Homemade BMS - Balanced LiPo Charger Multiple Cells and Current Limit

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🔥Today we test some circuits for a homemade BMS to charge, protect and balance our battery pack. We add current limit, balance mode for more than 2S packs and stop the charging process at 4.2V for each cell.
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00:00 Intro
02:00 Why we need BMS?
03:19 How Balanced Charger Works
04:42 1S Circuit
07:25 1S Test
09:37 3S Circuit
11:17 3S Test
12:36 Thank you
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 453
@tom95076
@tom95076 Місяць тому
This project made me rethink my setup with an Adafruit solar charger. For my timemachine project to run longer using an Arduino Pro at 3.3v. I placed two Lipo Batteries in Parallel to have the same output of 3.7v with a larger running time or capacity when the sun was gone. I noticed the second battery drained more than the second battery once I place them in a commercial charger. Seeing your animations and showing single and multiple charging methods I now feel better about learning what are my mistakes. Thank You for sharing and keeping up on all the great content. Not everything is applicable but as makers we must learn from each other to share our project. Awesome overview and great tips. You are always setting the bar higher and higher for all makers.
@Undermada
@Undermada Рік тому
Probably one of the best videos I've ever saw with explanation of BMS! Thank you!
@len8752
@len8752 2 місяці тому
Great Video! I've been subscribed for the longest of time, but every now and then, you just publish more and more explanatory and informational videos that go briefly into the problems were are trying to solve step by step, stage by stage. Thank you so much! 6/5 Starts
@JohanDegraeveAanscharius
@JohanDegraeveAanscharius 2 роки тому
I read A LOT of explanations about BMS and to really understand it well, this is really the best. I let it rest overnight, asked myself questions, and looked at it again. Really, very very very best explanation out here!!
@ShivamKumar-rp8kr
@ShivamKumar-rp8kr 2 роки тому
I understood it well. Thanks for the simple explanation and animations. Loved it. ❤️
@maungmaungtint8572
@maungmaungtint8572 2 роки тому
I had to build this circuit. Good working . Thanks a lot for your sharing of experience.
@stevenA44
@stevenA44 2 роки тому
I've watched quit a few of your videos and I just decided to subscribe. I've seen a lot of the things you make that might come in handy in the future.
@jackwilliams2010
@jackwilliams2010 2 роки тому
I've watched a few bms videos before this. I have to compliment on how well you explain how this works and how to build your own. You are very underrated and deserve more recognition. 5 stars!
@ELECTRONOOBS
@ELECTRONOOBS 2 роки тому
Thank you very much!
@officializm4171
@officializm4171 2 роки тому
Very informative content. Dispelled many confusions. Thanks.
@mickeyfilmer5551
@mickeyfilmer5551 2 роки тому
excellent ! concise ,informative and articulate !
@DrJALAGHARI
@DrJALAGHARI 2 роки тому
What an easiest way to explain the difficult concepts. Amazing.
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza Рік тому
True, this is honestly why i stopped electric builds years ago
@ronostrenski8359
@ronostrenski8359 2 роки тому
Thanks. Built a 5S version and works well.
@ricardosanchez1638
@ricardosanchez1638 2 роки тому
Excellent! Bravo bravo, great presentation!!
@valteroscarjentsch
@valteroscarjentsch 9 місяців тому
Faz tempo que estava procurando um circuito como esse. Muito bom. Interessantes explicações. Congratulações!
@artursmihelsons415
@artursmihelsons415 2 роки тому
Mmm.. LM317 old school, that always works and is tested for decades.. 👍 431 references is used even in cheap BMS modules for batteries and ultracap's from China.. Great video!
@olaleyejoshua949
@olaleyejoshua949 9 місяців тому
Good 1. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech 2 роки тому
What an awesome circuit and I actually have all the components except the battery box but I could just print one
@backdemoletor4654
@backdemoletor4654 2 роки тому
Finally another great video to watch
@Clark-Mills
@Clark-Mills 2 роки тому
Error: The output of R2, R1, R10 voltage divider at 5:00 is supposed to feed into the Ref pin of the TL431 with Anode to negative and cathode to the BD140. If you just swap the AN/REF labelled pins on the schematic you should be right.
@mahargha_debnath
@mahargha_debnath 2 роки тому
bro have you tested your circuit please tell me it'll be a great help
@suzznshkya1098
@suzznshkya1098 Рік тому
So the reference pin of tl431 must be between R1 and R2 resistor?
@TechwithInduwara
@TechwithInduwara Рік тому
Yeah bro, I also saw there is a mistake, after i fix that issue it almost works fine, but i recommend others to use 22k and 1k resistors for that voltage divider connected to tl 431 ref pin cause the ref input voltage is higher when you use two of 20k resistors.
@alexvanstaden6734
@alexvanstaden6734 Рік тому
I also found that out after struggling setting the TL431. Good observation
@waltercortescarvajal7254
@waltercortescarvajal7254 Рік тому
Hi, would you be so kind as to share the corrected plan, with the values of each component, thanks
@Banana_Chris
@Banana_Chris 2 роки тому
This electrical Circuit explanations are very good an unique on youtube, you can make much more of that. And the way you do it, is very good, starting with the simplest case and after explaining it you explain more. In other books, videos etc. they always start with the most difficult case as example :D I also find didaktich very good when you ask questions. So, for example, "What would happen if I didn't connect this capacitor"? Then the viewer has to think about why the component is connected at all. Often, a circuit is only explained as "here comes a transistor, and behind it a resistor", but it is not explained "why" and what would happen if this component was not connected. I find this most important to really understand why the circuit contains the corresponding components.
@ELECTRONOOBS
@ELECTRONOOBS 2 роки тому
Thank you! I will take a look over other circuits as well!
@BorisSiber
@BorisSiber 9 місяців тому
Thank you. May the force be with you :)
@fiandaja2594
@fiandaja2594 2 роки тому
Thank you for the circuit explanation
@sebastianelcaio8040
@sebastianelcaio8040 2 роки тому
Amigo, que buen proyecto!!!! muchas gracias!!!! saludos desde Argentina GENIO
@IgorSantarek
@IgorSantarek 9 місяців тому
This is great explanation!
@captivator13
@captivator13 2 роки тому
Awesome content, Thanks bro :) Sam 🎵✌🏻
@rolandoreytorfonseca3112
@rolandoreytorfonseca3112 2 роки тому
Excelente proyecto! Muchas gracias desde Cuba
@power-max
@power-max 2 роки тому
Nice build! I am looking to build a BMS for a huge build with 1000 or more 18650s I have on hand. This circuit does have quite a few important limitations though: No under voltage protection No over temperature protection No over current protection. The DIY project could be massively improved with the use of a low power microcontroller for each cell monitoring the voltage and using galvanically isolated (optocouplers) in a token ring or CAN network to transmit data back to a more powerful MCU that manages the series string. Active balancing is harder for sure. I have one idea involving using lots of gate drive transformers and implementing small basic forward converters for each cell to dump energy into a shared AC square wave bus, but have yet to get it to work right in LTspice.
@vtorsi610
@vtorsi610 2 роки тому
This is the CHARGING "half" of a BMS. This does not have the LOAD "half" of a BMS ( load over-current & under-voltage ). He made that very clear at the beginning of the video.
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne 2 роки тому
Look at Adam Welch's channel ukposts.infovideos and search for 'diyBMS'.
@hoofheartedicemelted296
@hoofheartedicemelted296 2 роки тому
This is awesome sir. Is it possible to build such a circuit with 12v batteries in mind and how would the components change accordingly? Thank you.
@JamesFraley
@JamesFraley 2 роки тому
Great tutorial. Thank you
@AndriiBilous
@AndriiBilous Рік тому
Nice project! The point you dont need to use 2 LM317 to limit U and I. I faced to this case as well. There is a scheme that allows to do this with one LM317. The scheme is mentioned as Load Regulation in the datasheet. Anв as usuall you need to use addшtional transistor for hight current.
@prashantrai5102
@prashantrai5102 2 роки тому
THANKS THANKS THANKS A LOT FOR THE WONDERFUL EXPLAINATION
@ScienceLab760
@ScienceLab760 2 роки тому
Hi good video I always enjoy your content and learn about electronics, thanks for share
@greatrespect1549
@greatrespect1549 8 місяців тому
Your intro is great.
@rinokentie8653
@rinokentie8653 2 роки тому
Very interesting again!
@user-ih3kk8lh1v
@user-ih3kk8lh1v Рік тому
Nice video! What benefit is there to using this circuit over just putting the diodes in parallel with the battery?
@mahmoudtayel229
@mahmoudtayel229 2 роки тому
The best one ❤️😃
@vobinhthu5299
@vobinhthu5299 2 місяці тому
This project is very good!
@leehewitt9559
@leehewitt9559 2 роки тому
Spot on
@sinjhguddu4974
@sinjhguddu4974 2 роки тому
Very educative!
@Steve-wx1gk
@Steve-wx1gk 2 роки тому
Thank you so much mate :)
@judahosuigwe
@judahosuigwe 9 місяців тому
Thanks so much for this video Sir. Please I am working with a 5s battery setup, what are the changes I will have to make for an efficient charging.
@vojta2519
@vojta2519 2 роки тому
Super video! Thanks
@edwinr4378
@edwinr4378 2 роки тому
Thankyou so much❤️❤️❤️❤️ Awesome 😘
@venom_ftw9316
@venom_ftw9316 2 місяці тому
Thank you so much for this. What about for Parallel cells?
@dharmakissoon
@dharmakissoon 2 роки тому
hey great vid mad props. can this that lead battery charger?
@Dark_Phoinix
@Dark_Phoinix Рік тому
now need one with thermo control! gj!
@josedasilva4904
@josedasilva4904 11 місяців тому
Excellent BMS explanation, congrats!. I only have NPN transistors, how will the circuit be? Thanks a lot.
@purvr4626
@purvr4626 2 роки тому
this looks interesting, can we replace the BJT with P-ch mosfet? also is the ref pin supposed to connect to negative of batt or its just a error on the diagram?
@Johnpugwash
@Johnpugwash Рік тому
ThanQ excellent explanation 👍
@inventorkr1
@inventorkr1 2 роки тому
Great video my friend👉❤️
@aymanmostafa7230
@aymanmostafa7230 8 місяців тому
Thank you. I have benefited from your explanation, but I have a question: why 4 diodes and not one?‏‪
@JeEeEs87
@JeEeEs87 2 роки тому
Best explanation
@bartholomewkottey7230
@bartholomewkottey7230 7 місяців тому
Good teacher! Please I need the full picture and diagram for two or more cells. The explanation is perfect! Thanks God bless you
@OwerChildhood
@OwerChildhood 2 роки тому
It's really good. If i want charge 5 cell. What i change in this circuit
@pdanayal
@pdanayal Рік тому
Excellent bro .what a valuable circuit. Like it .
@Mega-24
@Mega-24 2 роки тому
Hola buenas, muy buena idea y video, quisiera saber si puedo utilizar el LM336 en lugar del TL431 y que modificación tendría que hacer?Desde ya muchas gracias!
@jainsanjay470
@jainsanjay470 2 роки тому
nice presentation
@pradumanghosh2422
@pradumanghosh2422 2 роки тому
Amazing !!!!
@roniecrisestimada2717
@roniecrisestimada2717 7 місяців тому
can I use a power resistor in replacement of the diodes as the load?
@JohnDoe-xv1se
@JohnDoe-xv1se Рік тому
Really enjoyed the explanation. Thanks. Love to see a more efficient example (for minimal heat dissipation). BTW: has anyone seen a protection, balancing and charging solution for four 3.7V 500mAh LiPo batteries in "parallel" and in circuit? Protection, balancing and charging, without removing the batteries. Every battery management IC manufacturer offers 1S and multiple series solutions, in circuit and out, but I can't find one offering an "in parallel in circuit" solution. What gives?
@Rick_Sarkar767
@Rick_Sarkar767 Рік тому
You are Legend Legend 🥰🥰💝💝
@aprilsegura2597
@aprilsegura2597 2 роки тому
Thank you very much
@ramesesmoses1741
@ramesesmoses1741 2 роки тому
what can you recommend for it to work on 48 volts system 200 ah life04 battery with balancing current up to 6 amps? thanks and great video.
@user-pl5oj1hr8n
@user-pl5oj1hr8n 10 місяців тому
Very understandable. Bit what aboit parallel battery configuration?
@tejusbm7309
@tejusbm7309 Рік тому
Keep inspiring more..bro
@hishamguess5843
@hishamguess5843 Рік тому
Great video!!
@Guttfried
@Guttfried 2 роки тому
Can you also use it to charge a battery pack (5p connection)? So not each one individually but all together.
@shafeeqahamed3669
@shafeeqahamed3669 2 роки тому
Hey, is there any possibility to add a fuel gauge to the circuit , so that I can check the remaining charge in the battery ? like through a seven segment display ??
@richardandrade6079
@richardandrade6079 9 місяців тому
Un sub mas te felecito lo estaba buscando gracias Dios te bendiga
@harikamalakarreddydarapu7410
@harikamalakarreddydarapu7410 2 роки тому
awesome
@nuklengnobility
@nuklengnobility Рік тому
I love it.
@mehdikhan
@mehdikhan 2 роки тому
Nice for understanding the concept of charging but there are very low-cost chips to the same thing with much more effencency.
@akhilsubhash7644
@akhilsubhash7644 2 роки тому
right
@orwellophile
@orwellophile 11 місяців тому
But they all charge to 4.2v, which is sub-optimal for battery life. This circuit is great for battery packs you don’t use much, and would otherwise just zero out eventually
@superflystar8621
@superflystar8621 2 роки тому
Sir, we thank you very much for this beautiful and very detailed explanation. Can this board organize the balanced charging of three poles of lithium batteries of 150 amps or more? And if not, what will be the shape of the diagram that I can make with her board, please explain and help.
@shivamvaid601
@shivamvaid601 2 роки тому
It's good. Not highly efficient but works in a jiffy.
@blmb4274
@blmb4274 2 роки тому
Nice Video. So can I suggest a video that you can make. Can you make a DIY Ossliscope. Or how to measure waves at least with an Arduino. Thanks!!!!
@lexander9686
@lexander9686 2 роки тому
👍 thanks brother
@PintaoLoko
@PintaoLoko 9 місяців тому
I have a question.i have some lipo here that no matter how long they charge they never reach 4.20/4.25 volts. I was wondering how to make a circuit to show the battery is not charging properly. Maybe use some circuitry based on time lapse. Do you have a. Idea? Just one more question: how to add a temperature control based?
@adhulchandranjs339
@adhulchandranjs339 7 місяців тому
Brother , can I know where do I get that commercial BMS
@jitencaleb7075
@jitencaleb7075 7 місяців тому
Good job... But suppose I want to have the solar panel supply an the input voltage from 12 to 18v and want a 12 volts output
@clarencementor4862
@clarencementor4862 2 роки тому
Can you explain how to make the the JLBC circuit board with the template and solder paste?
@suzznshkya1098
@suzznshkya1098 2 роки тому
How did u show charging and discharging of battery from circuit diagram, using which app?
@VrumsAdventures
@VrumsAdventures 2 роки тому
I am sorry if this was mentioned before but the datasheet for LM317 has an application specifically for battery charger. You can put the current limiting resistor at the output before the voltage divider that sets the output voltage... and since the current limiter will be pretty much >2 orders of magnitude less than the resistors in the divider, it shouldn't affect the output voltage. You save 1 LM317 this way :)
@vtorsi610
@vtorsi610 2 роки тому
Great Idea ! Or use a Buck Converter with adjustable voltage and current regulation built-in
@SocialPerspective101
@SocialPerspective101 Рік тому
Can you elaborate on this?
@VrumsAdventures
@VrumsAdventures Рік тому
@@SocialPerspective101 on what? I don't think links are accepted in YT comments (unless they're made to your own video) ... but I can try if you tell me which part you want me to elaborate on.
@SocialPerspective101
@SocialPerspective101 Рік тому
@@VrumsAdventures current limiter will be > 2 orders magnitude... I did not get this part
@VrumsAdventures
@VrumsAdventures Рік тому
@@SocialPerspective101 I believe it's easier to try and link you to the application. The LM317 datasheet has at chapter 9.3.6 the battery charger application I am talking about. There's the voltage divider that sets the CV part and the series current limiting resistor (Rs) that will set the max value for the charging current to your CC desired value. The CC part will not really be CC, but the current being drawn will not drop significantly during this time (it will drop with (Vbat - 1.25)/R1 and Vbat increases as the battery is charged). The CV part will stop the battery voltage from rising above the desired (usually 4.2V) value. Rs is more than 2 orders of magnitude (or 100 times) less than R1 or R2... and as such it will not significantly decrease the desired output voltage set by the divider (R1 and R2). If it's close to R1 and R2 than you're either limiting the current a lot or wasting it through the voltage divider... or both and you're setting yourself up for a hard calculation and less than optimal result. I hope this is more clear :)
@ajayvispute5437
@ajayvispute5437 7 місяців тому
Suppose if I have connected 3 cells to get 12V and have a charging adapter of 5v. now I want them charge parallel so they could charge at all at once with the 5v adapter. is there any circuit that you can design that gives 12v output but charge cells with 5v without using multiple switches?
@startcherif
@startcherif 2 роки тому
Very nice video
@High-techstuff
@High-techstuff 2 роки тому
Hi quality video ,have an idea for a 40 v battery pack
@jaymedavis7567
@jaymedavis7567 2 роки тому
The link to the site has some capacitors in the circuit. What are those for?
@sohamgaud7120
@sohamgaud7120 2 роки тому
Hi sir very good video and explanation I understood whole video except 1 part and that is why you have connected 5 resistors of 10 ohms in series ?? [PLZ REPLAY 🙏 ]
@riccardoprivitera1984
@riccardoprivitera1984 2 роки тому
How can you put in parallel to the battery a 4.2 V voltage regulator if the transistor closes at 4.2V?
@unglaubichuberlieber8048
@unglaubichuberlieber8048 2 роки тому
thanks, one question, would this work if one mix cells with different ah ???, and please stay healthy !!! and continue with your work in lithium battery cells !!!
@ronaldleon6952
@ronaldleon6952 2 роки тому
hey mate where are the grounding connections in the schematic ?
@ricardosanchez1638
@ricardosanchez1638 Рік тому
How would you design a 144V battery BMS. Not sure you can simply add more batteries and listed components? Some of the components would require different component types to be able to work with potentially 185Vdc in a 120Vac standard system. Thanx again for your presentation. Learned lots from it.
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech 2 роки тому
I know that keysight dmm is over a decade old but it's timeless. I love it. It must be 4.5 digit is it?
@keeptrying7640
@keeptrying7640 2 роки тому
I bought a Daly BMS a long time ago and I can't say I'm happy with it cause it makes one battery go over voltage I got lifepo4 will your BMS work for me . I'm using the batteries for a solar system on my house
@nomanhossain1838
@nomanhossain1838 2 роки тому
Really nice 🥰 ❤️❤️❤️
@shinobufookoobu4260
@shinobufookoobu4260 9 місяців тому
Wow thanks.
@laszlowinkler2595
@laszlowinkler2595 Рік тому
Just a question : does it possible to leav this circuit on the cells - I would like to install into an RC transmitter and can not remove it when the charging process finished ?
@MR-fx5td
@MR-fx5td 8 місяців тому
Could you make a second video with a design that improve yield and energy consumption ?
@mitza22
@mitza22 2 роки тому
Hi man do you think you can make a MPPT SOLAR CHARGER from a step down converter and a pwm solar regulator ? with a relay voltage protection you think you can do it ? so when is fully charged to stop conection from solar panel to stepdown module ? thank you i hope i hear from you. nice videos i watch them with pleasure.
@thalavalikaran262
@thalavalikaran262 Місяць тому
May I know how can we replace the loads from the diode to the motor in this circuit, can just replace all diodes with single 12V motor for 3s bms?
@user-kf7yc2fo2k
@user-kf7yc2fo2k 7 днів тому
Good Day is there any problem with the circuit? Can i ask since we are having trouble adjusting the potentiometer. Is there any corrected schematic and instruction on how to adjust the potentiomer? Do i need to adjust the potmeter without connecting the lm317?
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