How far can I broadcast LoRa packets WITHOUT a radio? - LoLRa

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CNLohr

CNLohr

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Code/Writeup/Resources: github.com/cnlohr/lolra
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Memes, in order of appearance: Tiny Paper Senior Chang, Trollface Rage Comic, Nerdy RF Mixer, 69-420, Sanic Gotta Go Fast, Midwit IQ Bell Curve, “Y U NO” Guy, Feels Good, This Is Fine, Great Gatsby Reaction
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@LanceCSTCuddy
@LanceCSTCuddy Місяць тому
You’re crazy. I’m convinced that all RF engineers are wizards.
@avramitra
@avramitra Місяць тому
I was convinced long ago that Charles was a wizard.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Місяць тому
Aleays have been
@tomfahey2823
@tomfahey2823 Місяць тому
RF engineering is basically Black Magic (or so I've heard).
@theKLAMOS094
@theKLAMOS094 Місяць тому
Yeah I did a lora project before starting my engineering degree... Sweet and tears man, but mostly a huge amount of datasheet and theory to read
@OskarHersch
@OskarHersch Місяць тому
Yet they remix ideas every 4 years for children wonderment.
@papa_gowon
@papa_gowon Місяць тому
Charles: so I made the GPIO pin go real fast. FCC: and I took that personally.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Місяць тому
I dont think there is a better meme for this video 😂
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I am unfamiliar with this meme
@red13emerald
@red13emerald Місяць тому
I think the FCC can't even complain if the signal is below the noise floor, could it?
@terjeoseberg990
@terjeoseberg990 Місяць тому
@@red13emerald, The problem with this is that the desired signal is below the noise floor, but there are other undesired signals being produced that aren’t. These need to be removed with a high pass filter.
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Місяць тому
@@red13emerald fair point
@breaktrace
@breaktrace Місяць тому
"That final output is 69.420 MHz" Nice.
@dtupper
@dtupper Місяць тому
Nice.
@ve4edj
@ve4edj Місяць тому
Nice
@dan3a
@dan3a Місяць тому
Nice.
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 Місяць тому
Nice.
@Krbydav328
@Krbydav328 Місяць тому
Nice
@macyler
@macyler Місяць тому
Incredible as always. And simultaneously terrifying. Now we just wait for the headline “Gaming keyboards had firmware undetectably overwritten to broadcast key strokes hundreds of meters via LoRa, without physical access, from user-mode application”
@GeekProdigyGuy
@GeekProdigyGuy Місяць тому
It would only work at a very small volume, right? Otherwise there'd be a ton of noise from thousands of different keyboards.
@juliankandlhofer7553
@juliankandlhofer7553 Місяць тому
@@GeekProdigyGuy thats the beauty of spread spectrum! just think about how many bluetooth devices are around you and it still works flawlessly. well maybe not if everyone was just spewing out subharmonics to get a few picowatts of actual signal 😅
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
there's far scarier things goin on in the world, no need to freak out over this.
@drhxa
@drhxa Місяць тому
​@@CNLohr The only correct response
@antonliakhovitch8306
@antonliakhovitch8306 Місяць тому
There have been plenty of security research papers along this line
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Місяць тому
This Is The Most Insane "Doing Alot with a Little " Project ive eve seen
@Scrogan
@Scrogan Місяць тому
Does it beat space invaders on an ATtiny10? Maybe.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Місяць тому
@@Scroganin my opinion yes lol
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Oh man... I have never heard that turn of phrase but it speaks to my soul.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Місяць тому
@@CNLohr I kinda made it up lol. But it’s so true. Amazing job! Can’t wait to see what you make next!
@TheKuptis
@TheKuptis 22 дні тому
@@aurorajunior6328 Sorry but that phrase predates you. It's been around for quite awhile.
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Місяць тому
You are a rare human, gifted, tenacious in your pursuit of knowledge, and incredibly generous. Thanks for sharing, the light shines brightly through you.
@davidwillmore
@davidwillmore Місяць тому
I'll buy that for a dollar!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I appreciate your kind words.
@thefatmoop
@thefatmoop Місяць тому
Aggressive bandpass filtering could probably make this fcc passable. Amazing work
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Місяць тому
Yeah but that makes this become radio circuitry with a filter and amplifier, etcc
@user-lc1sy4bz2j
@user-lc1sy4bz2j Місяць тому
Aggressive badass work 😅
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
@@kreuner11 Not really, a bp filter can be some traces scratched off copper pcb. It''s dumb (and illegal) to not make or use one tbh.
@willhatch7721
@willhatch7721 Місяць тому
Was thinking the same thing. This could be a real fun network filter design process
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 Місяць тому
@@nobodynoone2500 I think he started with that proviso
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
Bandpass filters make these kinda hacks easier, more effective, and more polite to those around you. Every radio hacker should have a pile of remade ones, a tunable one, and the know how to throw one together from scrap. It's a rare but useful superpower in the rf world.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I agree! This was just to get things working with minimal hardware, not getting things working well.
@juliankandlhofer7553
@juliankandlhofer7553 Місяць тому
dude even attempting this is insane. that you managed to get it working is borderline lunacy. what you're doing is absolutely masterful and i cannot express how impressed i am
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Don't let silly things like feasibility stand in your way. Just keep pushing.
@muriatik_
@muriatik_ Місяць тому
this is the purest definition of knowing how to break all the rules
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
You can't break rules when there aren't any.
@geekswithfeet9137
@geekswithfeet9137 Місяць тому
God damn, you just made the CIA’s wet dream of data ex filtration
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Місяць тому
Trust me, they are already doing it.
@aurorajunior6328
@aurorajunior6328 Місяць тому
@@microcolonel have you seen seytonics video about using a SATA cable to do that
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Місяць тому
@@aurorajunior6328 no but that seems highly doable. IIRC SATA is unshielded and that would make it easier.
@geekswithfeet9137
@geekswithfeet9137 Місяць тому
@@microcolonel I don’t trust anyone that has to say trust me
@zekiz774
@zekiz774 Місяць тому
​@@geekswithfeet9137trust me: you don't trust anyone who starts their argument with "trust me"
@The_Foxx
@The_Foxx Місяць тому
This video terrifies me
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Місяць тому
Me too in an "in complete awe" sort of way, and also because the implications of it are that a large amount of digital hardware can potentially leak data via LoRa packets induced in software and radiated off existing structures in the product. 🤯
@UKsystems
@UKsystems Місяць тому
@@DanielSMatthewsmost commercial products can’t as they are designed around emc requirements
@DanielSMatthews
@DanielSMatthews Місяць тому
@@UKsystems They are designed to pass tests when used as designed, change the code and they are out of spec and Tempest like tricks apply. Same with most of the attacks against air gapped computers, you need to be able to run code on them to get them to behave in unanticipated ways.
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Місяць тому
​@@DanielSMatthews"can" = does
@UKsystems
@UKsystems Місяць тому
@@DanielSMatthews there are also tests for adverse use cases and checking for anything that can be used as an antenna or at least for ukca aprooval
@Cydget
@Cydget Місяць тому
holy shit that's nuts. When you started talking about using reflections to get your desired carrier frequency my brain started expanding. I'm so shocked that you didnt run into any issues with this by nature of your antenna being a wire that was bent. I figured that any little change would greatly effect the outcome of the reflections, but I guess so long as the actual length of the wire is not changing, the reflections should still be there relatively unchanged. Also the idea to just add wireless connectivity to existing devices that we can hack was just brilliant. Lastly throughout the video I was thinking how it would be a cool project to draw vector graphics in the waterfall view like some people do with the xy plot on a scope and the last few seconds I see the outro graphic. Brilliant
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Expanding your brain is what I am here for. I love helping people grow and learn. The outro was something I thought of at the last second.
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff Місяць тому
So maybe for diversity you could put an antenna on multiple pins & transmit sequentially on each one?
@enthdegree
@enthdegree Місяць тому
Phase coherent output pins
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Probably, but would be trickier to figure out how to send the signal.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Місяць тому
This is cool... basically you're bit-banging into the air!!! NICE!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
That's a really good way to put it.
@ceeam
@ceeam Місяць тому
You saw the term "wave-banging" here first.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Місяць тому
@@ceeam NICE!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
@@ceeam gosh I wish that didn't sound as inappropriate.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Місяць тому
Now build 10 element beams for both ends. :) I've blanketed 1/3 of the USA with a 7 mW BPSK LowFER signal from my 30 foot tall antenna with 2 miles of hand-wound 22 gauge wire and a loading coil with 35 pounds of 8 gauge wire wound on a 3 foot diameter Styrofoam core, and I've been called crazy. But you have gone far beyond me. Well done, sir! I salute you! BTW, the most fun I've ever had was doing range tests. I drove 900 miles on I-80 across the USA watching my beacon message play on and on on the computer on the seat beside me. I smiled every inch of the way. Same sort of thing happened with my range tests with Hi-Fi audio sent via a dollar store laser, further and further, 6+ miles of smiling in the cold and dark with rain sprinkling down on me. I think we both know exactly how Marconi felt as his radios worked further, and further, and further.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
The days of Marconi would have been a wild time time to be alive. But yeah, WSPR and other protocols would be pretty cool to explore like this.
@badgermcbadger1968
@badgermcbadger1968 Місяць тому
That laser thing sounds really interesting
@scottdotjazzman
@scottdotjazzman Місяць тому
You realize the FCC prohibits LowFER antennas longer than 49ft, right? (Including the feed line)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
@@scottdotjazzman is the load coil factored into that? It seems strange if it would be because you could just use a higher voltage higher impedance output and no load coil for the same output, right?
@tripplefives1402
@tripplefives1402 Місяць тому
@@CNLohr Yea, but if he is using stock retail radios the output will be fixed 50ohm impedence and if the antenna is too short relative to 1/4 wavelength it will have too much capacitance vs impedance so you add a load coil to give that capacitance some more inductance to resonate into- bringing it closer to 50ohm purely resistive.
@rs232boy
@rs232boy Місяць тому
Huge respect for making such limited hardware spit those radio signals. This is even one step beyond VUSB ! Seems crazy to receive data under the noise floor, but the spreading for measly 3000 bits/s over a big bandwidth 125 kHz is what makes it possible.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Indeed! And those bits are spread so broadly in time.
@utkua
@utkua Місяць тому
The projects excites me the most are things that are cheap and massively adapted, your stuff always hits the mark. This is a great work that enables people, you are a good human we are lucky we have people like you.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Those are definitely the things I find most compelling.
@davidpanic
@davidpanic Місяць тому
What an absolute madlad! And here I am just using cheap LoRa modules to send messages! I definitely got some inspiration from this.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Місяць тому
What cheap. modules? How much are they? I bought an llcc68 module from cdebyte but i think they were defective. I could write to their spi registers and read them back, but could never broadcast (no signal ever showed up on a sdr receiver). Cdebyte world never send me sample code. So i used code from generic modules but either the modules were defective, or the code needed proprietary magic.
@davidpanic
@davidpanic Місяць тому
@@TheRainHarvester They're called "Ra-01 modules" and they go for about 3-4€ from china. I haven't had any issues with them and the range seems pretty good.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Doing it with modules is way better for everyone involved, this was more of a to-see-if-I-can.
@TheRainHarvester
@TheRainHarvester Місяць тому
Lohr-A !
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
How did this never come up!?
@davidwillmore
@davidwillmore Місяць тому
​@@CNLohrI said it to you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
@@davidwillmore I just don't remember or maybe I Was too embarrassed?
@icantseethis
@icantseethis Місяць тому
This bro about to learn why the FCC is a 3-letter agency
@ryshellso526
@ryshellso526 Місяць тому
Lora has already been approved for communication on... go stroke an old boomer HAM operator off...
@ergonomiczero2228
@ergonomiczero2228 12 днів тому
But most of use 4 letter words to describe them
@quadmods
@quadmods Місяць тому
I learned more about LoRa from your video than many other ones. Great useful research. Cheers
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks! I really tried to express the insights I gathered.
@Daniel.W.R.Rehman
@Daniel.W.R.Rehman 11 днів тому
This video inspired me like very few videos do. Not only am I now way more interested in RF transmission and its theory, but now it all makes sense in a way it never has before. Thank you for gifting this beautiful project to the world!!!! You are amazing!
@autonoob
@autonoob Місяць тому
About 3min in and loving the way you bent the pin to see where the antenna plugs in, it probably secures it a bit better aswell. Genius! 👍
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I didn't expect anyone would notice that. I just did it so I could tell where it goes.
@chrisalexthomas
@chrisalexthomas Місяць тому
Wow, this was amazing to watch. You did a fantastic job documenting all of this! Well done!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@runforitman
@runforitman Місяць тому
man LoRa is an insane protocol
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
IKR!
@alphapuggle
@alphapuggle Місяць тому
Great, now devices that I previously thought were completely disconnected from the Internet can leak my data
@VeniceInventors
@VeniceInventors 11 днів тому
I'm not sure what is more impressive, the end result or your persistence to get there. In any case, the two made it a great inspiring video!
@scorch855
@scorch855 Місяць тому
I'm normally quite put off by the thought of spurious emissions, even if they are very low power. But this has completely turned my conception of them on its head! Though I would be lying if I said I didn't spend half the video trying to think how I would filter it. Bravo!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
If the thought of doing this without extra hardware wasn't so central to this video's thesis I would have totally added the filtering.
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 Місяць тому
Literally just need a bandpass filter. There's no other way to do that reliably when you can't bit-bang about the Nyquist frequency.
@applebroz222
@applebroz222 Місяць тому
I rarely ever leave comments on UKposts videos, in fact, this might be the first deliberate comment I've left in YEARS. But I had to because for more than half of the duration of this video I was sat at my desk with my jaw so widely open that it could have almost hit the desk. Thank you for this insanity, and for open sourcing your code - I learned a hell of a lot watching this video, and I'm sure I will learn even more from the repository. Unbelievable, outstanding work.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I'm really glad to have earned that comment then!
@NoOneFPV
@NoOneFPV 17 днів тому
Your results are truly amazing. Bravo!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 15 днів тому
Thanks!
@SebastianLang1998
@SebastianLang1998 Місяць тому
Just one word: impressive! Really well done work - from the crazy idea at the beginning till this video for documentation. I'm fascinated! 🤯
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Glad you liked it, I hope to keep making content like this (even if I am slow at doing it)
@benedekt.5909
@benedekt.5909 Місяць тому
Creative uses of aliasing in sampled systems, under-noisefloor communication and hacking ucs beyond their stated limits are the favourite topics of my supervisor from the university days. I will send him this video. Great work on this, must have been a bumpy ride. Congrats!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
BOY HOWDY WAS IT BUMPY, but it was steady process for all the weeks.
@bearwolffish
@bearwolffish Місяць тому
Very cool, am reminded of an exercise from a wonderful book Make AVR, where the chapter on timers had you code an AM transmitter, by toggling the pins quickly using the compare registers. Love seeing the hype things like Meshtastic, LoRa, HackRF and Flipper Zero are bringing to these types of protocols.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I wish this sort of RF radiation stuff was taught more, like in schools, etc.
@maggieMakesMechs
@maggieMakesMechs Місяць тому
Only 5 minutes in and this energy is so inspirational. Thanks for getting me up and working on my projects (and for what I expect is going to be a great video)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Keep goooing. Just go go go. That's the reason I want to make these videos is to point as an omen what can be done by just keeping on pushing on a problem until it gives way. Even though most of my projects do end up being failures, if you just keep pushing, keep pushing, you will find success.
@adreto2978
@adreto2978 14 днів тому
I just checked out your IDF-Sandbox repo and it’s the best thing ever thanks mate
@nThanksForAllTheFish
@nThanksForAllTheFish Місяць тому
So good to see you back!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Only twice a year or so.
@liammccarthy2651
@liammccarthy2651 Місяць тому
So impressive, I knew this was going to be a wild ride when you said the best square wave frequency you could achieve was 69.420MHz
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I hope it didn't disappoint.
@jrr851
@jrr851 Місяць тому
When I heard that I checked the release date of the video to ensure it wasn't April 1st.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
@@jrr851 I learned my lesson about releasing real but ridiculous videos on April first
@adrianovianawerneck472
@adrianovianawerneck472 Місяць тому
This is the most insane project I have seen lately. By the end of the video I was nutting with the range you manage to achieve just by bit banging the air. You are truly an RF Chad.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I'm glad you watched it all the way though. It's a balance giving away the punchline up front, verses making people wait til the end.
@tanmay______
@tanmay______ Місяць тому
this is just too insane for my brain to comprehend. major props to you sir
@EggCess
@EggCess Місяць тому
This is simultaneously crazy, ingenious, awe-inspiring, insane, impressive and scary. Considering the still rampant lack of security of large parts of the IoT Appliances market, this makes me shudder - *even* if parts aren’t connected (or connectable) to WiFi (or even worse, various WANs). Just wow.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I somehow missed you watching these old videos. Good to see you here too even if it did take me a few months.
@hanmonic
@hanmonic Місяць тому
This is amazing. So glad the algorithm sent me this!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Glad to have you - hope I earned a sub.
@vladimir0rus
@vladimir0rus Місяць тому
Amazing as always! You are inspiring so many engineers, thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you for your comment, too.
@sinitarium
@sinitarium 11 днів тому
INSANE! I will have to replicate it to believe... Amazing video, thank you very much! I learned tons in this video I will have to watch multiple time. Glad I found your channel!
@xmine08
@xmine08 Місяць тому
In recent days the UKposts algorithm has giving me more and more smaller channels that are doing amazing things. You're part of that group, looking forward to more content from you my dude! Also, as a software engineer, RF is absolute black magic to me..
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I am also a software engineer. And I agree it feels like black magic at first, but then you get the hang of it.
@PimpinPoptart06
@PimpinPoptart06 Місяць тому
Unbelievable dude. Well done
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks
@theoldknowledge6778
@theoldknowledge6778 Місяць тому
Dude, you are a wizard!!! Amazing video! Amazing research 👏🏻
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you!
@rallokkcaz
@rallokkcaz Місяць тому
This is such a cool project and video. Thanks for sharing such awesome and insightful content!!!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you for the comment!
@xtalviper
@xtalviper Місяць тому
GPIO pin: "So anyway, I started blasting..."
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Make a meme!
@ryebis
@ryebis Місяць тому
"things that only have a tiny chance of success" time to join the Qowat Milat 🤣 Well done, worked better than I would've expected.
@Dazza_Doo
@Dazza_Doo 8 днів тому
To help you on your journey. Eric Bogatin - There are those who intentionally make antennas, And those who aren't. Rick Hartley - Every trace needs a ground return plane or ground return path. Rise in full-time is what creates the frequency Not the frequency that you request from the micro controller
@GudinVladimir
@GudinVladimir Місяць тому
Wow! Absolutely fantastic video! And so unexpectedly large transmission distance! Thanks a lot for your work!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you for your comment.
@AntonMadness
@AntonMadness Місяць тому
This reminds me of the PiFMplay, which is also magically awesome. It uses an raspberry pi to sent FM radio in to the ether. Just attach a wire to the board on 1/2 labda or something and you're good to go x-D
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
There's so many GPIO projects, I just enjoyed bringing another one to light.
@oscareriksson9414
@oscareriksson9414 Місяць тому
69.420 mhz! Sounds nice...😊
@benzen78
@benzen78 Місяць тому
That's incredible work!! Thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you for the comment
@benroberts127
@benroberts127 Місяць тому
This is an amazing project, LoRa has ingruiged me for some time, but to see this kind of a deep dive into it was very cool. I only wish I had the technical skills to attempt things like this! Very impressive.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I hope this filled in a lot of the spooky unknowns with LoRa.
@garry5280
@garry5280 Місяць тому
I'm guessing it wont pass FCC limits 😂 incredible work.
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Місяць тому
Later in the video he actually makes it have very little extra noise outside of the desire frequency which is interesting
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
make a lil bandpass. a bit of loss is worth the better signal imho.
@lo2740
@lo2740 Місяць тому
@@nobodynoone2500 it will require a SAW filter plus a class C amp to produce a decent RF output (in term of regulations), but i fear the side products of the class C will require one more SAW (not cheap) and still be too problematic, another way would be using the fundamental and a mixer, but the BOM cost will be too high. There is some cheap RF chips with registers access which could be torn to emulate LoRa TX properly (we did that at the time of sigfox in DBPSK), however a radio without RX isnt very useful. Small MCUs are capable of demodulating and decoding a 868/900MHz signal by using their fast ADC, a mixer and a 800KHz IF but again given the low price of an LLCC68 this would probably be a futile exercise (i did that for a mini sigfox basestation few years ago, using an STM32F4).
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
It's such a small amount of power it just might. But a SAW+Class C would be hoppin!
@pedroavex
@pedroavex Місяць тому
Have you checked the RPiTx project? The concept is similar, I have have already played with it to transmit Whisper signals in HF and my signal was spotted thousands of Km away, but of course based on ionospheric refraction. However you could use RPiTx concept to transmit Lora, i think they didn't do it yet.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
There's so many of these all around, and I haven't checked it out. I just don't do much dev with rpi.
@RainDownpours
@RainDownpours Місяць тому
I'd just subscribed from all your past videos that you mentioned here. So many interesting videos!
@RainDownpours
@RainDownpours Місяць тому
OMG! You were the guy who broadcasted NTSC with ESP!!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Indeed... I have a lot of videos on NTSC
@yotacoil
@yotacoil Місяць тому
That is some clever stuff, aliasing all around and using harmonics to get signals out, beautiful
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
It was a lot of fun too!
@jakob5481
@jakob5481 Місяць тому
Next step: make a receiver
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Oof. Too soon.
@nolan412
@nolan412 Місяць тому
Data exfiltration by gpio sounds scary now.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
It's not exacxtly unheard of in the hacking world. There was a rather famous use about 25-30 years ago.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
It is pretty common nowdays, with several different air-gap techniques
@nolan412
@nolan412 Місяць тому
@@CNLohr Now a 1000 meters away. Balloon heights!
@nschurando
@nschurando Місяць тому
Awesome work. Your dedication to pursuing the unlikely is an inspiration.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Inspiration is the goal - get people to realize what they can do if they apply themselves
@brouettebredouille8320
@brouettebredouille8320 2 дні тому
This opens so many opportunities. Thanks dude
@chaemelion
@chaemelion Місяць тому
This scares me. I frequently consider how a state actor might exfiltrate data via compromised hardware/firmware. I had always reassured myself that they would never send it over the wire/air because of the risk that it would be detected with traditional network infrastructure monitoring. I also reassure myself that bit-banging something out over a funtenna to other compromised devices acting as relays would require so many compromised devices that they'd risk being discovered. But I hadn't considered LoRa... The infrastructure already exists, gateways are popping up everywhere, it operates far below the noise floor... Do you have any idea how easy it would be to exfiltrate private keys using malicious firmware or even silicon? A crypto co-processor? Hmm... maybe that thought deserves a PoC...
@landspide
@landspide Місяць тому
I think this is already being used...
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
This tech has been used by state actors for about 40 years. Do with that what you will.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
There's so many other scarier things in the world. Don't worry about this stuff.
@Bp1033
@Bp1033 Місяць тому
Interesting how much of this I already knew from playing with audio. Rf and audio has a lot of overlap.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Місяць тому
It's all wave theory. You will be suprised to see that other energy like light can be approached in a very similar way.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Indeed. There's so many parts of the way our universe work that are all so interconnected.
@bart8P
@bart8P Місяць тому
The most amazing engeering video I've seen the past year. Awesome!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks. My other videos are envious
@ShrirajHegde
@ShrirajHegde Місяць тому
Instant subscribe ! Saw the title and knew this was going to be good
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
We went through a ton of different titles before we finally settled on this one.
@sensorer
@sensorer Місяць тому
Love seeing Nyquist in the wild
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Or not seeing Nyquist in the wild. 🪄🪄🪄
@lambda7652
@lambda7652 Місяць тому
If you have VGA in your laptop you can probably do this without any extra hardware just by showing an image and with some xrandr magic. You could have shared effect that sends Loar
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Місяць тому
You're saying I could broadcast a chip tune of rickroll audio with a legitimate rickroll gif?
@lambda7652
@lambda7652 Місяць тому
@@andrewferguson6901 with the gif working is a bit harder... but search for "tempest for elise"
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I think VGA would be able to do this all incredibly well. But it's been a long time since I messed with it.
@sphelx
@sphelx 15 днів тому
Thanks for this, I never knew that LoRA was actually a *closed* standard/protocol!
@Versette
@Versette Місяць тому
This is absolutely crazy o.O I was thinking about something similar before, but it just stayed as an idea with no plan of how to actually make it And you somehow managed to do it!!! And with such a protocol too.. I wasn't even thinking of LoRa You earned a subscriber)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks! You could totally use my stuff as a basis to get started with taking this even further!
@NoorquackerInd
@NoorquackerInd Місяць тому
This is absolutely scary for IoT, imagine someone hacking into your freaking toaster and making a funtenna open your garage door
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Місяць тому
Ok, you'd have to be a fucking FSB agent to have that happen to you, there are much more psychical and easier ways
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
But I want my garage door to open 8 minutes after my toast pops up...
@ReTrace1
@ReTrace1 Місяць тому
Nice. Thank you for your hard work and proof of operation.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Welcome!
@belesiu
@belesiu 9 днів тому
It's really all about the performance of the receiver. I agree that constraints drives creativity. Being able to generate the LoRa protocol from a simple controller is very, very clever. Also, the emissions from a digital signal is a function of the rise and fall times as well as the period. The sharper the edges, the stronger the harmonics.
@raguaviva
@raguaviva Місяць тому
This is the hack of the decade, awesome video. Thanks for sharing!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@AfeezAbdulAziz
@AfeezAbdulAziz Місяць тому
i subscribed immediately, amazing video.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Glad to have earned your sub.
@MohiFa
@MohiFa Місяць тому
I'm in awe. Thank you!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thank you for watching
@sellicott
@sellicott Місяць тому
Incredible as always!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@mt-qc2qh
@mt-qc2qh Місяць тому
I am completely blown away by you knowledge and methods of engineering. Charles, you are a true wonder or out-of-the box engineering.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Tear down those barriers between disciplines. We weren't meant to live in little boxes.
@theball1
@theball1 Місяць тому
Congratulations, one of the best things I've seen in a while!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@freedtmg16
@freedtmg16 Місяць тому
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Lora is one hell of a protocol, and you are one hell of a hardware hacker!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
thank you
@NicksStuff
@NicksStuff Місяць тому
This is incredible. Absolutely incredible. But now you need to receive the packets!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I'll leave that as an exercise of the viewer.
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 Місяць тому
@@CNLohr /me purchases Mikrotik receiver as seen in video 👨‍🍳💋🤌🤘😁
@KirtikSoni
@KirtikSoni Місяць тому
lmao @@CNLohr
@pwarrow8858
@pwarrow8858 Місяць тому
This is absurd. In a good way. You are inasane. I am properly impressed. Great work !
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@N0FPV
@N0FPV Місяць тому
Phenomenal work!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@initialb123
@initialb123 Місяць тому
nice work & well put together video/upload .
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks!
@syedmohammadsuhaib7464
@syedmohammadsuhaib7464 Місяць тому
Ohh bio at last 😂😂had to wait so long to get to see some of your interesting stuffs
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
bio? What does that mean?
@alelondon23
@alelondon23 Місяць тому
you are a freaking stubborn genius!
@James-wb1iq
@James-wb1iq Місяць тому
Legend.
@scottieburr
@scottieburr Місяць тому
you are a god. I whish I had an attention span as "short" as yours!! :D thanks for the effort you put in.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
It does take some discipline to quiet the more spongy things in our lives, like social media scrolling and YT shorts, but if you reject the petty fluff, it makes it a lot easier for even limited focus to develop. Sadly, I don't know if I'll ever fully recover from what facebook and instagram had done to my brain.
@Spiralnebel_GB
@Spiralnebel_GB Місяць тому
👍😀 Amazing work 👏
@badgerdash
@badgerdash Місяць тому
It's a serious big brain energy here! Subscribed!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Thanks, glad I earned it.
@randomlegodev
@randomlegodev Місяць тому
dude you are freaking incredible :O
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
thanks
@TaiwoHY
@TaiwoHY Місяць тому
I danced a little when UKposts recommended your new video. Dammn!!! You're crazy good. Now i gotta go back to hardware ❤
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
Software or hardware, it doesn't matter which as long as you keep going.
@wpherigo1
@wpherigo1 Місяць тому
Incredible!
@blazehenot2536
@blazehenot2536 Місяць тому
Absolutely amazing stuff as always, here's hoping we eventually get that video on esp32-s2 overclocking. Knowing how cagey Espressif gets about that sort of thing it would be incredibly funny (and hopefully useful!!!) to have a chip running at more than twice the clock of their announced "High Performance" P4 (400MHZ)
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
It may or may not happen. I have to get more LN2. I wasn't able to get a lot of the tests and shots I wanted.
@tnstns4
@tnstns4 Місяць тому
great job!
@ZedaInTech
@ZedaInTech Місяць тому
Amazing!
@Silentragetrolling
@Silentragetrolling Місяць тому
So glad you dropped new content plz.plz plz make more on RF world make a series breaking down everything including buidling setups or flashing processes coding etc.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
I generally only make videos when I do projects and they turn out well. A do typically 5-10 BIG projects per year, some are success some are failures, but I only want to spend the time on the real gems to make a video for them.
@Silentragetrolling
@Silentragetrolling Місяць тому
@@CNLohr thank you for your time and energy spent. I will continue to learn from you salute.
@ChrisPrefect
@ChrisPrefect Місяць тому
LoRa is amazing. We did a range test with TBS Crossfire LoRa TX and RX and managed 23 km with 10mW on a drone.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
10kW on a drone what?
@ChrisPrefect
@ChrisPrefect Місяць тому
@@CNLohr damn, *mW 😅
@ChrisPrefect
@ChrisPrefect Місяць тому
@@CNLohr 100km test ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jXyHq4OKg2upwpc.htmlsi=wzknpe34vWhc4tGc
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Місяць тому
@@ChrisPrefect Whew. That's more like it. I'm surprised there's such a discrepancy. I'm putting out such little power, and yet it still somehow goes pretty far. 10mW is a LOT more power than even my EIRP.
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