How CSGO Pros Played 10 Years Ago Is Shocking

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TheWarOwl

TheWarOwl

11 місяців тому

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I compared the first ever CS:GO Major tournament to the last ever CS:GO Major tournament and was shocked by how differently the best players in the world played 10 years ago compared to today! The first Match is the Ninjas in Pyjamas vs Fnatic from the Grand Final of Dreamhack Winter 2013, and the modern match is Heroic versus GamerLegion from Blast TV Paris 2023.

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@DantalionVR
@DantalionVR 11 місяців тому
10 years of CSGO and he still has no clothes on, what a legend
@adictedseon8913
@adictedseon8913 11 місяців тому
bro does he say he has no closer or cloths on i am kinda confused
@Ash-bx6kq
@Ash-bx6kq 11 місяців тому
​@@adictedseon8913yeah, he says it every video! How have you not heard it yet?
@adictedseon8913
@adictedseon8913 11 місяців тому
@@Ash-bx6kq I always thought he said that he has no closer... meaning he is the best
@Ash-bx6kq
@Ash-bx6kq 11 місяців тому
@@adictedseon8913 nah it's he has no clothes on, I'm sure someone can back me up on this
@beckhydda
@beckhydda 11 місяців тому
@@adictedseon8913 I thought it was I have no closer as in I have no outro
@sulphurous2656
@sulphurous2656 11 місяців тому
2013-2014/15 was my favorite era for CS:GO tournaments. It felt like the wild west out there.
@sdHansy
@sdHansy 11 місяців тому
2014-2016 was definetely amazing. Though the two finals with navi and faze last year, is probably two of the the best matches I have ever seen. Shortly followed by navi vs lg(?) 2016 Overpass ( the one with all the new boosts)
@qu1253
@qu1253 11 місяців тому
I sincerely regret not getting into CS:GO when it was exploding in popularity back in 2015. If I tried to start now, I'd be so far behind the rest of the player base that I'd basically have to treat the game like a full time job just to catch up.
@ClarksonNo1
@ClarksonNo1 11 місяців тому
@@qu1253 Thats uh, not how it works.
@spowbits3696
@spowbits3696 11 місяців тому
@@qu1253 no there are many new people playing
@Remu-
@Remu- 11 місяців тому
@@qu1253 I have friends who've played CS for 10 years and are still pretty bad at the game and hardly understand the fundamentals because they just play mindlessly. It'll go a long way if you just put in some time to learn the basic fundamentals and you'll be fragging in no time. It's a fun game and new players will come along when CS2 launches. It's never too late.
@sulphurous2656
@sulphurous2656 11 місяців тому
I wonder what would happen if they did a sort of "throwback" tournament where they put pro players on a 2013 or 2014 build of the game on these same old maps but with all of their modern experience and knowledge at their disposal. How would it play out?
@joure.v
@joure.v 11 місяців тому
THAT should have been the show match for the last Major...
@XanderNiles
@XanderNiles 11 місяців тому
That's something that is definitely worth watching.
@DamonHunter13
@DamonHunter13 11 місяців тому
There would definitely be some pros that remember a lot of the cheeky pixel peaks, boosts and such - it would be a blast
@Lythforce2
@Lythforce2 11 місяців тому
Its been done with 1.6 vs CSGO. Search NiP vs NiP.
@kupoback
@kupoback 11 місяців тому
I really like how much the meta has shifted over the years, and how quickly the community has come together to learn some new line-up, or find something that is broken. Even after almost 11 years, the game still doesn't feel stale to me. Between the main competitive scene and then factor in the Community scene, I'm hoping that CS2 will keep this going, as the franchise has for years.
@ElTalkette
@ElTalkette 11 місяців тому
Tiraste toda la posta amigo
@hoonterofhoonters6588
@hoonterofhoonters6588 11 місяців тому
The CS meta shifts without any updates. All it takes is for someone to experiment and try something new. Remember when the UMP 45 almost as good as an M4 at half the price for several years and the pros didn't notice? Remember when the SG 553 was worth the price difference to the AK for several years and the pros didn't notice? In a few months we'll see a zeus meta for all we know.
@KryzysX
@KryzysX 11 місяців тому
Boi how u getting that badge 💀 I can't afford 6 bucks
@nikk351
@nikk351 11 місяців тому
I really dont like how the meta shifted from guns being powerful to being a nerd with a lot of util knowledge became good because the guns and gameplay became worse and worse
@PelleFixar
@PelleFixar 11 місяців тому
@@nikk351 For me it's the other way around. I appreciate it more if there is more to the pro game than just aiming. We all know these pros aim well. I want to see all the map knowledge that the pros have acquired after probably spending hours in practice to find the niche nade lineups and new boosts that haven't been seen before. To raise the chance of them winning an eco or clutch a round by just having a couple smokes and playing it right. It forces the players to get a better game sense which will lead to more outplays and counter-outplays.
@MrWwechampion333
@MrWwechampion333 11 місяців тому
it’s crazy because at the time some of the stuff they did made sense. like the standard nade setup one nade, two flash, and one smoke. the retakes, the buys, everything takes me back
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 11 місяців тому
There's nothing crazy about that.
@MrWwechampion333
@MrWwechampion333 10 місяців тому
@@tappajaav seeing how a game and meta progresses especially over a 10 years span is crazy. if you were around back then you would know
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 10 місяців тому
@@MrWwechampion333 I've played CSGO since 2014, does that not count...? There's still nothing crazy about the different standard buys people did back then.
@MrWwechampion333
@MrWwechampion333 10 місяців тому
@@tappajaav ??? dude it’s about how much a game could change in that time, did you not even watch the video? even war owl talks about how nobody bought molly’s back then?
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 10 місяців тому
@@MrWwechampion333 Yea, I did watch it. To me there's nothing CRAZY about it. It's reasonable that the behaviour of any games' playerbase changes and evolves over time.
@Stoneher
@Stoneher 11 місяців тому
the flusha line about picking his mouse up was so funny
@dramm33
@dramm33 11 місяців тому
I laughed out loud
@MrBond3606
@MrBond3606 9 місяців тому
Yeah, if you pick up your mouse a lot, it looks like you lock on to people through walls, but you really don't. It just looks that way. I'd forgotten all about that...era
@lufetm
@lufetm 11 місяців тому
Just like in football, where Pele dribbled past 5 defenders and scored every single game... We dont see that in modern football, it evolved a lot and tactics, teamplay and strats play much bigger role than simple scoring
@KeksimusMaximus
@KeksimusMaximus 11 місяців тому
Yeah, PEDs too. Sports today only evolve when PEDs do. Human performance stopped improving in the last century.
@arislanbekkosnazarov9644
@arislanbekkosnazarov9644 11 місяців тому
Yeah, good analogy. Makes it even more impressive looking at Ronaldo and Messi, and s1mple and ZyW0o
@tpeterson9140
@tpeterson9140 11 місяців тому
its what happens when sports/games evolve, the skill floor gets higher so if you take a break and come back you will notice that even at the lowest lvl the peple have become better
@n9ne
@n9ne 9 місяців тому
or maybe players are more scared than ever to make crazy plays.
@gambino883
@gambino883 7 місяців тому
​@@n9neespecially this. What I see now of pussy plays and amount of save rounds is insane. They treat smokes like a solid wall. I still play the game like 20 years ago. I don't change and I'm still catching people off guard trying to line up a smoke while I just rush them. They all think because of 2mins roundtime everyone takes 2 mins roundtime.
@Mr_Onion_Youtube
@Mr_Onion_Youtube 11 місяців тому
Damn, the game really did change a lot during these 10 years
@kapoink835
@kapoink835 11 місяців тому
This was an absolute treat to watch. The ending really tied it all together. I thoroughly enjoyed the positive "here's to 10 more years"- vibe. You sometimes forget how just a couple years ago everyone was saying Counter-strike dead game. I myself actually believed the series would have a fate similar to tf2 where it's just left to dust in a corner. It feels so good to actually have confidence in the game's future. I hope someday my kids will also be playing a version of Counter-Strike and hopefully, watching Warowl. Thank you for the years of videos.
@animal1439
@animal1439 11 місяців тому
There's literally generations of counterstrike players, that's just insane to think about
@Okieant
@Okieant 11 місяців тому
This game will never die. I've been a part of it for 20 yrs. If it was going to die, it would have died in around 2010 when the scene was dying out. And then CSGO came.
@hansmor8
@hansmor8 11 місяців тому
Maybe your kids will get to experience the long awaited warowl closer
@cooldud7071
@cooldud7071 11 місяців тому
I wish this piece of shit game would have been lost to obscurity unlike the more fun and skill-based TF2.
@HDScorpio
@HDScorpio 11 місяців тому
I dont think Counter-Strike will ever die, people are still out there playing 1.6 even now.
@MrPyroguy108
@MrPyroguy108 11 місяців тому
That first A-take had me glued to the screen throughout the whole sponsor spot like subway surfer on a shorts feed 🤣🤣
@MrDestructoVid
@MrDestructoVid 11 місяців тому
Yea that sponsor read cut out the best clip he showed.
@0Blueaura
@0Blueaura 11 місяців тому
Reimu
@Tiraskaar
@Tiraskaar 11 місяців тому
Astralis is single handedly responsible for the great switch of the play style. Between the playstyle of 1st and the last major, its Astralis in the middle with an era so game defining, they literally changed the way how the game can be played.
@s0meRand0m129
@s0meRand0m129 11 місяців тому
they literally changed the way to play the game with their nades meta
@logan62097
@logan62097 11 місяців тому
I don't think so, you can watch tournaments from 2014-2016 and utility usage was higher every year. CSGO in 2013 was in its infancy, players didn't use molotovs because they sucked up until that point and people are stubborn by nature, but over time they were utilized far more often. In fact Pronax (The IGL in this game for Fnatic) was part of that revolution. It was always trending upwards, Astralis was ahead of the curve for sure, but let's not pretend like they're the sole reason it ended up this way; it was always going to. The evolution was required because more and more incredible talent was coming into the scene, it was the only way to narrow the gap between mechanically gifted players and high IQ players.
@s0meRand0m129
@s0meRand0m129 11 місяців тому
@@logan62097 yes grandpa but did you see the part where we talked about how Astralis changed the way how the game can be played?
@NinjapowerMS
@NinjapowerMS 7 місяців тому
​@@logan62097Like how scope rifles was actually broken but it lasted so long because are too stubborn to switch from AKs lol.
@vintagejock3951
@vintagejock3951 11 місяців тому
Feels like an eternity waiting for a WarOwl video
@TheWarOwl
@TheWarOwl 11 місяців тому
sorry, going through some stuff, I have something big to do this weekend, and then I'm back to regular vid production.
@sam_lax
@sam_lax 11 місяців тому
@@TheWarOwl Always a pleasure, regular or not ❤
@Shofman
@Shofman 11 місяців тому
@@TheWarOwl Fair play man, take your time
@CraftingStudios1337
@CraftingStudios1337 11 місяців тому
@@TheWarOwl all the love to you brother, everything you make is a gem, glad you're putting yourself first
@vintagejock3951
@vintagejock3951 11 місяців тому
@@TheWarOwl np always love watching you. Can't wait for your next video. I hope you get through any difficulties without any suffering.
@cyphersam9436
@cyphersam9436 11 місяців тому
I remember doing this sort of thing on myself for fun before and it's pretty good for seeing your personal and team improvement. I compared my winning match in the TF2 Newbie Cup Tournament to the very first scrimmage match I played and the differences were immense. It felt like I could spot a mistake I or any other player made for every few seconds that passed. We started off as the team that was losing most of their matches to the team that had to go against higher divisions because we were winning too often, since we were the only team that was dedicated enough to practice every single day before the tournament. So if you ever have second thoughts about your improvement try reviewing old matches, it can help your confidence.
@lxdixd
@lxdixd 11 місяців тому
every time we do demo reviews i can feel myself getting better lol i can pinpoint exactly what u mean
@retardno002
@retardno002 11 місяців тому
The OGs were playing 1.6 with updated graphics, now we're playing actual CS GO, and I bet if you looked at a game from 8 or even 9 years ago you'd see more similarity to the way the game is played today. It took me a few months to switch from the 1.6 play style, I doubt it took them longer.
@christiansmemefactory1513
@christiansmemefactory1513 11 місяців тому
Not the french teams tho lol
@Sasujerk
@Sasujerk 11 місяців тому
maybe next year: katowice 2014 vs copehangen 2024
@junilog
@junilog 11 місяців тому
@@christiansmemefactory1513 yeah most of them are Source players and they were usually better at movement because of the familiarity. But 1.6 players were still the top dogs as the best players tend to stay on 1.6 and jump straight to CSGO. Source players were relatively new to the scene.
@peterlustig7936
@peterlustig7936 11 місяців тому
I had the same experience when I didn't see any majors for two years. It was between 2018 and 2020 and playstyles have changed significantly. much more professional (lineups), serious and reserved was played. Its interesting to see that such a "simple" game has that much potential to improve.
@frank34443
@frank34443 11 місяців тому
That was a throwback! I used to spend my off-days watching pro CSGO between my own ESEA/Competitive matches... Good times. It's interesting to see how change happens so slowly in CS. Molotovs were there, but they were new, so everyone just defaulted to that old school CS playstyle, before the new utility gradually became a part of the meta. But man, 10,000 hours, WarOwl? That's impressive.
@samvanoutrive5954
@samvanoutrive5954 11 місяців тому
This is such a good video! Amazing to see how it all evolved. Keep it up, WarOwl!
@MiniWhiteDragon
@MiniWhiteDragon 11 місяців тому
I love this comparison. I've been playing since 2016 and seeing how different the game was brought back so many fond memories of when I was a noob. Can't wait for CS2!
@r4nzig
@r4nzig 11 місяців тому
aren't you still, though?
@guillermo8843
@guillermo8843 11 місяців тому
Very interesting to see how the game has evolved over the years. It happens in every sport, but in CS, it's even more noticeable because this game is relatively young. For that reason, we can see significant changes in strategies and in the way of playing in general in just a few years
@stretch668
@stretch668 11 місяців тому
MORE MORE MORE!!!! id love if you brought back matchmaking academy and pro reviews when cs2 releases warowl. you are a massive reason that players are so good now, keep it up
@Isaacfess
@Isaacfess 11 місяців тому
"Fight for Banana control" Is something you'd only hear in CSGO said in a serious manner.
@andreidmny
@andreidmny 11 місяців тому
I have been here since the beta and while I always knew the game kept evolving, seeing this large contrast is surprising. It almost looks and plays like a sequel to the original that released back then. Valve deserves credit for not only supporting the game by doing the bare minimum, but incrementally improving it to the point it becomes a different game, while retaining the core that we all know and love.
@oscarogilvie1048
@oscarogilvie1048 11 місяців тому
literaly. the frog in boiling water effect of having played the past 6 years and comparing now till then is crazy. but at no point did an update come out and i thought "its like a different game now" and yet comparing across the gap you would say so
@themomorain
@themomorain 8 місяців тому
2:00 Yoo I remember this smoke this was so meta cause you wanted to deny the mid crossfire and pushing through your own smoke was so normal xD
@CSDummythxc
@CSDummythxc 11 місяців тому
i cant wait to watch your video in 10 years. i had been saying all beta that i cant wait till like 5 years into cs2 release and where the game will be. its already so amazing at beta, looking at go beta to now world of a difference. amazing video. i am so stoked for the next cs2 beta wave
@mightykonsti6471
@mightykonsti6471 11 місяців тому
Dont forget how hardware developed in these 10 years: Today you have really good 240 or even 360 hz displays, gpus and cpus developed faster than valve could push out graphical updates so you have way more fps on high end hardware. Also mice and keyboards are way better than in 2013. And dont forget these fancy gaming chairs. They are obviously the most important improvement.
@Andious
@Andious 11 місяців тому
There were kids a couple years ago that qualified to FPL on 60Hz monitors. The hardware is a factor but not overly important.
@8kokorika8
@8kokorika8 11 місяців тому
@@Andious few years ago 144 was barely the standard nowdays if you even want to dream about FPL-C you pretty much have to have 244, the peeking advantage it gives is huge in CS. Another thing is, aimwise people became much better. All of those things combined = without stable FPS and atleast 144 hz monitor you can only dream about FPL.
@Andious
@Andious 11 місяців тому
@@8kokorika8 144 was definitely more than "barely the standard" during 2019-2020 lmao, and also no-one plays on 244Hz, you have no idea what you're talking about.
@final2k565
@final2k565 11 місяців тому
@@8kokorika8I think u mean 240 hz but I play 280hz just recently upgraded from 144
@junilog
@junilog 11 місяців тому
Dude CRT monitors had high refresh rate. Have you ever used one?
@ad3mn
@ad3mn 11 місяців тому
Back in the day, when sponsors were part of your nametag.
@burgerchild
@burgerchild 11 місяців тому
never forget friberg crucial
@TheRoniverseOfficial
@TheRoniverseOfficial 11 місяців тому
it was through Xizt that i first learned about the brand Xtrfy. he had it on his nametag at one point and the brand name stood out to me enough to research it.
@maxthefallenangel940
@maxthefallenangel940 11 місяців тому
7:39 I love the star rail reference
@saymehname
@saymehname 11 місяців тому
Love this contrast piece. Thanks
@MCWordicus
@MCWordicus 11 місяців тому
I love Valve's continual updates of maps, something almost unique. There are so many maps in other fps games that could be improved with small tweaks or simple changes that make a big impact on map balance/flow, but the devs just refuse to alter anything.
@pedrorequio5515
@pedrorequio5515 11 місяців тому
There is a missing informafion here that is crucial to the vast change, the round time and bomb time, back then the round was 20 second shorter(1 : 35) and the bomb 5 second shorter(35 second), I believe many in the comunity might not know be aware because the update was in late 2015, but at the time I played faceit in the lower round time, with the shorter round your tactical options were less, you had to commit once you choose a site a fake was hard, there was simply not enough time, running smoke was always a bad idea but Inferno was super CT sided back then because you could almost close the sites forever with the smokes, Valve decided to up the round time to make the game in competitive uniforme with casual experience which is important but 1.35 was too short for lesser players. They run smokes because they had too, winning on round time was Common for CTs. Also important this tournament had a 250k prize pool, that is the money for all team, I believe the winner got 100k which was very good at the time, Valve funded this prize pool entirely, also they get a share of sticker revenue, this was a Major Shift because sticker revenue share can outpace the prize pool, which guarantees revenue for all teams present. In 2013 most pro did not sustain themselves on counter strike only, not the case for these teams who probably had sponsors, but they were not rich, most in the tournament were what we could consider today amateurs, as in CS was a passion indeed but not their job, most prize pools were 25k for all teams and there was not a tournament season like today were some tournament dont have some teams because they cant possibly go to every single one. Today there is enough money for this players to play full time and have couches and we dont see this but these guys put thousands of hours we dont see and never will, this is what they do to the point were they live with each other in preparation for a big tournament for example and coordinate. Back then a lot of tournaments were online and some players were simply in their homes participativa, today they are in the HQ of their team paying together despite being online to guarantee all conditions(Internet and such, players like Adren from Kazahkistan had monstrous Ping,not something we see today at Tier 1).
@Kreege
@Kreege 11 місяців тому
it was 1:45/:35
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 11 місяців тому
Press enter every now and then. Reading wall of text with no formatting is painful.
@reeidly
@reeidly 11 місяців тому
it's a similar experience right now with the release of street fighter 6 just on the horizon. All the old metas, the old combos and strats, all the impractical combos no one thought would land in a real match, it's just standard fare now. Player growth is just so darn cool
@prodigy227
@prodigy227 9 місяців тому
Great video! Gradual changes over time often stay unnoticed, but the game play changed actually a lot.
@bardenhick2121
@bardenhick2121 11 місяців тому
Molotovs: 2013 pros: “I’m gonna pretend like I didn’t see that”
@kripzzy6732
@kripzzy6732 11 місяців тому
I hate this joke format, it’s always so boring
@bardenhick2121
@bardenhick2121 11 місяців тому
@@kripzzy6732 damn that’s tough
@FBarbarian
@FBarbarian 11 місяців тому
bear in mind that the game mechanics - shooting, damage of weapons was different (glocks were super strong for example) and the layout were different. No doubt that players improved over the years, but some things that seem crazy now worked before because the maps were very different from what they are today after numerous reworks. Inferno wasn't as narrow as it is today so molotovs didn't work as well as they do now. And A site was much easier to retake than it is now.
@thatraider7326
@thatraider7326 11 місяців тому
War owl I recently re-picked up cs again and watching your videos gives me nostalgia for the old cs days
@adityakanakhra4313
@adityakanakhra4313 11 місяців тому
This might be the best most refined, well researched, and orignal warowl video. not saying that the other videos are bad, but this one just take it to another level.
@ToxicEndflame
@ToxicEndflame 11 місяців тому
One thing I wanted to add about the awp purchases in the 2013 finals. Neither team had a true dedicated awper at the time, even JW still prefered rifles at the time, especially on Inferno. It wasn't until 2014 rolled around that the awp really became a staple part of the meta. Also given how well these two teams knew each other, it's safe to say they knew it would be rifles across the board the whole game.
@Kenneth-tu4ck
@Kenneth-tu4ck 11 місяців тому
We are gamers in morocco and we love the WarOwl videos. Great content, always entertaining and incredible sense of humor. The best CSGO content creator! I hope you keep doing this for many years to come and make a nice profit ;)
@hazy-
@hazy- 11 місяців тому
Someone get this man a closer! Going on ten years now! But seriously, you've been a huge part of csgo for many players, especially newbies. Thanks for sticking around all this time.
@joschaschmidt2509
@joschaschmidt2509 11 місяців тому
thats such a cool video idea! Could you make more comparisons? This could be a series!
@filipbartas576
@filipbartas576 11 місяців тому
WarOwl always delivers great and original content. Pure perfection!
@Anderslaw
@Anderslaw 11 місяців тому
This literally isn’t an original idea
@filipbartas576
@filipbartas576 11 місяців тому
@@Anderslaw It sure is in my feed.
@LKSgm
@LKSgm 9 місяців тому
7:25 wait that's not how inflation works lol
@em34ev3r
@em34ev3r 2 місяці тому
This high level stuff!! I love professional counter-strike, some of the most memorable moments have been done in professional CS.
@renatocfrancisco
@renatocfrancisco 11 місяців тому
yes! a major video! great commentary as always.
@MexicanTacoGaming
@MexicanTacoGaming 11 місяців тому
What I miss the most are the less cluttered maps. I like how the new maps look, but there's too much visual noise imo. (Not saying old maps were perfect, they all have their disadvantages too)
@MasayaShida
@MasayaShida 11 місяців тому
NiP was always so fun to watch
@masterwulfgar1657
@masterwulfgar1657 11 місяців тому
warowl, I just watched the marine fitness videos and I must say I appreciate you even more now, keep doing what makes you happy, I wish you all the best
@WayoftheFerret
@WayoftheFerret 10 місяців тому
My friends have convinced me to try CS:GO recently and my struggles with the obtuse mechanics have made me empathize with them for their struggles with Quake, which I am much more familiar with as I played it since I was a kid. So much of this game is unintuitive but "it's always been that way" so it continues to be so.
@LuchoH838
@LuchoH838 11 місяців тому
I miss old inferno and cobblestone so much. The nostalgia from watching those majors at school 😢
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 11 місяців тому
I miss cobble, but old inferno really wasn't that good of a map. They did good job reworking it.
@Prince.Claveria
@Prince.Claveria 11 місяців тому
I still remember the term "Reset" in the old CS:GO economy. It's basically when you eco for 2-3 rounds and finally won a round but if you lost another it will reset your eco again. It was hell and at the same time, great. You can easily predict your enemies' economy. Unlike nowdays there's the Loss Bonus feature rewarding players who are losing and punishing players who are winning. Maybe this is the reason why the old tournament full eco'd and rarely bought the AWP because of the economy reset. Anyways, great video man, keep up the good work!
@Bwillev
@Bwillev 11 місяців тому
Honestly, I really enjoy your videos. But this one just hit me hard with a wall of nostalgia. I met so many good long term friends in 2013. CS was my literal life back then. Go to class. Do my work. Game the rest of the night. Summers off from Uni, worked all day then gamed all night til the wee hours to feel like complete shit going into work the next day. Man, how things have changed in 10 years lol Crazy to really think about. Great video man. Also, this makes me miss "Anne Frank" on inferno lol. I used to love that little spot with the broken wall.
@onose10000
@onose10000 11 місяців тому
The hard eco was a remnant from 1.6/source where we'd just hard eco and try to finish off the round asap or delay the round while talking about tactics instead of using up a tactical timeout. Although there were times that the hard eco somehow wins against a full buy, but those were rarer than stat trak reds so, hard eco was a better call than pistols with armor against rifles with will full gear.
@trudaftgunpunk
@trudaftgunpunk 11 місяців тому
I like turtles
@AdultVirgin
@AdultVirgin 11 місяців тому
I like turtles too
@ImpuscaVana
@ImpuscaVana 11 місяців тому
They like turtles
@zaneatat
@zaneatat 11 місяців тому
We like turtles
@AHappyCub
@AHappyCub 11 місяців тому
Turtles are cool
@emircs2442
@emircs2442 11 місяців тому
i hate turtles. they are racist
@Cavi587
@Cavi587 11 місяців тому
I really wonder how this translates to non-pro play. Matchmaking. From my own experience playing since 2014, I think a modern DMG would probably destroy 2014 GE's lol. But maybe I'm just full of bullshit. Hey, maybe that's a good video idea? Kind of a follow up. If we, the viewers, send you 2013/14 demos and 2023 demos, could you perhaps compare and comment 14 GN's, LE's, GE's to 2023 equivalents? Would be really cool.
@gamingmarcus
@gamingmarcus 11 місяців тому
Back in the days you could walk between silvers and they wouldn't even notice that you're an enemy if you didn't shoot. Nowadays they got sound, aim, everything. The skill floor had increased a lot (thanks to guys like warowl)
@Cavi587
@Cavi587 11 місяців тому
@@gamingmarcus Yeah, I do remember that, I started all the way from Silver 1 10 years ago. Not that long ago I was back in silver after years of letting my rank decay and people generally had the vague idea of how the game works. And when I got to gold nova after a few games I was surprised because people use utility, of course not as well as GE's or hight faceit levels, but back in the day you could be in LE and many people didn't know utility because they were able to get there with pure aim.
@felixp1591
@felixp1591 11 місяців тому
@@Cavi587 Lol, what is the difference to today then? I still rarely see LEs that use utility, they are mostly good aimers. The casual scene really hasn't changed a lot in my 8 years of playing MM.
@damian6516
@damian6516 11 місяців тому
I played since 1.5 and some early CS GO, it's actually crazy that people think that Globals in 2014 are anywhere close to MG-DMG today. The game was going strong in 2014, got a serious boost in the playebase and a lot of the Global and Suprem players already played 1.6 for years. I never considered any rank below suprem to be great and honestly it didn't change. There isn't exponential growth in skill like some players like to believe, the games are too old for that. A lot of pros hit a ceiling and it's only down hill for them from that point. S1mple in 2018 is a lot better than S1mple in 2023. Globals in 2014 were still a lot better than majority of LEM and lower players today.
@Cavi587
@Cavi587 11 місяців тому
@@felixp1591 Are you NA or Europe? I'm only talking about Europe, I should have disclosed that. I have no knowledge of how it looks in other regions honestly. I mean yeah, you can still go far in MM with just good aim. But people in LE still use some default mollies and default smokes. Which was unheard of back then. If you threw a basic mid smoke on mirage you were considered a person who knows what they're doing lol.
@eddiemoberg5999
@eddiemoberg5999 11 місяців тому
WarOwl deeply entertained me throw high school 2013 as a commentator of the professional games he uploaded. Watching WarOwl then go home and play csgo, good times:D
@wakeboarder5469
@wakeboarder5469 11 місяців тому
Great stuff as usual. You're really a professional.
@lordweedy
@lordweedy 11 місяців тому
I think there was a gentleman agreement in early pro csgo to not use mollies
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 11 місяців тому
I think you're mistaken.
@Infarlock
@Infarlock 11 місяців тому
Really miss the old NiP team
@jordantabakov1644
@jordantabakov1644 11 місяців тому
FRIBERG HE DOES IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN ❤. Games were so explosive and unpredictable back then, now 2 die and the ct’s save 😂
@Erindale
@Erindale 11 місяців тому
I only really played back in 2013-14 so it's crazy to see how much it's changed
@haze2091
@haze2091 11 місяців тому
fantastic video as always, WarOwl!
@ZimbabweanBugbite
@ZimbabweanBugbite 11 місяців тому
It’s a good day when Andy Warhol posts
@N00000OOOOBY
@N00000OOOOBY 11 місяців тому
ah yes, my favourite youtuber andy yahoo
@Dra1n__TV
@Dra1n__TV 11 місяців тому
Always fun to turn back the wheels of time
@marcusnielsen2869
@marcusnielsen2869 11 місяців тому
was so relatable back then. It felt like the way you played with your friends, just better ofc. now its a whole different game seeing pros, not just better at the same game.
@MILFSLAYER6969
@MILFSLAYER6969 11 місяців тому
great video idea man. Always get good content from Mr. No closer
@OriginalRaveParty
@OriginalRaveParty 11 місяців тому
2013 Pro CS looks about the level of 2023 MGE matchmaking. The whole player base has come a long way with the improvement of the game, and technology.
@felixp1591
@felixp1591 11 місяців тому
I hope this is not serious, comparing the OG pros to MGE?
@OffensiveFarmer
@OffensiveFarmer 11 місяців тому
You're tripping if you actually think that. Strat wise it was lacking massively but the aim and reaction time was still insane back then, i've been unlucky enough to play against some pros at faceit level 10 and even when they're pugging and just holding W they're crazily good.
@damian6516
@damian6516 11 місяців тому
@@OffensiveFarmer It's safe to say that MGE now and MGE then is still clueless about the level of pro players that much is clear
@kal--yt4es
@kal--yt4es 11 місяців тому
Ngl csgo has become a science at this point
@lore6362
@lore6362 11 місяців тому
i've always thought of this topic ty warowl
@livianmarin2386
@livianmarin2386 10 місяців тому
Really enjoyed this comparison. But when your favorite CS content creator mentions your favorite CS player in his video, it hits different! Good job iM for the great tournament. Can't believe only one year ago you were playing at Nexus and nobody outside Romania knew about you, and now you're the best prodigy in the world!
@MaveRick01
@MaveRick01 11 місяців тому
Nice video, but it still feels like you glossed over things, because you cant encapsulate 10 years of development into 8 minutes. I wouldn't mind seeing a 50 minute documentary if you're up for it
@TheWarOwl
@TheWarOwl 11 місяців тому
I enjoyed making this video and looking into the differences so I'm thinking of making a sequel where we go more in depth!
@mushroomcrepes4780
@mushroomcrepes4780 11 місяців тому
@@TheWarOwl that would be amazing!
@neek911
@neek911 11 місяців тому
​@@TheWarOwlnew series "The meta history of inferno" etc
@dev1ce888
@dev1ce888 11 місяців тому
Thank you gla1ve and astralis for making the game better
@ashadowintime7305
@ashadowintime7305 4 місяці тому
WarOwl in 10 years: "looking back it's insane how in this 2023 major final only one shotgun was bought when it has replaced the rifle right now in CS 2.3"
@CR0WYT
@CR0WYT 11 місяців тому
I'm conviced that Globals back then are now the average Gold Novas. The popularity boom of 2015 made the already high skill ceiling go through the roof due to UKpostsrs sharing every bit of information they could and already experienced players innovated on that information.
@branislavmlynka5357
@branislavmlynka5357 11 місяців тому
dont agree with novas, but definitely something around dmg ,yes
@lumina1re329
@lumina1re329 11 місяців тому
I think people that say this suffer extremely from recency bias and don't have a good understanding of the history of this game. It wasn't a new FPS, there were loads of former top 1.6 players in the casual scene so by late 2013 the ranking was already stacked. Only around the release and the time of NiP 87-0 record you could truly say there wasn't that much competition in the pro or even casual scene as 1.6 was still much more popular. A global in late 2013 would still smash any LE-LEM level player today.
@felixp1591
@felixp1591 11 місяців тому
@@lumina1re329 Absolutely. Lmao, so ridiculous, how many people in the comments think the average scrub is better than the OG top players.
@lumina1re329
@lumina1re329 11 місяців тому
@@felixp1591 Yeah as if f0rest wasn't already a pro for almost a decade by november 2013 (first csgo major). Very early CS GO wasn't as competitive cause a lot of 1.6 still didn't move on and others were half assing at the time, but obviously not to the effect that gold novas were top match making players (which would be kinda stupid to say but I get it with recency bias)
@rawbmar1166
@rawbmar1166 11 місяців тому
@@lumina1re329 There was a ranking update a few years after the game came out which reset the ranks and made it harder. Many people who were once high rank during the early days of the game could only reach Nova / MG. These players would always say "I used to be X rank before the reset" not knowing this new rank is where they actually belong. Globals back then would be unable to compete with MGE's of today just due to the meta and utility meta shifts as Warowl showed here.
@Carftymk
@Carftymk 11 місяців тому
i've been saying it for years and i still stand by it. a current LEM random team would demolish 2012 NIP
@sterlingdriggs8806
@sterlingdriggs8806 11 місяців тому
That reminds me of Dota. I looked back at the first Tournament winners and realized I could have crushed them after I had been playing for 6 years.
@felixp1591
@felixp1591 11 місяців тому
Never. The average current LEM is still dogshit compared to old pro teams. Source: I am bad at the game and do decent against LEM.
@zinku418
@zinku418 11 місяців тому
Wow, crazy you started promoting Control!, just as i had started ordering it, definitely going to use your code, thanks Warowl!
@diamlee
@diamlee 11 місяців тому
Such a great look at the change of the state of play. Top tier as always WarOwl
@AntwanMounir
@AntwanMounir 11 місяців тому
Please never incorporate the sponsor that way again. Hated it
@roberjanprestesfilho6104
@roberjanprestesfilho6104 11 місяців тому
Hey WarOwl! You could expand this series showing how the meta evolved!!! it would be fun. Cheers from Brazil
@CodKikkeli
@CodKikkeli 14 днів тому
Wow what a trick to play that retake during the ad. I think there hasn't been single time before that i haven't skipped that in any video.
@gofetimbi
@gofetimbi 11 місяців тому
gotta love the upload schedule
@schylarreed2481
@schylarreed2481 11 місяців тому
Love the look back. Some good memories!
@Paxton171
@Paxton171 4 місяці тому
I never thought about doing this for CS, but I do this a lot with SC2. Some gold players today could be world champs back in 2011 for SC2.
@martinosvald6711
@martinosvald6711 11 місяців тому
good video man. very good content. keep it up :)
@editedbytwentynine
@editedbytwentynine 11 місяців тому
feels so good to see iM in a warowl video, he got shouted out aswell :)) (btw us romanians pronounce his name like "eat, met" but without the t's
@MereCashmere
@MereCashmere 11 місяців тому
More cimparisons like this! It would be cool to see how playstyles shift even on the same team from year to year, say Fnatic '13 to '17 or somethin
@martinhansen6802
@martinhansen6802 11 місяців тому
Good video! The skill ceiling has gotten so high now. 2013 CS looks like a bunch of regular CSGO players in matchmaking. Holding W. Id even say that their movement, gun and aim mechanics individually would be similar to my own today. Those same players got alot better over time and im still stuck in 2013 :)
@husky2961
@husky2961 11 місяців тому
I think cadian explained it very well during his crash at talent desk at malta. The game has been analyzed into seconds precision.
@alienxhris7206
@alienxhris7206 8 місяців тому
kinda cool to see how much change
@ruijikisu
@ruijikisu 11 місяців тому
this is actually very common in sports at one point i watched the historic wembley finale of the world cup in 1966 and my dad remarked that a amateur junior team from today would beat those teams today. its just fascinating that this kinda development happens in sports even if the basic rules are very static, even more interesting that it happens so fast in counter strike. like at one point it was like watching a game from a year ago felt outdated
@ChipsGoutSmegma
@ChipsGoutSmegma 11 місяців тому
That's a good news, it means that CS is a healthy esport game, following the trad sport evolution
@jongberto
@jongberto 11 місяців тому
I was introduced to CS esports by Warowl when he was commenting on a demo between NiP and some other team. Might've been VeryGames, but I can't remember 100%. My interest has waned since then, but I won't ever forget the 2014-2017 era.
@aamir_xo
@aamir_xo 11 місяців тому
This was such a fun ride to nostalgia town! Idea: Comparing individual pros in identical situations. 2013 cadiaN vs 2023 cadiaN.
@lordzeolite
@lordzeolite 11 місяців тому
love how you still use transistor sound track in your videos.
@Uliio
@Uliio 11 місяців тому
Love the FpsDough reference. Absolute legend
@hahahahaha7237
@hahahahaha7237 10 місяців тому
Never seen an ad and something I want to watch at the same time, big win.
@a_wild_Kirillian
@a_wild_Kirillian 11 місяців тому
That's a very cool video. Thanks, Warowl
@Eidolon5150
@Eidolon5150 8 місяців тому
iM played very well for an unknown player. Very impressed and hope he does well for navi.
@GSicKz
@GSicKz 4 місяці тому
nice now we also need a comparision like this for all 4 games: cs 1.6, source, csgo and cs2 on a map like dust2 for example would be super interesting!
@lolzold4
@lolzold4 11 місяців тому
I remember that top mid smoke... I still throw it sometimes because I got so used to it 😂.
@kiwitroll177
@kiwitroll177 11 місяців тому
Great video man
@youtub-fj8mu
@youtub-fj8mu 11 місяців тому
That ad placement was evil Props to you
@Callofdeath1997
@Callofdeath1997 11 місяців тому
He cracked the code, at 3:20 ish never watched an ad on youtube but this kinda forces me to take a difficult decision Well played sir
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