit so you turn it off and you forget whether smoke looks normal or fancy.
@antonvlasov6628 Місяць тому
I watched a russian video about RT a while ago. The gist of it was that lights in most modern raster games are built with first implementing RT on a scene and then a person manually sets shadows and light sources (which is pain in the ass sometimes). Also that's the reason why we don't have good physics in games because there won't be a correct shadow representation on certain objects or it would take more gpu power than raytracing. The reason for implementing real time RT is to cut time and costs of production and to get more correct lightning. So I think I'll be better in general when all GPUs can use RT at playable frame times.
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
@@antonvlasov6628 Yes. Most of those features are in Unreal engine 5 and run on non-RT hardware. But it is going to be great for gamemakers in 2030 when every GPU can do RT with performance.
@AndersHass Місяць тому
I think the rasterisation game comparisson slides were supposed to say Fortnite (DX12) Epic instead of DX11? I would recommend your video on 1080p upscaler to understand why you felt it was less important there compared to higher resolutions.
@AndrewCC01 День тому
Recently built my PC with a RX7900 GRE, but unfortunately it was bad. Drivers wouldn’t load while the OS recognized there was a problem with the card. Ran every possible fix (OS reset, DDU, re-seat, etc.) Ended up exchanging it for a 4070 Super (figured I’d go with something more reliable, AMD’s drivers are notoriously unreliable/unstable). Fantastic job so far on ultra settings (HD2, Fortnite, CoD)!
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
Not considering the 7900GREs huge ~%15 overclocking headroom is huge oversight in the analysis. It's the only reason many people are buying it. I think that this and it's 16gb memory buffer makes it a direct competitor to the 4070ti Super.
@fVNzO Місяць тому
It's not guaranteed performance, both cards can be overclocked. And no, the vast majority of people do not overclock or undervolt. You should be able to easily make that decision yourself armed with your own knowledge about OC'ing if that's what you're intending to do. There's no "oversight", the video is not a big maths equation it just relays data. It's up to you calculate your own weighted sum. It's not that deep.
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
But most cards have only %4-%5 OC headroom. It's a waste not capatalize on the GREs oc headroom if it's being considered.
@Eleganttf2 Місяць тому
lol these amd fanboys are never satisfied
@AndyViant Місяць тому
@@TheGrizz485 yes, but you might get a 7900GRE that only lets you memory O/C to 2300. Or you might buy a brand of 7900 GRE with a really bad power limit. The same goes the other way, the Nvidia reference Super boards were crap for power limits but some AIB partners fixed that, and that allows more like 7-8% O/C. Some people have had minimal memory overclocking success with the GRE and stability issues. Applying the fast memory timings option on the card seem to be almost as good as higher memory overclocks anyway. The only fair way to do it is to benchmark what you get with factory settings, naming the specific products, and if you've played with overclocking and found one seems pretty good (or heard it through industry) then mention it might be a plus but YMMV. Which is exactly what Steve did.
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