There's a better chance of Max losing his seat than of Stroll losing his 😂

The worse stroll does, the better. (Less constructor's points for AM=More wind tunnel time)

As long as his father owns the team, he won't be going anytime soon. It’s not suprising that a father would do anything for their son

Ironically, what we're witnessing is Lawrence Stroll's money start to work to Lance's disadvantage. It's one thing when dad is funding your racing career (and I don't fault Lance or anyone for doing that, I would do the same if I had the opportunity), it's another thing entirely when dad buys the whole team and decides that he wants to turn it into a top-tier team. We're now at the point where Lawrence is clearly invested for a lot more than just Lance's racing career, and the team is already suffering by not having a better driver in his seat. Lawrence is a shrewd businessman, and given how much he wants to win, I doubt he'll hesitate too long before replacing Lance. Maybe it won't be next year, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if does happen.

If not by team orders, he was twice beaten by Hulkenberg in 2020 and 2022

The major problem with him is consistency. Every now and then he has a good race but they are few and far between. I think he should have done an extra year or two in the developmental formulae to get him in the zone. I don't think he'd be a world beater unlike what Alonso says (who usually says that as a form of mind-games) but it would've helped reign it in a little more and be better consistently than he currently is.

i always wonder what would’ve happened if stroll had actually done f2 and have those extra years of experience. its so clear he entered the sport way too early

the way McLaren have stepped up (and they are known to maintain their position after upgrades), AMR might even finish P5 in the constructor's.. If Lawrence is really ambitious for his team to succeed.. there is a massive opportunity to bring Leclerc or Sainz into the team since it looks like Kimi Raikonnen will remain Ferrari's last world champion for the next 50 years..

Daddy Stroll has said he wants to be fighting for world championships within a few years, he even convinced Honda to come back so unless a miracle happens I can't see Stroll staying, I have a feeling Honda would want a Japanese driver to represent them in 2026 with Yuki looking better and Iwasa in F2 it seems like it's a matter of when

I’ve always wondered ever since Alonso signed for Aston if one of the clauses in his contract stated he would have a type of mentor role to Lance because he’s been very generous and supportive to Stroll Jr this season.

Issue with Stroll is that 1. I see basically every driver on the grid and some off it doing better given the amount of time and the cars Stroll has had 2. You can’t reasonably argue that Stroll would’ve stayed in F1 this long on merit. Better drivers have had to sit out because of him and he’s managed to hold on to his seat ahead of teammates who comprehensively outperformed him. That’s not even mentioning some of the absolutely boneheaded incidents that he’s been responsible for and all his podiums (Baku where Massa was ahead and had a suspension failure, Monza where he should’ve won had he not gone off, and Sakhir where he should’ve won even getting passed by Checo who did win after being last going into lap 2) either having significant asterisks or still somehow being lackluster results

Hats off! I'm not brave enough to board a Ryanair plane 😆

What mainly annoys me about the situation is his dads quote after Spain “I think he demonstrated in Barcelona he’s now starting [to feel better]. It took six or seven races to feel better [from his injury]… I believe they [Stroll and Alonso] will be equal by the end of the season.” This is either delusional, stupid or agenda based. It was clear in Spain Alonso had a difficult race and it’s put a lot of pressure on Lance and IMO is an impossible task for him

The weird thing about Stroll is that he does have World Champion potential, just not in F1. I could easily see him being an amazing driver in WEC

I think Stroll is a decent driver, he's certainly not the worst driver to pay his way into an F1 seat, and as a person, he does seem to apply himself with the same level of dedication and commitment as any other driver and he doesn't really rock the F1 paddock boat, again, unlike some drivers I can think of. I think he's an decent midfield driver. I think the problem is Daddy Stroll. The only time Lance ever seems to get 'fighty' in the paddock is when the suggestions he's only here because of his dad's money comes up, I get the impression he wants to be racing on merit, and so suggestions that it's all because of his dad's money really annoys him, which I can understand. As a racing driver, his biggest problem is he can be really inconsistent; one race he'll be pushing the top points positions, the next he's way off the points with no pace. I think if he could find a consistent points-paying consistency, the questions would go away, or at least go quiet.

I think he's good enough to be in F1, but not good enough for the AM team he's on. AM is in the top half of teams, I think stroll is a back marker driver.

He can't be all that bad sitting 10th place overall in the standings.

'Sid from Ice Age' 🤣🤣🤣 proper Max fan but these Ice Age jokes are killing me! 😂😂

He’s been in the sport 7 YEARS and nearly has 150 race starts. How people can make excuses for him truly baffles me. They talk about him improving and that as if he’s a rookie - not someone with more starts than Leclerc, Lando, and Russell. Because he has no risk of losing his seat due to performance, he drives as if he has nothing to lose. Which when you’re Lance Stroll, is not a good thing 😂.

If Daddy Stroll wanted to do anything to promote Canadians in motor racing, he would have to invest in Canadian go-carting... which I don't even know is a thing.

Well mate you've got your answer 😙

i just realized stroll teammates were all very good and legendary drivers. first he got valtteri bottas, arguably one of the best second driver who helped lewis win his 6 titles. then he got perez whose defense is one of the best if not the best. then vettel who is a 4 time world champion and now alonso, 2 time world champion and almost a champion in a 3rd fastest car in 2012. stroll is really fighting hard in f1 despite having daddy's money to back him up.

I’m not even going to be surprised if AM drops down the constructors’ championship and blames and fire Fernando and keep Stroll 😂

I feel like Lance could have been a great driver. But his dad wanted a Max Verstappen when clearly, Stroll needed time to develop his skills. Part of me feels like Lawrence should have waited for Lance to develop in F2 before he was shipped off to F1.

What a great, measured analysis, Will. Stroll has been just good enough to not get fired, and I personally don’t see daddy firing him. It will be awkward if Aston Martin get back to it and maybe Alonso gets a win while Stroll keeps finishing at the edge of the points, or just out of them. Bottom line: if Lance is gone, Lawrence and his money are gone too.

It's life. Lance Stroll is one of a relatively small number of people who can drive an F1 car with a reasonable level of success. I wish him well. If he was my son I would be proud of him, and as his father, and a very rich man, I would be enjoying every minute of that adventure with my son, however it worked out and I wouldn't really be bothered what some people said. Lance is up against the best drivers in the world and he's doing OK. And you?

Answer: Very Very Bad.

i honestly believe that aston martin (daddy stroll) purposely slowed down Alonso a little bit, so Stroll doesnt look as bad as he really is. as you said, lower constructors points mean more windtunnel time.

So shocked by his own performance jump, he fell off his bike 🙃🤣🤣🤣

He's not bad at all, just a bit inconsistent, but most of his struggles come in qualifying. In the races he's always been good, and don't forget who his last two team mates have been.

Josh Revell is not going to be happy about the 5 second Mahaveer slander.... Lovely video bud! Safe travels back from the race :)

There are lots of Lance Stroll apologists. However if you look through his F1 career there isn't a season where he has earned a seat on pure merit. Drivers like Massa, Ocon and Perez have been let go ahead of him.

Everything you said was spot-on correct. The only thing is...Lawrence Stroll is living his own F1 dream vicariously through Lance and without Lance, there's no reason for him to continue owning a Formula 1 team or keep spreading all that Tommy Hilfiger money around to people like Lewis Hamilton to sweeten things with Mercedes for his engine contract. No Lance, No Larry I'm afraid. Stroll's a clothing magnate like Luciano Benetton not someone with a racing past, aside from being a wealthy spectator with a paddock pass.

But 9 months later (currently on Apr-24)… the Δ over Alonso is trailing at its hightest levels ever!

"sid from ice age" that's an incredible sledge, well played

Honestly think he has potential, remember he had 2 broken wrists start of the season, you can’t heal properly while driving a F1 car man.

I would say Stroll is in exactly the position that I would expect him to be in. Easily being beaten by one of the all time greats, but still picking up a few points along the way. So, not as good as Gasly or Ocon, but on a similar level to Zhou or Magnussen but a bit better than Sergeant. Not the worse on the grid, but in the bottom six or seven. Money talks in the sport and always has done so.

His issue is consistency. Make no mistake, he does have talent and, on a given day, can be very quick. Unfortunately, that's not enough. You need to maintain a basic level at every race and maximise what you have. If he has the ability to fix that, he absolutely deserves to be on the grid.

His role is to make retiring old drivers look still valid.

He needed more time in the junior categories. He’s no world champion, but at times he shows a Lance that’s a solid midfield or possibly a front runners second driver level of performance, but he isn’t consistent enough for those roles.

stroll at williams: went from f3 to f1 so understandably very wobbly but in all honesty, did good enough, at RP, showed promise and definitely deserved to be in F1 in my opinion. at aston martin, vs Vettel, sure enough hes there, vs Alonso, doesnt deserve his seat

How bad is Lance Stroll? Very. Very very bad.

he isnt that bad actually. everybody judges him because of hes dad, but i really mean that he deserves a seat in f1. also a driver that create some action

The most outrageous thing is that he lied about the skying accident and blamed on cycling Lawrence stroll still scamming the Jews

I think Stroll surely deserved a chance in F1 and I think he deserves a place in F1, but not in a top team. I think he is good enough for the midfield. I would prefer him compared to Magnussen, Tsunoda and Sargeant.

Stroll is definitely good enough for F1. I think a lot of the sourness comes from better drivers being stuck at worse teams. Albon comes to mind. But there are certainly worse drivers in F1

I rank him higher than most people, since I ignore who he is and rank him on performance alone. He's not a bad driver, he's not a dangerous reckless driver like others, he plays the game well without complaining being second fiddle to Alonso in his daddy's team, so I think he's a cool chap and good driver, better than at least half the field.

The 2015 crash at Monza wasn't the only incident Stroll got himself embroiled in. At Spa, he threw a really ill-advised defensive move going into Les Combes, took himself, teammate Felix Rosenqvist and Mikkel Jensen (now a Peugeot factory driver) out of the race and earned himself a ban from the third race the following day. Also, that same year, he also took the Toyota Racing Series title in New Zealand (competition there included Callum Ilott, Sergio Sette Camara, Artem Markelov, Arjun Maini, Charlie Eastwood, Ferdinand Habsburg, Sam MacLeod, Alfonso Celis Jr, Santino Ferrucci and Nikita Mazepin).

His dad owns the team so no one can force him out

here after he rear-ended Danny Ric in China

I love how this is on my recommended after the Chinese GP, Keep up the good work!

Im possibly giving a huge benefit of the doubt to Lance here - but I cant help wonder if Lance and Latifi are having similar ideas. Look at Laurence Stroll - he is a gigantic business magnate, and he clearly knows a thing or two about business. Lance doesnt, but he does know racing. So he's not set the racing world on fire - but he has been around others who have. Vettel, Alonso etc. Aston's revolving door of drivers has been nothing more than the equivalent of the military giving grunts shiny tech - its all R&D. They hire Lance and tell him to drive however he wants - which mostly sees him push himself beyond his capabilities - bringing the points down. That means more tunnel time, more of that sweet, sweet R&D time. And then who sends reliable data back? Well, one of them other WDC title holders they keep hiring. They'll do this til Alonso retires too - they essentially give the pros a golden handshake to retire on and in return they give them hoardes of raw data. Lance will step down once that Aston starts getting real quick - and potentially competitive. At which point he's a former driver, with business experience with his dad as his 2nd in command, access to heaps of raw testing data, tested by championship winning drivers. They've already poached a bunch of engineers from some good teams and now there's a 200mill factory where they can test all this #StrollsNewRole thank you for coming to my stoned TEDTalk.

In FP and Qualifying, Stroll keeps being mentioned for impeding, lacks situational awareness, and creates a hazard where there's no reason for it. During races Stroll has had a number of incidents that damaged close competitors or knocked them out of the race entirely, while giving wide berth in the same spots on the track to front runners. In other words, he's a little shit behind the wheel.

This age like fine wine

Stroll is ok, probably better than your average F3 and F2 drivers Was dominant in Formula 3 and completely outclassed George Russell that year in an identical car, despite being a year younger than George.

As long as his father is at the helm he won't ever lose his seat. Nepotism to the highest degree !!

Wow, that was a very reasonable and relatable essay. Stroll seemed decent for most part when paired with Seb. But whenever the car came alive and was actually able to get a decent result, or even a podium, it was Seb who seemed like another person, and showed Lance Stroll why he's the fourtime Worldchampion, and he was not. Lance was able to qualify Seb here and there, but not when it mattered, and overall lost both duels, especially 2022 quite clear. Especially in the second half of 22, when Vettel wanted to end on a high, was on average 0,350-400 seconds faster in Qualifying, in the race it was over a second, I have no data here, but just rewatch the races, you'll see. Do the gaps sound familiar? Introduce Fernando Alonso, who pulls these gaps every race on Lance, and the car was alive every race, when you compare it to last year. Which proves my point. Stroll doesn't stand a chance against Fernando, he had none against an ignited Seb, and he will never be a threat to Fernando in this form. I don't see Lance improving, he wasn't delivering, and it is time for another one. Try Drugovich, I wouldn't be surprised when he comes closer to Fernando in his first race than Stroll ever could.

I saw someone at hungary that had a sign for him. It was clever "lets rock and stroll!" But like. How does this guy have fans outside of his mom and sister? Can you imagine spending a few hundred, if not a few thousand, to cheer for Lance Stroll?! You can pick. You can literally choose what driver you like. And there are people that settle on stroll lmao. I can only imagine its other nepo babies. Theyre like "see? People like us can be handed everything we want! If we work as little as Lance, we too can be what we want purely through our family name."

As long as Lance races for AM. They'd need a car that makes the RB19 look like an artefact before time, if they want to win a constructors championship or have Lance win anything at all. If they were truly behind their own goal of gunning for championships you can't lambast around with a driver that RB would've dropped mid-season like with Nyck. All the teams know this, and thus AM will never be a true challenger to anything other than a drivers championship, which Lance will never compete in.

The strange thing about Lance is that sometimes he's showing signs of being a great driver, doing some risky and creative passes, while at other times he's showing how useless he is by doing some of the most idiotic things imagineable on track.

Like the saying goes there have always been pay drivers and if you rank stroll with them he is amazing. I don't think he is world championship good but I do think he deserves to be on the grid. Over all he isn't going to be make the very best guys sweat about their championships but he isn't bad and i expect he'll take a couple more podiums in his career. I don't think he is going anywhere.

Honestly Strolls pace ceiling is really high. He is just SO inconsistent that its horrible, sometimes he just has 0 awareness or just super slow. Although he has the pace to be high up sometimes, he doesnt deserve an F1 seat imo when he is so inconsistent and just flat out braindead sometimes

I don’t think stroll is a bad driver I just think he became complacent like he knows as long as his dad owns the team he won’t ever lose his seat it’s like he has no drive no motivation at all he just shows up to the race gets whatever result and then just leave there’s potentially there like turkey 2020 Baku 2017 for example there is some talent there but it’s like something is missing he’s not making that step forward at all he’s too comfortable in the position he is in.

I remember when he crashed in to Vettel on the cool down lap after the race. Can't remember which track though, Shanghai maybe?

Lance is so frustrating because you know he has these moments where he’s like really good, but they just come once in a blue moon. And you know if he was in any other top team he’d be out the door about 5 times now.

For Fernando every tactic works to destroy a teammate. The man is a master at mental games 😂

Thanks as always for your great content. Specifically though how you put it together. It’s so so refreshing to hear someone with a great tone of phrase and who says the things that 99% of F1 reporters don’t say. Please keep going! Any news about Stroll changing category? Or is that just fake news? Despite Daddy Strolls previous business success, F1 is a very different animal and perhaps it’s beyond even his “business acumen” to work out how to succeed with it. Time to bail out??

0:15 Waitaminute!! This event was 100% Vettel's fault, the race had ended, and LS was on his slow lap after the flag, but SV came from behind much faster and cut across him, crashing on the Williams. That was the "unhinged" period from Vettel' low point in his carrer, when he bumped against Hamilton in Baku, and crashed inexplicably in Germany after leading the race. Anyhow, it is unfair to place this clip and blame Stoll for the accident.

I’m here after the Saudi Arabia GP crash lmao

lol this video came up on my feed after the 2024 chinese gp

The Content Cop audio reference is on point.

Will your youtube channel has saved my life😭

Lance absolutely deserves a seat, and is a good driver. His pitfalls come from lack of experience, and with each year he gets a little better. In a young sport, people seem to forget 24 is still young, and he will continue to improve each year as he has done the past few years.

"How bad is Lance Stroll?" Me: "yes"

Ive always seen it as while yes he entered the sport as a Paid driver and yes he had that good race at Baku in 2017(?) i think it was (the podium in the williams) hes a definite improvment to the other Paid drivers that's entered F1 in recent years (latifi, mazispin) and over the last like 2-3 years hes improved his mannerisms and racecraft

Man you really have it out for Mahaveer 🤣 This is JUST MY OWN OPINION and FEELING: At the end of the day Lawrence Stroll is a businessman. So while his son definitely enjoys the benefit of being his son, I am absolutely certain there are limits. During his time at Racing Point he was mostly outscored by PER but he did manage to beat his teammate (PER or reserve driver HUL) on several occasions (2019 in AUS, CAN, GER, in 2020 in HUN, GBR and 70A, ESP, BEL, ITA and ABU - not too shabby!) [src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Point_F1_Team#Complete_Formula_One_results] While at AMR he has had two multiple WDC champions as his teammtes (VET and ALO), so obviously any direct comparisons between him and them are somewhat unfair. Nevertheless he won races against VET: 2021 - BHR, EMI, ESP, STY, AUT, GBR, NED, ITA, RUS, TUR, QAT, SAU and 2022: BHR, POR, MON, AUT, HUN, BEL, RUS, USA, SAU, ABU). [src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_in_Formula_One#2021%E2%80%93present] I still think VET is the better overall driver but it shows that Lance definitely isn't a bad driver. And even this year he wasn't that bad. In most races he wasn't THAT far from ALO, most of the time staying within 5 places of ALO - even beating ALO in ESP. Is he a future WDC? No, I don't think so. Is he a bad driver? Absolutely not. Is he a solid midfield driver? Absolutely, with occasional flashes to very good. Is he a regular podium contender? No, he is missing consistency, and quite a lot of it. However, I think he's talented enough to have earned his seat on merit so far.

Every other week we have videos saying he’s either terrible or super underrated-he’s just mid, he seems like a nice guy and I personally do root for him in F1 but I think he’d be better off in WEC

Lance Stroll is actually proving to be a decent driver...

No matter how well Lance does assuming he never reaches the top tier of drivers , the question will always be could he have achieved his position based on merit. He’s like the affirmative action f1 driver

You summed it up pretty well. Thank you.

I still laugh thinking about that time when RyanAir roasted Lance Stroll in a tweet about 'buying a preferred seat'...no lead up, just pure out-of-the-blue savage

Sir Lancelot may deserve to be an F1 driver, but it will always be as a back marker. Sure he is good in the rain, however that appears to be all he has in his toolbox.

Aston Martin need a sports car program. The Lance could be 'promoted' to head up the sports car team, leaving a potential seat for someone better. Lance can possibly win a world championship in sportscars, eh, Alonso?

I really want lance to success. He always been disrespected since his f1 debut. Yet, he have legitimate pedigree behind that. Winning gp2 and his wet race performamce, i guess he win or atleast podium in that race. I really hope he can comeback to his best version again.

If you ever drove in Toronto or Montreal you would have absolutely 0 expectations of Stroll or Latifi. Surprisingly, they still managed to dissapoint.

Stroll is 15 behind Norris. Norris is like 70 behind Alonso....

Lawrence is a smart man. I guarantee he has given his son and ultimatum from the time he took over the team. Granted this goal set would be much more lenient having his father at the helm but I know there is still goals to be met or he will be replaced.

It is now embarrassing for AM .. he almost looks unsafe.

Lance is proof that even a legally blind person can drive for an F1 team as long as your dad owns the team.

These days I'd put Ocon and Stroll on about the same level. I never really understood what people saw in him beyond "wow he didn't come from money." His attitude towards teammates stinks. I hate to say it, but at least Stroll TRIES to be clean. Ocon will sacrifice track position with other cars just to be in front of his teammate, screwing over his entire team in the process.

stroll is basically not crash-prone latifi

He's an underrated driver and calling him a (rich) daddy's boy is unfair, ungracious and says more about your lack of class than his skill.

Lawrence would never drop Lance and nor should he. He’s the major shareholder and in charge of the team. End of the day the goal is to develop the best car. With the best car Lance will win races and who knows may even win a championship. It’s a tough ask for them to get there though. They’re obviously targeting the Honda era a few years away yet.

Fernando himself, has said that Lance has the skill necessary to become WDC. That's enough for me; as I still believe that Fernando is the best driver in F1, even though Max is riding high at the moment. Put Fernando and Max in the best cars, and you have terrific racing. To compare Lance to Fernando, is simply unfair.

Out of 7 seasons he has only beaten his teammate once, Sirotkin, another paid driver. He is literally the reason that AMR is losing 2nd place in WCC. What is more infuriating is that despite his daddy protecting his seat, there are far more drivers who deserve it.

Last 2 races I think Lance has edged Alonso in overall performance. Nando's T1 in Vegas was very amateur. Great podium in Brazil, but man that mistake in T1.

Lance Stroll has been 7 years in formula one without dealing with the pressure of losing his seat. He had the best scenario ever to develop and grow in formula one. Still, he's an average driver for F1 standards. I don't think he will stay after 2025, Honda wants a Japanese driver for the 2026 seat and beyond, and the sponsors are probably unhappy with Lance Jr. He had enough fun already, it's time to go.

You also have 2 INDYCAR races as well one yesterday and one today in a few hours from now

Lawrence is close with the Hugo Boss people who are looking to sponsor the former Minardi team. There might be a seat opening up at Aston. Hülkenback?

No struggle, no fight, the rich boys will never be on top of anything. It takes sth. they will never want to experience and they lack the passion. For them its just another activity for others its their lifes work. As long as some people can make money off of it, it will continue.