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Ten months ago he made a video about how Tinder is terrible for average guys. When he gets sponsored by a Tinder photographer the service however now becomes good?

>purity: very high >she's on tinder

I’d be careful with the professional photos, this can end up wasting a bunch of time since the girl will be disappointed in real life. I had a friend get me a couple semi professional photos and this increased my amount of dates by a decent amount but my “closing” rates decreased too. More dates were stale, didn’t want to meet again, etc compared to when I had my basic photos. So be careful not to end up wasting your time

A note on girls agreeing to dates and not following through: You offered 22 dates. They probably agreed to many more dates from other guys. When they randomly stop responding, it's because a hotter guy offered them free dinner.

Also, Angle frauding and photo buffing is really just kicking the can down the road. Meeting up is then the issue.

Just photoshop your photos to look like Chad bro. The girls will never notice

Deducing "purity" based on pics is a myth. I've seen some of the most promiscuous women without tattoos or weird piercings plus a lot of women have not so conspicuous tattoos and piercings.

One of the problems is that you're saying that they're above average looking girls, but you didn't actually see them in real life. You could be surprised. You didn't go far enough with the experiment, you should have gone on those dates to see if they show up, how they really look, and if they're not disappointing in a way or another.

Q: "How many Tinder dates can an average guy get in 1 week?" A: Less than a below average girl can get in 1 HOUR

First of all, nice experiment. A couple of questions: 1. With the enhanced photos you dont even look like yourself anymore, especially in the top 5% one. Same goes for the picture of your sponsor, they all look unreal. Isnt this catfishing in the end? 2. What happened after the first date? Its all good if you get one date with a girl but could you get a second one, especially after they have seen the real you?

To be fair: 1. You didn’t actually go on any dates. Besides the 3 Asians there is a big chance the remaining ones would flake. 2. You are catfishing. 3. There is a big chance you are being catfished. 4. There is a big drop off in matches so in week 2 you would probably have a small number of matches. And after that it would dry up completely. It would probably be more rewarding to spend your time building out a rich social life and focus on your career.

I could be misunderstanding, but it seems you didn't go on any of the dates? If so, we are missing crucial data. For one, how many of the girls actually showed up? Getting them to agree to meet is all well and good, but we've all been stood up before. Also, how was the actual date? Maybe you got there and they weren't as into you as they were online. Maybe your photos/profile carried you a bit. Maybe the "high purity" girls were awkward and more shy and weren't actually good dates or something. How many dates ended in sex? I could go on. There is a lot of data that I feel we are missing here. But what you did provide is interesting and possibly useful. Maybe I'll run the experiment myself and figure out the second half of the data if I'm lucky.

Your pictures are top tier. The one with the snow look the best. I would have thought you were a model.

I hate the idea of putting myself out there to be judged as worthy or not by the council of women. "Pick me! pick me!" I'm not putting them on a pedestal like that. Also when they see that you're 1-2 points less attractive irl it'll just be a brootal rejection

No wonder women ghost this guy he texts like a complete geek on Whatsapp. I feel sorry for all the guys who text like this

Angle frauding leads to problems when actually meeting up, idk if its a solid strat.

Hoeflation... when the quality of the average woman goes down, while the entitlement of these women goes up. If you're using dating apps, you're part of the problem.

It's interesting to see the conversion ratio of matches to WhatsApp and then WhatsApp to materialised dates but, crucially, the dates to smash ratio and smash to gf ratio are unconfirmed. I would also remark that the WhatsApp date planning appeared rather business-like and came across as impatient. Texting is one setting where 'game' and generally getting to know the girl a bit counts

1. Subtract at least 3 points from Purity for the fact that the girls are on Tinder at all 2. How did the dates go? How many girls have flaked? How many girls didn't contact you after the first date (without anything happening)? 3. If the photos are too optimal, you create false expectations and have to fight against disappointment from the first second on an uphill battle. As a reminder, the girls expect to meet at least Chadlight at the appointed place according to your photos. I have photos of myself where my weak jawline and receding chin are not visible, especially when I wear a beard. In these photos I look like Chad. If I were to use these photos, the effect would be the same as if a fat guy used Photoshop to make himself 50 kilos lighter or someone with hereditary baldness wore a wig in the photos, but appeared on the date with a crown of hair.

I love this video. But I think you have to notice that this is not dating as an average looking guy because all the girls from the pictures were lead to believe you are way more attractive than average. So I'd guess this is a top 10%/15% experience

I get maybe 2 per month. Saying “its not worh it” is understatement

Bro u talk like a robot to these girls, no mouth piece no smoothness. That's why

This point should be emphasised: 1. WW’s enhanced dating photos brought him to a 7/10 (Elite Chad level). This resulted in a higher success rate in match rates. 2. Doing this will have consequences for when she meets him on the date, especially if “looks is everything.” That’s of course if they haven’t flaked. 3. In this current upload where he is speaking, he is actually a 5-6 normie (as he claims). The resulting match rate, if he uploaded this as a dating profile pic, would be much lower but at least a more honest outcome / longer-term dating success rate

Until they meet you and see that you don’t look anything like your photos 🤣 I remember back when Tinder first became a thing (I’m old lol) people really didn’t understand the concept of being catfished… all of my friends got “soft” catfished. Basically when the guy is average, say a 5 in real life, but he presented as an 7 or so in his pictures. It’s not traumatizing BUT the disappointment will be so strong, that you are likely to never hear from any of these girls ever again. You actually probably would’ve been better off just meeting them in real life and not getting their hopes up. Personally, when I got soft catfished, it gave me the ICK because I know those dudes knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and it just spoke to their insecurities.

The answer is 0 (zero).

From my personal experience, if I had 9 dates lined up. I'd have to say, 2/3 of woman flake on a first date. That now leaves 3. Out of the 3 woman you actually go on a date with, 2/3 won't be intetested in a relationship. That leaves just 1 woman, that is interested in a relationship. That's a lot of effort for a choice of one.

9 dates from 725 right swipes = 1.24% success rate. That is far better than average

There's a good chance most of those girls won't show up to the date.

They are all dealing with so many different guys that all of this makes total sense to me.

Props to you for being open to changing your mind based on the data. From your previous videos, I'd totally understand scrapping the video. Big respect for being consistent with your claims.

The work you do is really impressive. I love the way you source data and lay it out. Also putting yourself out there so we can get an understanding is really helpful. Hopefully one of those girls for you can turn into something quality.

Squintmaxxing in photos can bring the average man (Normie / HTN) up to Chadlite quite easily. It's crazy how much it can improve a man's attractiveness. Even in real time when I squintmaxx I get a lot more glances and eye contact from women.

Great video and unexpected conclusion. Also, living in a million-people city does help a ton. For the flakiness upon logistics, I think it's down to a few stupid mistakes: - phrasing the meetup as a question. If you phrased it like "let's meet on Monday, 6pm, at cafe XYZ", it could sound more assertive while the question is a bit submissive. - also, keeping it tight into 1 single message would seem better than 3 consecutive texts, which evoke more of a teenager's lack of structure - and WTF is this obsession with mid-afternoon? When I was a student, I had class all day. Why not inviting girls at late afternoon or early evening? It sounds like terrible timing to me. I may sound harsh but I love your work. Cheers!

You can photoshop a 3 into a 9 but as soon as you meet up on the first date she will ghost you. With this technique you can really only flirt on whatsapp and thats all.

This is basically catfish

If you value your sanity, stay away from the things like tinder 😊

You didn't elaborate on the end results with each girl - how many dates, if you had a fun time, if you thought their personalities were relationship material, etc. Presumably this has to do with my previous question, but what was the reason for rating Diu mid purity?

You failed to mention the dates themselves (did you even go) and what was the aftermath. This material really needs a followup.

I cut Tinder 2 years ago. Way too much time spent organizing dates and waiting around only to get flaked on. I got some success over a 2 year time span of using Tinder often...about 50 dates which about 75% ended up in a hookup or short term few weeks fling. The majority of my dates were with women that were unattractive or extremely mid in looks and or purity. The unattractive ones always wanted relationships and the decent looking ones eventually left after a while or after the initial hookup. If I went on there now I'd probably get nothing.

Great content as usual, thanks to WW! Notably, I recently had similar experiment on Tinder. After I picked the right photos, I've got about three hundred matches in a month. I'm about 6.5 by looks. Most matches occurred between me and 27-33 y.o. girls. This is about a order of magnitude higher, than with previous photos. However, still, this experiment is very annoying, time and emotional consuming.

As many as you have time for. I think the problem is on dating apps is you get messages from so many people that is hard to put any decent effort into any one person, you are constantly distracted by new women messaging you. You start to place less importance on each person, you start to view them as completely replaceable. You talk to hundreds but never really get to know anyone.

top 5% rated is not average bruh

I believe there is another important point you have made in other videos. You are on top of taking care of the fundamentals when it comes to looks which has opened up this opportunity for you to use a service to "put your best foot forward" which some people may characterize as being fraudulent. Very impressive and informative. I also believe more things can be explored by repeating the exercise such as the effect of "game" in gaining what you refer to as "compliance".

This is why Bumble is superior. The woman has to message first, which is a huge time-saving filter in your favour. I recently re-activated my Bumble account, was very picky with women, and the majority of women I matched with I was also able to get contact info, ask out and agree a time and date. No women dropped off after agreeing to a date. I have quite a strong profile I think though.

Taking crazy enhanced photos is like lying on a resume - it may get you in the door, but how are you going to talk your way out of it in person?

Why didn’t you meet up with the girls? The process isn’t finished yet when you have arranged a date with them, it’s only finished once you are laying in bed with them.

A women on tinder can’t be high purity

It's so crazy to see this video after the last time I watched you which was you debating Alex. Really awesome to see that you have an open mind. I enjoy your content keep it up

Man you have to improve your texting game a lot. Conversion from match to date is a highly demanding process in terms of skills.

Did you have any actual dates? So, out of 9 girls that have INITIALLY agreed, probably only 5-6 would ACTUALLY show up. Then it's yet another story whether there's gonna be any chemistry or not, good conversation, maybe the girl will think you look worse in real life than online, etc. I also think that we are missing one crucial factor in here - the age range. While the age range was 18-25, 90%+ of girls all the way till 22 or maybe even 23, have the "random" mode function in their heads. The fact that she just agreed for a date would mean "yes" for a normal person, but remember: this was just temporary. Next thing you know and the dice in her head has yet another idea - oh, I don't feel like it. Even though she agreed! And she's gonna ghost you. 24 WhatsApp numbers out of 98 matches - I think that's the good initial measurement. Because while the matches are hard to get all across the board (of course it's still harder with younger girls), the number thing already tells you something. And then the date agreement. So in total, 9 out 98 matches agreed INITIALLY for a date - that's just above 9% accuracy, without knowing how the conversation went. We don't know how many of these 9 would actually show up. But what I do know is that girls aged 24-30 will be definitely more responsive and responsible too, which makes sense, cause they are more mature and the clock is ticking.

Are you serious? Your pictures indicate that you are 8 or 7, while in reality you are between 6~5. This is cheating.

First, you’re white so it helps too.. cos those asians matched and talked to you cos you’re white.. white men are the most desired on the dating app.. an average white man is equal to a high level guy from any other race in terms of looks in women’s eye.. secondly, your photos have been enhanced too much that it doesn’t really look like u.. when some of the girls see you, they might not wanna meet up again. Cos I’ve enhanced my photos a lot in the past and met up girls but they didn’t want to meet up again after the first meeting

@Wheat Waffles I live in Birmingham UK and almost guessed that you were stood on the canal by Brindley Place in your second photo before you confirmed the location you were swiping! For me, I've had Tinder around 8 years, used it on and off. Have got I think what's called Gold that gives me 5 super likes a day and a "Top Picks" section that refreshes daily giving the potentially best 30 women who've used the app recently within my parameters. I'm turning 35 in the summer yet over this entire time I've had a grand total of ONE date. Yes, one. And that was like a 4 or 5 out of 10 SMV who was actually relocating within 2 weeks of my date with her 🤣 I also rarely ever get compliments early on from women and 95% of my matches go flaky on me through no fault of my own. My photos aren't horrific but I understand that they're portraying me as an accurate reflection of my physical attractiveness. I'm about 5/10, maybe 5.5-6 on my very best days, yet I've got a great career, social circle and hobbies so it's clearly about how well your photos catch other women's eyes more than anything else. This is the ONLY thing that's been proven in this video. As with others who have said this, I am a genuine and honest guy and frankly I feel it is morally wrong and actually borderline evil to catfish women into thinking you're better looking than you actually are in real life. Yes women wear make-up and filters in their photos but if it's excessive we as men already notice this. We allow a certain degree of catfishing from women, but as your final 9 demonstrated, most of those weren't using excessive filters or presumably wearing over the top make-up because that's why you offered dates to them in the first place. What this tells me is how utterly vain and appearance driven women really are in 2023, and have been for some time now. When dates are arranged women still need to verify you look as you do in the photos so once that takes place there's still absolutely no guarantee at all that you'll get a second date after that and then develop it into anything more. What this also demonstrates is that you had time to send 60 messages in an hour to the girl who was fastest to arrange a date with you, in 58 minutes, while most average guys factually have to contend with work and life in general. On weekdays if I have everything in my life to organise from getting home and sorting food, taking care of things at my home, doing gym, and maintaining all my other social relationships in my life (friends and family) then I barely have 90 minutes spare per weekday and often I just feel fully exhausted from everything else I've done. Average guys don't have the luxury of being able to swipe on 1,000 women in 7 days and message 29 of them on WhatsApp, sending hundreds and hundreds of messages. You are completely deluded if you think average men have time for this.

Wait so you didnt even go on dates with them? Seems completely pointless now

This honestly blows my mind. 98 matches over a span of a week!?!?! I’ve got only some 30 matches over a span of 1 1/2 years.

LOVE this video! Thank you for putting in all of this effort and showing what really happens.

Interesting stuff. Myself I'm average face but 6'3" UK. I'd say I get about 5-7 matches out of a 100 right swipes 18-30 year olds. Out of those 7 girls I will get a date with 1. Height absolutely is a MASSIVE advantage for guys. I'd be screwed were it not for my height. Tall girls in particular who have good faces and bodies will make exceptions for tall guys. Also I know blackpill tends to disregard a lot of PUA advice but I think text game helps too. At least it helps you stand out out of the handful of guys shes talking to. Or course if youre chad you wont have to jump through those hoops but I think text game is important to building rapport to get a number. It would be interesting to see what results your experiment would get if you listed a different height on the profile for each set of swipes. Great stuff as usual man 👍 congrats on the 100k subs too

So basically the "professional" photos appeal to women's petty narcissism and result in more swipe rights? Oh damn I'm definitely hiring this dude to take my photos lmao

Just be very good looking, bro. Problem solved.

The pictures you used show yourself to be in the top 5-25% of men which isn’t average, it’s top tier or top 25% which obviously means it’s worthwhile for men in that tier. Re do this experiment with a guy that’s 5/10 with 5/10 images and see what you find.

I posted a job for my firm, got 400 applicants, and shortlisted 10, only interviewing 4, and will pick one. Women are in this same position in picking men but have no reputation to defend, therefore can behave with a low level of empathy that there’s a human being on the other end.

And I'm not sure how much you can judge purity based only on how they dress. At university I knew "shy" girls who covered everything but had more bodies than a cemetery.

The photo with the snow you look gigchad, only need eyebrow

What a great breakdown, excellent work!

going by your past videos, looks like you owe tinder a little apology 😉 it's great that you're making yourself more visible lately. Cheers

not surprised a third of dates were asian girls they do tend to be more straightforward

I tried my own experience, I live near the border of the country (France) and after a day 80% of the profiles suddently are out of boundaries, I had to setup the radar to 60km to get new results, the problem is this radar make a big circle around me, so it reach Brussels in Belgium and some other town that doesn't speak french anymore, resulting to a bad ratio since most of these girls won't like a profil they can't talk with. I then went in Belgium and tried again with a new profil, I have proofs the radar volontary shows us profils that live far away, for example I had access to new profiles in my town from Belgium, but in my town these profiles didn't appear at all. It's broken. Also at the moment most of the profiles I see are from one Belgian city only, while my city has a similar radius. I even get profiles from Netherlands and Germany which are 200-300km aways... the radar seems to target big cities first, it makes the results even less good. I've read the comments about the app and most people get the same problem, the profiles are geographicaly inacurate if you live in a small country or near the borders of it.

Thanks, great stuff. Without actually going to dates, however, statistics is incomplete, 50% could easily just not show up or make excuses, this happened to me often. Some of my selfies get 8+ on attractiveness on photofeeler, are they good enough for tinder? I don't want to get any professional photos because 1) I'd feel like some narcissist 2) they would show me in better way than I am in daily life so would be like a bit of catfishing. Would be cool to see similar experiment but with lazy unedited selfies taken on street

Conquered the hardest part getting matches. Work on your rizz. You could 5x your results doing these 6 things & getting better at texting. 1. Never double text match her energy and time it takes to respond. Ie she takes an hour to respond you take an hour to respond 2. Tell her what to do don’t ask. You want to assume the sale. Asking creates doubt/questioning 3. Never message anything boring or filler stuff like “good morning” “how’s your day” 4. Ideally you want most messages to be emotionally stimulating and fresh/unique 5. All your messages seemed to be pull messages. You also want to mix in push messages 6. After you match get her attracted first then get the date. Your messages just went from match to asking her if she’ll go on a date with her Hope this helps! Not hating just trying to help. Love your videos!

You're quite handsome. I don't think you're an average guy. Definitely above average

No question that after all of the hours of work, you can get a date. Then you have to sift through multiple women on dates to find the needle in the haystack. Just seems way more trouble than it is worth. Honestly, women are extremely difficult to get along with and will only bring drama, heartache and disappointment into your life. If you have the strength to live without female company, then you will suffer far less headaches, heartaches and financial misery.

Incredibly done video. The results are crazy!!! This is one of the videos that I'd wish to go viral; women need to see what they're putting us through 😂. Only problem is the title of this video may possibly not attract views from that crowd

Your text game needs work. Too formal

This is just a money grab folks. He’s basically selling you a professional photo shoot which will cost you potentially thousands of dollars. He never promised you anything. He never said he went on the actual dates. Forget about all this. Just look at how women treat you when you are out and about, day to day, at work, etc... do they give you a lot of attention? Then you already have a pretty good idea about your sexual market value.

Good work , I dated and eventually married,, an Asian ( Chinese) girl 15 yrs ago . I used back then internet dating , but the issues I had back then are the same ,, I could get British girls to chat , but ,, when it came to meeting up they would evaporate, so I came to assume, that ???? Some women are flirting only for likes ??? others have fake photos??? and don ‘t exist as profiled ??? and could be 70 yrs old etc .who knows? Oddly the Asian women I met were all good dates psychologically sound girls and true to their profile. Today they say young men are invisible,, but no one says young woman only exist as false pixels.

Jbw in full effect. He's way above average anyway. An actual average guy (myself) got 8 matches. 4 numbers. 1 date. No sex. No second date. And that was a month with tinder plus. I've had multiple gfs and ONS irl but can't get fuck all on Tinder.

I noticed with Catherine, you introduced yourself and basically immediately asked for a date. In my experience the likelihood of getting a date is a lot better if you have a conversation with them for a couple of days. basically you had subpar rizz

Yeah but what happens when you go on the dates and you don't really look like your "special" photos?

It's often frustrating and difficult in situations where the girl responds less or stops responding. This creates a paradox where you can chase to try get contact, but by trying to get contact and chasing it simply lowers your value, making it even less likely she will respond. There are ways to flip these situations or prevent them, but it seems most of the time it's better to have an easy comes easy goes attitude when it comes to dating women.

Honestly, it highly depends on region. For example, as being clearly above average, even if not a true chad, I get plenty of mathes in ex-soviet countries and Poland, but zero in Germany through several months. I even checked male profiles to check who I compete against in Germany, but it wasn't gigachads at all. So either an activity in Tinfer is way lower in some countries or I got shadow banned there for some reason. Or the reason might be that my profile is in English and only in Eastern Europe English is common among population, while in Germany its enough to know only German to live a wealthy stable life, so only hotel workers and police speaks English there.

So your right swipe to date ratio is little over 1 percent. I'd be curious to know what number an average/slightly above average girl would achieve. Easily tenfold i would guess

I agree he got positive results and that is a plus. But this is in a perfect scainaro (i.e., pay for perfect pictures, monitor Tinder like it is a job, I would argue that he is marginally above an average Joe). I just think face-to-face asking a girl out would be more effective and less word. Grandit, I acknowledge that is tough and I am still single. The key takeaway is despite the success, I do not deep it to be the most efficient way to go about it.

How many of the dates actually showed up and then worked out though? Wouldn’t it be really awkward meeting someone you don’t know?

I see that you have taken the Alex from PWF method of complete 100% honesty in your Tinder photos...

So this was a 20 minute infomercial for Justin the Tinder Photographer…

Bro, you didn't just get through all of this, just to say near the end "I didn't see any of these girls" 😭 They literally could have flaked on the date itself

Issue being, those photos look nothing like you. Those girls will turn up for the date and never see you again

I don’t think you actually went on dates with the women, there’s a good chance they would simply not show up. Another thing you have to keep in mind is that most guys won’t pay for tinder.

Love your video background! No expense spared... especially the Ikea furniture clutter, woman's bum vase and bog roll! 🤣

Its crazy because every marker and stat he is showing has gone through my head. But when you say it out loud it sounds crazy. But the reality is that he was spot on in terms of purity and stats. Outward representation has been a very consistent indicator for me.

still flawed because you are a niche (a ginger) + averageish looking, and as a result, you have an advantage in the dating app since if a girl really likes red hair (roughly 1% of girls) they will be pretty much a guaranteed swipe. An average guy is not white, blue eyes, red hair. In fact, having blue eyes and red hair is about as rare as being 6’7. Certainly not an “average” tinder profile. Try being a 5’10 brown or black hair guy who is htn in the face; we are a dime a dozen wheat.

Jep thats the most frustrating part. You think you made it (to at least go on a date) and things seem to go well but over half will jump off after agreeing to the date. And if he actually went on the dates at least another 1/3 if not half will either cancel last minute or not show up at all. Needless to say if you actually go on the date it doesnt guarantee that you will sleep with her

Thx for the interesting video, are you gonna do a one month on tinder next?

Those pictures are really flattering lol

The pictures didn’t look like you in the videos, you didn’t meet any of them and you had to pay for the top tinder package. How would the girls react when they met you in person? The amount of time spent swiping was crazy as well. Obviously Tinder is pay to play otherwise you don’t get promoted to anyone.

Now we need an experiment where someone actually follows through with the process, because it's one thing to arrange a first date, it's another thing to arrange a second date, let alone get to the first kiss and all that. My guess would be out of all these girls maybe with one or two you could consider something for a couple of months, and god knows what happens after that. But maybe I'm wrong though, cause they purity is high (But I doubt that cause they're still on tinder)

If this is what meeting a partner has come to, there's no hope 🤣🤣

Great video. As a average guy. You need to max all the level you can control . Looks , fitness , personality, financial ,

In my experience, the conversion would have been much higher with better texting. Most of the ones you showed were way too logical and serious in the close. had to be more flirty and fun for it to work imo