AG is great

Besides paladin and monk, which "most" healers arent hard casting dps spells? All of them except the 2 i said does hard Cast

@@LaLaCucaracha Historically Rdru plays cat for damage, and disc heals through damage so they technically do hardcast dps spells, but it doesn't take away from their healing. I would count these two in addition to Pala and Monk

@@grundesakariassen1885 All rdruids I saw were balance. Disc priest mechanics IS doing damage.

100% it filled that void.

I do have a gut feeling that when I watch reviews of the resto shaman class in Dragonflight some things are being overlooked. I think this is one of them but also totemic recall with earthen wall seems like a great thing to press to mitigate damage. To me, it seems like the number of impactful CD presses has just multiplied with respect to the SL version. Two talents, however; mentioned, Downpour and Ever-Rising Tide, I'm not sure why these, especially the later, would ever be picked as they both seem like such weak talents.

@@machinedreams9625 Totemic Recall is a very powerful cooldown indeed. And I actually like ERT for m+, it can help you pump out more damage with the extra haste and it's a really short cooldown. Shaman is all about cooldwon usage, as you always have something powerful to do. Stuns, Knock Ups, Damage mitigation etc. means that good shaman players are always contributing meaningfully to encounters.

Yeah tell that to your teammates you are gonna cast long ass small heal on them so please stand close to you

I feel you. People don't use that talent and want to keep dpsing as healer. High tide is a saver, for me, personally, its waaay better than ascendance. You can top life your friends easily. Even in raid, if you fully heal 5 of your mates, its better than heal a little bit of everyone.

@@normy6801 it's not that long with riptide. Decrease casting of chain heal.

That would be dope, sad for ench shammans tho since that's their one unique spell

Or shamanism. This is like a better PI

skyfury totem

@@normy6801 or that ye

I think mana spring could potentially be useful in raid environments because only healers need the mana. It might make having more then one shaman deliver a fair amount of mana. However; I agree, one mana spring on its own, restores mana for beans.

Nerf inc?

No

@@LaLaCucaracha very elaborate and well thought out response, thank you

Evoker

no? 150% increased damage means 250% damage. times 2, thats 500%, so you spend 3 gcd's to do 5 gcd's worth of damage

Damage matters, get over it. Or, another way to look at it, if you aren’t in a situation where damage matters, which class you play probably doesn’t either, so rejoice!

@@borkguy Kellin has the right of it. If you don't care about damage because it's irrelevant to the key content you're pushing, then you are in a position where you can play literally any healer.

@@borkguy Get over what exactly? I am guessing your part of the 0,5% people? Perhaps fanboy/fangirl. Damage is not super important for the healer unless your pushing world first keys never have I ran a +25 or below and thought omg thank goodness my healer pulled that big 7k dps overall or we would not have timed the key rofl.

@@MrMadman111 i think all of us had this moments, when you barely kill boss and/or manage to finish key in time with like 10 seconds left to spare. In moments like that i like to think, that every little damage that i made as a healer helped us to make it to the sweet victory

There's a guy above who wrote a comment, he wants to tell you his life story about how great he is and never does damage. Go talk to him, please. It will distract him and nobody else wants to do it.

greg

Now you can go back to fortnite 👋

Cool story casual

you are in fact encouraged to focus on healing. The top priority is still to keep people alive.

Since M+ came out. Doing damage and killing things faster is active damage mitigation. Healing will always be our main focus, but damaging is always a golden boon

Rdruid is just designed perfectly and don't have any real big weakness just like rogue or mage. As long as the tuning isn't extremely bad, they just can't be bad. In literally every content.

While I agree the removal of abilities was bad and clearly because 'we need to have enough talents to make them have "meaningful choices,"(a term they like but dont actually understand) the idea that "Shaman's talent tree represents the most regressive and shallow design of any of the talent trees" is extremely questionable. Overall the Shaman design was rather well liked by the community, you can see this on Liquid Maximum's channel when he had a panel of shamans on to discuss it, as well as many other videos, comment threads, and articles. It has many powerful talents, most of which are one point, but is just too bloated by the amount of utility taken away and then forced back in through talents. This makes getting a "full" feeling kit very difficult. The "two point tax" to get to your keystones is bad but far from unique to shaman and at least most of those are useful and most bad ones can be routed around. Others do not have this luxury. Priests, to be able to get to their keystone "Power Word: Life" which is a great new spell have to take a two point talent that reduces the cast time of smite and flash heal by 10% BUT only when above 75% health. Its basically a dead talent that just eats up two points and doesnt even provide that much CDR ontop of being heavily conditional. That's not all though, on the other side to be able to take Mindgames they have to take another two point talent that makes shadow word pain do 6% more damage. That would be about a .5% throughput increase for two points. And neither of these can be routed around, you only have one path in to each keystone. In the druid tree there is no way to make it from moonkin or resto to the bottom left keystone at all. You have to take a full set of feral talents to be able to do so, and even then you're delegated a specific route. Its a hybrid class known for its multirole ability that can no longer use most of its forms.. Worse yet, for a moonkin or healer with the affinity to take their kick, skull bash, they have to take 8 points of feral talents, most of which are dead and punctuated by a 3 point node that gives 2% armor and physical damage per point, which is 100% dead for those caster classes. There is intentionally a decision to make kick a 4 point talent for all druids. THAT is amazingly bad design, even specs that previously did have it now have to choose if its worth it. They also have 3 3-point nodes and they're all in position to block off important abilities- skull bash, cyclone and heart of the Wild. There are many more examples but these are just among the healers specifically. Dps and tanks both have plenty of examples as well. I am unimpressed by the system and think it needed a lot of time to go through iteration cycles to be made into something worthwhile, and unfortunately we didn't get that. But, being melodramatic is not going to help or get people to take you seriously. It might be the one you care about the most, and it might not be very good in areas but its far from the worst. By now everyone has heard that "my spec is the worst and needs to be fixed right now" about every single spec in the game. If you want them to listen, give them something to listen to: Explain exactly what is wrong, why and what would fix it.

@@booradley6832 Liquid Max is the absolute worst possible person to represent the "community". He's playing a completely different game than the rest of us and it's a part of the game that is only played by an extreme minority of the players. To put it bluntly, what he says or doesn't say is representative of a world first raiding guild and not the "community". Of all the classes, shaman was one of the worst, if not the worst, class when it comes to having baseline abilities being taken away and being turned into talents. That alone makes it one of the laziest and worst trees of all classes. I have yet to find a single person to bring a valid argument for why this is acceptable let alone a good design. It's lazy and it destroys the entire gameplay of the class. If they can't take the time to create talent trees that don't rely on removing 3/4's the toolkit, then they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. You can talk about 2 point and 3 point nodes, but you are already so far past the red flags and problems with these new trees. The problem starts with the fake complexity. They've flooded the trees in an effort to force complexity but at the same time, it added so little depth that it's worthless. But it's actually worse than that. These talent trees were specifically designed for people like Max. People who can and will invest the time to actually care about the difference between a 2 point and 3 point talent or micromanaging talents. When you design the game for 1% of the playerbase, it's not a good design. Blizzard is trying to once again compete against the simming tools. Add enough variables to the formula and the sims can't function. The problem is that in their efforts to attack the simming tools, they've made it so incomprehensibly hard for a player to know what abilities and talents to pick that it's a shit show. l The most frustrating thing about these new talent trees is that they'll abandon them soon enough just like they abandoned the talent system they replaced which was ALSO a system that was designed to be used going forward.

But Max wasnt the one doing the analysis, he's the moderator and has community experts of the class come on to do it for each spec. High end raiders, class discord standouts, etc. Literally everyone got everything taken away. Shaman having more buttons means they lost more, but nobody came away with much at all. Its not even like Shamans lost more of their base kit. Druids forgot how to cast two of their four basic dps spells (sunfire, starfire,) warriors dont know any of their stances, there's a good example for every class. Lots of other classes had basic functionality of abilities split into multi point nodes. The lack of a base kit is a universal complaint no matter who the class is. Saying "its built for people like Max" as if that's a bad thing. They're trying to make it so that you can easily play the game without knowing every interaction but if you want to push it further to do the hardest possible content you have to engage with the talents and push for the extra 1%. "Easy to learn, hard to master" Is held up as the ideal design. Even if it is like that, playing a class well will always outdo playing the best possible spec but not being able to execute the incredibly demanding rotation, i.e. bloodtalons druid. There is no paywall or even information wall preventing you from being as good as you can be, everything is out there, people are directly telling you how to do it and with what. There is no great handicap on just shamans. If anything them no coming away with 3/4 covenant abilities is hurting them more than anything else. You're just going play the victim with no substance to your conviction. Its fairly clear you havent looked around to see how bad it is for all but a few classes and have no frame of reference but just want to throw a tantrum, so enjoy the expansion hopefully it drives people like you to have some introspection or just go away.

@@booradley6832 No offense, but I think you are more caught up in the fact that I'm disagreeing rather than actually addressing anything that I'm saying. What's worse is that all you are doing is barking out that a couple of people told you that it was good and like a good little sheep, you followed them. If all you can do is keep repeating "well, Max's stream said it was great, so it's great", then we can just save everyone's time by just ignoring you. In all of your longwinded replies, you have not addressed a single complaint that I've brought up. At best, you've dismissed it by saying "everyone got everything taken away" without even the slightest hint that exactly what you just described is a problem. How oblivious can you be? I fucking hate that everything got taken away and think it's lazy and regressive for the game. Do you think it somehow makes it better that every class had things taken away? You don't think through what you are posting. [Saying "its built for people like Max" as if that's a bad thing. ] Yes, let's design the game for less than 1% of the playerbase. Wait, no, don't do that. That's fucking dumb. How could you possibly think that what you just posted had any merit to it at all? You have to think through what you are saying because apparently, you don't realize that not everyone agrees with you and no amount of "but max" is going to change that because not everyone lives and dies based on what happens on max's stream. "Easy to learn, hard to master" is the exact opposite of these talent trees. YOU... specifically YOU... and the majority of the playerbase is not going to figure out what is the best build for the class. Instead YOU are going to have people like Max or those discord bros TELL you what to pick. When you create systems that are complex for the sake of being complex, all it does is ensure that you CAN'T pick talents based on what you think is best because it's impossible to look at these talents and determine which ones are going to be better or worse without a script evaluating them. So, if you bother to respond again, try bringing some value to the discussion rather than wasting time clearly getting upset that I didn't shine the boots of your master Max. Or maybe you don't don't have any standards and just accept whatever is given to you. That's fine. Some people think McDonald's is good food. Others like myself actually have our own opinions though and don't rely on having no standards or rely on someone else telling us how to think.

Hmm

what?!

Are you needy? No one asked for what you think about Growl. You name "Boo" and your face is very gay too and no one give a F and say thay to you ... BECAUSE DOING THIS I FRIGGIN IDIOCY

Cool story bro.

@@spurdosparde7494 cool reply bro!

Spurdo's reply had about as much depth to it as your post, but at least respected the reader enough to not waste their time.

@@booradley6832 if you're on UKposts you're wasting your own time and thank you for giving my comment the light of day. I'm super flattered.

Lol ace b8

Dps matters as a healer, prpbably not so much in your 15s but in higher keys its very important

You can get through a dungeon one of two ways. By keeping everyone alive and topped up or by making the mob die before it overpowers your teammates. One of these two is vastly more effective at helping get there before the timer runs out.

you're bad

You're a fucking cartoon bird, who gives a fuck what you think? Goofy ass.

@@ToadsTho seethe

@@lugiapkmn No u

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