How Fast Would Formula 1 Go at the Indy 500?
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День томуThe Indianapolis 500 is one of the most prestigious racing events in the world, where the cars reach over 230 miles per hour and race nose to tail for 200 laps.
But what would happen if you put an F1 car on the grid? Would be able to go quicker?
We’ve done some research to find out.
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Indycars and Formula 1 cars look pretty similar. Both open-wheel formula cars, lots of downforce and both run turbocharged V6 engines. However, there are some pretty big differences.
Indycar is a spec series, meaning that all cars run the same Dallara chassis, the same aero package for each circuit and have the choice of two engines - Honda or Chevrolet. A bit like the Corvette from earlier!
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Whereas, Formula 1 is a constructor championship. The cars are made by the teams, with only some components shared between the teams - like Williams using Mercedes engines and Haas running Ferrari components like the steering wheel.
Indycar run the series like this to save costs for the teams and encourage closer racing, meaning there are very limited opportunities to spend more money and gain an advantage over other teams.
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@Driver61 2 роки тому
What do you think? Would Indy win? Or Formula 1?
@n3ilpentony979 2 роки тому
The fia need to change the rules...cuz look they are trying to implement the tech in road cars too But let's keep road cars in their place and F1 in its place where it belongs (Extremely quick)
@JoJoDo 2 роки тому
Is this a reupload?
@xSniper1982 2 роки тому
@@JoJoDo I was thinking the same thing, I swear I already saw this content in a previous upload.
@sdcraig 2 роки тому
Yep, a re-upload. A few videos got taken down, presumably for copyright infringement.
@JoJoDo 2 роки тому
@@sdcraig i cant remember some shots
@jacksanna86 2 роки тому
"Ovals are incredibly tricky to get right", that's because they only turn left 😂
@ericbarnes6130 2 роки тому
Tell that to Alonso.
@borutgoli840 2 роки тому
or right depends which way you go 😁😁
@tchevrier 2 роки тому
that was hilarious.
@backcountryme 2 роки тому
@Mabel With no power steering.
@pedroferreira3540 2 роки тому
@Mabel no one said it was easy lol, why are you so salty? 🤦🏻♂️
@henkjacobs2164 2 роки тому
Well, I say it again, maybe Red Bull should test it as they love their marketing! Great vid btw
@liambermoy2688 2 роки тому
But they don’t have an indycar sponsor right? Maybe Mclaren should do it?
@mrbungle3310 2 роки тому
Or Mclaren,they have both chategories
@matthew-jy5jp 2 роки тому
Why ? So they can be over rated in two different Motorsports ?
@wowthatsalottabees 2 роки тому
@@matthew-jy5jp ok man no need to be salty
@TheTotallyRealXiJinping 2 роки тому
That’ll go about as well as their stint in NASCAR.
@uweclaunitzer7170 2 роки тому
You missed an important point here: F1 engines are NOT designed to run on an oval. You would need special lubrication systems to deal with the asymmetric loading. Just ask Ilmor - when F1 returned to the Indy road circuit in 2000, Hakkinens engine failed due to those unique stresses on the banked part of the circuit.
@WillowCreative Рік тому
Actually sometimes f1 teams create special assymetrical cars for certain biased circuits (such as asymmetrical cooling and chassis aerodynamic shapes)
@jeffrielly 11 місяців тому
"Returned to the indianapolis road circuit"????? That was the first time they ran on that track!
@ttt69420 9 місяців тому
I don’t think the loads are much different. The banking relieves a lot of lateral g’s and no one else seemed to have an issue with it. I’d take who or what teams blame for failure with a grain of salt.
@Apple_Beshy 8 місяців тому
f1 will beat indycar easily on a normal track, f1 is design to perfection when cornering, and there's already f1 vs indycar in official race and every f1 won 1.6 secs ahead
@kevingill648 8 місяців тому
Exactly!
@petebeatminister Рік тому
I think the top speed issue could be solved, by some modifications to the airodynamics and gearbox. But I have doubts that the engines could survive 800 km of running full throttle almost permanently.
@piaskowski590 Рік тому
You can tune down the engine and restrict the max RPM. Indy car is nowhere near the power F1 car generates.
@petebeatminister Рік тому
@@piaskowski590 I dont know what they use today, but Indycars had also 800 bhp. Reducing RPM in a F1 engine will also reduce its power a lot, and then its probably not fast enough anymore. F1 engines are just not designed to run full throttle for a long time. Even at some F1 tracks with long straights they are struggling with overheating. A large oval, where you can basically floor it the entire race, would be deadly for them I guess. But for a few laps they can reach the Indycar speed averages.
@piaskowski590 Рік тому
@@petebeatminister F1 has 1000+hp and engine can be tuned to replace most of the power to different RPM. F1 have also very low torque and all the power comes very late. With proper tuning and aero pack, F1 wouldnt even need to go full throttle on oval to outrun IndyCar. Its just budget and technology difference.
@orianlhyretail9878 Рік тому
@@piaskowski590 It's not just the engine. The whole suspension would have to be modified to handle the high speed turns. Higher grip.
@Kylora2112 Рік тому
Yeah, American series are designed for 300 (for circuits and short ovals) to 500 (speedways) miles, while F1 is only going 200. Three different series going for 3 different things, and all great series :) You'd have to severely restrict an F1 or Indy car to safely go around a track like Talladega (2.67 mile tri-oval with 33º banked corners). Not because the cars couldn't handle it, but because the *drivers* would black out from taking the corners at 250+ MPH. I'd love to see F1 or Indy at Bristol, though =D (half-mile oval, 36º banked corners).
@backcountryme 2 роки тому
A quick summation of this video. An F1 car could compete at Indy if it was modded to be an Indycar.
@gerhardaryawardana72 2 роки тому
An F1 car could compete/beat Indycars at Indy if it was tuned to fit the oval speedway it's going to race in. FTFY. It will still not be an Indycar since it would still not use the aero tunnel and several other tricks that Indycars have that are illegal in current F1 regs, on top of using a different chassis, PU, etc. entirely.
@backcountryme 2 роки тому
@@gerhardaryawardana72 the video even said that the F1 car would need different suspension. So the F1 car would need a complete different design. Like I said, if the F1 car was modded to be an Indy car.
@Ceece20 2 роки тому
@@backcountryme you would also want to get rid of the entire hybrid package. It’s basically dead weight and would result in Indy cars having a distinct horsepower advantage.
@Markus-zb5zd 2 роки тому
@@backcountryme yeah but F1 can go way above the indycar speccs.
@gregoryhopkins2489 2 роки тому
To make things even Give some extra buffed horses to the Indy car
@jasondeal7364 2 роки тому
Hamilton driving an Indy car: "My tires are gone"
@BigMattXXL 2 роки тому
*Hamilton takes the lead a lap later
@Kyle86910 2 роки тому
Hamilton in indycar -" These drivers are too quick, Make a political statement so they feel bad and let me catch up"
@Blafard666 2 роки тому
@@Kyle86910 The joke being Indy car drivers being "too quick" XD
@daffyduck3003 2 роки тому
Hamilton: Bono my tires are dead! Bono: Stay out. stay out Hamilton: Ive used these tires for 20 laps. Why you keeping them on? Bono: Were gonna check. Bono after the finish line: GET IN THERE LEWIS
@manojlds 2 роки тому
My right (turns) are gone.
@btbarr16 Рік тому
I remember when Alonso raced at Indy, Daniel Riccardo was asked if he would ever do it, and his answer surprised me. He said, "ahh maybe Daytona one day, but Indy scares me."
@feastmode7931 Рік тому
this sorta proves that people who talk trash about oval racing just don't have the imagination or insight to understand how thrilling it is, for fans and for drivers. it is an all-out brawl at hyperspeed. the stakes are insane. you need nerves of steel and immense reaction time. much respect to Ricciardo for his honest reply lol
@kg0173 Рік тому
@@feastmode7931 Daytona in and IndyCar would be scarier. The track is bumpier. Indy has the smoothest surface in the world.
@feastmode7931 Рік тому
@@kg0173 -- good point. the banking + speed there in open-wheel cars is quite insane.
@gogreen_0 8 місяців тому
@@feastmode7931stakes are insane? Since when did turning left for 200 laps become insane? lol
@feastmode7931 8 місяців тому
@@gogreen_0 -- "tUrNiNg LeFt" yeah man, driving 200 mph inches away from your competitors on a track that's banked steeper than a black-diamond ski slope... totally low stakes it's a sport where one bad step of the gas pedal could cause a fatal crash, but yeah, tell me more about how it's low stakes!
@bbarker5766 2 роки тому
Loved the detail your went into! I knew there was differences but never knew there was so many or how some were so drastically different. Thanks for doing this!
@javiazar 2 роки тому
This is either a re-upload or I'm having the biggest dejavu of my life.
@x3MrV 2 роки тому
same here
@toptextbottomtext3062 2 роки тому
DEJA VU I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE HIGHER ON THE STREET AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO CALLING YOU AND THE SEARCH IS A MYSTERY STANDING ON MY FEET IT'S SO HARD WHEN I TRY TO BE ME WOOOOOOAH
@mclarenjohnf1 2 роки тому
Ditto
@CydonianErazed 2 роки тому
Same
@piccoloatburgerking 2 роки тому
Oh thank fuck i'm not the only one! As i was watching this i kept getting this uneasy deja vu feeling like i've heard and seen all these things before in exactly that order in this very channel. This is most likely a re-upload with a different title. The previous one i think was called something like "How fast f1 would be at an oval" or something like that.
@NicJohnson 2 роки тому
Those iPad drawing segments were actually impressive. Typically the whole segment is animated together including the hand to look like someone is drawing in realtime, but it's all part of the animation. The drawing segments in this video all seem authentic. Which if so, wow. That's a commendable amount of effort. 🙇♀️
@High_Caliber 2 роки тому
Somebody has some graphic talent at Driver61 that's for sure :)
@baksatibi 2 роки тому
They are. They use the Concepts app.
@zakpodo Рік тому
Definitely real Based on things like reflections, shadows and glares.
@antonioallen1763 Рік тому
Both types of cars are gorgeous machines that are designed for two different types of tracks. And the speed they both can go is astounding! It is great to hear how and why each are designed. Fascinating.
@indyrpm4951 11 місяців тому
Wasn’t expecting much but you did a nice job on the video. I am the Crew Chief for the current Indianapolis 500 all time track record holder. (Luyendyk 1996 239.26 mph unofficial, 237.498 mph official) The record has stood now for 27 years. One of the things that is not talked about is the experience at running at this track. No formula 1 team has the experience to “just” make it happen. Our track records were a compilation between myself and my engineer of 36 years of experience at the Indy 500. We developed some “secret stuff” over many years, and it all came together that day of qualifying. It would be very hard for any Formula 1 engineers to make any car go fast at Indy without the experience. And a quick note, maybe not 300mph, but on our 239 mph lap, a Little know fact is we broke 250 miles per hour on that lap going into turn 3 on the PI data…..250.216 to be exact. Won’t see that for a while again.
@paulwebsterjr1280 11 місяців тому
Here to say r.i.p your teams record in practice lol. Good luck this year I'll be in turn 3 with the peasants. First time coming ever!
@lewisbenston5362 11 місяців тому
Thank you, this is very interesting and insightful.
@richardtree6645 11 місяців тому
You mean to tell me that an f1 team that has to take time to design, develop, test and produce a car suited to a particular driver, then race that car with differing set ups for 69 differing configurations of track design with differing weather conditions all over the world. Wouldn't be able to figure out how to make a car go fast around a circle for 500 laps, is that what you are saying here?
@indyrpm4951 11 місяців тому
@@richardtree6645 I’m not saying there isn’t a lot of brilliant engineers in F1, but they only do one thing…road courses. They use a basic setup that repeats at each track. An oval setup is a completely different monster. It takes time to develop and learn as many things do not behave as engineering would suggest because the race car setup starts so out of balance from the start. We did many road courses in Indycar and they were pretty easy setups. (My cars have won 7 road courses) Indy is a complete different monster. If you want a reference point, look at Porches indycar in 1990, they came to Indy with a budget three times bigger then Penske, more brilliant design and development engineers then the series had ever seen in one place, and they qualified 2 cars at 10th and 21st, finishing 18th and 23rd. They also though it was easy to come in and dominate. They quit Indycar after that.
@plsdonttttt 11 місяців тому
does the name walter röhrl and pikes peak ring a bell? I bet a F1 team would indeed just make it happen. on the other hand you americans are good at going straight and fast
@matthiasice 2 роки тому
F1 at Indianapolis brings up bad memories. As a kid, I remember trying to watch that race with my Dad and it turned into a 6 car sham of a race.
@NneonNTJ 2 роки тому
So it wasn't F1, so what was it instead?
@Markus-zb5zd 2 роки тому
well, better only 6 cars than more accidents
@matthiasice 2 роки тому
@@Markus-zb5zd I agree, but the FIA's stubbornness about adding a chicane to slow cars down and the way they handled it was just a mess. It sucked to watch and I can't imagine what it was like to be there watching it in person having spent your hard earned money to be there
@Markus-zb5zd 2 роки тому
@@matthiasice yeah but I don't blame the FIA raceday managment there,... you can't just change parts of the tracks without going through a lengthy reevalution process. I think the fact that michelin did not have the chance to test anything on the resurfaced track was the biggest problem,... once raceday was there,... there were no good options.
@matthiasice 2 роки тому
@@Markus-zb5zd yeah, I get that. That was their argument at the time too. Either way, it was a debacle and was not a good look for F1
@josephstott4951 2 роки тому
I swear I’ve seen this before
@harbushy 2 роки тому
Maybe a re- upload
@Twobarpsi 2 роки тому
Same
@jefflinjesuthas6103 2 роки тому
It's a re-upload because of copyright in the original
@tis_ace 2 роки тому
Thank god because i thought i lost it
@Cygnus82 2 роки тому
I thought I also saw a glitch in the Matrix. Glad it wasn't just me.
@Gk2003m 2 роки тому
Great vid. I’ve always wondered how this would go. You’ve provided a fairly comprehensive presentation. Thanks!
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Рік тому
That was a fun, theoretical analysis. On the point of the formula one tires being larger and I have to say that it it's not that simple. They couldn't use the tires that they normally do because they wouldn't last on the oval. Remember when they ran the F1 Grand Prix on half of the oval and the tires blew up? So to run an F1 car there we would need different tires, maybe the same ones that Indie cars use.
@maddoctor99 2 роки тому
It’s old news now but I still shake my head in amazement every time I’m reminded of the fact that the current generation of F1 engines can wring over 1000hp from a 1.6L engine. Just amazing.
@Xaluber 2 роки тому
In the ‘80s F1 cars were making 1200+ hp from 1.5L engines with no hybrid nonsense.
@edgardoestares9891 2 роки тому
@@Xaluber Controlled explosion. Honda even said that they were getting closer to getting 1 hp per cc. Those engines wouldn't stand a chance to todays technology though. Cars are faster and are so reliable. They hardly breakdown.
@adamcichon6957 2 роки тому
@@Xaluber yeah... but they ware a "one stint engines" you know ;) at the time they mount a qualification grade tyres and engine and the end of quali session that engine was all gone, toasted...
@miguelgonzalez5964 2 роки тому
Keep in mind that a F1 car at Indy will have less than half the wing surfaces it needs for road courses, as it won't need to turn so tight and at Indy speeds much smaller wings will produce the necessary downforce. The result is a F1 car much faster in a straightaway than it is even with DRS.
@masonwilliamson5388 Рік тому
yes, but the engine would blow up quite quickly. it’s not used to being redlined for 45 minutes straight
@brucemackenzie4952 Рік тому
F1 would engineer a car that would leave an Indycar in the dust. Apples and oranges. Not taking anything away from Indycars but not in the same league as an F1 car.
@TheSnivilous Рік тому
@@brucemackenzie4952 that's the stupidest comment I've read. "F1 would engineer a car", so you're admitting that a current F1 can't compete with an Indy car on an oval. They're each best at what they do, I don't know why you have to suck off F1 so much.
@WebShaman01 Рік тому
@@brucemackenzie4952 "Would engineer..." Yadda yadda yadda. No, you get F1 as it is right now vs the IndyCar. That's it.
@caelestigladii Рік тому
@@WebShaman01 F1 as it is right now adjusts everything according to track. So…
@StephensonRaceTech 2 роки тому
As a former indycar mechanic, great job on the video!
@harpoon_bakery162 Рік тому
This is amazing. Great job. I love IndyCar and F1 , both these series are awesome.
@gordonhamilton727 2 роки тому
They limit the top speed of Indycars to protect the tyres. The faster a wheel/tyre is spun the more it wants to tear itself apart. Mario Andretti once said to run at 260+ would substantially increase the risk of driver fatality.
@cdjhyoung 2 роки тому
Mario's statement was not limited to tire wear. There is also the more important fact that those levels of increased speed increase the dynamics of what an error and resulting impact with the wall will do to destroying the car, and driver. As speeds increase, the forces involved increase by the square value of those increases, not a mere linear increase. So a 30 mph increase in speed that is a 13% increase translates to a 169% increase of force when contacting any stationary object.
@lucasng4712 2 роки тому
@@cdjhyoung Not how percentages works. Not how force works. It translates to about 27% increase in energy
@cdjhyoung 2 роки тому
@@lucasng4712 The trouble with doing math calculation in your head as you are also typing. You are, of course, correct.
@michaeleverson3801 2 роки тому
You have to remember that an F1 car would probably need to have its monocoque and crash structures beefed-up, which would add weight. After studying various accidents over the last few years, like the ones suffered by James Hinchcliffe and Sebastien Bourdais at Indy, additional protection has been added to the cockpit sides to protect the drivers (Hinch was impaled through the thigh by his own suspension and nearly bled out). This adds a decent amount of weight in addition to the full windscreen. Without that, I'm not sure you'd find many F1 drivers who would want to trim out an F1 car and run it around Indy during qualy.
@vitoorsini1 2 роки тому
best comment so far, this cars are si different in their structure that ia almost impossible predict. I respect both series as they are the pinnacle of motorracing as a whole.
@davidritter8267 2 роки тому
There are a handful of ex-formula-1 drivers in the series currently. Romain Grosjean just signed with Andretti for next season
@Ken-ss1en 2 роки тому
@@davidritter8267 I'm convinced that Grosjean is either malicious or drives drunk!
@yeoldeyoungin9745 Рік тому
@@davidritter8267 Grossjean is building quite the reputation of ticking other Indy drivers off with his crashes…he had the same issue in F1 it seems
@yeoldeyoungin9745 Рік тому
@@davidritter8267 There ARE a handful of ex-F1 drivers but statistically it has NOT given them an edge over Indy-raised colleagues. An F1 fan who doesn’t understand Indy may point out ‘driver x won these races, you see F1 drivers dominate everywhere they go!’ And I’m sure that this ignorance makes them quite happy, but followers of Indy know better and one of the main differences between the series is that you NEVER KNOW who will be on the podium each and every race whereas it’s a foregone conclusion that unless something happens, the top 3 are fairly predictable in differing orders.
@graememay5983 Рік тому
Not sure what the Dallara runs now, but the Reynard and the Lola days we had adjustable diff pressure from the cockpit, roll bars etc adjustable from the cockpit (Lola had hydraulic ARB), the wings also had the quick turn adjusters that F1 copied after a few years. This was all to be able to keep the car stable as the fuel load changed (Methanol = uses twice as much as petroleum) and the tyre wear (brutal on say Daytona or at the Brickyard. As for the suspension, they have a separate set for Long Ovals, Short Ovals and Road Course.
@mechanicallycreative9788 2 роки тому
I did the HVAC at Ilmor engineering for 6 years. Listening to Indy engines on their dynos all day was great.
@a_doggo 2 роки тому
Weird, didn't I watch this video already? Was it re-published? It's a great video, totally happy to watch it again. :)
@Nascimbeni 2 роки тому
Same here... I was with some Deja Vu feeling... There were a video last week regarding F1 Tires also, that I'm pretty sure I have seen before here... but for some reason the videos are gone
@ItMeansSun 2 роки тому
Not sure this is addressed in the description or not but I assume there's a correction that was made? Can't figure out what it is though
@yoshibald8958 2 роки тому
thought the same i searched for the vid but couldn’t find it I think it’s reuploaded or som
@Ibyuuprofin 2 роки тому
it was republished bc f1 took it down
@amklux1426 2 роки тому
Yeah I have seen this video before.
@bricefleckenstein9666 2 роки тому
There was a time when the Indianapolis 500 WAS COUNTED as a Formula I race - but very few actual Formula I cars ever made the trip over from Europe. Reference Jimmy Clarke, and the "Race of Two Worlds" as a few of the cases of F1 cars and drivers competing vs Indy Cars. Also, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway was the host for the US Grand Prix for a few years, though they build an add-on to the track to do so - it wasn't the standard Indy semi-oval track.
@user-ce7yo2vn2b 5 місяців тому
I’ve had the pleasure of attending both F1 and INDYCAR races starting in the late 70’s. I enjoy both series for the differences. One for the unbelievable technology the other for the competitiveness. Too many talented drivers are never able to shine in F1 given the lack of competitive drives available. INDYCAR addresses that issue and it shows. Driver’s may start on the front row one week and the next be twelfth on the grid. I enjoy both series
@drumline17 Рік тому
What people who only watch F1 don't seem to realize is that oval racing is about racing other drivers rather than racing a perfect racing line. Your line changes every single lap when you're surrounded by half a dozen other drivers. It still takes an immense amount of skill
@Lucalegenda Рік тому
Imagine doing that in a real circuit like an f1 driver...
@drumline17 Рік тому
@@Lucalegenda Plenty of open wheel drivers have switched to nascar and haven't been anything special, I don't have to imagine anything
@Lucalegenda Рік тому
@@drumline17 In their prime? LoL
@msnovtue 2 роки тому
FWIW, I'm a longtime Indy resident & racing fan. In 2004, I ended up working as a flagger (marshal) for that year's US GP on the Indy road course. In Friday practice, Schumacher was hitting 250+ mph down the front straight. I know a lot has changed since then in both F1 & Indycar, but thought the info might be of interest to some.
@indyguy5570 2 роки тому
That is odd since the fastest recorded F1 top speed on a racetrack is 231.4 mph, there are some reports Bottas hit 234 in 2016 but that has not been confirmed. I also live in Indy and right next to the track and have driven stock cars at full speed (well 185 speed limited being honest) around the track and it is crazy knowing Indy and F1 cars are running 40 to 50 mph faster with an open cockpit. F1 cars are just not designed to run high top speeds with the downforce they require to handle the sharp turns and accelerate like they do. Besides, F1 would have to have an engine that could last at those revs for 3 hours or more, not just 45 minutes and 60 or 70 laps. Indy engines are designed to do just that so us comparing them without modding them (which then no longer makes them an F1 or Indy car) is a moot ~ fixed for the grammer police) point.
@amjan 2 роки тому
Lol, nonsense. You confused mph with kph.
@F8Tributo 2 роки тому
@@indyguy5570 A "moot" point.
@OhOhDaniel 2 роки тому
That’s just simply not true though…
@williamskrainski8407 2 роки тому
BULLSHIT
@High_Caliber 2 роки тому
I really like the drawing descriptors. I actually didn't really know the differences between indy and F1, and never thought to look it up. As always, your content is fantastic.
@jimpawloski3069 2 роки тому
I liked you explanation of the difference between F1 and Indy cars. Remember that back in the early 1960’s, Lotus worked with Ford Motor to develop the rear engine race car.
@johnyurkovich Рік тому
Amazing video. Love how you discuss how complicated an oval race can be. To me being a fan of Motorsport. Each one takes a special kind of driver and crew to master. Makes having a variety of Motorsport to watch fun.
@tomm.6265 11 місяців тому
Thats why Mario Andretti is the greatest driver ever it didn't matter if it was Formula One, Indy or Daytona in stock cars the only man to every win in all 3 he was a favorite to in any race he was in on any circuit
@guenterhaines8898 Рік тому
That was fantastic! Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
@HB-C_U_L8R 2 роки тому
F1 did go to the Indy 500. From 1950-1960 the Indy 500 was part of the World Driver's Championship (old name for Formula 1 World Championship).
@backcountryme 2 роки тому
Back then the F1 cars were too slow to be competitive against the Indy cars at the time. A match race was staged at Monza back then, and the Indy Roadsters that came over absolutely destroyed the F1 cars of the time.
@randallpickering9944 2 роки тому
A good video done fairly & accurately. We'll all on the same team: Indy, F-1, IMSA, NASCAR, Saturday night track, ...
@goodshipkaraboudjan 11 місяців тому
I think there is a bit more freedom of aero set up in Indycar now with teams running different elements and such. Indycar is criminally underrated. Followed F1 for 30 years and I have to say - Indycar is the most entertaining racing on earth.
@mo0kthechef 7 місяців тому
Driver61 answering the questions we didn't know needed asking! Great video again.
@Yellow-dx8uk 2 роки тому
Idk if you read comments but I’ve been loving the content even more recently. Keep up the good work!
@BrianSmith-ct3kh 2 роки тому
To be clear: IndyCar aero does offer a variety of wickers and wing extensions that teams can use to tune setups so there is some variability in aero configurations from car to car.
@CinemaDemocratica Рік тому
This is a sneaky-excellent video, my goodness: It's not just the content, which is gob-smacking, but also the construction of the narrative. Really tight, really well crafted. When it was over I was surprised that it only ran nine minutes but that's a compliment -- seemed impossible that I could have smoothly gotten this much technical information out of an understandable video in that amount of time. Bravo.
@yhsudjdcyv6929 Рік тому
He got the point wrong
@PhilipPieterse1 2 роки тому
Great presentation! Inforative and really well done!! 👍🏻😃
@shoominati23 2 роки тому
Indy cars while ostensibly appearing similar to an F1, are really a different beast, as they have to be able to survive a reasonable 'friendly' punt into a superspeedway wall and live to get back to the pits - while if the same thing happened to an F1, it would end in shower of carbon fibre and titanium confetti
@LuisFernando-lj5tw 2 роки тому
indy is like a clas 2 category of F1. they are like f1 cars from 90s. suspension jump a lot giving sensation of speed. make me remember airton sena. F1 run so smoth that seams they are going slow
@electricowl3034 2 роки тому
Maybe you should watch f1 and see how much pressure the cars are under compared to Indy 500 cars. Not an argument just a friendly idea :)
@lucasng4712 2 роки тому
@@electricowl3034 Indy cars while ostensibly appearing similar to an F1, are really a different beast, as they have to be able to survive a reasonable 'friendly' punt into a superspeedway wall and live to get back to the pits - while if the same thing happened to an F1, it would end in shower of carbon fibre and titanium confetti
@josebrown5961 2 роки тому
Remember the one time Nigel Mansel won the F1 title and then came to the US and won the Indy Car title? Two different beasts and he tamed them BOTH. Then he got bored with Indycar (I assume) and went back to F1.
@yeoldeyoungin9745 Рік тому
@@josebrown5961 Well he is a champion after all…of motorsports as a whole…not just F1. Fernando is the same kind of animal and Seb has talked of racing the Indy500…I think he should take some Time off from that green tractor of his and go on a Motorsport vacation…come back to F1 sometime later refreshed…maybe with a Triple Crown on his head wouldn’t that he something. He’s talked of racing the 500 before AND LeMans
@Anthraxicus 2 роки тому
Thanks, that was a great analysis and very educational as well!
@ivank3927 2 роки тому
At 5:46 it's not the steering offset, it's due to the tire stagger - for superspeedways Indycars have right-side tires larger in diameter than left-side tires. If the pilot will keep the steering wheel straight, the car will intend to turn left.
@ryans756 Рік тому
Pilot? Indy cars can fly?!
@falinestixiaolong9691 Рік тому
@@ryans756 "Pilot" = "race driver" in many european languages. Hell , it's even used for mountain bikers.
@ryans756 Рік тому
@@falinestixiaolong9691 Don't give me that shit.
@talbotdorr682 2 роки тому
Holy shit, I just now realized that when I was at the Indy 500 from 200-2010 I saw F1 drivers in person and had no idea! As a new fan to F1 I’m just now learning all the lesser known drivers but I remember hearing the name Schumacher when I was younger in the grand stands. Now I know that I saw the king himself race. Just wish I knew it at the time
@FastFerrari82 2 роки тому
I like Formula 1 for its ability to throw money at a problem and figure it out, however I like that IndyCar make drivers work harder on basically the same machines. Apples to oranges, but its all racing, and that why we love it.
@gogreen_0 8 місяців тому
They work harder? But there's no right turns.. there's no tight corners... in fact they only turn left 😭
@FastFerrari82 8 місяців тому
@gogreen_0 You're thinking of NASCAR. I said IndyCar. Look it up. They race on circuits and ovals.
@damianparker4097 27 днів тому
@@FastFerrari82 "You're thinking of NASCAR. I said IndyCar. Look it up. They race on circuits and ovals." So does NASCAR. Anyway, people like @gogreen_0 who think "only turn left" means it's not a skillful endeavor are idiots. EVERYONE at the top of a major racing series works hard--especially series that aren't endurance races but have LONG races nonetheless.
@NewbombTurk. 2 роки тому
The better question would be "Could an F1 team succeed on a Indy Car teams budget?"........lol.
@dougball328 2 роки тому
They couldn't even get out of their own garage on an IRL budget.
@fighterck6241 2 роки тому
McLaren is literally in Indycar right now.
@NewbombTurk. 2 роки тому
@@fighterck6241 I didn't say operate in Indy Car, on a Indy Car budget. Have the F1 teams, in F1, operate on a Indy Car budget. A lot of the cost reduction is in the spec chassis and engines. It might be McLaren, but they are bound by the same rules as the rest of the teams.
@MPal24 2 роки тому
@@NewbombTurk. Well, if everyone in F1 was in the same boat, then yes, definitely. Obviously, one F1 team couldn't survive on an IndyCar budget if another was still spending 100s of millions. As was said, the principal cost reduction is from Indy being a spec series. I'd be interested to know if IndyCar budgets would ever get as high as F1 if it had the same build your own chassis and build/source your own engine rule.
@kirtanmehta4274 2 роки тому
yes it can. F1 teams have best engineers working on the cars for years. Also, they update car regulations and designs every 2-3 years.
@ConnerSpeed6 Рік тому
What a fantastic and detailed video!!! Nice work, mate
@pietpietersen653 2 роки тому
German, Japanese and British engineers vs. Bob and Bud with their screwdriver.
@zakpodo Рік тому
Pretty impressive for a couple of hillbillies with screwdrivers and a fraction of the budget.
@JLchevz 2 роки тому
F1 cars are just on another level, but Indy is still insane
@HayBale10 2 роки тому
I think the engines would just overheat
@AndyFromBeaverton 2 роки тому
Good point. Having an engine running at top rpm's for 3 hours straight needs special designs.
@ItMeansSun 2 роки тому
Didn't even think of that, good point
@UncleKennysPlace 2 роки тому
I don't. They'd make minor adjustments. Heck, the engines are at full chat 80% of the time anyway.
@alfarosiarsita 2 роки тому
Lower rpm, higher gear ratio will fix that
@beemrmem3 2 роки тому
No, they would have so much air at the those speeds to cool the engines, it would be easier to cool with a few adjustments
@1CharlieM 2 роки тому
Would be great to see this reviewed again with the 2022 F1 spec!
@edinva1 2 роки тому
This was a terrific analysis. thank you.
@a_r_u_n7595 2 роки тому
I appreciate that you also mentioned the speed in metric system
@syndicategaming1668 2 роки тому
I wish everyone used the metric system. It’s much better
@frankpienkosky5688 2 роки тому
@@syndicategaming1668 no argument there...yet it's never caught in over here....
@EdMcF1 10 місяців тому
Around 2000, Champ Cars raced on the F1 circuit in Montreal the year after the engines were turned down to prevent speeds getting out of hand. Dario Franchitti said if they'd brought the previous year's Champ Car they'd have made F1 look pretty embarrassed.
@Polla9203 5 місяців тому
lol
@paintballphil 2 роки тому
I appreciate the video, it was well thought out and put together. Clearly very knowledgeable and well explained. I do have issue with the what F1 could do "if"... That is far from the question of what is. You could always give Indy cars the opportunity to adjust for F1 rules, what then? Put the 2 on the race course, who wins with their respective rules?
@TunjungUtomo 2 роки тому
I think he implies that F1 teams are more likely to be able to adjust themselves to any rule because they're generally more wealthy than average Indycar teams
@amjan 2 роки тому
Indeed, that's silly. Everybody could beat anybody if they chose to adjust.
@JAlexandrG 2 роки тому
I'm an F1 fan who has never watched Indycars, but those Indycar races look wild and exciting as hell.
@JacobStevens13 2 роки тому
It has it's moments but they could make the series much more appealing. Only the diehards of the diehard race fans i know pay attention to it at all....however the best pure racing that i have probably ever seen in my life was the 2015 MavTv 500 from California, that race from start to finish is balls to the walls.
@mamavswild Рік тому
@@JacobStevens13 That’s not true I know tons of people that follow the series , and only a few that could be called ‘diehard’. I loosely follow along and I have to say I’ve been enthralled every time I’ve watch a race, although mostly I stick to F1 (for now, that could be changing as Indy pricks my attention)
@DarthJF 2 роки тому
It would be pretty interesting to see one American F1 race on an oval track and how well the F1 cars teams could adapt to race on it.
@shadowmancy9183 2 роки тому
Of all available tracks, Indy might be the best fit, due to the lower banking. Daytona or Talledega would be more fun to watch though.
@edwardking9359 Рік тому
Pretty sure the drivers would get bored, doing four identical turns for 200 laps
@LeongGunners 11 місяців тому
None of the front running team would willingly want this. The F1 cars are just not designed for the oval that it'd ruin their car's overall reliability significantly over the course of the season. If this is forced on the F1 cars, I believe what we'd see is a race of dialed down performances, and probably then people will say after the race that F1 cars are proven worse than Indycars.
@harveyknguyen 10 місяців тому
@@edwardking9359 nah bc they'd have to figure out how to do pack racing without any contact since it's gonna be inevitable that there will be a big one
@OyamaBinLovin 11 місяців тому
Best video on this topic I have seen. Kudos.
@upsidedowndog1256 2 роки тому
I would love to see a pre-hybrid F1 car run the Indy 500!
@timonbubnic322 Рік тому
the early 00s V10s man🤩🤩
@upsidedowndog1256 Рік тому
@@timonbubnic322yes the good cars
@brikshoe6259 2 роки тому
You forgot the most important element of all: survivability. The chassis of an F1 car is not designed to deal with the enormous impacts of hitting the wall at Indy at 230+ mph.
@chaztitan6457 2 роки тому
The impact isn't straight on at 230mph. F1 often can hit walla as worse angles than indicators, even at slower speeds the impacts are often worse
@theerarkh 2 роки тому
Romain Grosjean called from Bahrain, asked to hold his beer
@jeffreytackett3922 2 роки тому
I'd be curious what car could deal with a 230+ mph wall impact?
@losingmysanity1 2 роки тому
@@jeffreytackett3922 Sebastian Bordais Qualifying crash & James Hinchcliffe Practice crash
@zacharysmithingell5460 2 роки тому
This is absolutely true.
@aidanodonnell2490 2 роки тому
What I find most extraordinary is the enormous technical sophistication of these machines, using every possible advantage of physics and engineering to get milliseconds of improvements.
@zTheBigFishz Рік тому
"As is" an IndyCar would smoke an F1 car on an oval. The down force, hp, etc are not the issue, the issue is the set-up: weight jackers, steering mods, and left turn only camber settings; those things are massively important to lap times on any oval. This is before talking about the experience advantage the IndyCar guys would have on oval driving techniques.
@b0ricko 6 місяців тому
This was top notch presentation. Thanks. Keep rollin.
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 2 роки тому
Next year ground effect will finally be making a return to F1 in some way at least.
@dylanhale7300 2 роки тому
Back in the day, the indy 500 was on the F1 calendar as a non points paying invite only race. Also you forgot a few things... -Indycars hit 240MPH on their 550 horsepower setup at indy. However they also used to have push to pass, which allowed for 30 seconds worth of max boost pressure. Basically 30 seconds of 700+ horsepower on demand. Alternatively they could just take the restrictions off and let them run 700 horsepower all the time. 260+MPH in the draft. In the 90's, indycar where hitting 250 MPH in qualifying with no aero tunnels and very little downforce. How? Big ass turbochargers and big ass motors. 90's CART motor in a modern Indycar chassis with a modern gearbox would wipe the floor with F1 on a oval, and probably give them a run for them only on a road course too!
@DonLee1980 Рік тому
I think one issue that you could have mentioned is race pace. In Monza spec, cars can hit nearly 350kph, but cars from behind slip streaming can go 360+ easily. Another issue is fuel. Not only do Indy cars use about 1/3 more fuel per lap, they have less power as well, which will be a factor in the race. Indy cars have to come in to refuel within 35 laps, where as a F1 car with a full tank of fuel will easily last over an hour, and do about 100 laps. Sure it makes no sense to do a 100lap stint on the same tires, but given how much downforce F1 cars have, a set of hard tires should last pretty well.
@brenocostateixeira Рік тому
Got in game Indy 500, in Amiga 500, 401 Km/H (249,17 miles/ H). I was a master in balance and tires, the angle of the tires, etc...
@stephenacker2676 2 роки тому
Great view on current state of the art open wheelers. Didn't Colin Chapman take an asymetrical F1 car to the Indy 500 one or two years? Didn't do too well on the first attempt but won on the second, the first rear engined car to win the Indy 500!
@cdjhyoung 2 роки тому
I think the car was a DNF the first year for reasons other than chassis design (transmission failure?). In the 1960's, F1 could cross over to Indy with minimal design adjustments. I don't think the same would be true today.
@flamingfrancis 2 роки тому
Indeed 1961 when Chapman's Cooper Climax was driven by SirJack Brabham (A real World Champion.)
@cdjhyoung 2 роки тому
@@flamingfrancis I'm pretty sure that car builder Colin Chapman would have been racing his own Lotus in 1961, not his competitor's Cooper, but I might be wrong.
@chrisa.d.7460 2 роки тому
Two different open wheel flavors.... I likes em both👍🏻🏁
@Skibumjoe13 Рік тому
Would love to see this video remade after the 2022 COTA with F1 reintroducing the venturi floor tunnels.
@chefduane3742 Рік тому
As someone who has experienced multiple Indy 500's from the pits and who has actually driven a car at speed around the track (admittedly not an Indy car, only a pace car) my comment would be to ask if an F1 car could actually >go< 500 miles? The longest F1 circuit currently is the Sochi Autodrome at just over 192 miles - less than half of an Indy 500. So while speed is a consideration, endurance is a large factor and potentially a much larger indicator of engineering excellence than raw speed. As they say at Indy "You don't have to lead every lap, just the last one." Edit/Add: While not a consideration when only looking an automotive engineering, the Indianapolis 500 track itself is much more fan friendly. Many seats have the ability to see the whole track and that can be much more exciting for a fan rather than getting only a 2-3 second blur of a car as it passes by your seat in an F1 race.
@canukdcv905 2 роки тому
It’s a bit like saying “would an Indy car beat an F1 car at Monaco?”. Even trimmed out for a street circuit it wouldn’t stand an earthly.
@mikeorgan1993 2 роки тому
No Indy car would get close to an F1 car on a street circuit. In fact it wouldn't even get past qualifying as the rules state that the last qualifier must be no more than 107% of the fastest. In the comparison for the Circuit of the Americas the fastest Indi car was 108.6% and so would not be allowed to start the race. At Monaco where the sheer horsepower is so extreme for F1 cars the difference would be closer to 115%. However all of this is not comparing apples and apples its not even comparing apples with another fruit. The difference between F1 and Indy Car is like comparing a Premier League team to a University side, one is professional the other is an enthusiastic amateur. F1 is backed and supported by some of the biggest and technically advanced companies on earth. There is a reason why the big companies are not interested in IndyCar its armatures playing for fun; ad I am not being anti-American because if the big American companies got involved in it the balance would change.
@UNHchabo 2 роки тому
@@mikeorgan1993 Indycar was huge in the 80s and early 90s, but the organization had infighting and split into two series from 1996-2008, leading to a major decline for both series (Nascar's mega-popular era during this period didn't help either). After the 2008 reunification, it's taken time to regain momentum back into Indycar, but I think they've got it back, and are on the way up.
@juanvillalba2404 2 роки тому
@@mikeorgan1993 It would be better if you erase the nonsense that you have written because you only make a fool of yourself
@russs7574 2 роки тому
@@mikeorgan1993 Maybe not Anti-American, but you sure come off as a smug know-it-all.
@ericdawson845 2 роки тому
However, the "ifs" must be allowed to the Indycars as well. Do you really believe that Honda could not dial up more power if restraints were lifted?
@jermyeder2262 2 роки тому
right I mean take the power plant out of the f1 put it in the Indy. I agree fully
@yeoldeyoungin9745 Рік тому
He is British and clearly biased towards F1.
@dicekalbeacukai3797 8 місяців тому
This video is not intended for comparation between F1 and Indy. It just tells us the difference between those 2 as results of different goal and different environment
@Jason-gt2kx 2 роки тому
I appreciate how you give Indycar respect in the comparison. It's easy to just say F1 would dominnate.
@AAA310 2 роки тому
@Josh Alfirenko they wouldnt fuk overrated f1
@MrDonsullivan 2 роки тому
If the F1 car was rebuilt with a hundred million dollars they could compete. Okay, let's just take an F1 and run it. So how would that work?
@lobstereleven4610 2 роки тому
I would love to see an oval race in an F1 season, maybe not every year, but once in a while to shake things up and to give the fans something new to see. I doubt that they would do it, the logistics as you've laid out might not be worth the return but it would be really interesting to see.
@GDAY-GAMES 2 роки тому
Those F1 guys seem to scared of those speeds and the corners without runoff areas. Too afraid they will destroy their millions of dollar cars or something. But, yes F1 should totally run an oval!
@ramiroluquez3419 2 роки тому
@@GDAY-GAMES "seem scared of those speeds and the corners without runoff areas" have you heard about monaco, or baku?
@GDAY-GAMES 2 роки тому
@@ramiroluquez3419 yes, sure. They are not hitting 200+ mph.
@ramiroluquez3419 2 роки тому
@@GDAY-GAMES they do in baku
@heavyhauler426 2 роки тому
There is a sparsely used banking at Monza they could use. It was used when F1 would invite Indycars to race with them.
@keithtidy186 17 днів тому
Sir Jack Brabham drove his underpowered Cooper Climax F1 car at Indy in 1961, qualified and came 9th! First time a mid engined car competed at Indy, didn't take long for front engined cars disappear off the grid....
@BargainBinkey 2 роки тому
I know if was just your sponsor, but thanks for showing Indiana some love
@saladlady1454 2 роки тому
You’re forgetting a major factor, indycar is purposely leaving performance on the table to make the the cars cheaper for the teams. They do this so the small teams have a shot (unlike F1) to add a whole lots of competitiveness to the races. The problem with teams like Ferrari, Red Bull, and Mercedes spending hundreds of millions of dollars is that the smaller teams without that kind of almost unlimited budget don’t have a shot an getting podium. So if indycar allowed more change they could adapt to be SO mush faster than they already are. You bring up the point of F1 being able to adapt to speedways and ovals if they bend the rules, so why not say the same about indycar bending the rules to adapt to road circuits?
@frankpienkosky5688 2 роки тому
so F1 is a bit like baseball?
@russs7574 2 роки тому
@@frankpienkosky5688 F1 is EXACTLY like baseball. Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes are just like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers. The only difference is that in baseball, every once in awhile, a team like the Royals or Rays or Indians (f*** that Cleveland Guardians "woke" bullshit) can get to the World Series, and from there, anything can happen. In F1, those smaller teams have no shot.
@ProfessorSteez 2 роки тому
@@russs7574 took the words right out of my mouth. It’s literally “who has the biggest budget”, it’s entertaining to watch but in no way is it a “best driver always wins” sport.
@LuckyBird551 Рік тому
Yes, I thought the same. The video seemed clearly biased to F1.
@porraambulante Рік тому
Now in 2022 everyone got a budget of like 150 millions, imagine that to spend in crashes and development
@franskamstra2728 2 роки тому
well if you look at the top speed record of F1 it is on baku in the narrow wing time of F1 with over 378km/h for valterri bottas and this was with way more downforce then the even negative front wing they use on indy. i would say that when one team just invests a couple of days for aero they will beat it verly easy
@lorenzoabanes6351 2 роки тому
you’re naive
@franskamstra2728 2 роки тому
@@lorenzoabanes6351 why? Because the facts dont fit your narrative?
@lorenzoabanes6351 2 роки тому
@@franskamstra2728 f1 cars aren’t able to compete, an indy car can easily do 240 mph, still faster than f1
@lorenzoabanes6351 2 роки тому
@@franskamstra2728 and when you add that up over 500 laps, thats a big advantage for indy
@franskamstra2728 2 роки тому
@@lorenzoabanes6351 like I said. 378 (speedtrap) and 385kmh on baku with decent downforce because its a streek circuit. If they add a lower downforce setup they will go even over 400
@albion2742 2 роки тому
In the sixty's Lotus came to the Indy 500 with basically their F1 car and won, even with rear engines. It changed Indy car for ever.
@d.e.b.b5788 Місяць тому
ANd then the Turbine 'Silent Sam', then Colin Chapman got together with Andy Granatelli and made the trio of lotus 56 turbines. They ALMOST won but for a mechanical failure. But that alone, caused Indy to ban them and the 4WD setup they used.
@stokeded 2 роки тому
Great content. What was the app you were usong for those drawings?
@ploppyjr2373 2 роки тому
I did an online indy500 and it was exhausting. Idk how these guys do it. I wasn’t even under allot of pressure because i was last cuz somebody did a Maldonado and went for a gap that wasn’t there.
@davestrider2045 2 роки тому
I think it’s also worth pointing out that F1 cars get way better fuel economy and have larger fuel tanks, meaning if they were able to quickly refuel during the race then they could gain a large advantage. Obviously the obsolescence of the hybrid system would play a role but I can’t imagine it would change the advantage.
@verticalpenguin3495 Рік тому
Even without electric motor, the mechanical engine is about 100hp more powerful than the indycar engines
@danielhenderson8316 Рік тому
@@verticalpenguin3495 It would still get nerfed if they were required to run the same boost pressures. The Indy V6 makes 700 ish HP at full road course boost, but get restricted on oval tracks to 550-625 hp depending on super speedway or short oval.
@mrsoisauce9017 Рік тому
U should remake this video for the modern cars in terms of the underfloor. I’d be curious to know how the cars under the 2022 regulations stack up
@TheEZGZ Рік тому
Inside info makes for a more exciting race. Thanks!
@EmmEmmE777 2 роки тому
I think main limitation would be tires, Pirelli would have to develope a new tire with stiffer shoulders in order to support the g's generated, think that f1 car's could do 300 in corners, such as indycars, the g's generated could be as low as 4.5g, that is still kinda big for today's f1 cars, sustained for a lot of sections of the track, and with a very high steepness of the road load would increase, so we would have way more crashes and he could steal the scene in the US, as Americans love crashes. So, Liberty Media please bring f1 to an indy track, thank you
@wesmo_ 2 роки тому
Summarizing: Formula Indy: Best pilot wins! - Formula 1: Best car wins!
@cIappo896 2 роки тому
Not correct. Raikkonen hardly had the best machines, but he often achieved some of the best results.
@russs7574 2 роки тому
Naw, more like Indy: Best driver wins.....F1 Most money wins.
@cIappo896 2 роки тому
@@russs7574 Yes, let's ignore that Iceman had some of the best results in some of the worst cars he drove.
@huubdams9786 2 роки тому
Then How is it possible that Max Verstappen wins the 2021 F1 World Championship?
@Athinira 2 роки тому
One thing i just remembered for this video is fuel. Since the distance F1 races is typically around 300 kilometers per race, it's unlikely that F1 would have the fuel to compete in something like the Indy 500 (Indy 300 might be possible). They would need larger fuel tanks or refueling introduced.
@d.dementedengineerc99isurf26 2 роки тому
Right. And Indy 500 miles is nearly triple that distance at around 805km! Formula one cars must refuel, or compete in the Indy 300 instead.
@BigDale Рік тому
Excellent Video! It would be interesting to see F1 run longer races.how would their engines hold up for a longer distance?
@paul33850 Рік тому
They made many race with one engine (i think something like 5 engines in a season if more used = penality). Engine is less bigger than indy, but lots and lots of money developpement.
@danielhenderson8316 Рік тому
@@paul33850 Spending 90% at full throttle at a track like Monza is much less work that spending 90% at redline over 300-500 miles for an oval race.
@ChefofWar33 2 роки тому
So basically. F1 cars would need to turn into Indycars to beat Indycars.
@ajaxslamgoody9736 2 роки тому
YEP...I just E-A-S-E-D into this sport since when growing up (and still to this day..SOCCOR is a game where you could skip out have a lunch, come back, and the score is the same. (IHATE SOCCOR with a Passion LOL) but im trying to get into this via video games.....F1 so far...
@ChefofWar33 2 роки тому
@@ajaxslamgoody9736 You got into F1 the perfect season. This year is shaping up to be a classic.
@neogenmatrix6162 2 роки тому
basics
@JBVXR 2 роки тому
"F1 cars would be faster than Indycars if they designed the cars like Indycars but maintained more power...." I mean is this really the conclusion here? Seems silly.
@kawasakisxi1 2 роки тому
No they would just need to turn up ..
@l4pin 2 роки тому
No way an F1 car would even finish the race without some considerable changing of the rules, and if you remove the rules then it's not really an F1 car. The car would have to run flat out for 500 miles, most F1 races are 305km (~200 miles). Even if the engine held up for that long they wouldn't be able to carry enough fuel to go the distance. The tyres aren't designed to run at those speeds for that long and the drivers wouldn't be able to keep any temperature in them. Running on a busy oval means you're almost constantly in dirty air - which wouldn't work with the F1 aero. It's an interesting thought, but the cars are too specialised to their jobs. Indy will never match F1 on a road course, F1 just wouldn't work on an oval, and neither would survive the contact in a full body touring car/nascar race.
@floppa933 2 роки тому
In 2023 when Indycar goes hybrid they will have upwards of 1000bhp. With F1 going with less downforce starting in 2022 the two Motorsports could be much closer on quickness around a road course.
@juanvillalba2404 2 роки тому
@@floppa933 That's right, in 2023 Indy will debut its new 900 hp twin-turbo hybrid engine, in 2024 they will increase to 1000 according to a manager. Obviously they will have to improve the mechanical grip, increase the downforce and improve the brakes. Indy will be closer to F1 than CART was at the time
@dkashvideos Рік тому
A lot of people don’t know that in the 50s the Indy 500 was on the f1 circut
@kavinbala8885 9 місяців тому
i think the big difference at the end is as good as an f1 car can be at indy car it takes a lot more money to be that good compared to the regular indycars
@ashoutinfront 2 роки тому
if F1 cars tried to run the Indy 500 they would run out of fuel... they would need refuelling to make the distance. Also they may have a bit more of an issue making a low drag setup as they are wider and higher which means increased frontal area - a big contributor to drag. The length will not help either. The current Pirelli tyres might not be designed for the continuous higher speed running either.
@mohammeded-dahbi7603 Рік тому
Really? Even with a Monza setup
@ashoutinfront Рік тому
@@mohammeded-dahbi7603 look as some pics of the indycars in the indy 500 (not the other courses) - they have next to no wings. F1's monza setup would be significantly more draggy.
@benmiller5844 Рік тому
Yeah basically a really good setup for an F1 car on an oval would just be modding it until it progresses to an Indy car. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.
@winterknight4176 Рік тому
I don't understand your comment. An F1 car is much more efficient than an Indycar, doing over 4.5 miles/ US gal compared to the 2mpg of the Indy car. The F1 cars do ~305km per race without refueling using 110kg (liters) maximum. In the Indy 500 the cars stop 5 or six times per race, An F1 car to cover that distance would only need 2 stops.
@ashoutinfront Рік тому
@@winterknight4176 that’s the problem - F1 cars are not set up for refuelling. They can’t do it without specialised equipment attached while in the pits. It would take a major redesign to allow for refuelling while in a race. I.e for all intents and purposes they can’t be refuelled during racing. So would not even be able to finish the Indy500. Also without the regen from heavy braking, their fuel use would look a lot different. The electric drive would be useless as their batteries that are usually charged by braking and they other forms of energy recovery while not going maximum speed would never be used, so the batteries never get recharged during Indy500. Their fuel use would also be higher than an indycar due to higher drag - their frontal area is larger, they are longer. F1’s don’t run at 400km/hr continuousl (350km/hr max for short periods). Indycar a do. That additional speed has a massive effect on fuel use.
@gwcrispi 2 роки тому
You'd think he'd fix his error about Colton Herta posting the fastest lap ever if he was going to re-post this video... Arie is still faster.
@alecthomas5311 2 роки тому
You are correct. Arie Luyendyk hit 239 during a practice in 1996
@karter95 2 роки тому
Colton Herta never hit an average lap of 237 in 2020. Marco Andretti set the fastest practice lap of just over 233 and the Pole Speed was just over 231. There has not been a lap over 235 since 1996
@byanymeansnecessary9329 2 роки тому
Gil de ferren had a qually lap over 240 at either Michigan or Fontana, can't remember which.
@mech0p 11 місяців тому
id like to see a no rules "when it comes to the car" year where the developers can do anything they want to get as fast as they can
@michaelsullivan1052 Рік тому
F1 cars ran at Indy on the road course that included a partial lap around the oval. The tires could not hold up. They had to put a chicane on the oval because they were afraid of the speed. The pole qualifiying speed this year was 234 mph. Indycars could go faster but they have been restricting their speeds for 25 years due to safety concerns and the human body being able to handle the g forces in the relatively flat turns.
@harveyknguyen 10 місяців тому
the tires wouldn't hold up because of the artificial grooving that they put on the pavement, Bridgestone tires could handle it since they already knew about the grooves
@tadroid3858 2 роки тому
Money buys speed, power & performance. F1 has more of it. If ovals were a part of F1, they'd be faster because first sentence.
@James-vj5hz 2 роки тому
Go much faster and you just die. The IndyCars are capable of going much faster on the oval than they already do, just not safely.
@mindtricky 2 роки тому
@@James-vj5hz F1 cars are also slowed down for safety.
@tadroid3858 2 роки тому
@@James-vj5hz that's the exact thing people said, when they were breaking 200 mph.
@richardables6561 2 роки тому
@@mindtricky that might be true but the biggest difference is that in f1 at virtually any track there is basically no danger of hitting fans. Its one thing to limit a car to save on engine life. Its another to limit a car because if you dont it can kill 30 people in the stands. In speedway racing there are fans basically at the edge of the racetrack. Indy cars are severely neutered to try and keep the cars from flying into the stands and killing a bunch of people. Which is why they have been running pretty much the same speeds for 30+ years now.
@I_Hate_Youtube_Handles 2 роки тому
@@tadroid3858 33 cars going 230 mph, inches from each other is different than 33 cars going 180 mph, inches from each other. Lewis Hamilton said himself that he will never do the 500, said it was too dangerous. Romain Grosjean who currently races in Indy won't do oval races cause of the danger. Just look up videos of indycars crashing.
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