Great Schism: The Bitter Rivalry Between Greek and Latin Christianity

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Kings and Generals

Kings and Generals

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In our new animated historical documentary we will talk about the rivalry between the Catholic and Orthodox churches in the Middle Ages and how it shaped the history of Christianity and the whole world leading to the events of the Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople.
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@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 4 роки тому
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@abhisheknanda9956
@abhisheknanda9956 4 роки тому
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@crazyjester993
@crazyjester993 4 роки тому
Hey what back ground music did you used in the end of Lepanto video ?
@TyrannosaurusRex5027
@TyrannosaurusRex5027 4 роки тому
@Kings and Generals I would apply but I don’t have enough fingers to use photo shop (Although I am good at drawing dinosaurs)
@christermi
@christermi 4 роки тому
17:57 It's Ipyrus you're referring to , not Albania .
@omarcillo060
@omarcillo060 4 роки тому
I'm afraid my skill set is most suited for translation and localization, when you want to do k&g on Spanish, I'd be more than happy to apply 😎
@antonteodor6305
@antonteodor6305 4 роки тому
Konstantinos VI: "I hate you mother, and never wish to see you again!" Irene: "Your wish is granted"
@haroldbrown893
@haroldbrown893 4 роки тому
Damn
@todrkdck9805
@todrkdck9805 4 роки тому
That's sad....😥
@patrickotshumbe4201
@patrickotshumbe4201 4 роки тому
Loool
@adibzinnurine7917
@adibzinnurine7917 3 роки тому
@Y2kSd4 Crucify Jesus again.
@gfilmer7150
@gfilmer7150 3 роки тому
Not gonna lie, that's some Cersei Lannister shit right there.
@duploman1000
@duploman1000 3 роки тому
Jesus: 'Were... you guys even listening to a word I said?'
@NeoMicy
@NeoMicy 3 роки тому
Peoples: Pretty sure he was preaching about babtism by sword.
@daraharvey4519
@daraharvey4519 3 роки тому
Exactly
@firingallcylinders2949
@firingallcylinders2949 3 роки тому
Martin Luther: I got you fam
@rebeccaanderson5626
@rebeccaanderson5626 3 роки тому
@@firingallcylinders2949 NO MARTIAN WAS A SATANIC PRECHER. HE GAVE BIRTH TO PROTESTENT HERESY
@firingallcylinders2949
@firingallcylinders2949 3 роки тому
@@rebeccaanderson5626 You mean he restored Biblical teaching.
@davidbowie5023
@davidbowie5023 9 місяців тому
As a Catholic from Ireland, I appreciated it. It helps me to learn about the tragic schism. Wish all brothers and sisters of Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other Christian faith all good health.
@jdk67
@jdk67 7 місяців тому
Wishing you the best as well.
@hetalvn
@hetalvn 4 місяці тому
what about other religions
@user-nu1kt7sn7v
@user-nu1kt7sn7v 4 місяці тому
@@hetalvnNo!!
@Genarii
@Genarii 3 місяці тому
​@@hetalvnThe topic is the tragic schism of Christendom, so involving other faiths would be a bit off topic. Secondly, it is naive to assume that other religions share your values even to the point that you should wish them good health (omitting such a wish is not the same as wishing someone ill health, but I'm not sure you'd want to wish good health upon ISIS -- or even someone like David Miscavige). Lastly, one could also ask "what about non-religious people?" I find it hard to learn about this topic without wondering what a more united Christianity could have done in the face of the centuries long Jihad that conquered so many previously Christian lands. It may or may not have made a huge difference (by our standards) at the time, but what the world might look like now is an interesting thought. Did the world benefit from having various checks on Christian power over the centuries? Or would we have a more just, equal, and liberal North Africa and Middle East today if, say, the Crusades had been a far bigger success? It's a counterfactual, but an interesting one to ponder.
@simonegregoire2004
@simonegregoire2004 3 місяці тому
Amen!
@Thepeug
@Thepeug 3 роки тому
Pretty crazy to realize that the Roman Empire basically lasted all the way until 1452.
@firstamendment2887
@firstamendment2887 3 роки тому
Lmao, no. They are still lasting. They are leading Satanism from the Vatican.
@armandoan6328
@armandoan6328 3 роки тому
@@firstamendment2887 protestard at it again 🤡🤡🤡
@firstamendment2887
@firstamendment2887 3 роки тому
@@armandoan6328 No, there is only one mediator between God and man...and it is Christ. I am a Christian. Get it right. Jesus is my priest. Jesus is my Redeemer. Jesus is my king. The pope, worships Satan, not YHWH.
@armandoan6328
@armandoan6328 3 роки тому
@@firstamendment2887 go read some church fathers and u will understand
@firstamendment2887
@firstamendment2887 3 роки тому
@@armandoan6328 I read from THE church father, and I understands completely. Anyone brainwashed to believe Catholicism is of YHWH, needs forgiveness, for worshipping Satan. I don't pray to Mary, or Peter, or any other HUMAN. Jesus only. These people still had to worship, at the feet of Jesus. Jesus says He is the only way to the Father. I believe Him, not people that use fake power, to abuse little boys.
@Iron-Bridge
@Iron-Bridge 4 роки тому
If only the history they taught in school was this well presented.
@prismadelsaber6317
@prismadelsaber6317 4 роки тому
Well presented but more accurate than this.
@alchemist6819
@alchemist6819 3 роки тому
@@prismadelsaber6317 don't even think lol, sometimes it's too much of a bias in schools than UKposts.
@95jAlfinse
@95jAlfinse 3 роки тому
The only thing I remember from highschool history class was "Remember class, Prussia wasn't Russia, it was Germany" which isn't even accurate
@alchemist6819
@alchemist6819 3 роки тому
@@95jAlfinse same lol my history teacher couldn't differentiate between Prussia and Germany.
@georgeabraham5672
@georgeabraham5672 3 роки тому
True. I loved buy my school history teacher was really messed up
@peterdiaz3796
@peterdiaz3796 4 роки тому
Roman Catholic Church: you’re hereby excommunicated eastern heretic Orthodox Church: ...no u
@jasondaniel918
@jasondaniel918 4 роки тому
Simplistic, but fairly accurate.
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 4 роки тому
The same can be said about the HRE and the Papal States
@anonymussicarius8899
@anonymussicarius8899 4 роки тому
A tragicomical fact is, that as pope Leo IX had already died at 19th April, the excommunication enacted by Cardinal Humbert of Sevilla on 19th July 1054 was void, because Leo had only given a blanko excommunication, to be enacted in case the negotiation would fail. But by canonical law not only this document would´ve lost it´s validity with Leo´s death, but also the papal delegation had lost it´s authority, as they weren´t (yet) authorized by the new pope Victor II. But the news of Leo´s death hadn´t reached Constantinopel by the 19th July, and in the aftermath of the reciprocall excommunication all party´s were to proud and stubborn to acknowledge this fact, and get a compromise going.
@ravezon
@ravezon 4 роки тому
Yea...Christians became from love thy neighbors by Jesus to fuck you neighbors by some popes. The popes back in the days making Jesus proud.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 роки тому
And as for Leo the X...
@aasemahsan
@aasemahsan Рік тому
4:12 Rome & Constantinople stand as the two sole influential churches 5:08 Eastern Roman Empire's control over the papacy in Rome 5:40 Leo III begins Iconoclasm (727 AD) 6:02 Lombards end Eastern Roman Empire's control over Northern Italy (751 AD) 6:25 The Franks enter the fray under Pepin the short & the papal states are established 7:57 Irene rises to power in Constantinople (797 AD) by deposing her son Constantine VI She stops Iconoclasm 8:59 Charlemagne is crowned as Holy Roman Emperor (800 AD) 10:02 Rift between Holy Roman Empire & Eastern Roman Empire 11:51 Church power 12:11 The Photian Controversy (863 AD) 12:53 Difference between religious rituals of the two churches 13:28 Two churches come to blows & *The Great Schism* occurs 15:57 Massacre of Latin population in Constantinople (1182 AD) 17:08 Fourth Crusade
@Ibraheem776
@Ibraheem776 Рік тому
Jazakallahu khayran. I’m learning this to tell some Christians that they can’t say Muslims always fight eachother when they did
@marksuperkid1253
@marksuperkid1253 Рік тому
​@@Ibraheem776 Christians fought each other a lot. How does that make it untrue that Muslims fought/fight each other a lot as well? The one doesn't exclude the other.
@alvirarahman574
@alvirarahman574 Рік тому
@@marksuperkid1253 we don't have shit show like "Sack of Constantinople" or "Thirty years war" which decimated the population of present day Germany. Muslims have no record of sinking THIS low.
@jaimealvarez5666
@jaimealvarez5666 Рік тому
Alvira Rahman sinking this low. Yeah say that again verbally but think about the word Mongolia at the same time. One little man change your whole history only legit empire to come out of the ruin was ottomans and the only real competition they had was a dying Byzantine that was getting out of a plague.
@alvirarahman574
@alvirarahman574 Рік тому
@@jaimealvarez5666 lol commenting irrelevant crap here won't save you from the shit hole u dug yourself for haha. Name any Sect war inside the realm of Islam that is as bad as "Sack of Constantinople" or "Thirty Years War" you Christians even assassinated your Pope of the other sect and you have the nerve to speak here. What kind of shameless human are you? Either be relevant or shut up.
@nicumarinescu34
@nicumarinescu34 3 роки тому
The Patriarchate of Constantinople was not saying it was the head highest power. The Bishop of Constantinople said all bishops are equal the Roman Bishop was the one fighting for power
@thediesel3198
@thediesel3198 3 роки тому
Exactly, this video straw mans the entire schism into politics, and makes some straight out false statements. The schism was theological. But we hear none of this in order to undermine Christianity as a sort of "political religion". Jesus apparently started a "new religion" as one example. Complete ignorance imo.
@otgunz
@otgunz 4 роки тому
Again and again I am amazed by the rich art styles and visual representation techniques the antiquity presents us. Thanks to the nameless Roman, Greek, European artists whose art inspired me through the making of this video in terms of mosaics, stained glasses, manuscript illustrations, and icons. For any political or religious reasons art must not be a thing to be banned imho, since it is ridiculous to ban a thing which defines the humankind and it's power comes from core urges. Anyways art finds a way and insists to get out to the great openness of the earth no matter what.
@aquilatempestate9527
@aquilatempestate9527 4 роки тому
The slippery slope there is that malicious people can redefine what art is and peddle all sorts of cultural weaponry as "art". All things in balance, especially tolerance.
@DoReMi123acb
@DoReMi123acb 4 роки тому
You and Aquila hit it right on the nail. Art must be preserved and never censored but balance between tolerance and openness must be struck.
@494949david
@494949david 4 роки тому
that has to be one of the most amazing messeges I ever red on ytb
@ramichahin2
@ramichahin2 4 роки тому
don't seek the doctrines of men, worshiping idols, following their own lusts... seek The Truth on your own beloved ones. ask The Most High to lead you in His Ways (I believe this is outside the churches who delight in idols and icons, although I am sure they have many True Believers)
@starhawck
@starhawck 4 роки тому
Roman and Greek are European.
@ls200076
@ls200076 3 роки тому
Catholics: "May Jesus aid me in battle" Orthodox: "May Jesus aid me in battle" Catholics: "Wait" Orthodox: "Wait"
@D_Marrenalv
@D_Marrenalv 3 роки тому
LOL
@lunchingtangpua2415
@lunchingtangpua2415 3 роки тому
@@D_Marrenalv jesus will never help them .they did not even listen to a single word he said .
@D_Marrenalv
@D_Marrenalv 3 роки тому
@@lunchingtangpua2415 Agreed!
@muslim_itu_tolol_sekali
@muslim_itu_tolol_sekali 3 роки тому
@@WillyIlluminatoz nah JESUS never turn to ISLAM. He use ISLAM as a tool to correct christianity. Is a fact ISLAM can destroy ortodox but cant beat catolic and even can't hold protestant spread
@aardappel8450
@aardappel8450 3 роки тому
@@WillyIlluminatoz Islam denies the most proven fact about Jesus' life, Him being crucified.
@MrEngleson
@MrEngleson 2 роки тому
Very concise explanation, good job capturing the concept highlighting the important events. Glad that this channel addressed this topic. This could be a good high school history class lecture. Thank you!
@saintandrew245
@saintandrew245 3 роки тому
i am an orthodox christian i love all humans and christians around the world ❤️☦️
@mrsullied
@mrsullied 2 роки тому
Humans AND Christians 😂😂 😘
@kalebloshbough1551
@kalebloshbough1551 2 роки тому
Im just aworthless sinner depending on my King Jesus we were never supposed to put labels on it for we are all one in Jesus
@ciupenhauer
@ciupenhauer 2 роки тому
I was born orthodox and fuck that church, most idol obsessed, conservative and superstitious crap
@Expatsunleashed
@Expatsunleashed 2 роки тому
@@kalebloshbough1551 Jesus was as worthless as you think you are. Probably more.
@hellwithit
@hellwithit 2 роки тому
Lier!
@cnhnx
@cnhnx 4 роки тому
Constantine VI: I hate you Mom Irene: Off with your eyes, son
@Lemsch
@Lemsch 4 роки тому
Our parents when they told us what punishment was like in their childhood.
@m00njaguar
@m00njaguar 4 роки тому
The Byzantines had a law that a blind man could not be emperor, so many claimants to the Byzantine throne were ritually blinded over the centuries in power struggles, sometimes with golden tools made especially for removing eyeballs
@theStashSmash
@theStashSmash 4 роки тому
@Boris Erdogan Ironically...it was considered a mercy by most people of the times because outright execution was deemed far worse of a sin.
@rustemzholdybalin6210
@rustemzholdybalin6210 4 роки тому
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 nah, it was just a way to seed fear, and deffo he took this example from ancient greek mythology
@allium2718
@allium2718 4 роки тому
Oh shit my mom is named Irene.
@boomerix
@boomerix 4 роки тому
Latin and Greek Christians: We will always be the greatest rivals, we will never be pissed at any other Christians more than that. Protestant Heretics: Let us introduce ourselves.....
@user-xs5te5eb3b
@user-xs5te5eb3b 4 роки тому
4th crusade
@suondilut5027
@suondilut5027 4 роки тому
Protestants of protestantism: Call a ambulance.... But not for me
@colindebourg3884
@colindebourg3884 4 роки тому
You can always rely on religion to find a reason to kill each other, dumdarsed idiots.
@alexandrub8786
@alexandrub8786 4 роки тому
@@colindebourg3884 because we all know the great leap backwards was made by religious people and not atheist commies.
@Indytelevision
@Indytelevision 4 роки тому
@@colindebourg3884 aw shut up it's human nature. We could all be athiest and I garuntee you we will be killing each other over some obscure difference
@j.d.buchanan4897
@j.d.buchanan4897 2 роки тому
Just discovered this channel. Fantastic stuff! I love history and these bite-sized, easy-to-follow videos help me add to my knowledge with practically zero effort.
@MH-ms1dg
@MH-ms1dg 2 роки тому
I think this is my favorite video from K&G. It's a very coherent and storied piece that also represents the matured style of this channel.
@theofiloskalos1650
@theofiloskalos1650 4 роки тому
Translation of greek words: Irene= peace(Ειρήνη), Nikephoros=victorious(Νικηφόρος), Hagia Sophia= Holy Wisdom(Αγία Σοφία), schism= gap/tear(σχίσμα), Thessaloniki=victory over the Thessalians(Alexander's sister name), Nicomedia=victory over the Medes(Persians)
@dimitrismihalopoulos1469
@dimitrismihalopoulos1469 4 роки тому
Θεσσαλονίκη/Thessaloniki means "victory *at* Thessaly". It was an allied force of Macedonians and Thessalians that fought there against a common enemy. And Nikephoros means "Victory bringer", not just victorious
@sarban1653
@sarban1653 3 роки тому
The Medians were Iranians but they were not Persians.
@eliaspapanikolaou3563
@eliaspapanikolaou3563 3 роки тому
@@sarban1653 yes but the Greek call the Persians ,Medes as later the Germanic s as Celts and later all the westvEuropians as Frank's
@eliaspapanikolaou3563
@eliaspapanikolaou3563 3 роки тому
And later they use to call the Huns and the slavs Scuthian s .
@champosvezast.v.4355
@champosvezast.v.4355 3 роки тому
@@dimitrismihalopoulos1469 yes, Nikiforos means the bringer of victory, literally "the one who carries the win"... But I am not sure about Thessaloniki if it was about "a victory over the Thesalians" or "a victory of the Thessalians"... The two words are Thessalon and Niki and in any case was a Makedonian victory, but can't remember, if it was the first its obvious, it's because Makedones win the Thessalous (Brothers kill Brothers) or if it is the second it must be due to a win that was given to the Macedonians due to their allied Thessalians allies... (Thessalians was back and forth being enemies and aliens of Makedonian all the time until Alexander unified all Greece)
@Conorp77
@Conorp77 4 роки тому
Kings, Generals, and Popes! You seriously need to do a series on Charlamagne!
@hazanaimon6458
@hazanaimon6458 4 роки тому
Big daddy of Europe
@mobiggcro
@mobiggcro 4 роки тому
I wouldn’t see it as a happy ending if almost all western and central european conflicts originated from charlemagne dividing his empire between his sons 😅
@culturedman1310
@culturedman1310 4 роки тому
Yes
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 4 роки тому
@@themitri5643 Basks, in the Pyrenees mountain passes killed Rolland, not Serbs...
@USERCRETE
@USERCRETE 4 роки тому
Oh yes! the fake "emperor " .
@AvoidantNomad
@AvoidantNomad 3 роки тому
Wonderfully produced and a pleasure to watch. Very, very informative. Thank you!
@richardschleenvoigt4374
@richardschleenvoigt4374 Рік тому
This is honestly the best overview and breakdown of this historical event I have ever seen. If you are a teacher in an english speaking classroom then use this!
@MegaAgamon
@MegaAgamon 4 роки тому
The schism affects us to this day. My Grandma who was half-Greek and half-German was a Catholic due to her Germanic Heritage. My Grandpa who was a Greek was Orthodox. So there was a stupid issue when they were going to marry eachother. Where would they be wed in a Catholic Church or an Orthodox Church? The couple themselves didn't care much but it was an issue with their parents. So they decided to compromise they would marry twice once in an Orthodox ceremony and once in a Catholic one. (AKA Double the cost of a wedding) Since the husband was Orthodox they decided to do the Orthodox one first. Afterward my Grandma went to the Catholic Church in Athens to plan her wedding. Upon learning that the couple were already married in an Orthodox ceremony the bishop excommunicated my Grandma on the spot. She snapped at him telling him that even Jesus didn't excommunicate the ones who put him to the cross and she was getting excommunicated because she married an Orthodox? That stunt although it impressed the bishop it wasn't enough to remove her excommunication. She died in 2014 and the Catholic Church refused to do her funeral we did it on an Orthodox one even though she wasn't an Orthodox Christian. It wasn't because she was already married since wasn't rare for couples of different faiths to marry twice. And even if it was because of the marriage not the Orthodox part the church would simply refuse to marrie them not excommunicate the woman and refuse to do her burial 50+ years later. But the sad part is our own family was split. We are not in good terms with pretty much anyone on my mom's Catholic side. And with those that we are in decent terms we barely speak to eachother at all. Personally, I believe that the Scishim is stupid it tries to use the Will of God to abuse the worshipers. The Lord said after all "Love everyone".
@vadimdon
@vadimdon 4 роки тому
Γρηγόρης Αράπης that's sad. And your grandma was right. Jesus didn't excommunicate anyone but the church feels the need to do so, what a joke
@MegaAgamon
@MegaAgamon 4 роки тому
@@vadimdon agreed, thankfully as the church gets seperated more and more from power each year one day we all go back to being a single faith that praises the Lord for his love.
@theemirofjaffa2266
@theemirofjaffa2266 4 роки тому
Sorry to say so but your family is so living in the middle ages. Perhaps they need to chill and keep up
@MegaAgamon
@MegaAgamon 4 роки тому
@@miliba *grandparents
@MegaAgamon
@MegaAgamon 4 роки тому
@@theemirofjaffa2266 Don't worry most folks are normal XD Also there are some bad relatives on either side.
@cultusdeus
@cultusdeus 4 роки тому
"Irene gouged out her son's eyes, becoming the sole ruler." A mother's tender love! (sniff, sniff)
@ByzantineCalvinist
@ByzantineCalvinist 4 роки тому
Μάνα μου!
@lordlucius1341
@lordlucius1341 4 роки тому
s nah man he didn’t knock when he walked into her room on accident and he gouged his own eyes out
@BSKX17
@BSKX17 4 роки тому
she didn't want her son to see the ugly world of politics. she was protecting him
@informitas0117
@informitas0117 3 роки тому
" you have your mother's eyes.. no wait, other way around.
@EmptyMan000
@EmptyMan000 2 роки тому
@@BSKX17 Making him a priest was not an option?
@jonathanherring2113
@jonathanherring2113 3 роки тому
The filioque controversy had less to do with an actual disagreement in how the east and west percieved the spirit of God, and more to do with changing what was at the time already an ancient creed. Essentially the western roman church added a clarification statement to the nicene creed and the eastern roman church was upset that the west was making changes to ancient creeds without the patriarchs permission. Could be wrong but that's what i've heard at least.
@delgande
@delgande 2 роки тому
It was all about politics/authority disputes
@MotionWatch-ik2vn
@MotionWatch-ik2vn Рік тому
The Orthodox Church sees it as a false addition that disrupts the previous understanding of the Holy Trinity
@georgemarkakis9552
@georgemarkakis9552 Рік тому
Actually, the Filioque addition to the Creed is not considered ecumenical since the Western church made the changes unilaterally and without the Eastern church involvement ( by définition non-ecumenical). Thus, the Orthodox stick to the original Nicean Creed without the Filioque which is how the last ecumenical council left it (where it was agreed upon by all).
@CatholicChats
@CatholicChats Рік тому
@@georgemarkakis9552 Actually the Orthodox use the amended Nicene Creed which they clarified in 381 at the Council of Constantinople of which no western bishop was present…
@hermespsychopompos4615
@hermespsychopompos4615 Рік тому
It's always this. Western heathens always wanted changes as per their wims of the time.
@lotz871
@lotz871 3 роки тому
Very well presented! Extremely detailed and quick information though I had to watch this a few times to absorb it all.
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 4 роки тому
"... had conquered the Saxons and the Avars, introducing these pagan people to the faith of the Roman Church." - well, that's a diplomatic way of putting it, lol!
@brucecampbell6578
@brucecampbell6578 4 роки тому
You are sentient. All pay tribute to Rome or the legion will be at the door. The battle for rights of Roman tribute between the Greeks and Latins could be called the two thousand year war. Likely the Forth Crusade did not settle the issue completely amicable to the Papacy. The dollar sufficient evidence of our continued Roman indenture.
@SAMI-gc1hx
@SAMI-gc1hx 4 роки тому
Forceful conversion is the more appropriate word
@ramichahin2
@ramichahin2 4 роки тому
the catholic church murdered all the Christians who didn't follow in it's idolatry and false doctrines... they murdered millions of True Believers as well, not only pagans.... that church is well known for it's murderous ways.
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 4 роки тому
rami chahin millions? Idolatry? My friend I’m gonna need some numbers because you Protestants haven’t exactly been too nice either, the Kulturkampf of Germany, persecution in England and its colonies, revolutionary France, Salem witch trials, my friend we’ve killed way fewer than millions, you people and your fanatic asceticism is fine, sure, but calling us idolatrous is foolish
@brucecampbell6578
@brucecampbell6578 4 роки тому
@@ramichahin2 What is a pagan except he who does not subscribe to Roman idolatry? I say anthropomorphism is degenerate spirituality. For that matter, Capitalism is commodification of life or nature or God for personal aggrandizement. Capitalism is usury in fact and the worship of Moloch in practice. Spirit is beyond form or species or sex or time. We may check with our own for the truth of this. The art of man has no life of its own. Nor do his books or languages.
@alexb4587
@alexb4587 4 роки тому
As an Orthodox, I was hesitant clicking the video, but great job being impartial and covering pertinent facts!
@markuhler2664
@markuhler2664 4 роки тому
Am Catholic, I was impressed too (& in fact thought there were a couple of places the wording tilted to far west).
@IapetusStag
@IapetusStag 4 роки тому
It's missing the details on how Pope St. Leo III resisted the Filoque, and this video still holds on to the traditional 1054 as completely factual. Etc etc
@alexb4587
@alexb4587 4 роки тому
Ferrer Mihkael I agree 1054 isn’t exactly right but it is when the first excommunications and anathemas were thrown around West vs East, mainly due to personal dislike. However they did show the importance of 1204 as the final nail in the coffin that split them from the commoners to hierarchs.
@alexb4587
@alexb4587 4 роки тому
Mark Uhler To be expected but I’ve seen textbooks actually denouncing the East as wrong so I’ll gladly take this :)
@rustsquirrel2976
@rustsquirrel2976 4 роки тому
I am Russian Orthodox
@albanian9374
@albanian9374 3 роки тому
Though being Muslim but such division saddens me. I'm from Albania and I can still feel this division where Catholic and Orthodox Albanians have always argued against each other due to their differences and Orthodox Albanians have sometimes been blamed as Serbian/Greek/Macedonian agents though I view them as Albanians. The two churches need to settle their differences.
@vasiliskaranos605
@vasiliskaranos605 2 роки тому
By settle differences, I hope you mean the Pope removing the doctrines of Papal supremacy, infallibility, filioque, immaculate conception, purgatory, and penal substitution. Because true faith and objective truth can’t compromise and contradict itself for the sake of resolving differences.
@nadim0309
@nadim0309 2 роки тому
historians always forget that during the first caliphate there was one eastern christian territory that was never converted which is Mount. Lebanon. Proud to be a Maronite
@Damo2690
@Damo2690 2 роки тому
There were several
@summergram
@summergram 4 роки тому
Give credit to those who carefully noted everything so that we could learn about it more than 1000 years later for free
@otgunz
@otgunz 4 роки тому
Thanks for watching!
@chum3192
@chum3192 2 роки тому
Proverbs 22:3 "A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished." Take heed to this truth, or if you reject it as "conspiracy" or "craziness" you will suffer the consequences. "Popery Puseyism Jesuitism" By Luigi Desanctis Page 140: At what, then, do the Jesuits aim? According to them, they only seek the greater glory of God; but if you examine the facts you will find that they aim at universal dominion alone. They have rendered themselves indispensable to the Pope, who, without them, could not exist, because Catholicism is identified with them. They have rendered themselves indispensable to governors and hold revolutions in their hands; and in this way, either under one name or another, it is they who rule the world, who have reduced it to such perversion of ideas, that he can neither be a good citizen nor a good Catholic who is not a Jesuit. Page 139: He who thinks he knows the Jesuits by having read all the books that were written in the past century to unmask them, would be grossly deceived. The Jesuitism of that day was an open war against the Gospel and society; the Jesuitism of the present day is a slow but contagious and deadly disease, which secretly insinuates itself; it is a poison taken under the name of medicine. "History of the Jesuits: their origin, progress, doctrines, and designs" 1854 By Nicolini, G. B. (Giovanni Battista) Page 39: take the Jesuit for what he ought or appears to be, and you commit the greatest of blunders. Draw the character after what the Jesuit seems to be in London, and you will not recognize your portrait in the Jesuit of Rome. The Jesuit is the man of circumstances. Despotic in Spain, constitutional in England, republican in Paraguay, bigot in Rome, idolater in India, he shall assume and act out in his own person, with admirable flexibility, all those different features by which men are usually to be distinguished from each other. He will accompany the gay woman of the world to the theatre, and will share in the excesses of the debauchee. With solemn countenance, he will take his place by the side of the religious man at church, and he will revel in the tavern with the glutton and the sot. He dresses, in all garbs, speaks all languages, knows all customs, is present everywhere though nowhere recognized-and all this, it should seem (O monstrous blasphemy!), for the greater glory of God Page 82: [Jesuit] Father Francis Pelhco... candidly confesses that " the many illustrious friends of the Society, prelates, orators, learned and distinguished men of every description, the supporters of the Society, remain occult, and obliged to be silent.'' "The Jesuits in History" by Hector MacPherson Page 148: Danger lies in the fact that since the Vatican Council the interests of both are identical. Jesuitism is the power behind the Papal throne. “The presence of the Jesuits in any country, Romanist or Protestant,” once remarked Lord Palmerston, “ is likely to breed social disturbance.” So hurtful was the Jesuit Order found to be that, up to 1860, it was expelled no fewer than seventy times from countries which has suffered from its machinations... In spite of Continental warnings, England, in the name of a spurious toleration, has become a Jesuit dumping-ground. Those whom other countries have found from sad experience to be enemies, Britain allows to land on her shores, and to carry on unmolested their work of iniquity. We are carrying toleration to excess, and unless there is a change of policy, this nation will one day pay a heavy penalty. If we wish to escape the penalty, we must come to realize that a system which enslaves the individual, fosters superstition, is at war with patriotism and destroys morality, will, if allowed to flourish unchecked, sooner or later destroy society. "The Jesuits in History" 1914 by Hector MacPherson Page 122: In order to clearness of thought in dealing with this subject, it is well to note the distinction between Roman Catholicism and the Papacy. The former has to do mainly with religion. It rests upon the theological doctrines which Protestants believe to be erroneous. There are Roman Catholics who take their religion but not their politics from the Pope. Had the Roman Catholic Church remained a purely religious organisation like any other sect, the world would have been spared centuries of evil. But in the course of its development the Romish Church, through its Popes, entered the civil sphere and aspired to universal monarchy. "The Vatican Against Europe" 1993 by Edmond Paris Page 308: In the future, as in the past, she (The Catholic Church) will inexorably move towards the end she has set herself, without the slightest thought for the ruins and the catastrophes that her unwearying pursuit might be causing. "The end justifies the means". "No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the Vatican's part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. "The Secret History Of The Jesuits" 1975 by Edmond Paris Page 7: The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the start of the two world wars-a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict. Page -163-164: But let us see, first, how an especially "authorized" personality, Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ, expressly confirmed the collusion between the Vatican and the nazis. According to "Reforme", this is what the press of the Spanish dictator (Franco) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death: ... "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits", said Hitler... "Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organisation of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organisation into my own party... I am going to let you in on a secret... I am founding an Order... In my "Burgs" of the Order, we will raise up a youth which will make the world tremble... Hitler then stopped, saying that he couldn't say any more.."(108) "Swarms of Locusts: The Jesuit attack on the Faith" 2002 by Michael Bunker Page 12: There is a conspiracy against Christendom.... But who are Satan’s agents in this conspiracy? The “agents” are the Jesuits. Even though the Jesuits exude vast influence and control in the areas of theology, education, recorded history and current media, I am still perplexed that virtually no literature exists exposing the Jesuit’s influence on mainline Protestantism. This is what makes “Swarms of Locusts” such a necessary book. In this work, the author uncovers forgotten history regarding the cooperative salvation theology of the Jesuits. The author then builds upon these historical truths and clearly exposes how the Jesuits (and their cooperative redemption theology) have permeated all denominations of the Protestant Church. From Cain to Charles Finney, this book historically connects-the-dots and undeniably proves that modem Protestantism has abandoned the Doctrines of Grace and embraced the doctrines of cooperative salvation.
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 роки тому
So this channel is Kings, Generals and Cardinals now
@patrick9876
@patrick9876 4 роки тому
And those called “the Short”, “the Great”, and so forth
@dzakysastra
@dzakysastra 4 роки тому
@@patrick9876 not the terrible though 🙅‍♂️
@emperoripmgproductions3150
@emperoripmgproductions3150 4 роки тому
Could that be Exeter from Azur Lane?
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 роки тому
@@emperoripmgproductions3150 yes
@TheCookieGamer523
@TheCookieGamer523 4 роки тому
@Lord Voldemort Caesar is what the German word for King (Kaizer) derives from. The Holy Roman Empire was a germanised continuation of Rome so it makes sense really.
@stpaulphillip
@stpaulphillip Рік тому
This is the best explanation of this event I’ve ever encountered. Thank you.
@jeffmarlatt6538
@jeffmarlatt6538 3 роки тому
Great video. Quite informative. Keep up the good work.
@user-vh6gw1hr6c
@user-vh6gw1hr6c 4 роки тому
I love learning about the history of Christianity :) It was thanks to the Greeks that my nation of Bulgaria converted to Christianity and it was a combined Bulgarian and Greek effort that successfully converted the future Russian. This is why a lot of Slavic names actually have Greek origins.
@iggyfitzsimmons1168
@iggyfitzsimmons1168 4 роки тому
cough* Rus conversion
@DVXDemetrivs
@DVXDemetrivs 4 роки тому
It seems to me that the Bulgarians overestimate their role in the formation of Russia a bit, the fact that we became Christians is mainly the merit of the Greeks, with whom the future tsars almost completely tried to copy the state system
@user-vh6gw1hr6c
@user-vh6gw1hr6c 3 роки тому
@@DVXDemetrivs Interesting! Can you point me to some sources so that I can learn more about this? :)
@DVXDemetrivs
@DVXDemetrivs 3 роки тому
@@ikipemiko Are you talking about the alphabet for which the citizens of Byzantium of Slavic origin were paid for in an organization entirely owned by the Greeks? no one says that the whole world watches Russian TV because an important part of this invention belongs to Zvorykin.
@melvinjansen2338
@melvinjansen2338 2 роки тому
Artem
@paradox7358
@paradox7358 4 роки тому
17:08 *"The grim end of this tale is already well known to many."* Don't, it's too soon 😔
@Fulllife3.2
@Fulllife3.2 4 роки тому
It's been over 800 years...
@bogdan3386
@bogdan3386 4 роки тому
@@coolthief8375 yeah, the Balkan region is probably the most divided region in the world, full of biased people with some of the most conflicted ideas, worldview and ethnical disputes and just bitter hate towards each other
@bogdan3386
@bogdan3386 4 роки тому
@@coolthief8375 it's also weird how the Ottoman occupation brought some form of unity in the Balkans between Christians no matter the doctrine but after the Turks disappeared that unity disappeared with them. Also I said those things about the Balkans because I live in the region and the people are wild.
@Tavromachos
@Tavromachos 4 роки тому
@@coolthief8375 Also quiet a lot of people in Russia. Almoust got Constantinople in 1878, still feeling bad about "almoust" part.
@RoberttheWise
@RoberttheWise 4 роки тому
Where is Rome? *points to map* Where is Moscow? *points to map* Where is Constantinople? *points to own heart*
@abeddani992
@abeddani992 2 роки тому
Thanks for this informative video, keep doing this on historical topics
@aloyalcatholic5785
@aloyalcatholic5785 2 роки тому
A fairly well balanced portrayal of the divide between the sides of Christianity. Obviously this is fraught with complex history and theology and I feel like it was well done in relatively brief way.
@mayjeganmogan4514
@mayjeganmogan4514 4 роки тому
imagine if irene had married charlemagne! how different would today's europe be?
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 4 роки тому
The Roman Empire might still be standing today. Frankish muscle combined with Greek science and intellectualism would create for a potent combination. They may even be able to beat back the Muslims.
@sanjak689
@sanjak689 4 роки тому
HolyknightVader999 no lol.
@EJ160E
@EJ160E 4 роки тому
Stopped by an impotent eunuch...thanks Obama 🙄🙄🙄
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 4 роки тому
@@sanjak689 Yes lol.
@PhoenixKyuketsuki
@PhoenixKyuketsuki 4 роки тому
DUDE, I was literally sitting here like....that ball-less son of a bitch literally deprived us of the world's most badass power couple, im so fuckin mad!!!!! They would have been BOSS!!!!
@ricardoguanipa8275
@ricardoguanipa8275 4 роки тому
cant wait for the for the Schism Part 2: Lutheran Bugaloo
@useodyseeorbitchute9450
@useodyseeorbitchute9450 4 роки тому
Western schism: Am I a joke to you??? ;)
@bvdemier1
@bvdemier1 4 роки тому
MOM, LUTHER IS NAILING SOMETHING TO THE DOOR AGAIN!!
@Harshhaze
@Harshhaze 4 роки тому
@@bvdemier1 Martin Luther King day
@MasterMalrubius
@MasterMalrubius 4 роки тому
@@bvdemier1 I think they were feces.
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 4 роки тому
"That's bullshit, this whole thing is bullshit. That's a scam, fuck the church. Here's 95 reasons why." -Martin Luther
@DaveTheTurd
@DaveTheTurd Рік тому
Excellent.... thank you for the efforts you exercised in creating this essay. I look forward to checking out the rest of your content. +sub
@persona83
@persona83 Рік тому
Great documentary and beautiful artwork. Not to mention the narration, pleasant voice and pace. Thank you!
@charlescook5542
@charlescook5542 4 роки тому
"normans living peaceful lives" that statement is not possible
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 4 роки тому
"Oh, you know... just following orders from our bastard king..." -Sincerely, a Norman soldier
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933
@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 4 роки тому
@Hoàng Nguyên That's pretty offensive
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 4 роки тому
@Hoàng Nguyên Well it's okay then since they weren't vikings. That's probably why they actually brought something to england (mainly architectural techniques) . Italy is another matter though I admit.
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 4 роки тому
@Hoàng Nguyên "Norman" in 1050 just meant "inhabitants of Normandy", which only had a small portion of scandinavian blood (since the frankish locals in Normandy have always been the majority), and which completely discarded scandinavian culture, so much that most didn't speak norse at all, just old french. William the conqueror itself had very few viking ancestors compared with the overwhelming majority of frankish ancestors. And by "frankish", I also mean what it meant at the time, not the germanic tribe of the 500s. Normans and vikings were as close as germans and french. Not that close. And btw Celtic people (Irish, Scot...) aren't Germanic, that's a different ethnicity. Russians are also a different ethnicity: Slav. It's just that historically the Rus' of kiev was kick started by scandinavians (which indeed are germanic).
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 4 роки тому
@Hoàng Nguyên You're wrong. Celtic people are celtic people, slavs are slavs, germanic people are germanic people. Different ethnic groups historically speaking. Franks in 1050 mainly meant people from western frankia (not the former germanic tribe 5 centuries earlier), historians generally call them french already because in that west part they were already french culturally speaking (but they called themselves the franks). People in western frankia were for a large part from Gaulish ancestry (thus mainly Celtic), mixed with Germanic migrations (and a bit of roman migrations) throughout history. Frankish or french society was thus mixed, you can't consider french people strictly germanic, just a part. The normans consequently added to that mix. Historically, the meaning of terms just depend on what era you're talking about. For example before the 900s "Norman" was indeed just the name of the vikings (the way french people called them, all of them). But once Rollo was given a duchy which was named Normandy and swear fealty to the king of France, Normans were the people that lived in the duchy of Normandy, a totally different thing. Then in one century and half, they totally assimilated to the locals of that region.
@danielanthony256
@danielanthony256 4 роки тому
As a Catholic I have nothing but love for my Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters. I listen to eastern religious chanting and love the Byzantine Empire.
@tr1084
@tr1084 4 роки тому
The Jesus Prayer is one of the greatest gifts they've given.
@user-jd3vs6ju2y
@user-jd3vs6ju2y 4 роки тому
daniel you should pay a visit to agios oros in the third leg of chalkidiki
@user-xs5te5eb3b
@user-xs5te5eb3b 4 роки тому
your ancestors didnt so that doesnt count
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 4 роки тому
Star Star they may be schismatic but don’t let it stop one from loving the Byzantines, with enough time the east and west WILL be brought back together.
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 4 роки тому
@Syed Ahmed east west schism, Greek orthodoxy is considered the east
@joshygoldiem_j2799
@joshygoldiem_j2799 Рік тому
Can't help but think Kings and Generals and Knowledgia did a collab on this subject, they've each covered the historical and theological background of the schism respectively and the two videos complement each other so well.
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 Рік тому
WOW! What a fact packed 20 minutes! I'll have to watch this a few more times! Thank you!
@msherif428
@msherif428 4 роки тому
"There's no such thing as toxic femininity." Irene: Hold my son's eyes
@dangelotringali7527
@dangelotringali7527 4 роки тому
And some people say that's sexist. She's why I'm Catholic.
@larrysilverstein8606
@larrysilverstein8606 4 роки тому
Anastasia B you are the only idiot here
@DaveGIS123
@DaveGIS123 4 роки тому
"There's no such thing as toxic femininity." Nobody talks about Athaliah, queen of Judah (841-835 BC) who seized the throne after the death of her son King Ahaziah, killed her rivals, and established Baal worship in Judah. "When Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she proceeded to destroy the whole royal family of the house of Judah." (2 Chronicles 22: 10).
@zxil6
@zxil6 4 роки тому
I'm sure toxic femininity exists, but that's not an example of it.
@kyarden7971
@kyarden7971 4 роки тому
So when Ivan the Terrible killed his son, Constantine “the Great” killed his wife and son, Süleyman killed several of his sons was not a toxic masculinity, but when Irene did it it suddenly is. It’s funny how some men today are so afraid of women in history doing what men in history also did. Laughable...
@Gabriel-ip6me
@Gabriel-ip6me 4 роки тому
Dude the problem with Irene was not that "women were unfit to rule". Though not an usual thing, women could (and did) hold temporal power if the situation required it. They could not however (and still can't) hold positions of power in the Church. The title of Emperor was different to every other one. The Emperor was the supreme sovereign of Christendom. It was both a temporal and spiritual office. Byzantium could be rule by a woman, Christendom couldn't.
@derekk.2263
@derekk.2263 4 роки тому
Keep in mind too that there were loads of queens who did most of the major decision making through their husband, they basically just told the king what to say.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 4 роки тому
it did work when the Eastern Empire was dominant as the Patriarch was serving the Emperor or Empress
@Gabriel-ip6me
@Gabriel-ip6me 4 роки тому
@@derekk.2263 "Loads" is an exaggeration. Medieval times were brutal and women received little to no education. Also, contrary to modern belief, the vast majority of queens were happy just being wives and didn't have any political aspirations. You do have examples of queens being more influential than their husbands, but it's a rare thing and only really started happening with the Renaissance, once women started receiving some education and the world got less brutal.
@INoticeTooMuch1
@INoticeTooMuch1 4 роки тому
@Derek K. Examples? I’ll wait....
@INoticeTooMuch1
@INoticeTooMuch1 4 роки тому
@One Two that’s bullshit. What survey is this? The churches have a good 5-15% of abuse amongst their clergymen (employees) just like most other organizations. It just gets way more scrutiny bc of who they are and what they are supposed to represent. Btw studies say 100% of people named One Two on UKposts like men. See how that works?
@dimitris1303
@dimitris1303 2 роки тому
Congratulations guys! You keep surprising me! Historically accurate and well presented videos. About this story, its useful to say that many historian believe that the real schism between the two peoples, was occured when the crusaders sacked Constantinople. The hubris of sacking the first christian capital, the city of God, was the decisive moment that pushed Orthodox Greeks away from Catholics, for good.
@Jimboken1
@Jimboken1 Рік тому
Excellent overview. Thank you! Your effort is very much appreciated.
@theDHC
@theDHC 4 роки тому
"For the first time since antiquity there were 2 Roman emperors" Well yes, but actually no
@fcalvaresi
@fcalvaresi 4 роки тому
TheDHC well actually only one of them was welcome in Rome.
@fcalvaresi
@fcalvaresi 4 роки тому
@@zarni000 I mean Charlemagne did have control of Rome, the papacy was a puppet state to the Franks.
@fcalvaresi
@fcalvaresi 4 роки тому
Christian Trevisan I wonder if you can bring something else than your despise.
@histguy101
@histguy101 4 роки тому
I don't believe he was meant to be a "2nd Emperor" or a competing emperor. He was declared the "true successor" to Constantine V, the son of Irene. Competing Emperors didn't come around until Otto.
@cadr003
@cadr003 4 роки тому
@@paulmayson3129 While ultimately correct about their power coming from Augustan succession, the role of Christianity in the coronation of Roman emperors (and all European monarchs since) has been vital since the 500s. We can't ignore that the role of Emperor had become more than a secular position, but an important Christian one by then. And as a Christian, he was a spiritual subject to the Church.
@ACGreyhound04
@ACGreyhound04 3 роки тому
I have a unique perspective on the division between the Orthodox and Catholic churches, since it could be said that I have one foot in each cultural world. My mom is Greek Orthodox, while my dad is Irish Catholic. I was raised and baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church, of which I am still a proud member, but my secondary, undergraduate and graduate education was at Catholic schools, run by the Xaverian and Jesuit orders. This video provides a very good summary of the events surrounding the schism between the churches
@ahmetcelik2220
@ahmetcelik2220 Рік тому
You should become Muslim :)
@lunarlad8075
@lunarlad8075 Рік тому
beta dad
@Orthodoxi
@Orthodoxi Рік тому
Other than a few things like the fact the Orthodox Church would never agree that the pope was ever the sole power. The Church was, is and always will be the sole power. Though the fact there may be many scattered true Christians outside of it, the Orthodox Church was, is and will be to the end, the only true remnant of the Church God gifted to us. With His son Christ as the head under the Holy Spirit. Of course.
@fritzvenezia9338
@fritzvenezia9338 Рік тому
@@Orthodoxi I'm a Catholic but the Orthodox priests in my country use the succession of Peter as a symbol of the supremacy of the bishop of Rome in settling the Ecumenical councils. The reason why Protestants still don't overwhelm the churches of Christ (Apostolic), are because of 1. The legitimacy of Ecumenical Councils, and 2. The apostolic succession. Who is there to say that we can settle an Ecumenical council and settle it? Is it a democracy or not? Yes they chose who will replace Judas, but that's it. The rest supports the claims of the bishop of Rome, which succeeds from Peter. If you'll deny that the bishop of Rome descended from Peter, then you might as well deny the validity of the Ecumenical councils. There is a reason why Jesus gave keys to Peter referencing explicitly to Eliakim in Isaiah 22:22. Even if you read what Ireneus and various early Christian scholars noted the supremacy of the bishop of Rome. Israel was once ruled by many Judges, but there is an existing blueprint that Judah will be the kingdom. It existed there in the scriptures for so long. Back then they only see what is good in their own eyes, but when they become a kingdom, it is not also immediately accepted, they even went to civil war, to banishment, to enslavement, until they realize that it is true that Judah in all of the tribes is all along the sole authority despite being written there in the scriptures for so long. The same thing you can keep arguing now. Any Orthodox or Protestants of today can do councils upon councils that they wanted to, and keep on splitting, but if they don't trace where their roots are, and which authority was actually given to, the church would be shaky at its core. We Catholics don't even curse the Orthodox church, we see it as a part of the true original Catholic and Apostolic church that Jesus Christ made, that Ignatius the disciple of John mentioned as early as 1st century AD. But it is the Orthodox who claims that they are the "Only" church, and by saying so, gives also legitimacy to the "Lutherans and Anglicans" who traces their roots to the Apostles through the apostate priests who broke off from the Church and then used the Apostolic succession as their reasoning, mixed with blasphemy and protestantism against the Church. Check out why the top intellectuals and scholars from Protestantism converts to Catholicism of all the Apostolic churches existing. People like Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Cameroon, and so on.
@BOREDANDWELLBORED
@BOREDANDWELLBORED Рік тому
@@Orthodoxi so Jesus words don't count? Peter you are my rock and upon my rock I will build my church? This is just a quick summary but the inevitable division by the East was material possession by emperors to inherit and hand over to their bloodline while the Pope is voted in and replaceable. On paper at least. The same case with the reformation of King Henry. Listen as a Asian man short brown and poor I never envy anyone's wealth because I understand that envy is the result of wanting to be in their place. In other words envious people are mad at handsome and rich people because they want to be them... What I'm trying to say is somebody has to be above you in this life and you have to learn to live with that because God is above you after you die. The Pope was put there by Jesus to be above emperor's Kings and all leaders. If the pope is bad he will be replaced.
@tengkualiff
@tengkualiff Рік тому
As a muslim, this is great insight about other's religions. Thanks!
@bruhmcchaddeus413
@bruhmcchaddeus413 Рік тому
U just gotta understand that there was no orthodoxy before 1000s lol romans followed catholism
@urmwhynot
@urmwhynot Рік тому
Christianity and Islam both stem from Abraham
@greekpimp77
@greekpimp77 Рік тому
NO WE are Catholic. Orthodox Catholic. The west became Roman Catholic. Pope John Paul admitted that BOTH can claim apostolic succession and they are like lungs. Left Lung and Right Lung.
@daniellteif8017
@daniellteif8017 Рік тому
@@bruhmcchaddeus413 I think you missed the point of this video
@Steph-sk3xb
@Steph-sk3xb Рік тому
If you want to learn about the religion, I’d recommend reading the New Testament. Old Testament/Torah is important to read first though, a study bible is a good tool for that.
@rogersledz6793
@rogersledz6793 Рік тому
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
@ryannguyen7466
@ryannguyen7466 3 роки тому
Roman Empire: The Original Eastern Roman Empire: The Sequel Fascist Italy: The Sequel Nobody Wanted Holy Roman Empire: The one that ruined the original. Ottoman Empire: The bad spinoff. Russian Empire: The weird fanfiction. Alexander's Empire: The short lived prequel.
@user-wu3qn4dq2s
@user-wu3qn4dq2s 3 роки тому
They are both original. If anything the west betrayed the east more than once and continue to betray today...
@albertocruzado2899
@albertocruzado2899 3 роки тому
Spanish Empire: the cult classic film that took good note from the original, it is currently mainly forgotten by mainstream and normies, but everyone in his time took inspiration from or tried to copy or steal.
@skhan1992
@skhan1992 3 роки тому
How was the Ottoman empire a bad spinoff? They ruled for over 600 years and essentially had hegemonic rule for over 300. They also achieved a a land mass equivalent to the Roman Empire with a larger population.
@skhan1992
@skhan1992 3 роки тому
@Valentina Nightingale Well said 👍
@Alberto_Gomez
@Alberto_Gomez 3 роки тому
@@skhan1992 Yeah, if you wanna call sand "a land mass equivalent to the Roman Empire", by all means go ahead. It's a bad spinoff.
@bubastis6306
@bubastis6306 4 роки тому
The art in these videos is gorgeous. Love the illustrations for the different leaders.
@otgunz
@otgunz 4 роки тому
thanks for watching!
@davidk5954
@davidk5954 3 роки тому
@@otgunz are you the artist?
@a.h.tvideomapping4293
@a.h.tvideomapping4293 3 роки тому
David k I think
@KillerCadaver
@KillerCadaver Рік тому
This is one of the greatest videos I have ever seen! Thank you for this.
@MelaniesManicures
@MelaniesManicures Рік тому
As a new Catholic convert I appreciated this video. I never understand the schism. I pray for reunification, because I know Christ wants all Christians to be united.
@GigaChadlovesandcares
@GigaChadlovesandcares Рік тому
In the bible it mentions there only being one Church for all Christians, humans never learn to be honest.
@MelaniesManicures
@MelaniesManicures Рік тому
@@GigaChadlovesandcares I agree about there only being one Church.
@Coraxiom
@Coraxiom Рік тому
The body of Christ is made up of each individual member that follows Christ. And the "church" is the multitude, or congregation, of the body of Christ. "22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way." Ephesians 1:22-23
@Dragons_Armory
@Dragons_Armory 4 роки тому
Freaking love the artworks man- there aren'e enough good Early Christian slash "Dark Age" European artworks out there and I for one absolutely love the quality of the works featured here! 🙏🙏🙏
@noahkidd3359
@noahkidd3359 4 роки тому
Honestly whoever did the art did a fantastic job... some of their best art yet
@shorewall
@shorewall 4 роки тому
Empress Irene was looking good! :D
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 Рік тому
This is like Game of Thrones: Church Edition!
@DavidBenson2
@DavidBenson2 4 роки тому
I'd totally watch a show about this from the eastern perspective.
@fotischaronis4597
@fotischaronis4597 3 роки тому
If you can see the easterns has as a political status the Democracy. The westerns has the monarchy of the kings!Completely deferential world's!!depression against freedom.
@christophed8429
@christophed8429 3 роки тому
Technically, they still have not really reconciled with each other even though some strides have been made. In order to tell this story from a certain perspective, it would offend the other side. I do agree with you though that it would make for great tv.
@bojanstare8667
@bojanstare8667 3 роки тому
@@fotischaronis4597 Not really democracy. They have slaves.
@arealisticexpectationpera
@arealisticexpectationpera 3 роки тому
@@fotischaronis4597 then hegemony versus hierarchy?
@fotischaronis4597
@fotischaronis4597 3 роки тому
@@bojanstare8667 sure !depend the period
@castleofmusic7469
@castleofmusic7469 2 роки тому
Absolutely stunning video !!! Thank you 🙏❤️🙏
@d0g_0f_Christ0s
@d0g_0f_Christ0s 3 роки тому
Thank you so very much for this brief but informative, gem of church history. Gem as in 'valuable' not 'the beauty of war'. The search for truth never ends, again, thank you for this contribution.
@reidmaxwell8874
@reidmaxwell8874 4 роки тому
Imagine if Charlemagne had actually married Irene. Wow. That would be incredible.
@ramichahin2
@ramichahin2 4 роки тому
He did a smart call, that woman plucked out her owns son's eyes... Would you want to marry a woman that ruthless and cold?
@darrynmurphy2038
@darrynmurphy2038 4 роки тому
The East Roman nobility would never accept him as an imperial consort , never mind co-ruler. Irene was likely menopausal by that age, so it's unlikely they would have children, and even if they had imperial blood was no concrete guarantee to being Basileus (being half barbarian would be an obstacle). It's doubtful as well that Louis the Pious would want to share his kingdom with an infant half brother, as Frankish law dictated. Charlemagne only lived to 814 as well, so any child between the imperial couple would be 14 at the oldest by that point. It's a fascinating idea to think about, but I doubt it would've had a long lasting effect, certainly not one past the half century mark
@TonyMacFarlane
@TonyMacFarlane 4 роки тому
It would kind of be like if Donald Trump married Angela Merkel, if Charlemagne had been an ignorant lout with all the intellectual acumen of a hedgehog.
@Kopite4life12
@Kopite4life12 4 роки тому
Not really. The Byzantine court would not have tolerated a Western barbarian calling the shots! It's more likely Irene would have been overthrown than an heir inheriting the Byzantine and Frankish realms!
@rayzas4885
@rayzas4885 4 роки тому
Tony MacFarlane lol comparing Charlemagne to any current leader is an insult to Charlemagne
@oreste8570
@oreste8570 4 роки тому
If Irine was exiled to Lesbos, this means she technically became a Lesbian.
@andrewforte3852
@andrewforte3852 4 роки тому
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@ata-urrehman6842
@ata-urrehman6842 4 роки тому
Lesbosian*
@oreste8570
@oreste8570 4 роки тому
@@ata-urrehman6842 yeah, like Cyprusian
@irbis_rosh
@irbis_rosh 4 роки тому
Best. Comment. On. The. Net!
@gregoryjones9546
@gregoryjones9546 4 роки тому
LOL!!! 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@21TheRonin
@21TheRonin 3 роки тому
Gotta love how the Bulgarians are casually sitting on the sidelines, grabbing land whenever the Romans aren't paying attention.
@cpt7752
@cpt7752 2 роки тому
We even conquered all of Greece... Wish we could turn back time, to the good old days..
@lupinthe4th400
@lupinthe4th400 3 роки тому
It wasn't a conflict between the Churches of Rome and Constantinole but between: The East: - Constantinople - Alexandria - Antioch - Jerusalem vs The West: - Rome In other words, Rome left the union, not the other way around. Also, "first-among-equals" isn't identical to one man deciding alone for the Church. Not to mention the artificial late addition of filioque, papal supremacy etc. Social impact should be distinguished as a separate issue, not identical to doctrinal issues, which are more crucial for maintining the correct belief (Orthodox in Greek).
@RickJaeger
@RickJaeger 2 роки тому
Social, cultural, and political differences are the main reason the Schism has persisted. There were multiple attempts at repairing the relationship over the ensuing centuries, but power struggles, miscommunications, and eventually a complete lack of interest on both sides in giving anything up have caused the doctrinal issues at the heart of the split to grow and become intractable problems, instead of solvable ones.
@genghiskhan5701
@genghiskhan5701 Рік тому
Rome pretty much won in this case
@lupinthe4th400
@lupinthe4th400 Рік тому
@@genghiskhan5701 those who altered the Creed?
@skyyywarppp428
@skyyywarppp428 Рік тому
Rome is still Christian and The East was conquered by muslims.
@lupinthe4th400
@lupinthe4th400 Рік тому
@@skyyywarppp428 that's a dumb argument, for: 1) territotrial expansion is completely irrelevant to the validity of dogma. 2) the Patriarchates exist to this day.
@DarkImplement
@DarkImplement 4 роки тому
So instead of marrying Charlemagne, Irene went full Lesbo
@timax4114
@timax4114 3 роки тому
WGTOW
@claytonshepherd
@claytonshepherd 2 роки тому
Thankyou for this . I never understood why the 2 Churches were split. Great video. Cheers.
@brettsh.2545
@brettsh.2545 Рік тому
This channel is so well done.
@jreiland07
@jreiland07 4 роки тому
Where my Orthodox brothers at ☦️🇬🇷
@jreiland07
@jreiland07 4 роки тому
Γεια σας!
@sethl7078
@sethl7078 4 роки тому
👌
@CygnusStarz
@CygnusStarz 4 роки тому
Hey Hey ! Some of my family also Catholic. My two older sisters were Catholic. Former Orthodox Alterboy. Church name Yakov
@steparsteparest1121
@steparsteparest1121 4 роки тому
🇧🇬🇧🇾🇬🇪🇬🇷🇲🇩🇲🇪🇷🇴🇷🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦 here
@arturo7036
@arturo7036 4 роки тому
Estonian Orthodox here 🇪🇪☦️
@ash8207
@ash8207 4 роки тому
I really love how you guys take a complex subject like this, simplify it & make it quite entertaining & fun to watch. Well done!
@andrewmcandrew7642
@andrewmcandrew7642 Рік тому
Shout out to not only this channel but also the dedicated camera men 🎥 they have in their employment who can travel back in time to show us the map of these things
@rcdcrichard
@rcdcrichard 3 роки тому
18:43 I respect you for mostly staying true to the EU IV map colors.
@pradhanawibisono2432
@pradhanawibisono2432 4 роки тому
I love how they subtly used CK-II music
@mustanaamiotto3812
@mustanaamiotto3812 3 роки тому
That music is drilled into my head
@lingjunwen1224
@lingjunwen1224 3 роки тому
I was just gonna say that LMAO
@drDopefish
@drDopefish 3 роки тому
They even used ck2 colors for the Byzantines, Franks etc. lol
@apalahartisebuahnama7684
@apalahartisebuahnama7684 3 роки тому
Didn't use CK music while presenting medieval history is a heresy.
@hoanglongnguyeno3173
@hoanglongnguyeno3173 2 роки тому
They used it in most Roman-Byzantine related videos, and I love it
@ZenFox0
@ZenFox0 3 роки тому
My first time viewing the channel. I love the high-level overview of the Great Schism. I also love the maps and artwork by Oğuz Tunç and company. Keep up the great work!
@jacobluedy5534
@jacobluedy5534 2 роки тому
Extremely well put together
@byzantineemperor6459
@byzantineemperor6459 2 роки тому
Very detailed report! Well explained.
@stephenflerisoler4757
@stephenflerisoler4757 4 роки тому
Thank God, both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, have moved closer to each other. Let us pray and hope that they once again unite.
@iggyfitzsimmons1168
@iggyfitzsimmons1168 4 роки тому
as a catholic, no thanks…but god bless the russians church
@Amado9111
@Amado9111 3 роки тому
It is true as a Catholic I would love to the see consecration of Russia and the unity of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.
@johniewalker4356
@johniewalker4356 3 роки тому
@@Amado9111 Russia isn't the leader of the orthodox church, they are just another autocephalous patriarchate (and the most troublesome one, since they are committed to Russian imperialism).
@art.f7973
@art.f7973 3 роки тому
@@Amado9111 we hope no... They must go out both from Greece
@equites8832
@equites8832 2 роки тому
at least orthodoxy did not turn on itself
@gabo1841997
@gabo1841997 4 роки тому
The parallax animations of these videos are absolutely spectacular!
@Bill-cc5ml
@Bill-cc5ml 2 роки тому
What a well presented work, objective, well illustrated and captivating. If I were to propose an improvement, I would love to see some primary sources both from the Byzantine and Latin sides!
@Snowdogash
@Snowdogash 2 роки тому
Amazing video. The most striking thing is by about minute 13 it suddenly hits you how much upheaval was caused by people arguing over which magical invisible floaty wizard man was the best.
@ihavenojawandimustscream4681
@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 2 роки тому
Man has always slaughter what they can see for things they cannot see,from ideology to nation to sky wizards
@silvussol8966
@silvussol8966 3 роки тому
“I bet my God could beat up your God.” - Some Priest (probably)
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 3 роки тому
Most definitely!
@chaosXP3RT
@chaosXP3RT 3 роки тому
Both sides were Christian so there was only one God lmao
@riseALK
@riseALK 3 роки тому
@@chaosXP3RT Thatsthejoke
@tgducsfdifxdt4533
@tgducsfdifxdt4533 3 роки тому
@Poop Poop nope one
@bojanstare8667
@bojanstare8667 3 роки тому
@@cetus4449 dangerous, not stupid
@lshe97
@lshe97 4 роки тому
when you recently watched the video on the Normans in southern Italy, and then get to 13:29 in this video "Oh yeah. It's all coming together."
@RichJalipa
@RichJalipa 3 роки тому
Well done. Thank you!
@akritai2324
@akritai2324 3 роки тому
Late to this but superbly explained. I showed this to my daughter to explain her Orthodox heritage better than I could.
@joesomebody3365
@joesomebody3365 3 роки тому
Love the supporting visuals, very interesting history. Great video. Thanks for making it.
@stephenmeier4658
@stephenmeier4658 3 роки тому
An absolutely astonishing accomplishment. The simplicity of your approach belies it's ability to encapsulate a vast scope. Should be used by schools everywhere!
@chum3192
@chum3192 2 роки тому
Proverbs 22:3 "A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished." Take heed to this truth, or if you reject it as "conspiracy" or "craziness" you will suffer the consequences. "Popery Puseyism Jesuitism" By Luigi Desanctis Page 140: At what, then, do the Jesuits aim? According to them, they only seek the greater glory of God; but if you examine the facts you will find that they aim at universal dominion alone. They have rendered themselves indispensable to the Pope, who, without them, could not exist, because Catholicism is identified with them. They have rendered themselves indispensable to governors and hold revolutions in their hands; and in this way, either under one name or another, it is they who rule the world, who have reduced it to such perversion of ideas, that he can neither be a good citizen nor a good Catholic who is not a Jesuit. Page 139: He who thinks he knows the Jesuits by having read all the books that were written in the past century to unmask them, would be grossly deceived. The Jesuitism of that day was an open war against the Gospel and society; the Jesuitism of the present day is a slow but contagious and deadly disease, which secretly insinuates itself; it is a poison taken under the name of medicine. "History of the Jesuits: their origin, progress, doctrines, and designs" 1854 By Nicolini, G. B. (Giovanni Battista) Page 39: take the Jesuit for what he ought or appears to be, and you commit the greatest of blunders. Draw the character after what the Jesuit seems to be in London, and you will not recognize your portrait in the Jesuit of Rome. The Jesuit is the man of circumstances. Despotic in Spain, constitutional in England, republican in Paraguay, bigot in Rome, idolater in India, he shall assume and act out in his own person, with admirable flexibility, all those different features by which men are usually to be distinguished from each other. He will accompany the gay woman of the world to the theatre, and will share in the excesses of the debauchee. With solemn countenance, he will take his place by the side of the religious man at church, and he will revel in the tavern with the glutton and the sot. He dresses, in all garbs, speaks all languages, knows all customs, is present everywhere though nowhere recognized-and all this, it should seem (O monstrous blasphemy!), for the greater glory of God Page 82: [Jesuit] Father Francis Pelhco... candidly confesses that " the many illustrious friends of the Society, prelates, orators, learned and distinguished men of every description, the supporters of the Society, remain occult, and obliged to be silent.'' "The Jesuits in History" by Hector MacPherson Page 148: Danger lies in the fact that since the Vatican Council the interests of both are identical. Jesuitism is the power behind the Papal throne. “The presence of the Jesuits in any country, Romanist or Protestant,” once remarked Lord Palmerston, “ is likely to breed social disturbance.” So hurtful was the Jesuit Order found to be that, up to 1860, it was expelled no fewer than seventy times from countries which has suffered from its machinations... In spite of Continental warnings, England, in the name of a spurious toleration, has become a Jesuit dumping-ground. Those whom other countries have found from sad experience to be enemies, Britain allows to land on her shores, and to carry on unmolested their work of iniquity. We are carrying toleration to excess, and unless there is a change of policy, this nation will one day pay a heavy penalty. If we wish to escape the penalty, we must come to realize that a system which enslaves the individual, fosters superstition, is at war with patriotism and destroys morality, will, if allowed to flourish unchecked, sooner or later destroy society. "The Jesuits in History" 1914 by Hector MacPherson Page 122: In order to clearness of thought in dealing with this subject, it is well to note the distinction between Roman Catholicism and the Papacy. The former has to do mainly with religion. It rests upon the theological doctrines which Protestants believe to be erroneous. There are Roman Catholics who take their religion but not their politics from the Pope. Had the Roman Catholic Church remained a purely religious organisation like any other sect, the world would have been spared centuries of evil. But in the course of its development the Romish Church, through its Popes, entered the civil sphere and aspired to universal monarchy. "The Vatican Against Europe" 1993 by Edmond Paris Page 308: In the future, as in the past, she (The Catholic Church) will inexorably move towards the end she has set herself, without the slightest thought for the ruins and the catastrophes that her unwearying pursuit might be causing. "The end justifies the means". "No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the Vatican's part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. "The Secret History Of The Jesuits" 1975 by Edmond Paris Page 7: The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the start of the two world wars-a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict. Page -163-164: But let us see, first, how an especially "authorized" personality, Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ, expressly confirmed the collusion between the Vatican and the nazis. According to "Reforme", this is what the press of the Spanish dictator (Franco) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death: ... "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits", said Hitler... "Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organisation of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organisation into my own party... I am going to let you in on a secret... I am founding an Order... In my "Burgs" of the Order, we will raise up a youth which will make the world tremble... Hitler then stopped, saying that he couldn't say any more.."(108) "Swarms of Locusts: The Jesuit attack on the Faith" 2002 by Michael Bunker Page 12: There is a conspiracy against Christendom.... But who are Satan’s agents in this conspiracy? The “agents” are the Jesuits. Even though the Jesuits exude vast influence and control in the areas of theology, education, recorded history and current media, I am still perplexed that virtually no literature exists exposing the Jesuit’s influence on mainline Protestantism. This is what makes “Swarms of Locusts” such a necessary book. In this work, the author uncovers forgotten history regarding the cooperative salvation theology of the Jesuits. The author then builds upon these historical truths and clearly exposes how the Jesuits (and their cooperative redemption theology) have permeated all denominations of the Protestant Church. From Cain to Charles Finney, this book historically connects-the-dots and undeniably proves that modem Protestantism has abandoned the Doctrines of Grace and embraced the doctrines of cooperative salvation.
@MiThreeSunz
@MiThreeSunz 4 місяці тому
An interesting, informative, and educational overview! Well done! 🇨🇦
@dotValkyrie
@dotValkyrie 2 роки тому
Eastern and Western Roman Empire arguing on who has Supremacy. Meanwhile the South Slavs on the Balkans: It's free real estate
@evancurtis4215
@evancurtis4215 4 роки тому
I've been wanting to learn more about the Great Schism for a long time, great video!
@JBlackjackp
@JBlackjackp 4 роки тому
Evan Curtis well you should probably start reading because this video is horrible
@IapetusStag
@IapetusStag 4 роки тому
The video is incomplete in details. I am a former Catholic seminarian who studies this and it's even more complicated than this that misses key points.
@Recusant_
@Recusant_ 10 місяців тому
@@IapetusStagcare to share any info
@kcridx
@kcridx 3 роки тому
Thank you very much for this video; concise, clear, objective, visually and audibly supporting effective transmission of information to enable the listener/learner to absorb it.
@arnoldoflakelandsouth9863
@arnoldoflakelandsouth9863 3 роки тому
Very well presented. 👍🏻
@danhudson1333
@danhudson1333 3 роки тому
Watching this as a former Protestant who converted to Orthodox
@virlanalexandru261
@virlanalexandru261 3 роки тому
im so glad you did it
@tubeysr
@tubeysr 3 роки тому
Why
@danielhorn4113
@danielhorn4113 3 роки тому
Roman Catholic Latin is better
@efipaparizoy7770
@efipaparizoy7770 3 роки тому
@Sameer bruh let them believe in what they want to believe lmao
@efipaparizoy7770
@efipaparizoy7770 3 роки тому
@Sameer I say that in a sense of a lot of people don't think god is real but also a lot of people think god is real so just leave them be
@3dwardcullen69
@3dwardcullen69 4 роки тому
Just to muddle things up, Romanians are the only Latins who are Greek Orthodox.
@six2make4
@six2make4 4 роки тому
I swear to god, there is always that one guy...
@CARPENTER1991
@CARPENTER1991 4 роки тому
they are slavs not latins
@CulinVlau
@CulinVlau 4 роки тому
@@CARPENTER1991 umm, no. The Romanian language is recognized as a Romance language.
@3dwardcullen69
@3dwardcullen69 4 роки тому
alexander lmao. You need to get an education. Romanian= romans. It’s even in the name.
@CARPENTER1991
@CARPENTER1991 4 роки тому
@@3dwardcullen69 sorry, pretenders are not accepted
@gauntlettcf5669
@gauntlettcf5669 3 роки тому
Dang, imagine if Irene did marry Charlemagne... That would have been so sick
@overlord5068
@overlord5068 2 роки тому
Yes, everybody would be Catholic
@Awakeningspirit20
@Awakeningspirit20 2 роки тому
@Tom K in some alternate universe there's some alternate history video about "What if the Christian Church never reunified" and speculates about what's basically our world. Their world is likely centuries behind ours, or more tho. Or, one could argue centuries AHEAD. I always just thought the Reformation led to less restriction on innovation.
@jonathaneffemey944
@jonathaneffemey944 Рік тому
Thanks so much for posting.
@vonhummie
@vonhummie 2 роки тому
Calm and clear explanation. Thanks!
@alerommel1
@alerommel1 4 роки тому
That was an incredibly awesome video and covered most of the facts. You could have done some mentions on the attempts made between 1261 and 1453 for a solution of the Schism (like the Florence Council) even though popular controversy and bad timing proved these attempts fruitless....
@Brahmdagh
@Brahmdagh 4 роки тому
".. laid a letter of excommnication in Hagia Sofia" I actually hit pause, and went "woooah!" As an outsider, it surely looks like it was the pope who was escalating the stakes all the time.
@SeymoreSparda
@SeymoreSparda 4 роки тому
"You can't fire mehhh! I quit !!!!" 😤😡
@johnpathadan
@johnpathadan 4 роки тому
Shut up bitch
@alexandrub8786
@alexandrub8786 4 роки тому
That what orthodox think too,even if the father from Rome is called "the first among equals".
@JBlackjackp
@JBlackjackp 4 роки тому
Generally this is poorly researched, the Papal Legate that did that did not have the authority from the pope to do that and the easterners would have known this (in addition to the fact the pope had died and so he had no authority of any kind anyway)
@markuhler2664
@markuhler2664 4 роки тому
Heavy move but there are so many factors that go into not only the lead up but also this act itself that it should have been ignored by both sides (& apologized by the new Pope). At this point schism was going to happen.
@StephensCrazyHour
@StephensCrazyHour 3 роки тому
One minor but important correction to this video. Before the great schism and one of the reasons for it was that the patriarchs of the church were all considered equals in matters of faith. The patriarch of Rome (the pope) was considered the "first among equals" and was not supposed to make decisions on cue matters of faith without an ecumenical council. Yet the pope added a word to the Nicean creed (a creed developed at an ecumenical council) to clarify the creed to some of its German converts. This infuriated Constantinople since they believed that the pope did not have authority to do this without an ecumenical council. After the split, Rome grew more and more excessive in its grab for power and money in Europe which ultimately triggered the reformation. The big question is why the reformers didn't push harder for communion with the East and instead forged its own path. Now Protestantism has had more internal schisms than either the Roman or Eastern church and Lutheranism is closer in practice to Catholicism than it is to Pentecostalism. Though in many ways protestant theology is far closer to orthodox theology than it is to Catholic theology, their practices are worlds apart.
@delgande
@delgande 2 роки тому
The power grabs were the only "legitimate" reasons for the protestants. Theologically they're barren. German princes helped Luther spread. They were so allied that Luther even attacked peasants and called for their slaughter. Protestants denied the 7 sacraments that both East and West churches had. They deny the basics of Christianity formed over 1500 years. They only succeeded because of political reasons, like medici corruption, land grabs, etc. This is why there was no such revolution in the East. If it was truly theological then the East should've had a reformation earlier especially since they used a common language like Greek unlike the alienating Latin of the west.
@pennyc11
@pennyc11 Рік тому
True. Catholicism in general is still influenced by the older religions, especially Judism. Many of their rituals are not Biblical at all but an added panacea to appease the various tribes they embraced.
@MH3GL
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@@pennyc11 as someone who was raised Catholic, please elaborate, if you will.
@pennyc11
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@@MH3GL Honestly? You would have to take a course or find some good books on the history of religion. As this doc points out, the base religion is divided. Catholicism is an offshoot of Judism. The Bible clearly shows the progression of Judism and how Jesus started another religious movement. His goal was to embrace people of different backgrounds. Yet, many old Jews chose to remain less secular. Anyone can convert to Judism, Trumps daughter, Ivanka is a practicing converted Jew. However, it had a bad reputation in many lands. As the Roman's accepted Christianity, they helped to form the new religion, the Roman Catholic Church. This United a lot of people of different classes and grew to become a very powerful force to aid royalty to either retain or obtain power over the people. Once the Bible was distributed in print, followers questioned the many non-biblical events practiced by the Catholic Church. There are some obvious contradiction. This is often because the Catholic religion converted pagan celebrations into religious ones. It is how the very time of Jesus's birth was weaved into December rather then the Spring when traveling made more sense. The three Magi? Was an attempt to pull in Middle Eastern people to the religion and make it seem more believable and acceptable. It helps to study the cultures of other parts of the World. The World was not flooded over because there is historical accounts during that time found in Northern Cultures. But it can be stated, that in how small the world was to societies that did not travel the world? Such mistakes in historical accounts will happen. A believer of good intensions needs to accept that Bible History, is not perfect. It is mens interpretation of what they believe their God wants from them to share. Their intentions were not always wise because it is based on common knowledge at that time in history. Things were much different then. Not everything in the Bible is relevent today. That is because if you study the Bible, you will see how culture changed as people learned better ways to live and discovered more answers to questions that were theories not proven true by facts. That is why preachers say religion is based on faith. You either believe it is true or you don't. The only thing that makes a God true is people choosing to believe in something that cannot be confirmed as a fact. It only hurts people when it is being used to hurt people not to help people. This is when religion is a stumbling block and not a ladder to a successful life.
@MH3GL
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@@pennyc11 I appreciate the long response, but let's clear some things up 🙂 I said I was RAISED Catholic, I am therefore familiar with its teachings, but I am not a practicing Catholic. On a whole, I find it very odd that 3 of the most abundant religions of the world (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) all pray to the same God (the god of Moses) and yet are all at war with one another over whose faith/God is the "true faith/God." Rather amusing. In your initial comment, you stated that many rituals in Catholicism were not biblical in origin, but "added panacea," and I was simply asking for clarification on that. Yes, I'm aware Christmas is based on a pagan holiday. I was not aware that the 3 magi were added in to be more appeasing to easterners - but it makes sense. Are there any other examples you can provide? As I said, I'm familiar, but not an expert. So while I may be aware of what I was taught, I may not be fully aware of the implications behind its origins. So I'm simply appealing to someone who appears to have more knowledge than I.
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