Hazbin Hotel Therapist Analysis: Angel's Abuse
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Join psychotherapist Georgia Dow as she delves into the complex world of Hazbin Hotel, focusing on Angel's experience with relationship abuse. In this eye-opening video, Georgia explores the nuances of Angel's story, shedding light on the dynamics of abuse within relationships. Gain valuable insights into the psychological aspects of Angel's struggle and how it mirrors real-life challenges. Don't miss this thought-provoking analysis on the portrayal of relationship abuse in Hazbin Hotel.
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@galaxy_cat9575 3 місяці тому
Who is your favorite Hazbin hotel character so far
@TheDimensionalArtist 3 місяці тому
@@galaxy_cat9575 they are cosplaying Angel. Who do you think?
@galaxy_cat9575 3 місяці тому
@@TheDimensionalArtist she cosplays every character
@Wolf_Appledore 2 місяці тому
Will you be talking about their duet in Husk's video?
@namelessdemon23 2 місяці тому
Could you do a video on DreamWorks Trolls 3: Band Together? DreamWorks seems to be having a streak in their movies lately about emotional and mental growth. And I really relate to Veneer's battle he seems to show through his face expressions, and I would just like to know if I'm the only one who just thinks this way or not😅😅😅😭😭😭
@sunnysunsins_4920 3 місяці тому
One moment some people noticed - when he starts saying "yes, Valentino" and when he yells at Charlie his voice is much deeper and more accented than normal. Even his voice is a part of his persona, and only slips out in these moments of intense emotion. When Anthony is speaking, not Angel
@Kutakakooloo 3 місяці тому
This was also pointed out in his song Poison too, at the ending his voice changes back into "Anthony"
@tic857 3 місяці тому
He has several vocal slips and they are all very nice. Even in the last episode when he's speaking to Husk there's an ever so slight one.
@Mediados 3 місяці тому
This is why I love insincere characters. It makes the moments when they are honest so much better.
@LovelyLylla 3 місяці тому
He also has drool coming out of his mouth.
@ambregille549 3 місяці тому
I always noticed and always love thoses moments where his real voice comes out.
@SatyrToon 3 місяці тому
I hate seeing people say that Husk is victim blaming during "Loser Baby." He's not. He's recognizing that they are both in a terrible situation with no obvious way out which was born from the choices they made and resolving to endure what they have to together. The power of not being alone in a traumatic situation is incredible and letting Angle know he's not alone and that someone else has a similar experience - as it says in the song - is very helpful.
@moththechangeling8522 3 місяці тому
Right?! He's also meeting Angel where he is. He's not telling him "you're not a loser! You're awesome!" because Angel isn't ready to believe that yet. Husk is saying "hey, yeah, you are a loser...and that's okay, I'm still here. You can still enjoy sex and drugs, that's fine, but just be yourself." When I've been at my lowest, it's been people who see my worst and accept me as I am that have been the most helpful.
@transplantman2287 3 місяці тому
@@moththechangeling8522Exactly. It takes out the fear of rejection at being seen because Husk is saying “I do see you, and I won’t abandon you because I can relate. Actually, tell me more!” That’s powerful and I love that.
@RavenSoulifer 3 місяці тому
That's exactly how I saw the song. Solidarity.
@SHINYA_CORE 3 місяці тому
THIS
@NovaKnight 3 місяці тому
So much this! It's why Loser, Baby is my favorite song of the season. Sometimes, just knowing you're not alone makes all the difference.
@Senyin 3 місяці тому
Very few people noticed that during the song, when he begins to "dance", it is all in his head. In the background you can see on screens how his body is being forced into positions, and he is "dancing" in his head to mimic the poses. When he screams in real life he is shouting in song, when he is thrown to his knees he "falls over", etc. He is disassociating from reality. It is very painful to view that scene once you notice it.
@HinaTheBlue 3 місяці тому
Mmhhhh. That's a cool way to interpret it! I personally take the dance literally, like it is part of his work day. But it works as in a "You don't want to hear me, you just want to watch me dance". He smiles and moves for the camera, the same that films his pain. Everyone watches his performance while his anguish is literally and figuratively playing in the background and is getting ignored. He sexualises himself with flashes of his abuse and a perfect smile, reminding us what has happened just an hour ago.
@wanderlustqueen13 2 місяці тому
He even mentions disassociating and disappearing. He means within himself. His body doesnt matter, he protects his mind however he can.
@epicfail7874 2 місяці тому
No to mention the dancing switches to the screens when Valentino enters the scene, representing him making it impossible for Angel to pretend he's fine
@Kira_GPZ 2 місяці тому
Poison?
@Ash_ok33 2 місяці тому
@@Kira_GPZIt’s a song from the show!
@HunhowsShadowStalker 3 місяці тому
I actually prefer "Loser, Baby" over how most shows portray abuse victims. Most shows go all "You're special! You've got the strength to break free! We believe in you!" Husk? He goes "Yes, your life is awful. But there are others like you, so don't wallow in self-pity and accept support when offered." One is false hope that can end very badly if followed through. The other is a bit of harsh reality mixed with the fact that there are still people who can help you.
@SwordmaidenGwen 2 місяці тому
I feel like you're not interpreting Loser, Baby correctly, specifically that Husk IS NOT saying that "Yes, your life is awful. But there are others like you, so don't wallow in self-pity and accept support when offered." He never tells Angel to stop wallowing in self-pity, Husk sits with Angel in self-pity and that act of self-pitying *with* someone else, is in and of itself healing. Husk specifically says he can't help Angel, it's the fact that both of them can't get out, but they can hug each other through it. The point of the song is that Angel CAN self-pity around Husk, Angel doesn't need to act tough, he can just do the self-pity without shame. Self-pity has to be shown to another human to get it out of the system so it doesn't internalise. Husk is saying "Stop HIDING your self-pity, you can let it out around me, you don't have to be strong. You can be weak, because I'm weak like you and I won't judge you for it."
@HunhowsShadowStalker 2 місяці тому
@@SwordmaidenGwen "It's time to *_lose your self-loathing, excuse yourself, let hope in."_* Yeah, nothing about that says anything about stopping the self-pity and accepting help. Nothing at all. That was sarcasm, in case that wasn't obvious.
@SwordmaidenGwen 2 місяці тому
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Erm, you said self-pity. Self-loathing is different... in case you don't know. Though that explains why you misinterpreted it. Self-loathing is where you blame yourself for the bad that's happened to you. Husk tells Angel not to hate himself and parts of himself that have nothing to do with the action that he regrets. Husk never said self-pity, which is a completely different concept. Self-pity is feeling sad about the situation you've found yourself in. "Letting hope in" isn't the same as accepting support when offered or the "fact that people can help you." Husk explicitly says that he can't help because that's true. *No one can improve Angel's situation.* Angel's soul has been sold, but Angel doesn't need to give up on *feeling* better IN the bad situation. You can endure a bad situation with a smile when you know that the people who matter are safe in your heart and love you. Val can hate Angel and insult Angel all he wants, but if Angel doesn't care about Val's opinion, it'll be easier to endure the cruelty, knowing that no matter how destroyed Angel gets, he has Husk to love him and be there for Angel.
@SwordmaidenGwen 2 місяці тому
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Also, you might want to actually watch the video you're commenting on because the host actually says this as well. Husk showed Angel his injuries, showed Angel that he was weak and broken too. So Angel can be himself around Husk, and Husk will never judge Angel. That's the gift he gave Angel, which turned Angel's pain into the very thing that connects the two, and that's at least one upside to all the terrible agony. It's the cup half full perspective, you know?
@smiley4995 2 місяці тому
EXACTLY, ngl as someone who went through something bad it is a song that is just really comforting.
@windwalker5765 3 місяці тому
The really sad thing is, Charlie is only in any danger from Val _because_ she's so nice. She is massively more powerful than he is, both socially/politically and in actual supernatural strength. But Angel sees his abuser as the most terrifying thing in the world, which is saying something as he's in _Hell._ He can't imagine anything strong enough to stop Val.
@brolytriplethreat 3 місяці тому
Yeah Val would be annihilated by Charlie and he knows it. And Angel would know it too if he was in a state to think calmly and rationally about it.
@arturouribebertolotti1169 3 місяці тому
She is more powerful than him phisically and politically, but not socially. Overlords are feared more than Charlie and it is implied that they even have more social capital that even Lucifer, mostly because he's been isolating himself. I agree with the rest though
@MarkoDash 3 місяці тому
if Angel hadn't stopped her an enraged Charlie could have easily turned Val inside out.
@Yu_KiArts 3 місяці тому
Alastor: 👁️ 👄 👁️
@notyourdaughter666 3 місяці тому
@@arturouribebertolotti1169the thing is tho, if charlie killed an overlord as powerful as val or even hurt him, her social power would go up immediately and people would fear her. the only reason they don’t is because they haven’t seen her do anything powerful yet, so there’s not much to fear. they don’t think that she would do anything and don’t even know if she can, but if she just showed aggression, she’d be very feared
@poopoopeepee211 3 місяці тому
Another thing to point out is that Val is 100% aware of Angel's heroism. When Charlie is about to attack Val at 20:11, instead of bracing for the attack, he stands smugly, because he KNOWS that Angel is going to step in
@bananatiergod 3 місяці тому
I need a season 2 announcement just so we can finally have someone obliterate Val and put this scumbag in his place
@Lightice1 2 місяці тому
It's not just Angel's heroism. Val ordered Angel to kick Charlie out and Angel has no choice but to obey. By the terms of their deal, Angel has to submit to every and any command inside the studio.
@GBS4893 2 місяці тому
@@Lightice1 Subtext. This is about reality without the supernatural deal
@Im_alivexx Місяць тому
And Angel yelled at Charlie to leave cause he didn’t want her to get hurt or be there in the first place, you can hear it in his voice and when he looked up at Val, when Angel said “I asked you to leave!”.
@kurisu7885 Місяць тому
@@Lightice1 Which Angel makes VERY clear later on at the club by asserting himself in front of Val, even knowing he may pay for it later.
@mariepierce1517 3 місяці тому
As a human trafficking/abuse survivor it's HEARTBREAKING to watch how accurate angels story is. It sent me into almost a week of nightmares and flashbacks. But it's so important these stories get out there and be told so others can be rescued. Love this show for all these reasons alone. It's so well written.
@azazellon 2 місяці тому
Dude are you like, alright o_o
@mariepierce1517 2 місяці тому
@@azazellon it was a long time ago and therapy helps. It just wasn't something I ever expected to see in a show.
@PixelWingStudio 2 місяці тому
I can agree with you . I got the same and this is also while I like it the Show much and the writting of the Story. And also Videos like this i like to inform people a little bit about what in this World exist.
@angelasmith4325 2 місяці тому
This and Addict go hand in hand, and are both 💯 accurate. It's heartbreaking, and yet empowering.
@mariepierce1517 2 місяці тому
@@angelasmith4325 agreed
@veronicapiccinini7956 3 місяці тому
Not to mention, Angel Dust and Valentino’s relationship is based on an actual toxic relationship Vivzie went through, mixed with how her own fame became a double-edged sword, as she also has to deal with creeps or haters.
@hannahguilding1338 2 місяці тому
It is?!
@veronicapiccinini7956 2 місяці тому
@@hannahguilding1338 yup. Sometimes reality surpasses fantasy
@sarahlandis289 2 місяці тому
I can believe that
@AmbarGriss 2 місяці тому
@@Mortablunt Wow, you are sad.
@jaxcraft2848 2 місяці тому
That's just awful. Can't believe she had to go through something like that.
@inusocials6295 3 місяці тому
YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE RECOGNIZES THE CHARACTER DEPTH OF ANGEL！ He’s so much more than just the sex gags that he gets reduced too. You can tell a lot of heart was put into his character, most likely inspired from real life experiences. I’m pretty sure Viv her self said that she worked through things herself through this character.
@suspiciousstar7547 3 місяці тому
You’re correct! Angel was a character formed based off of Viv’s experience with her toxic ex. So when I hear people saying Angel glorifies and fetishizes SA, it leaves a big bad taste in my mouth.
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
appreciate you < 3
@furyking380 3 місяці тому
A lot of the shitty discourse around him honestly seems like it comes from a lack of media literacy and critical thinking skills
@xqzqcv7950 3 місяці тому
@@furyking380Way too many people believe depiction literally not only means endorsement but enthusiastic approval.. cause why else put it in the story..? 😶🙃
@K1TTYBR4T 3 місяці тому
@@furyking380I can’t believe there are people mad that they didn’t sugar coat the abuse 😭 LIKE HUH??? why are you upset that they’re showing what ABUSE is actually like I can’t believe there were people saying the abuse was “too explicit”
@xellosmakuzo2586 3 місяці тому
Angeldust is one of the best written characters in the series.
@darkwolfstudioes 3 місяці тому
Because hes based off of vivs irl experiences
@DIEFORME173 3 місяці тому
@@darkwolfstudioesyeah she’s viv personified into a cartoon
@vukogamer6198 3 місяці тому
@@DIEFORME173angel dust is a male
@papeya_Pics 3 місяці тому
@@vukogamer6198doesn’t change the experiences and feelings that came with that history
@vukogamer6198 3 місяці тому
@@papeya_Pics that's not what i wanted to say. I was just correcting that person because they called angel dust a SHE. I wasn't saying that males can't be SA survivors.
@nicholaspokorny5058 3 місяці тому
I just noticed something about Val's voicemails; the ones where he's sweet talking have waveforms made of hearts, the ones where he's vitriolic have ones made of snarling teeth.
@azazellon 2 місяці тому
The voicemail scene hit hard, myself coming from an abusive household. Flip-flops always, never really "saited", it's...just a cycle. Of hearts and teeth.
@rafdelangen1685 Місяць тому
@@azazellon the worst part? this is a tactic is often by real life abusers. the scene where he has angel defend him from charlie is another one used in real life, and a favorite tactic by abusers none the less
@ostlandr Місяць тому
I am going to have to go back and watch all of season one again, just to try to catch all these super subtle little details.
@rafdelangen1685 Місяць тому
@@ostlandr do that. It’s interestingly heartbreaking to see, if that makes sense
@closetedcloud2613 3 місяці тому
"If I can ruin myself enough in the process, I won't be his favorite toy anymore." That line hits me like a truck when I watch it cuz that's really what it feels like to be controlled and used and abused for so damn long. Living in constant fear, always on the defensive, bending and breaking every aspect of who you are just to survive, if there was even a self to begin with... And it takes way too long to take back those puppet strings, let alone learn how to use them. Maybe one day, we'll have it all figured out... Angel and Husk are amazing characters and I love them so much
@GhostCore23 2 місяці тому
U explain my life...
@MissMarth 2 місяці тому
Finally I learned that they prefer you broken, broken toys don't try to run away.
@PrincessNinja007 2 дні тому
Cue me not showering for a month
@TheRibottoStudios 3 місяці тому
I'll never get over the sheer lack of media literacy skills people have when talking about TV and film. People made such a big fuss over ONE clip of "Poison," and you think "oh it'll be better understood when the actual full episode comes out." But no. It got worse, and people said it glorified SA, and the people shouting either overlooked or outright discredited SA survivors who related to Poison. Media literacy is such an important skill to have in order to hone critical thinking.
@rach3092 3 місяці тому
Its legitimately sad too because the show has 16+ on it with trigger warnings as well (least below where it reads 16+) people just love outrage for the sake of it tbh
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
@@rach3092 It's 18+ for episode 4. Don't think it matters too much when people are so dense they don't understand abusive relationships look like a great deal at first. Once you realize something is wrong you're too deep in and it'll only get worse.
@awesome_by_default 3 місяці тому
I think that's mainly because "showing" something is seen as glorifying and approving of that thing nowadays, which is a ridiculous notion. Showing is often the most effective way of educating on the bad elements of something.
@Chihirolee3 3 місяці тому
I think people need more than to learn media literacy....I have IRL friends asking advice about their under 13 children watching this show. How it seems to be too much for them....and I'm like, why are you letting your kid watch an adult show? And they feel offended.
@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128 3 місяці тому
@Chihirolee3 Ah yes, the crux of the 21st Century, nothing is ever the parents' fault
@kokocolaa 3 місяці тому
Something that I loved about the scene at the studio was how they didn't have Charlie just swoop in and save him instantly. In real life, well-intentioned friends try to do this all the time, and like in the show, it often doesn't end well. Trying to get someone away from their abuser can be extremely difficult, and if not handled delicately, it can just end up causing more harm to the victim. Emotional abuse is so devastating.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
Exactly, most of the time the victim is so dependent on their abuser they don't want to get away from them in the first place. Any direct meddling will just worsen the situation for them.
@g.yad.4758 3 місяці тому
I'd like to see her try though; hope there will be an arc about hotel team figuring out how to make Valentino drop the contract in season two
@MM4TuT 3 місяці тому
@@g.yad.4758 I think Angel would first have to ask for help directly, and considering Angel mentions that Val can do whatever in the Studio I assume destroying the Studio would work
@paradoxtatorstudios9681 3 місяці тому
i agee, my irl friend mentioned this; sometimes, sad as it is, you just can't help someone that fast, and sometimes that help, given the situation, just puts them in more danger.
@g.yad.4758 3 місяці тому
@@MM4TuT that's an interesting theory!
@Shy-xm4kn 3 місяці тому
I grew up with a sex worker as a mother and have seen and been around some really bad things. It definitely affected how I handle adult relationships and friendships. When Angel Dust broke down and said he has to act to feel ok with life I started sobbing. I love his character and I feel like people who don’t understand how traumatic the sex work industry can be and abusive relationships lack empathy for his character because they just can’t fathom the psychological damage done to a person.
@artisticbeautybyhanako6801 2 місяці тому
You will perish alone and forgotten, having made no legacy for yourself@@Mortablunt
@DeEchoVibeWontDie 2 місяці тому
Why tf are you in every comment? Do u gotta life? @@Mortablunt
@isaiahwalking 2 місяці тому
@DeEchoVibeWontDie ignore them dudes probably a attention seeker.
@KitsuDoesStuff 2 місяці тому
I am absolutely SHOCKED that you didnt cover the bar scene between Husket and Angel where Angel basically breaks down completely
@Maikaniel 2 місяці тому
same
@silvsevie 3 місяці тому
I think part of the reason Angel was extra affected by the skit Charlie wrote is that the road to redemption is insinuated to be "don't be an addict and don't be promiscuous" and that are too things angel can't help, and seeing someone be praised for not being like HIM, that has to hurt the soul.
@AnimeParent Місяць тому
It also feels like Charlie put Angel into the role of Val, corrupting others by getting them addicted.
@Luci-morningstar-- Місяць тому
And then being judged for the role he was made to play. That definitely symbolises something
@HououMinamino 14 днів тому
@@AnimeParentYeah, I noticed that, too. Charlie really didn't consider Angel's feelings. I wonder what was going through his head. Maybe he was comparing the script to how bad Val's are, too.
@thatfishbone 3 місяці тому
As a survivor who resonates DEEPLY with Angel and felt hurt by how much trash not only his character but this episode got made me feel like people just didn't want to see my pain. They just wanted to censor it out of existence because it hurt THEM to much to see the reality of it.
@rach3092 3 місяці тому
People who trash the episode obviously didn’t get the point of it at all its very powerful and most of this fandom (sad to say it cause I hate the term) is too immature to handle it looking at you Twi- I mean X!!!
@TrashyWaffle 3 місяці тому
The only complain I have of this episode is this is the only episode about how toxic their relationship actually is, because a toxic relationship as a lot more complexity . But I get that it’s an adult cartoon and therefore have limited amount of episodes so I get why they did it like that.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
@@TrashyWaffle The show is rushed but that's a general issue that affects everything, not exclusive to Angel.
@paradoxtatorstudios9681 3 місяці тому
"hurt _them_ to see the reality" .. i haven't heard a better phrase for the internet nowadays
@paradoxtatorstudios9681 3 місяці тому
@@anitaremenarova6662 minor spoilers: i recommend to any reading this to finish HH if you haven't alreadu agreed, the show was very rushed, it became most evident to me in the final episode because of how overwhelming yet unsatisfying it felt. they have too much to work with and not enough time to work with it all, it's pretty sad to see. not to mention how they just get all touchy feely and rebuilt the hotel at the end immediately, it didn't feel earned because everything happened so fast. i'm gonna assume the limited episode number of just eight was a legal thing but if it's not.. only having eight episodes for an overarching story with many characters like hazbin was a poor choice
@leviHeichou 3 місяці тому
What makes the character especially tragic is that he cannot just leave his abuser. Not only because of fear or threats but because he made a contract for his soul. So no matter how much Angel grows and makes the decision he doesn't want that anymore, he cannot go until someone ends Valentino or Valentino ends the contract. So either his abuser dies or his abuser lets him go. That's something you wouldn't get in a realistic setting and it makes it even more heartbreaking.
@rachelryan84 3 місяці тому
To be fair we don't know the nature of the contract. On one side it could be one step away from Val owning his soul, on the other side it could be powerless.
@itsthejavavoid 2 місяці тому
this is why i think angel actually wants to be redeemed. he's hoping that if he's redeemed, val won't own his soul anymore and the contract will be broken and he'll be free.
@julife.ka.3899 2 місяці тому
People being abused might think that way even if it's not real, they might think that passing is the only way out
@Im_alivexx Місяць тому
That and the sad thing is Angel said if I keep slowly doing what I’m doing now, I won’t be his favorite toy and maybe he’ll let me go.
@nervousbreakdown711 Місяць тому
I honestly see him as the equivalent of a real world trafficking victim. They don’t technically own their victims legally, but they keep even tighter control of their victims than most abusive partners do
@FlameDarkfire 2 місяці тому
Whoever wrote Angel and Val had close, probably personal experience with abuse. It was so well written.
@missscarlet6044 2 місяці тому
the relationshhip is apparently inspired after a relationship Vivzie went through. I think i connected with Angel the most, that push and pull that Valentino does with his affections towards Angel is scary accurate and it was a dead ringer
@bencrispe9562 3 місяці тому
It makes sense for Val to feel like he was losing control when Charlie barged in. While it is difficult to quantify a demon's power level in this show, if I were to crudely break it down, Charlie is actually two power strata *higher* than Val. It's not something that is easily seen, because Charlie, (being a non-confrontational person) doesn't often use her immense power to push other people around. The thing is, Val *knows* he's way outclassed by Charlie, which is why he's so angry.
@windwalker5765 3 місяці тому
All three of the Vees are expert manipulators. Val knew the only chance he had was to get Angel to make Charlie back off.
@MSDuelist 3 місяці тому
Is Stolas can beat Alastor I'm pretty sure Charlie can take Val
@Tophat-Turtle 3 місяці тому
Actually three power strata, Valentino isn't even close
@undertakernumberone1 3 місяці тому
Power LEvels as laid out by Viv during the pilot production: Lucifer CHarlie & Lilith the other 6 of the Seven Deadly Sins (Asmodeus, Bee, Mammon, Satan etc.) Ars Goetia and other demon nobility Overlords Sinners Succubi etc. Imps and Hellhounds.
@poopoopeepee211 3 місяці тому
another thing to consider is Lucifer. If Val hurts Charlie in any capacity, Lucifer would return it tenfold
@89technical 3 місяці тому
Husk going to get Angel and telling him he's fucked up and to stop acting like everything is okay is what actual aggressive kindness looks like - only your truest friends will ever tell you when you're doing something wrong and to stop because they hate watching you destroy yourself.
@D3DW1TCHCHIK 3 місяці тому
Nema.
@forumkitty 3 місяці тому
This is why I love the "You're a Loser, Baby" song lol my friends all do this for each other and it's so relatable.
@maryamtara2934 3 місяці тому
Exactly, and furthermore he expresses that even if their experiences are different, their both “made deals” they can’t escape. Its a healthy dose of trauma bonding one that doesn’t make light of the other person’s experiences
@Cromerone 3 місяці тому
This may be true but it can also be very toxic when you do so too aggressively when the other does not feel ready for it. At some point they will then just block up and that will destroy the relationship very quickly.
@sovi8762 2 місяці тому
It happens with my gf tbh, i recognize their destructive behaviors and call out the behaviors but also constantly reassure them that it's okay, that no matter the problem things will get better and that they are perfect
@beanybabysnail8576 3 місяці тому
People also forget Angel is putting himself out there, because that is what he thinks hes only good at. Hes only known for that stuff and feels like he deserves it.
@katiedog7497 3 місяці тому
When Val said “you know how crazy you make me” it’s like victim blaming and gas lighting at the same time and it’s so manipulative and toxic.
@XxFlamexX14 3 місяці тому
Thank you for actually being respectful and sensible of Angel's character. It seriously irks me everytime someone says Poison's scenes glorify SA when that isn't the case, or when Loser Baby is victim blaming, which it isn't. Angel is one of my comfort characters and he really speaks to me as a person ❤
@FoolOfTheStars 3 місяці тому
100%. Poison teeters on the brink of Angels suffering and the facade he wants to put on, leaving the viewers feeling extremely uncomfortable due to its realism. I still have trouble rewatching episode 4 because of this
@quantumvideoscz2052 2 місяці тому
People who say that are media-illiterate.
@rosegirl3220 3 місяці тому
I heard that Angel Dust's Dad was a mob boss from the early 1900's which was a very homophobic time. I bet part of the reason he made that deal with Val was to get away from his dad
@StarViewer68 3 місяці тому
As a mob boss, Angel’s dad was very likely a charismatic but very violent and hostile man. So it does make sense that Angel would be drawn to Valentino, who shares similar characteristics to his father. Sadly, for many people who were abused/neglected by a dominant parent, they get involved with abusive people in later relationships.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
The subtext is pretty strong here. "I didn't ask to be this way!" when speaking to Husk made me really sad.
@ronniemcnuggit9718 3 місяці тому
He died from a overdose in the 1920s, his older brother Aracniss is seen in the background of the last episode...Angels twin Molly is in heaven, we see her in episode 6 Edit : Anthony's death date is debated, 20s, 40s, I legit can't comb though years of Viziepops scattered lore for the official time
@rosegirl3220 3 місяці тому
@@ronniemcnuggit9718 I thought the wiki said he died in 1947
@idkwhatimdoingtbh33 3 місяці тому
yes im pretty sure its canon
@Keiko_02 3 місяці тому
I realized that when Angel is talking to Valentino on the phone, Val is yelling and screaming but Angel is putting it out like it’s a normal conversation in front of the others. Anthony slowly showing with his less confident voice and mannerisms before slipping back into his Angel Dust persona when he hangs up the phone.
@nicoletfirkins8347 3 місяці тому
Did yall notice that Valentino’s “nice” voicemails are all made out of hearts, while his more aggressive ones are all distorted/chaotic
@dinamosflams 3 місяці тому
I love that you wear the same clothes and makeup as the character you are undertanding and explaining them to us, it really feels like you are seeing what they are seeing and saying what they can't. your work is awesome!
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
So happy you notice and appreciate i try to walk in their shoes when I discuss it.
@slipknotboy555 3 місяці тому
@@GeorgiaDow Agreed! And yeah, the choice of outfits is awesome, heh
@willparry530 3 місяці тому
@@GeorgiaDow I agree, it is an excellent touch. I didn't even consciously notice until I saw this comment, aside from stupidly wondering why you were wearing that. But now it's obvious in hindsight. XD
@kaiyodei 2 місяці тому
should that be a new kind of cosplay? or is that most of cosplay?@@GeorgiaDow
@kaizacat3278 2 місяці тому
@@GeorgiaDow I noticed that but I thought someone else already pointed that out
@brzinger6 3 місяці тому
1:06 just to add on incase somebody missed it. The skit itself is tone deaf and insensitive to angel dusts trauma specificaly, *crackhead sells a Needle of weed to a toddler or whatever trope. like the whole skit is just throwing all of angels percived failures in his face, AND hes an actor, he's getting shamed in the one arena he ought to have confidence in. The point on this ep is pushing angel to a breaking point and they do it well. All in all great writing.
@visitlucyland 3 місяці тому
I'm sure it wasn't Charlie's intention but it literally says to Angel that everything about him is anti-redemption. It tells him he's bad for having addiction issues and being a sex worker and just continues this pattern where he's given no credit for his effort to improve.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
I agree but he's also not putting in any effort. Sure, that whole thing was a dlck move from Charlie even if she doesn't realize it due to her tunnel vision but the previous exercise he has no excuse to ignore.
@lexyruse603 3 місяці тому
@@anitaremenarova6662 To be fair though the other excercises were dumb summer camp exercises. Charlie means well but she's not really in a position to offer the mental health help that Angel needs. I cant blame him for not wanting to participate in those activities because honestly those activities are for maybe teens at a summer camp. Not someone with deep rooted trauma. Part of helping redeem someone is giving them what they need individually and realistically yhe exercises she was doing wouldn't work on an abuse victim in real life either
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
@@lexyruse603 Again, I'm not saying Charlie knows what she's doing but every path to healing requires the participants to be willing. Angel wouldn't care to seriously engage with any of it even if she were the best shrink in the world.
@trevorendeavors7972 3 місяці тому
@@lexyruse603 You know, I’m not sure if it’s intentional or not but those exercises kinda reminded me of what I’d seen in a mental institution before. For an adult ward, the exercises meant to help those at their lowest seemed… oddly childish and inane. Coloring books, simplistic charts about feelings, worksheets written as though for preschoolers… Patronizing, to say the least. But to point out the pointlessness was to be seen as non compliant. In other words, ineligible for redemption. Even Charlie’s simplistic optimism resembles that of psych nurses (though Charlie is better because she goes out of her way to stick her neck out for people). Maybe I’m projecting but I’m curious to see what others think or if they have similar experiences.
@biancaporto4119 3 місяці тому
I love how even thought Angel was being beaten and abused by Valentino he still was worried about Charlie and didn't want Valentino to hurt her. That was so sweet.
@darabounds6671 3 місяці тому
3:10 my cousin once said "sometimes the red flags can be like cozy blankets"
@sammwaisman3638 3 місяці тому
19:54 I think what solidifies that for me, is that in the song that Angel sings, he says "What's the worst part of this hell? I can only blame myself", he doesn't see his situation as "this person manipulated me to end up like this", more like the "i should have know" or "i am weak for keeping this situation going", again whit his song, he says "I shoulda guessed that this would happen". Annyways, love your content, specialy has a psicology major, kisses from the home of porotos con rienda and sopaipillas, Chile.
@tahraethestoryteller6079 3 місяці тому
Considering his past in the mafia where they managed prostitution and the fact that his father abused him as well he feels like he should have seen what Val was like from the get-go
@_toasty_- 3 місяці тому
angel believes it’s his fault because he signed the contract, causing all of this to happen
@sammwaisman3638 3 місяці тому
@@_toasty_- From what is known, considering that he had a previous "relationship" with Valentino, signing the contract may have been under the illusion that it was not going to be something really bad or, on the other hand, it may have been directly that with a relationship toxic already established, under threat. Personally, I understand that line as his relationship with him beyond the contract, of "letting himself be fooled" and continuing with him, including "selling" his soul. But idk
@happyholly5918 3 місяці тому
Dios,esas partes realmente duelen
@willparry530 3 місяці тому
@@sammwaisman3638 I think you are most likely correct
@lilyayora 3 місяці тому
What really stood out to me is that Valentino explicitly isn't intimidating to the audience. He looks, acts, and even sounds kinda goofy. Even the way he backhands Angel in the context of sinners getting literally dismembered every episode, doesn't make him look extremely intimidating or powerful. But *to Angel he is*. Angel is genuinely scared of Valentino not just for himself (since Val owns his soul) but for *Charlie* too. When Charlie makes a mess at the studio and Valentino is beating Angel up in the studio he's actually begging to Valentino "Don't hurt *her*". While, by virtue of being the literal princess of hell, Charlie could probably fold Valentino in half. This speaks for Angel being empathic, sure, but it's also a very clear mirror of a problem many abuse victims face in real life, or at least one of the most prominent I see: Your abuser feels like the most powerful person in the world to YOU. At the same time, the abuser often isn't seen as intimidating at all by the outside world. (Narcissists are VERY good at this) This divide between the victim's feelings and the perspective of the world around them often makes it very difficult for victims to actually get the support and confidence they need to get away.
@vaughnhaney7020 2 місяці тому
Conversely, one thing that I think makes the scene hit so hard is its realism. Because it's such an over the top violent setting, it's easy to sort of tune out how violent it actually is, in a way. It's a cartoon, it's over the top to the point where violence can sometimes be goofy rather than scary. So, for this scene... It's utterly believable. There's no magic, no crazy weapons- just an abuser throwing around his victim. Also, kudos to the sound design and the voice acting. Angel's voice acting in particular is so heart wrenching- that little "ow" when he's being hurt in particular feels incredibly real. You can hear his panic and pain and just... Ugh. Val is such a well constructed character but man do I hate him for what he does to Angel
@Neku628 28 днів тому
Another example of abuse i can think of is Ed from Ed Edd n Eddy. We just see hints of his parents abusing him, the active abuser we see is Sarah always lashing out with threats and physical violence.@vaughnhaney7020
@Yanyxx 3 місяці тому
Twitter says Loser, Baby song is victim blaming, They dont REALIZE that the ONLY way YOU'D FORGIVE YOURSELF, is to understand whats wrong with you, what's downing you, what's holding you back from forgiving yourself.
@Chiffawndue 2 місяці тому
This hits hard. Not as a survivor of abuse. But seeing it happen to my mom when I was young. I didn’t truly know what she was going through, what he was doing to her, until I saw him slamming her in the car door as she tried to go to work. I have such a grudge against this guy. I had to skip a couple funerals because he was going to be there. It would’ve taken everything in me not to harm him for hurting her. She stayed with him to protect us. I’ve no doubt if he would’ve hurt us if she left. When she finally got away from him, she was so scared. He broke her windshield with a brick. A brick that was going to be used to hurt her. She had to call my bio dad to come and stay the night with us because she was so scared, tired, and weak mentally in that moment. She’s in a happy, loving relationship with my stepdad now. I love both of them very much. But seeing Angel go through this after watching my own mother go through something similar hurt.
@starissus Місяць тому
I’m so sorry that happened to your mother. I am glad she is alright now ❤
@Kyoril 3 місяці тому
I really really want Angel dust to be redeemed. I have a friend who's real life story is the earthly mirror of Angel dusts' life in hell. Thankfully she managed to get out from under that control. But it's taken a visible toll on her physical and mental health. She'll suffer severe ptsd the rest of her life. And she identifies with Angel so much, that seeing Angel redeemed would be cathartic for her.
@willbunch01 3 місяці тому
His name is angel, that’s some pretty heavy handed foreshadowing that he will end up as an angel and be redeemed. I just hope husk/cherry go with him.
@undertakernumberone1 3 місяці тому
Angel Dust refers to a drug though. Phencyclidin
@IlyaLavendae 3 місяці тому
I think it will be a while before hes redeemed (if he does get redeemed) vivzie confirmed that him and husk are going to have a slow burn relationship, so if he does get redeemed, hopefully they both get redeemed.
@IlyaLavendae 3 місяці тому
@@willbunch01 Angel is short for angel dust, which is a drug, hes simply named after a drug.
@brolytriplethreat 3 місяці тому
I mean define redeemed. I dunno if he'll be going to Heaven anytime soon, being a main character, especially while his soul is owned, but from a sheer character arc standpoint, there isn't even that much to "redeem" him from, moreso just freeing him from abuse.
@thegaspoweredjohnnyjohn3972 3 місяці тому
Oooh, yesss, I was wondering when therapists would analyze Hazbin Hotel characters, specifically Angel Dust
@worthybutter2004 3 місяці тому
Cursed Wallace, is that you?!
@tsilentv9702 3 місяці тому
A note on the skit Charlie had them do; Angel was addicted to the drug Angel Dust and signed with Valentino in order to satisfy that addiction… so the role Angel portrayed might have also led to him being upset as well. He’s playing someone who takes advantage of others just as he was taken advantage of… this coupled with the attention and praise Sir Pentious received really hit Angel’s self-esteem. That might also be one reason Angel accepts Valentino and went to check his messages. Valentino is both Angel’s biggest supporter and worst enemy. He will say the sweetest things while also constantly threatening Angel… in Angel’s eyes… at least episode 1-4, Valentino’s opinion on him is the only one that matters. It’s his identity and he must cope with that… play the part. It’s one of the reasons Angel is a very beloved character; he’s an accurate portrayal of a victim. He lies to himself, takes the abuser’s stance on his worth, and ultimately felt trapped. That’s what made episode 7 so exciting. We saw Angel stand up to his abuser~ I couldn’t have been more proud~
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
yes that is so true it was charlie having a blinder to where angel really is
@OdesseyAchilles-ih5qb 2 місяці тому
18:00 poor Angel is so terrified he doesn’t stop to think, if Valentino did try to hurt Charlie, Lucifer would torture him beyond mortal comprehension and then end him completely. He’s the originator of Hell, the King, Valentino can’t even compare in terms of sheer power. No matter how many souls he collects, or allies he manages to draw in, he can’t overtake the Fallen One himself, especially if he’s triggered Lucifer’s biggest trigger, his one and only precious child.
@hailsatan6678 2 місяці тому
Yeah, but Angel doesn't know that Luci is the way he is yet. For all he knows, Luci is a straight-up deadbeat who never interacts with Charlie at all.
@user-ww6dn1ni4g 3 місяці тому
Ironically Charlie could annihilate val like nothing; but,I think this also says something about the abused mindset your abuser may be weaker than someone who wants to defend you but you may see them as an unstoppable force.
@Stargazer_Ley 3 місяці тому
While you do have a point there's also another at play here. Angel sees Charlie as naive, innocent. Having someone like Val threaten her could show that all the power in the world won't protect her from the mental trauma Val can inflict. It shows that while Charlie is physically stronger than Val, Val is manipulative and cruel in a way Charlie just can't be because that's not who she is and Angel knows that. If Val is willing to hurt her then it shows he's more dangerous than he looks.
@colorbar.s 3 місяці тому
@@Stargazer_Ley exactly!!
@mathewunknown8266 3 місяці тому
Val is completely in control there. It doesnt matter that she is stronger, she cant really do sht. Val can simply threaten her with torture of Angel which she cant prevent in any way. People should stop thinking about power levels as flat constant.
@Skrunkly_Velvet_Worm 3 місяці тому
I misread annihilate as “inhale“ 😭😭😭
@dazzlingdexter5060 3 місяці тому
Exactly
@kaye_go_moo9790 3 місяці тому
The fact that Angel stood up to Val to protect Nifty is great.
@dakotareynolds4421 Місяць тому
As an abuse/SA survivor, this is distressing and something noone should go through. I lost my daughter due to the abuse... I relate to angel because of his trauma and i love the show and how everything is portrayed, even with trigger warnings on episode 4, i watched it but the nightmares and flashbacks got worse but people should feel safe enough to speak up.
@dakotareynolds4421 Місяць тому
I'm so glad I have therapy tomorrow... I just broke from how accurate this is... "A place where I can get high and not have to think about how much it hurts. If I can ruin myself enough in the process, I won't be his favorite toy anymore."
@riakun 3 місяці тому
That’s very interesting how they play out the abuse cycle in the show. Like, angel definitely has that protectiveness over Charlie, because he cares for her. He tells Val not to hurt her. Angel may already know that Charlie cannot be hurt by Val (easily), but Angel might also know that he would hurt Charlie by hurting him. Angel knows that he can take the abuse the Val throws at him. He knows what Val is like, but he is so scared for her because seeing Angel in pain would ruin her emotionally. It’s an absolutely heartbreaking scene. But I’m glad that they showed it because that’s what it’s like. Either he is scared that Val can actually physically hurt her, or he knows that Val can emotionally hurt her. Either way, Angel is protecting his friend, and you get to see what Angel is really like. I’m just sad that he Goes through what he does.
@spaghtti 3 місяці тому
There's also the possible idea that Val has traumatized Angel to such a point where he thinks Val will actually overpower and cause harm to Charlie (his impulsive nature would get him to fight with her even though there is a power gap between them). Just to show how truly terrified of Val Angel is and how he doesn't want to involve anyone else, pinning the blame and Val's anger all on him to protect Charlie.
@brolytriplethreat 3 місяці тому
@spaghtti yeah I think it's moreso that. He's so afraid of Val (and Charlie is generally so nice and harmless) that he is too afraid to rationally think about the situation.
@riakun 2 місяці тому
@@brolytriplethreat @spaghtti I agree with both of you for sure. A lot of the time, abused people are so beaten down and scared of their abusers that they are gaslit into thinking that they (the abusers) are the most powerful, and scary, person in the world, and that they can hurt anyone. I’ve definitely seen it from people who have been through it. They often times think they’re completely powerless, when often times, the abusers don’t actually have a lot of power themselves.
@Blackdragon99omfg 3 місяці тому
12:38 there is a second aspect to this people don't notice/know without looking into the podcasts. Valentino's saliva and smoke is a literal roofie. His licking people or blowing smoke is him drugging and controlling them. In the videos we see he uses just a little bit to influence Angel. Such as the gang BDSM abuse scene, he blows into Angel's face to help him "disassociociate disappear." We also see Val's saliva used as drugs later in the episode. Val just SLATHERED Charlie in drugs, his power, and tried to influence her and he was DENIED hard. Charlie effortlessly blew his powers off without seeming to even know what she did. Val is powerless against Charlie, while Angel clearly holds power over her. Angel also has ties to the Lord of Greed. Anthony is a mafia blood member. Angel has just indirectly shown he could be stronger than Val. Val was just humiliated several times by Charlie's mere resistance to him.
@gaycryptidhours 2 місяці тому
Oh thanks for sharing, I didn't know that at all. It adds even more awful layers to the situation! 🥺
@arguablyso1577 3 місяці тому
One of my favorite phrases for negative and hurtful behaviors that also have a reason to be present is "It's an explanation, not an excuse."
@ember_Matic 2 місяці тому
Finally, someone finally sees angel dust as a well developed character and not just a stereotype. Hazbin hotels characters put a spark of enjoyment in my soul because there’s finally a new show that has actual character depth and enjoyment for those characters.
@nutmegdoesstuff1339 3 місяці тому
An incredible visual subtlety moment (this series doesn't get enough credit for those imo) is the way that throughout the series, Angel's had that matching golden tooth with Val, but then when he stands up to him in episode 6 and tells him "Yeah, you can do what you want to me, but you're not touching my friends.", the lighting shifts in a way to make the golden tooth look white like the rest of them, just a slight bit of the gold left on the edges until it cuts away.
@azazellon 2 місяці тому
I noticed that, made the connection once I realized they both had the gold tooth. Is it yet another mark Val's put on Angel? To claim him as his own?
@MrBulbo-oz1es 2 місяці тому
@@azazellonProbably. That tooth is on all of val’s actors.
@ThatGUY666666 3 місяці тому
An unfortunate irony is that I think Angel saved Val not once but twice. First when he stopped Charlie from attacking him and the second time when he interfered with Nifty. She may not be an overlord but I am sure that little gremlin would have found a way. Glad to hear Huskar will be getting a video. Hopefully we will be getting videos on Lucifer, Adam, Sera, and of course Alastor
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
I don't think they took the angelic steel dagger from her, we can only hope.
@ThatGUY666666 3 місяці тому
@@anitaremenarova6662 I am very sure that I do NOT want to know what is going on Nifty's head but if she has the dagger and someone just so happens to say "Stab the mothman", I will not weep when she succeeds.
@jeffreyherrera5069 3 місяці тому
Even Val himself seems to realize that he dodged a bullet. He calls Angel lucky he makes him money when Val should consider himself lucky Angel's as dedicated to his friends as much as he is.
@mathewunknown8266 3 місяці тому
Val wasn't in danger in that scene. Why people think Charlie could do sht? He has control of Angel, Charlie cares about Angel, therefore he controls Charlie. Even if she kills him, he will just come back, and guess who will get tortured to no end? Also noone takes her seriously, noone thinks she is strong.
@Its_Asteria 3 місяці тому
@@mathewunknown8266 Val wouldn't come back, I'm pretty sure her power is the equivalent of an angelic weapon if I recall correctly.
@bloodybee3553 3 місяці тому
He would rather people reject Angel, not Anthony. His line about "if I can ruin myself enough in the process" reminds me of a book I read about three years ago, in high school. The book "I only said I was telling the truth." In this book, a young girl suffers sexual abuse from her father, and she narrates all of her mental struggles, including this self-destructive process of trying to make herself less appealing. The story does have a happy ending, but the journey was a difficult one
@Cacowninja Місяць тому
What's the book?
@bloodybee3553 Місяць тому
@@Cacowninja Dude, I said the title in my comment
@Cacowninja Місяць тому
@@bloodybee3553 Oh sorry I see it now.
@MayaKetchum 3 місяці тому
I love the cinematography during Angel yelling at Charlie. You almost always see Valentino or it almost instantly includes Valentino in the shot, implying that this isn't what Angel wants to say but it's what Valentino wants to say and is getting Angel to say it for him.
@controllerfreak78 3 місяці тому
Something interesting is that Charlie, while she doesn’t look it, has both more physical power and social status than Valentino, and could easily either kill him or politically ruin him if she wanted to. Angel should know this intellectually, but he’s more afraid of his abuser than he trusts Charlie, which is sad but realistic. Often victims of abuse see their abusers as stronger and scarier than they really are, because the abuser has conditioned the victim to see them as such
@exoticjadeyyy 2 місяці тому
This is so true.
@slashermaster28 3 місяці тому
When it came to Angel, I noticed most of the backlash he got was because people expected him to just make a complete turnaround in the pilot as if none of these people could tell he was obviously set up as part of the main cast, meaning it would have been weird for him to undergo a complete arc in his introductory episode. That brief moment where he actually shows sympathy towards Charlie, nope, that meant absolutely nothing.
@SuperDoomNinja 3 місяці тому
One of the things that stuck out and really resonated with me. Was the moment Valentino grabbed Angel by the arm to lead him to the back room. Subtle enough to not fully tip off Charlie but clearly painful and done to make Angel feel small and powerless even before the beating began. I know that grip and have felt that grip, so that made me flinch even more than the punch. People, me included at times, only see Hazbin's Over-the-top moments. But the subtleness of those movements and moments really shows the passion these animators have for their art. And it keeps me coming back despite some of its rough edges.
@FearlessFighterAkida 3 місяці тому
Thank you for :28:07. So many people took it as HUsk making it about himself, in when actuality he was opening up and relating so Angel didn't feel alone. Sure he isn't going through /exactly/ what Angel is going through, but too many people think that you can't relate to anyone unless you are going through the exact same thing and opening up to relate to someone isn't making the situation about you - its about forming a connection.
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
thank you for mentioning that, yes it is a fine line which i think husk did perfectly cause it make angel feel less alone and judged
@trashpandabebes6784 3 місяці тому
Thank you for making this! I swear I could write an entire essay on the depiction of Angel's hypersexuality as a trauma response and how well it's done when hypersexuality is such a stigmatized trauma response. I love that he breaks the mold of the "perfect victim" and just actually feels human.
@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128 3 місяці тому
I've known someone a lot like Valentino in many ways. Shared a living space with him. It was the single most terrifying experience of my life, and I've never seen someone like that portrayed this accurately, period. The mood swings, the insecurity, the pettiness. The way people like Valentino use their own mental instability as a weapon to terrorise everyone around them is horrifying. Not only because you have no idea what they're going to do next, but also because nothing is off the table for them. You get in their way, offend them (which is easy as breathing considering they already despise you), "make too much noise," remind them you exist when they want to pretend you don't, and they could do anything from make a mean, dismissive comment, yell and throw things, or actually beat the hell out of you, and you have no idea which it's going to be until it happens. They're also experts at turning people against each other. Isolating their victims by poisoning the relationships they have with others, or use threats of violence against one to gain control over the other. Keep yourselves safe everyone Edit: 22:39. I literally can't tell you how much I needed to hear that. Thanks Georgia
@rosarolli 3 місяці тому
Felt that. My mum is kinda like that
@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128 3 місяці тому
@@rosarolli I'm so sorry you have to deal with that. It's always so much harder when they're family. Hope you're doing okay
@summerrose7650 2 місяці тому
The narcissism, the anger, the desire for absolute control and the insecurity. I know it all too well because I see it in my father. So when you brought it up, so many things were just clicking in my head that it made me feel dizzy.
@sc4rredb0n3zzz 2 місяці тому
holy shit im so sorry. i hope youre okay.
@clawedcannibal 3 місяці тому
Thank you for making this video. I’ve seen lots of people, including abuse/SA victims, saying that this show is fetishizing abusive relationships and that its inappropriate. As a SA victim I found it to be very real and extremely accurate and felt quite hurt seeing others saying it was bad. Even if uncomfortable, I think it is very important to push the media to show things like this WITHOUT making jokes about it.
@DanGamingFan2846 3 місяці тому
First of all, amazing costume yet again. Second, I love Angel so much. He's so much more than a flirtatiousadultfilm star. Beneath it all is a vulnerable person who's been through terrible treatment, and even so, genuinely cares for his friends and wants to protect them. I wish the best for this spider.
@watershipup7101 3 місяці тому
Very much agreed. He has so many layers to peel back and cry from.
@waterbullstudios9195 3 місяці тому
I respect him for surviving all this.
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
Thank you so much for the support and agree with you on Angel
@thusnameddigital9397 3 місяці тому
No matter what happens, I'm routing for him.
@willparry530 3 місяці тому
@@waterbullstudios9195 hear hear!
@mihajlomihajlovic788 3 місяці тому
It's also very heart-warming that after this (spoiler alert) you can see how closer husk and angel become, angel starts acting more like his "true self" around husk and can actually talk to him as a friend who he can be real with and relate, rather than flirt and come onto him to further push his "persona". Awesome video Doc. Keep going cant wait for more content 🙏❤️
@g.yad.4758 3 місяці тому
Yes!!
@RaptieFeathers 2 місяці тому
Also, he finally has someone he can vent to about Valentino, someone who understands and won't judge. That's exactly what people like Angel often need. Someone who helps them see they're not alone, and that will be there and have their back
@MrBulbo-oz1es 2 місяці тому
One additional bit of fluff. You know how the eyes of a cat tend to be larger when they’re looking at something they like? Go back through and look at Husk’s eyes before and after this scene when he’s with Angel.
@braidij7598 Місяць тому
14:35 i feel like one action that is missed a lot is how Val feels up Angels chest before throwing him. Even when insulting, shouting at, and punishing Angel, trying to prove his power, Val still manipulates Angels body
@karkosgiehex 3 місяці тому
Sometimes... familiar abuse is more reassuring than unfamiliar support. We take the attention we can get, and learn to never expect more, if the abuse is all we know.
@Narutosonicrule1245 3 місяці тому
Angel also has the tendency to talk about how much he hates his work to Husk when he's gotten drunk enough. Another thing he did, was standing up to Valentino in a club because Nifty got close to him. Originally seeing him there made Angel want the group to leave, go somewhere else, but his care of Nifty was stronger, especially since he was trying to look out for her as it was her first time in the club and getting drunk. Which I think tells a lot, as someone who's been emotionally abused, I did end up dumping the friend who was causing it, because my love and loyalty to my other friends was stronger, and I didn't want to lose them.
@felixrivera895 3 місяці тому
I wouldn't say "comfort" in the regular patterns of abuse, but maybe consistency? Predictability?
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
it is a strange way but has been how some say they feel. The area you know but yes perhaps they would say it differently when they are out of it as well
@furyking380 3 місяці тому
Would "familiarity" be a better fit? "The same old familiar poison" type vibe? (Pun not intended, but enjoyed)
@alexjewett7455 3 місяці тому
Maybe familiarity would be a better word for it.
@spaceaxolotl6196 3 місяці тому
A lot of people who have been victims of abuse either as a child or later on in life tend to subconsciously seek out people who are also abusive because that is all you know and your limits of what you are willing to tolerate in a relationship are blown way out of proportion by what you are used to. It becomes easy for you to excuse a partner's abusive behavior later in life because you've been through worse So what you are going through now can't be that bad right which is how these people often tend to reason with it. This is coming from someone who grew up in an abusive household and then later on ended up in an abusive relationship and there are a lot of people like me who were abused as children and then end up in abusive relationships because of this and it is also something my mom did as well. Obviously this isn't going to be everyone's experience, but it is a common experience among past victims of abuse
@riverofunholystakes 2 місяці тому
I haven’t been through THIS kind of abuse, just emotional abuse, and I’d say yeah, I’ve used the word comfort many times to describe the familiarity of the situation, even if I know it’s not comfortable or nice at all.
@autumn.jackalope 3 місяці тому
I love Angel so much, he was always my favourite. Not only for how deep and complex his character is, but also how - unfortunately - relatable he is for the past me. He's just amazing, I almost cried when hearing "Poison" for the first time and then again hearing "You're a looser baby" because I was just happy for him finally dropping his mask and trusting someone, because he understands that Husk accepts his fragile side and is willing to be his true friend. They're gonna end up in a relationship, I think, basing on how Husk looks at him in the last episode.
@TotalNoobAtEverythin 3 місяці тому
I remember seeing somebody complaining about the song Loser Baby because their take away from it was “yeah your life sucks, get over it” but it was much more about how you may hate yourself, and you may be struggling, but there is always someone who will acknowledge you and accept you. I think that’s something a lot of people need to hear. “Your life sucks, my life sucks, but if we stick together it will suck a little less” I know quite a few people who feel like “life sucks for everyone” actually makes them feel better lol
@twilight3272 3 місяці тому
In that first scene, I think it’s also that Angel recognizes but also doesn’t want to admit that he’s been putting in a pretty shoddy effort and now that someone else is doing what he’s supposed to be doing better than him, his worth and position in the group is being usurped.
@SoleroStrike 3 місяці тому
Can’t believe how quickly you’re cranking out the Hazbin Hotel related videos.
@josh0156 3 місяці тому
To be fair, the show's characters have plenty to analyze and unpack.
@randomotakunerd 3 місяці тому
I'm more impressed how quick she makes these little cosplays she wears for the videos.
@lovelywallflower4274 2 місяці тому
As someone who survived an abusive relationship Angels more appropriately Anthony’s character hit me so hard and connected with his character right off the bat
@madsbolt4121 2 місяці тому
This actually hit so hard cuz my dad emotionally abused my mom for years and almost everything you said I recognized A LOT
@GeorgiaDow 2 місяці тому
i hope it helped with being seen
@RatchetSly 3 місяці тому
The scene after Poison, with Angel & Husk's confrontation at the Hotel bar, is worth highlighting as well; you can see the exact moment the tired, traumatized Anthony composes himself and put on the confident, overly-flirty persona mask of Angel Dust. Even with his back turned, I'm sure Husk noticed it as well, given he immediately focuses on getting Angel to drop the mask, only to lose patience with the spider's come-ons and start yelling.
@Theonetheonlypikamain 3 місяці тому
One thing I've noticed is that every time Angel's voice cracks is like the mask cracks and Anthony's showing. From the more emotional scenes like in the studio to the song where the voice cracks as well. Another thing is his design is his eyes. Both have the pink pupils but one is black while the other is yellow-ish. I interpret this as Angel and Anthony. Angel being the dark eye AKA empty and Anthony having a different color. Lastly his holden tooth is the same as Val's, I interpret this as Val marking what's his, like how a child might write down their name on their favorite toy or thing. Just simply how I interpret Angel and his design (he's probably my favorite character after Alistor).
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
That is really perceptive, i will take notice to this on my next watch through
@Theonetheonlypikamain 3 місяці тому
@@GeorgiaDow sounds gud 👍
@kratkartan1486 3 місяці тому
Episode 4 was one of the hardest ones to watch for me. Watching Angel being abused like that. I'm so glad that he found someone to be the shoulder he can cry on. In later episodes we do see him gaining confidence in himself, and starting the positive changes in his life.
@SereneIceDragon 2 місяці тому
I had a feeling Angel would be a favorite character of mine the first time I saw him look upset at not being praised for helping the hotel. You could tell there was so much more to him at that point, and when he stood up to Val for his friends was such an amazing moment. Watching him stand up to his abuser like that was so empowering and even though he's just a character I was so proud of him! I love how his character seems shallow but is actually one of the deepest ones.
@djwilson4180 3 місяці тому
As someone who was in an emotionally abusive relationship, it is VERY hard to see this scene, but I'm glad that things like this are being brought to light. And thank YOU for going into such detail about such a serious topic. I've been out of that relationship for about three years and I've recently found the love of my life. He has treated me with nothing but love and respect, I personally couldn't be happier! Cheers!❤
@SauceyRedHN 3 місяці тому
Hoping for an Alastor video soon, I’d like to see particularly his narcissism/egotism being broken down, as well as his moments showing affection toward others (Mimzy, Niffty, Rosie). After his scene at the end of the finale, I’ve SOMEHOW gotten even MORE interested in him. He’s my favorite character so I’m excited for an analysis video about him and hoping it’ll be as long as this one.
@alexisjonna683 3 місяці тому
Oh my god PLEEEEEEAAAASE
@mathewunknown8266 3 місяці тому
We know next to nothing about him. There is no point speculating on him until we know more.
@SauceyRedHN 2 місяці тому
@@mathewunknown8266 Have you changed your mind after watching her video on him?
@mathewunknown8266 2 місяці тому
@@SauceyRedHN No
@AutumnCat14 2 місяці тому
I honestly love Angel so much, not beacause of his sassiness or his cool desing, but rather how complex his character is. I relate to him so many times, (my dad is a narcisist) as an abuse survivor it really hits hard.
@RavenSoulifer 3 місяці тому
I love the relationship growing between Angel and Husker. Husk is the only one that sees right through Angel, and he's the only one other than Cherri that Angel has broke down and dropped the facade in front of.
@someguy4384 3 місяці тому
One thing i think a lot of people don't understand about an abusive relationship is that it becomes addictive. In Hazbin Hotel it's very overt with Val's aphrodisiac saliva and literal chains on Anthony/Angel Dust, but in real life it's much harder to point out. People do go through withdrawls when they get out of an abusive relationship. They feel the need to go back for a lot of reasons, but part of it is so they can "normalize," the hormones in their brain. It's like clinical depression, or even just working a stressful job. Take away that hormonal default and everything feels wrong, even when it's not.
@WinterPains 3 місяці тому
Yup. I had a toxic relationship that lasted only two weeks, but the want to message them didnt go away for months. Even now, 2 years later...
@someguy4384 2 місяці тому
@@WinterPains Stay strong. Play some League of Legends. Get that toxicity fix elsewhere. It's like a nicotine patch, but for toxicity.
@DawnRego 3 місяці тому
I hope this video gets put at the top of everyone's recommendations. Thorough and thoughtful video that will make anyone a better person.
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
That means so much to me = )
@thatcactusboi 3 місяці тому
I love Angel Dust. He's been my favorite character since the pilot, and it's taken a long time for me to figure out why. I resonate with his character a lot. His trauma, the way he self medicates to deal with all of it. The way he plays off the darkness as a joke and/or part of who he is because you can't hurt me with who I am if I'm 'proud' of it. Yet how he would throw himself into the fire to protect his friends. Watching Angel's story is like looking in a mirror and finally feeling seen. I love that they wrote him how they did, because it's a side of being an SA survivor that doesn't get a lot of attention, isn't done well, or people say isn't a real response for people who go through SA.
@Energizajenny Місяць тому
I'm a recovering addict who has survived an All-For-One bundle of abuse. When I started watching HH I didn't expect to find a character that would really speak to me on such a deep personal level. While I wasn't in that industry for work, everything else was like looking in a mirror of my past and present.
@AhmadJackson 3 місяці тому
I love angel. His song poison .....makes me SO FREAKEN SAD
@jaywerner8415 3 місяці тому
And then LOSER BABY kicks in.
@WaTahBasTard 3 місяці тому
Ironically when Anthony blew up at Charlie he does start to get a feel of his own power and thus Set a Boundary for Charlie to respect... Its important when trying to get someone out of an abusive relationship that you don't make the situation worse by escalating the cycle of abuse.
@Stargazer_Ley 3 місяці тому
I love that Charlie's take away from all of this was that she crossed a boundary. Sure she was hurt and Angel forgave her but she intruded where she wasn't invited and could have been hurt. I think she knows that. I think she knows, deep down, that he was trying to protect her just as he knows that she didn't mean any harm and was only trying to help.
@hehehehehe27 Місяць тому
As someone who has been in an abusive relationship, we often care so much because we don't want others to ever feel the way we did. We know how much it hurts and we don't want others we care about to suffer.
@newtmas2505 3 місяці тому
One thing that I’ve noticed is that there’s a lot of overlap between all kinds of abuse. I was never a victim of sexual abuse or pimps, but I was severely bullied as a kid and teenager by someone who I believed was my friend. One thing I actually wanted to say was that something I do (but I’m working on) is I tell lies about myself. What I did last night, what tv shows I watch, how much about certain topics I know. The reason is what you talked about, where you hide yourself because it’s not so scary to face judgement or rejection if what’s being judged or rejected isn’t really you
@adamgrunther1367 3 місяці тому
I’ve been waiting for this one. Thank you so much. I never expected Angel Dust to become my favorite character in the show but I ended up loving him so much. The fourth episode of this show as a whole in particular is what helped me come out as Bi, so I really appreciate it for that. Thank you again for doing a video on Angel Dust!
@mochiattoart514 3 місяці тому
Honestly thanks sm for this video, I figured out years ago that I had narcissistic, controlling, and abusive tendencies. I've taken many steps to adress them and improve, but every time I hear stuff in media adressing this I still feel insulted, offended, and angry. In a way I was like both Angel and Val, telling myself through a persona that my life is perfect, and I'm perfect, so I never have to hate myself for my mistakes and I never have a bad day. And when I get called out, I justify it and try to fix it and turn the critic into an enemy for shattering that persona. That's why Loser Baby was such a healing song.
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
thank you for sharing this. It is a difficult cycle to break and it is wonderful you are working towards living better for yourself and those around you. Keep it up
@MsAvedis 3 місяці тому
You are not alone in this and I have let myself become my own worst enemy and lose myself because I was afraid and anxious of losing friends thinking that they would not want me contacting them anymore at all. But somewhere deep down I need to do better and hopefully I can redeem myself and heal and they too heal.
@optionhotdogmeowkshake4090 2 місяці тому
Dressing room scene broke my heart 💔 to see angel so vulnerable and getting hurt was the worst 😢
@TheVanclif 3 місяці тому
Funny thing, that Angel tryes to protectCharley, while she is, by far, the most powerfull character in the room...
@David.-.Garcia 3 місяці тому
I loved this shows depiction of abuse and abusive relationships, in this case Angel has a contract that prevents him from leaving Valentino, but in reality a lot of abuse victims have kids, pets or don't have the means to get out and it feels like this, also the poison video depicting disassociation like that wow, and don't get me wrong this is a HEAVY topic for a show to tacle with but it should be more talk about because yes is horrible and we don't want to romanticize it but at the same time people need to see what horrible thing it is instead of be told about it. Also Charlie wanting to help but getting Angel in more trouble is so well written, a lot of us would had jump to kick Valentino's ass when he threw Angel to the bed, but sometimes you need to be smart with abuser because if you confront them at the wrong time or in the wrong way they might be able to isolate the victim from you because "you are a bad influence" or something like that. And finally the song "Loser baby" OMFG, a lot of people tell you "its going to be alright", "it gets better","you'll get through it" but they talk future and a lot of victims or people with depression think in present and it might be difficult for them to see something getting better soon enough, so sometimes is great to have someone tell you "yeah your situation sucks but I'm here because I get it" and it might sound rough but for someone in a situation like that understanding is better receive than encouragement.
@felisazure1820 3 місяці тому
Angel Dust is such a comfort character as someone who's been in an abusive relationship in the past. I really adore how much care and love went into your analysis of this, lots of love.
@Charliesreptiles 2 місяці тому
Angel´s kindness and protectiveness were what made me like him most in the whole series. I absolutely love your video, these are exactly the things I saw as well.
@TraumaCoreCentral 3 місяці тому
Angel's abuse is almost a carbon copy of mine- I've been through almost the same exact events we've seen Angel in while around Valentino for exactly two years, and I'm gonna say, I'm not proud of what I'd done, and I'm most certainly not proud of my life choices during that time, but I'm slowly healing in a new environment, and I have so many friends and family that have helped me escape from the abuse, even those who saw it from the very beginning. It's hard having to deal with the guilt and stress of it all, and I've been to therapy twice, but it still doesn't take away the painful memories- when it gets worse in my head is when I turn to alcohol or other things that can take my mind off of it- if I notice I have a craving for alcohol or something else, I know it's gotten worse, and whenever I try and speak out about it, not everyone will listen, so finding videos like this help me cope with the fact that I made a terrible mistake that is going to scar me for a long time-
@zecfae9453 3 місяці тому
Literally made me cry. I’ve been trying to figure out how to explain the type of abuse my father would use against me. This hit it word for word.
@GhostCore23 2 місяці тому
I can relate to angel because my uncle and grandma abuses me emotionally and my uncle abuses me physically and mentally...
@TheJesterGuy_ Місяць тому
@@GhostCore23 I wish I could do something else other than say sweet words but as the "Loser, Baby" song says: while you are in a bad situation, remember that you're not alone and that even myself can relate to yours and Angel's story. Despite this I urge you to become the best version you can be, be strong for yourself and never lose hope of better days. If you can, try to seek help online or locally and tell about your situation with a professional. I can even suggest record everything you can through audios or videos with your phone and use them as an evidence against them both but don't be too obvious about it. And don't worry: the sun will shine to us both again someday.
@Cacowninja Місяць тому
@@GhostCore23 Are you still being abused?
@GhostCore23 Місяць тому
@@Cacowninja have been my whole life but it doesn't matter LOL
@GhostCore23 Місяць тому
@@TheJesterGuy_ thx
@zoobMer 3 місяці тому
not gonna mention how he defended Niffty at the cost to his own safety? edit: people in the replies saying my comments are "passive agressive": I don't quite understand what that means? I was just giving some _very blunt and direct_ feedback of what I thought!
@GeorgiaDow 3 місяці тому
angels heroics will get its own video
@zoobMer 3 місяці тому
@@GeorgiaDow I just thought it tied into the video, since he stood up to his absuer; but okay.
@CS-zb7hx 3 місяці тому
@@zoobMer This is such a weird tone to take with a content creator
@ZweiForgot 3 місяці тому
@@CS-zb7hx real 💀 idk why people act like they're entitled to stuff in videos, like why does that comment have 30 likes????
@zoobMer 3 місяці тому
@@CS-zb7hx what I do?
@justicelynn 3 місяці тому
as someone who relates to so many of angels traumas, his backstory hits home for me. i’ve never connected to a character before like i do angel.
@BrittanyArtPoetry 3 місяці тому
One thing I would mention is that when Val says he owns Angel he is being literal. Angel literally can’t leave even if he chose to because of the deal. It is an abusive relationship but I think Angel would take those steps to leave if he could, but he can’t.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
He already did start taking those steps. Yes, there's the whole fantastical aspect but at the end of the day all abusive relationships are about one's mental state. Now that Angel has a support network with people that genuinely care about him and can be there for him Valentino no longer owns his entire being, just his body which means he's halfway through healing.
@undertakernumberone1 3 місяці тому
@@anitaremenarova6662he owns his SOUL, body attached.
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