How Not To Steal Star Wars - Rebel Moon

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Rebel Moon is a blatant copy of A New Hope, but the issue goes far deeper than you might think.
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@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 2 місяці тому
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@jessetorres8738
@jessetorres8738 2 місяці тому
Meanwhile, 17 sequels, prequels, & tv films later & yet Episode 4 A New Hope is still the best Star Wars film.
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 2 місяці тому
@@jessetorres8738 I'm sorry but you are wrong. Empire Strikes back is the best one
@zionleach3001
@zionleach3001 2 місяці тому
Can you do a video on how to write dark fantasy in a modern world?
@SupermanBlack1987
@SupermanBlack1987 2 місяці тому
Here's a problem with Rebel Moon and Zack Snyder. He said he wanted to create his own Star Wars. Here's the problem Zack Snyder can't do hope he's too much of a cynic. Star Wars has started now pulling back the curtain and showing more of the citizen of the rebellion and conflict within the government. They show much more of how bad it is within the structure of society in Star Wars. But that requires layers of nuance that a lot of writers have trouble with today. Nuance is difficult for anyone Zack Snyder doesn't do new ones. The man is pure on the nose writing. Plus Zack doesn't know how to write hope. It's just not his thing. He tried to do Star Wars and it came out looking like 40K. Because that's what it is it's Warhammer 40K fanfic. The main character is basically a sister of battle. She's hiding out on a agrarian world that would exist in the 40K universe and look exactly like the ones in the 40K universe. The Aesthetics of the how the military looks the cybernetic gothic look. All of it screams 40K which is right up Zach's alley. Does 40K have nuanced storytelling? Yes most definitely but do you have to write it? No not at all there is plenty of zero nuance writing in 40K. And it's still good and honestly if he had just focused on that he would have been fine. Zach is a nihilist. Who believes in the same political views as I can't remember the actress's name. But she's from the 50s or the 40s. She was one of the actresses from Beverly Hillbillies. The really old grandma. Apparently she is extremely conservative but she has a certain brand of conservatism that isn't what we're usually thinking of. It's very much a combination of bootstrap politics and the strong stand with the strong kind of stuff in the week and just left to die or something like that. I don't know I have to go back and look into it. But that's Zack's way of thinking that's why he made Superman the way he did. It's the reason why his Justice League was so weird. He's not a hopeful person. You can't have a Luke Skywalker character without hope. And it's pretty clear that this movie series was just made up of his political views in sci-fi form. That's why Watchman was so good. If he was making the story of Watchmen starting from the beginning and not the end of the story. Like when everything is falling apart. The reason why he's so good at that. Is because that's how he thinks. The happy superhero stuff he not about that.
@crazypeopleonsunday7864
@crazypeopleonsunday7864 2 місяці тому
Any chance you'll make a video about Madame Web? I recently watched it, and it seems like you could really dig into that movie, like a lion to a gazelle. Not just in that you could savagely rip it apart, but that you could also derive a lot of value from from it, for yourself, for your channel, and for us viewers. Watching it, I noticed how the scenes and plot overall were much like its dialog: unnatural in progression, poorly ordered and structured, and not carefully catered to best serve the story. The themes were unconnected and barely fleshed out, too. Like, there's just a lot there to break down (as well as a lot of unnurtured potential for an actually good movie. I mean, it seriously feels like the writers compiled a bunch of good ideas to put together into the prerequisite of the first rough draft just in time for Sony corporate to say "Yeah, that's good enough. We just need to *make* a movie, it doesn't have to be a *good* movie." Ok, I'm digressing now, but) I really want to hear your thoughts on it; after watching it, I just thought it was a movie perfectly suited for your stylings of analyses. Also, I love the improving graphics and editing in your videos, it really stands out in this one. I don't know if you're doing all the editing, or if you've hired someone(s) else, but whoever is responsible requires compliment for it.
@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780
@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 2 місяці тому
I can't wait for Zack's 14 hour director cut to reveal that the water girl that almost got wrapped by the soldiers was secretly Martian Manhunter all along, tying this poetic story together somehow
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 2 місяці тому
Peak cinema
@jeremytitus9519
@jeremytitus9519 2 місяці тому
Rebel Moon was the name of his sled.
@horaciosi
@horaciosi 2 місяці тому
I can't wait for all the in-real-time walking scenes.
@rasalasblack
@rasalasblack 2 місяці тому
I'm waiting for Sofia Boutella to finally fire her agent. Mygawd, she only starred in one good movie.
@badlaamaurukehu
@badlaamaurukehu 2 місяці тому
Truely cinema of our time.
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 2 місяці тому
They really told ChatGPT to put Star Wars and Seven Samurai together
@aelminiatures
@aelminiatures 2 місяці тому
With a bit of Warhammer40k sprinkled on top
@DenysBuryi
@DenysBuryi 2 місяці тому
Doesn't ChatGPT do what Lucas did though?
@hussarzwei6223
@hussarzwei6223 2 місяці тому
ChatGPT is at least quick to the point, whereas Synder is tedious.
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 2 місяці тому
@@DenysBuryi As explained in the video, A New Hope took many inspirations to tell a story in a new way, instead of just taping a bunch of things together.
@KwadDamyj
@KwadDamyj 2 місяці тому
Star Wars already was inspired by Kurosawa films so not a bad idea. Unfortunately expecting Hollywood not to ruin good ideas in this day and age is expecting a lot.
@maepletea
@maepletea 2 місяці тому
17:01 After that scene with the giant bird creature was over, I remember saying out loud "That was just the scene from How To Train Your Dragon but bad."
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 2 місяці тому
Lol, you're absolutely right
@blokkymon336
@blokkymon336 2 місяці тому
@@TheCloserLook whole rebel moon is "that was just from **** but bad"
@user-xx6vy9ri8p
@user-xx6vy9ri8p 2 місяці тому
Or from Harry Potter.
@Sanliontiger
@Sanliontiger 2 місяці тому
funny i thought of the first avatar XD
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 2 місяці тому
@@Sanliontiger Avatar suffers from the same issue exposed in this video
@AmiliaCaraMia
@AmiliaCaraMia 2 місяці тому
This movie is just "and then and then and then." It felt like random clips just firing off.
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 2 місяці тому
"If you ever find yourself saying and then, you've probably written a bad story" ~Trey Parker I think
@chordalharmony
@chordalharmony 2 місяці тому
@@kylespevak6781South Park writer? If so you’re right
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 2 місяці тому
@@chordalharmony Yeah, one or the other said it
@jeremytitus9519
@jeremytitus9519 2 місяці тому
It’s like the sort of story a five year old might make up on the spot.
@Aefweard
@Aefweard 2 місяці тому
but it was all COOL and MYSTERIOUS right? right? what do you mean it was all flat?
@dax8665
@dax8665 2 місяці тому
rebel moon is like trying to build a brick wall without cement you’re stacking all of the bricks on top of each other but not reinforcing them, or binding them together with cement so eventually no matter what it will all collapse
@mohd8218
@mohd8218 2 місяці тому
With blurry shots
@haalandfilms1695
@haalandfilms1695 2 місяці тому
The Cement that's missing in it is the Theme, which we'll find in the Directors cut. One cruicial part that's missing from the film is Sexual expression and consent. Which is a theme that exists in the shorter version, but is not emphasised enough. The film is about owning ones own body, which is the issue every single character in the movie has. I assume the extended version will flesh that out more. The Novel certainly does
@IronSuns
@IronSuns 2 місяці тому
Best part will be that the bricks will fall in slow mo
@dax8665
@dax8665 2 місяці тому
@@IronSuns lmao
@marcosmoura138
@marcosmoura138 2 місяці тому
​@@haalandfilms1695If This version is trash many people will not come back to watch a longer version of The same movie.
@TheBlueArmageddon
@TheBlueArmageddon 2 місяці тому
The plot felt like an RPG where you pick up side characters along the way, but with just the cutscenes and none of the gameplay
@randomguy6679
@randomguy6679 2 місяці тому
That’s an insult to those RPG’s.
@GreenPeelEL34
@GreenPeelEL34 Місяць тому
😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤
@ArariaKAgelessTraveller
@ArariaKAgelessTraveller Місяць тому
There WAS a game like that, I forgot the name though
@kalashnikovdevil
@kalashnikovdevil Місяць тому
It was missing the cut scenes too.
@brianbadonde9251
@brianbadonde9251 Місяць тому
​@@ArariaKAgelessTravellerLike A Dragon?
@alexander-ru4gd
@alexander-ru4gd 2 місяці тому
the beauty of SW is that it lifts so many references and remixes them altogether, it becomes something entirely new and entirely familiar.
@citizenvulpes4562
@citizenvulpes4562 2 місяці тому
You'd be surprised about how many movies do this. Most movies will straight out STEAL scenes from other movies, but you wouldn't notice because the emotions that it conveys are unique to the film itself.
@nemowindsor8724
@nemowindsor8724 2 місяці тому
Ehhhhh it was too obvious in most cases. SW is not terribly creative and it’s painful at times.
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 2 місяці тому
@@nemowindsor8724 that was always true. the OG SW was a generic sci-fi movie.... or what people back then saw as a generic sci-fi movie. Nowadays it's this weird retro thing that still has that era's aesthetics.
@steprockmedia
@steprockmedia 2 місяці тому
That's the idea he's getting at when he says great poets steal and make the work better.
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 2 місяці тому
@@nemowindsor8724 TBF, SW was the first someone really took all the new film technology at the time to make a space epic.
@humanbeing2282
@humanbeing2282 2 місяці тому
There’s a piece of advice that applies here that goes “Don’t follow in their foot steps, Seek what they sought” from Marty O’Donnell. Instead of stitching together disparate elements because you like them, it asks you to figure out what the point, what the goal of the story you like is, then ask yourself how you yourself would solve that problem. It’s an almost effortless way of creating something with your own spin because now you have a compass to decide whether or not something should be in your story
@user-gb7ji6xy5d
@user-gb7ji6xy5d 2 місяці тому
Well said! Everything on screen should serve the story.
@mvmlego1212
@mvmlego1212 2 місяці тому
I agree with the caveat it doesn't apply to new creators, only well-established ones. People who are new in a craft need to start somewhere. For them, tracing someone else's path is probably the right choice, because forging a new one is legitimately far too difficult for a new person to do.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 2 місяці тому
I agree, think of the story I want to tell, then look for elements I can use to tell that story. And then tweak each element i took inspiration from to make it my own, to fit my story, and to make it harder to spot.
@user-yv2cz8oj1k
@user-yv2cz8oj1k 2 місяці тому
Start with a collection of ideas, but then make them your own, add twists, change it, don't just knock it out.
@PauLtus_B
@PauLtus_B 2 місяці тому
Absolutely! When experiencing a story you might experience it as having several great moments, but you have to understand whatever else happened in the story to make them work. You can't just take and keep the highlights while ignoring the less flashy parts as those parts are vital to make the highlights work. I think this is why cliches can become problem. Sometimes it's just because they're overdone, but I feel often it's because it's just copying the surface without considering what made those moments work. If you know why it works the idea can also be more effectively subverted into something meaningful. Rebel Moon is an obvious example, but even within Star Wars itself it's a problem. "I am your Father" is amazing and is really memorable but it doesn't work because "it's so cool that the villain is his dad". It's a moment that contextualises so much for the character's motivation and goals. Even one movie later Luke and Leia are sibilings now and... do we really care? It's something which Star Wars fans (and at this point also some of its creators) don't seem to be able to learn either. There's so much theorising (and teasing) about potential family connections but without any groundwork for how to make such a revelation meaningful.
@eugenetzigane
@eugenetzigane 2 місяці тому
"Good artists copy, great artists steal." As a student of classical music, I was taught that Stravinsky said this! 😅
@lolmeme69_
@lolmeme69_ 2 місяці тому
They're all wrong - I said this quote!
@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.
@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. 2 місяці тому
I feel like you could make a good analogy using Legos as well.
@trillionbones89
@trillionbones89 2 місяці тому
That's the beauty of this line: it is attributed to great artists
@Hawkatana
@Hawkatana 2 місяці тому
Wrong, it's from Thomas "Tomska" Ridgewell.
@tenderandmoist5011
@tenderandmoist5011 16 днів тому
No I said it
@vitod7425
@vitod7425 2 місяці тому
Paul Schrader said that inspiration should be like shoplifting. You always wanna shoplift from a different store so you never get caught.
@josho7138
@josho7138 14 днів тому
💀
@Agustin_Leal
@Agustin_Leal 8 днів тому
Strangely specific
@PetersonZF
@PetersonZF 4 дні тому
Yes, and sometimes half the fun can be smooshing two different stories together. Eg. "What if we merged two completely different Kevin Costner movies, The Bodyguard and No Way Out?" Boom, you've got the BBC miniseries Bodyguard.
@shockmesane4158
@shockmesane4158 2 місяці тому
Snyder's visual style was fun and interesting one time in 300, just like M Night's twist writing worked once in sixth sense. You need more than one trick.
@trequor
@trequor 2 місяці тому
Hey! M Night's twist worked really well in Unbreakable
@LadyFrost117
@LadyFrost117 Місяць тому
@@trequor Because it wasn't merely a twist, there was actual thematic weight behind it
@brianbadonde9251
@brianbadonde9251 Місяць тому
It worked in the village too. I know people say it's stupid but I did really blow my mind back then
@shockmesane4158
@shockmesane4158 23 дні тому
@@brianbadonde9251 I mean normally I encourage people to go with their own flow but in this one specific instance I might agree with the people you know. About it being stupid.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 12 днів тому
@@shockmesane4158no, Snyders visual style was good in 2 movies, 300 and legend of the guardians. One of the most unique animated movies I’ve ever seen.
@atogon_art
@atogon_art 2 місяці тому
My spite for this movie was elevated by the fact I watched Seven Samurai a literal week prior. It literally felt like they were trying to make Star Wars if the plot was based off that instead of The Hidden Fortress.
@TiberiusX
@TiberiusX 2 місяці тому
Same. He missed all of the moments that make the final battle also poignant
@jeremielebrun3637
@jeremielebrun3637 2 місяці тому
and there is an Anime which literally did that allready....
@blakemcmillan5680
@blakemcmillan5680 Місяць тому
@@jeremielebrun3637what anime is that?
@jeremielebrun3637
@jeremielebrun3637 Місяць тому
@@blakemcmillan5680 "Samurai 7" from 2004
@SwordsmanMercenary
@SwordsmanMercenary Місяць тому
Magnificent Seven, and freaking Battle Beyond the Stars did it better than Rebel Moon
@captainblighe7297
@captainblighe7297 2 місяці тому
10:15 best way I’ve seen those two covers described. Reznor’s version is a suicide note. Cash’s is a eulogy.
@maxpotenza9868
@maxpotenza9868 2 місяці тому
That is exactly right. the Reznor version was the final track on the album called "The Downward Spiral". It was like Trent had reached the end of the spiral.
@brianbadonde9251
@brianbadonde9251 Місяць тому
And he's still alive lol. Like a moody teenager asking for attention
@benreynolds8928
@benreynolds8928 28 днів тому
​@brianbadonde9251 it's a concept album telling a story...
@jacktheartisan406
@jacktheartisan406 2 місяці тому
I'll always remember this quote from George Lucas. When ILM was making the Hoth Battle scene for The Empire Strikes Back, Joe Johnston (the storyboarder for the scene) was having a discussion with Lucas on what the scene should be (this was before the script was even finished). Lucas suggested that Johnston and company take influence from ice battle scene in the Sergie Eisenstein film Alexander Nevsky (1938). But Lucas speciffically instructed Johnston saying "I don't want it to look like this, I want it FEEL like this".
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher 22 дні тому
Which ended up making it more impactful!
@Shadow0464-ey9eh
@Shadow0464-ey9eh 2 місяці тому
Zack Snyder makes badass visuals and action scenes, but dear god if he's freaking awful at writing. Bro seriously needs actual competent writers to help him write good stories.
@jackwriter1908
@jackwriter1908 2 місяці тому
Too true
@Joselitty
@Joselitty 2 місяці тому
Agreed.
@indydiependaele2345
@indydiependaele2345 2 місяці тому
Also, his epic shots get overshadowed by his overuse of slow-motion. There is never a cool slowmo moment for me because he does it so often I get annoyed or burst out laughing each time
@megashark1013
@megashark1013 2 місяці тому
It is worth noting that the only two Snyder movies that credit him as the cinematographer are Rebel Moon and Army of the Dead. Rebel Moon feels like a parody, a reckless abuse of the style that Snyder is known for, and Army of the Dead is genuinely one of the most visually unpleasant movies I've ever watched. Just some food for thought.
@jackwriter1908
@jackwriter1908 2 місяці тому
@@megashark1013 Army of the Dead was so hyped up and when I watched it, it was just disappointing...
@DynaStaats
@DynaStaats 2 місяці тому
I laughed so hard when you talked about a Bug’s Life, because every time I sit down to watch a Bug’s Life I think, “Hey, why don’t I watch Galaxy Quest instead, it’s basically the same movie and it’s funnier.” So then I sit down to watch Galaxy Quest and immediately think, “Wait, let’s watch the Three Amigos instead, it’s basically the same movie and it’s funnier.” And then I’m happy I did because the “My Little Buttercup” scene makes me laugh every. single. time.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 2 місяці тому
bugs life IS seven samurai down to specific sentences
@matthewjohnson1891
@matthewjohnson1891 2 місяці тому
"Has the sweatest.....ehsmile" lol
@randomguy6679
@randomguy6679 2 місяці тому
Galaxy Quest is better than both of those movies
@brianbadonde9251
@brianbadonde9251 Місяць тому
​@@randomguy6679let's not get crazy
@DanceMonkeychg
@DanceMonkeychg 10 днів тому
@@brianbadonde9251 Yeah, people get upset if you're too truthful.
@jenniferc2597
@jenniferc2597 2 місяці тому
Related: it's easier to get away with lifting ideas in the 1970s with an audience that only has books and three channels of network TV than it is in 2023 when just about any piece of media made in the last fifty years is instantly available online. But as you say, some do it far better than others. :)
@Parker8752
@Parker8752 2 місяці тому
It's the difference between an excited "I see what you did there!" and a bored "I see what you did there..."
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 місяці тому
Every year as more stuff comes out, original ideas are harder to find!
@ulaznar
@ulaznar 2 місяці тому
But also it is easier to notice the copied ideas if the work copied is popular. And copying a work to make another in the same genre is a bad idea. Copying Star Wars to make a Star Wars movie/clone is the dumbest idea possible.
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 2 місяці тому
@@oliverford5367 You don't need originality for the sake of originality--trying too hard to outfox the audience just gives you the last season of Game of Thrones. People are okay with knowing where a story is going if the ride is fun, and the familiar beats are executed well. "Guardians of the Galaxy 3" is a good example--we kind of know where the story is going, and it's very obvious how it tugs on our heartstrings, but most people enjoyed it anyway because the story was told well, with sincerity and good performances.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 місяці тому
@@paulgibbon5991 On the other hand, Rebel Moon is familiar and people call it an SW rip off. There needs to be some originality in the premise.
@agrandcanyonoffucksgiven2776
@agrandcanyonoffucksgiven2776 2 місяці тому
Maybe Synder heard about Checkovs Gun, and made a movie determined to disprove that concept.
@half-lifer5761
@half-lifer5761 2 місяці тому
22:39 - I’m far from the first one to point this out, but that moment in FOTR is a beautiful demonstration of how to use slow motion correctly. Up to that point, Boromir’s fighting has been shown at normal speed to show off his strength and courage as he fights the Uruk-Hai. It gets our hopes up, as a flawed man strives to redeem himself after being tempted by the Ring (to the point of almost killing Frodo). Then the arrows start to pierce him, the scene goes into slow motion, and we realize that Boromir is doomed. The lingering reaction shots of him wincing in pain as each arrow hits home use slow motion to emphasize the tragedy and sorrow of a brave man paying with his life while trying to atone for his mistakes. The visual technique wasn’t used just because Peter Jackson thought it looked cool. It was used for specific, story-based reasons, which was why it had so much emotional impact. Another great example: the Matrix Trilogy. In the first movie, the shot of Morpheus staggering and falling after being punched into a bathroom wall by Agent Smith is in slow motion not just because the Wachowskis thought it looked cool, but because it emphasizes the peril our heroes face. In the sparring scene, we saw Morpheus mop the floor with Neo. So it’s jarring, and deeply frightening, to then see Morpheus get smacked around like a piñata - and the slow motion in that specific moment after Smith punches him and he flies backwards into the wall, collapsing to the floor in visible pain, helps emphasize that. Later, in the subway duel, the shots of Agent Smith punching holes in the concrete pillar are shown in slow motion - once again, to graphically display how overmatched Neo is and to heighten the tension. In the highway scene in Reloaded, there’s a slow motion shot in which Morpheus uses a katana to slice through the tires of the Albino Twins’ car, then spins around holding the sword in one hand while using the other to hold a Glock 18 while mag-dumping into the car’s gas tank as it flips over. The moment works so well not just because it looks cool, but because it’s the satisfying conclusion to an entire sequence in which the Twins have been relentlessly chasing Morpheus, Trinity, and the Keymaker; and almost killing them too many times to count. It’s a thrilling “yeah, how do ya like me now?!?” payoff after several minutes of unrelenting tension at the hands of two seemingly invincible enemies. In other words: take notes, Zack!
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 2 місяці тому
Meanwhile, in Rebel Moon: slo-mo farming!
@K.Arashi
@K.Arashi 2 місяці тому
there's probably a crossover fanfic out there that does what rebel moon wants to do, better than snyder ever could
@jojothebard6687
@jojothebard6687 2 місяці тому
I think the issue here is that Snyder took (and I do emphasize on the word, *took* ) from Seven Samurai and Star Wars is that both have different levels of stakes and scale. One takes place on the fate of a single village and the other on the fate of a galaxy. One intimate, the other on a *literally* universal scale. In isolation, either works. But when you push both into one story, It’s protecting a village *and* fighting an empire. Things don’t mesh. Like for instance, why does this village matter? Why does the empire want to take the surplus food from this one village when it supposedly has many other villages and vassals it could take resources from? Why does the empire wait for 10 weeks to attack the village and not just attack right now? Why should Kora even have any concern for this village, when her beef is more so with the empire than the safety of her village? But most importantly, why should I care about this tiny village in this wide-spanning galaxy? This movie seems way more interested in making a universe that *sounds* cool on paper, than a coherent one. But instead what is made is a world that is too vast to be intimate, but too shallow to explore anything. Or in other words: *wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle.*
@jenniferhanses
@jenniferhanses 2 місяці тому
Also worth considering that Luke looking at the planets was probably also inspired (intentionally or not) by Christina's World, a painting of a farm girl. With maybe a bit of Wizard of Oz thrown in in the acting. As far as I know, the girl in Rebel Moon CHOSE to be there, so that's not her emotion set.
@Edax_Royeaux
@Edax_Royeaux 2 місяці тому
Those weren't planets, those were suns.
@xaropevic7918
@xaropevic7918 2 місяці тому
@@Edax_Royeaux With something unusually unique added to the mix to top it off!
@jenniferhanses
@jenniferhanses 2 місяці тому
@@Edax_Royeaux Fair enough.
@TiberiusX
@TiberiusX 2 місяці тому
She didn't choose to be there, but she definitely doesn't want to leave
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Місяць тому
She was on the run. I don´t think she cared much about where she was, as loong as it was far enough from Imperial Forces. Deserter/fugitive/veteran/trauma survivor. So yeah, no, her mindset would have been a little different from Luke´s.
@aliminator1310
@aliminator1310 2 місяці тому
I'm always excited when "The Closer Look" uploads, I just find his takes so intriguing!
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 2 місяці тому
Glad you like them!
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 місяці тому
​@@TheCloserLookYou're about the only analyst who gets the level of abstraction right. I find Save the Cat/Hero's Journey structures too vague because they try to be all encompassing. You analyze things at the right level, seeing the patterns between things without trying to build universal structures: which aren't that useful.
@joshkaid
@joshkaid 2 місяці тому
Your explanation of "Inspiration vs Plagarism" is why I don't agree with people that Star Wars is a ripoff of Dune.
@QuinnLytleFilms
@QuinnLytleFilms 25 днів тому
It's also just not a rip off, people who say that have just outed themselves of having an extremely surface level understanding of storytelling. There's a desert planet. That's it. That's where the inspiration ends largely. Dune is a vastly different story than star wars.
@mailliww
@mailliww 19 днів тому
Yeah, it’s insane that people think that, and sometimes people even call Dune a rip off of Star Wars
@tenderandmoist5011
@tenderandmoist5011 16 днів тому
People who thinks Star Wars is a ripoff of Dune never read Dune lmao because HOW?
@Astral_tha_God
@Astral_tha_God 15 днів тому
I've never even seen Dune and I even know that's actual insanity. Things can be similar without being copies of the other
@docproc144
@docproc144 14 днів тому
@@mailliww Dune can’t be a rip off of Star Wars because the Dune novel came out over a decade before the first Star Wars film was released.
@rinsler1583
@rinsler1583 2 місяці тому
What I found interesting was that this isn’t just a Star Wars copy but a warhammer copy as well
@gotchewz
@gotchewz Місяць тому
Yeah, it feels more like Warhammer
@stormtraitor6545
@stormtraitor6545 День тому
I got MAJOR ‘Dune’ vibes from it. A poor man’s ‘Dune’… even David Lynch’s version is still far superior.
@Johnny-Thunder
@Johnny-Thunder 2 місяці тому
A while ago I decided to read the Barsoom series, the adventures of John Carter on Mars, by Edgar Rice Burroughs. When reading it I constantly thought: 'oh, so that is where George Lucas got that from...'.
@originaluddite
@originaluddite 2 місяці тому
It is said that the eventual John Carter Of Mars movie was made way too late, because by then everyone had already ripped off the books for their own movies.
@Johnny-Thunder
@Johnny-Thunder 2 місяці тому
@@originaluddite I think the Barsoom series could still be made into a tv series, covering all the eleven books, if it were made by a director who has a passion for the source material, like Peter Jackson had for Lord of the Rings.
@originaluddite
@originaluddite 2 місяці тому
@@Johnny-Thunder I really should read some of them. I've only read some of his Pellucidar stuff.
@lastfullast8819
@lastfullast8819 29 днів тому
And not only Lucas. When I was reading about Atmosphere Factory, I immediately remembered ‘Total Recall’ ending.
@Johnny-Thunder
@Johnny-Thunder 29 днів тому
@@lastfullast8819 It's a shame then that Edgar Rice Burroughs is not generally remembered as the founder of science-fiction in the way Tolkien is to fantasy.
@WRMGRLS
@WRMGRLS 2 місяці тому
using the screenwipe transition at 5:57 after mentioning it earlier was so good and made me chuckle
@TiberiusX
@TiberiusX 2 місяці тому
It's not Star Wars without a screenwipe.
@eineperson9849
@eineperson9849 2 місяці тому
Wake up babe, funny movie man just posted!
@rajaryan-fe1oy
@rajaryan-fe1oy 2 місяці тому
Damm you beat me to it
@kingoftherevolution4855
@kingoftherevolution4855 2 місяці тому
I didn't know those movie existed at all somehow, and just seeing the title here now i thought "did i somehow miss a whole star wars movie coming out?"
@gwynn2528
@gwynn2528 2 місяці тому
I remember Trent Reznor said “Hurt use to be my favorite NIN song, now it’s my favorite Johnny Cash.”. Cash really did right by that song.
@nacidocoqui
@nacidocoqui 2 місяці тому
16:18... wait a damn minute... that's the Three Amigos! 😮
@erich6316
@erich6316 2 місяці тому
But with insects
@mrfacestab5758
@mrfacestab5758 27 днів тому
It’s The Bug’s Life.
@swoozie
@swoozie 2 місяці тому
I, so badly, wanted this movie to be good. Visuals were really awesome but other than that… wow.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Місяць тому
The worst pancake pile of stale cliches and stereotypes and overused tropes ever. The introduction with the honest, friendly, serene, good poor innocent farmer village...blaargghs, guys, really, give me a break, this is not what a hardworking life looks like, not remotely. ....
@damiantirado9616
@damiantirado9616 Місяць тому
Not surprising Zack Snyder is an awful filmmaker.
@har5814
@har5814 Місяць тому
Zack needs a better scriptwriter.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 Місяць тому
@@har5814 Zack needs a scriptwriter.
@eyeONE_Official
@eyeONE_Official 2 місяці тому
12:52 Steve Jobs says "good artists copy, great artists steal." But the original quote at 13:05 says "great poets imitate (synonym for "copy"), whereas small ones steal". I think Jobs misunderstood the quote or mixed it up.
@edwardgyan7586
@edwardgyan7586 Місяць тому
Can't believe no one picked up on this. Two very different quotes.
@SuperLuis225
@SuperLuis225 2 місяці тому
One of my favourite creators is hideo kojima, and he himself admitted being inspired by "escape from New york, " "terminator," and "full metal jacket," which he used to create metal gear. If you play the metal gear games having seen these movies, it's very clear where he took inspiration... ...that being said, he didnt JUST do "escape from new york" but kojimas version, which is why metal gear is a beloved franchise
@RAFMnBgaming
@RAFMnBgaming Місяць тому
Kojima admitting he might have been inspired by late 20th century american cinema is the understatement of the last two centuries.
@josephlobosco3647
@josephlobosco3647 2 місяці тому
Thanks for reminding the audience that all plot points are a variation on a theme. "Creativity is not having ideas pop out of nowhere.... Creativity is making connections between already existing ideas that nobody has made before..." I absolutely love it? Thanks a million!
@hughmongus6959
@hughmongus6959 2 місяці тому
This video was the most helpful to me yet! I've been so afraid of copying others in my project that I usually avoid seeing other media altogether, for fear that they'll taint any "original" ideas I have. The more I tie ideas into my project, the more I realize it's been done before, and the more discouraged I get! But you've given me a new perspective on it now. I'll try to accept inspiration from now on, while conveying my ideas in my own way! Thanks for the advice
@ninakrishnamurthy6674
@ninakrishnamurthy6674 11 днів тому
Some of the greatest stories ever told have been the result of writers wanting to put their own spin on a particular idea. An example, one of my favorite books of last year was Tress of the Emerald Sea by Brandon Sanderson. Sanderson has been open about his inspiration for the book- namely that he watched The Princess Bride with his wife and was disappointed by how inactive a character Buttercup was (he still loved the movie; put the pitchforks down). So he wondered: "What would happen in the Princess Bride if, after hearing that Wesley got kidnapped by pirates Buttercup set out to rescue him"? And that was the basic inspiration for Tress of the Emerald Sea, but the whole is so much more than the sum of its parts! So don't be afraid to take inspiration, my friend. Rebel Moon fails not merely because it copied Star Wars, but because it does so without doing anything interesting of its own.
@HalfTangible
@HalfTangible 2 місяці тому
12:47 Adding something to your story because it's cool is like throwing a pit of paint at a wall because you like the color red. Okay, cool, you've got red on your wall, but you need to finish painting the rest of the wall so it fits together. Otherwise all you've got is a splatter. There's nothing necessarily wrong with adding something just because it's cool, but you need to fill in the story around it to fit with that.
@craigmudge6078
@craigmudge6078 2 місяці тому
20:17 that small but subtle Windows XP log off sound effect killed me hahaha
@maxis2k
@maxis2k 2 місяці тому
Gladiator is a perfect example of this because it took a lot of inspiration from Kubrick's Spartacus. There's a lot of shared concepts and character arcs. But it didn't just copy scenes and story beats. It innovated upon the original concept and did something different. And few people even noticed the similarities. That's the point. Take inspiration, then innovate. Do not imitate.
@LegendarySkypenis
@LegendarySkypenis Місяць тому
That arc is fucking trash what are you talking about. Every character arc while she was recruiting was incredibly stupid and shallow. Christ I've never been so bored.
@ArchangelMichael94
@ArchangelMichael94 2 місяці тому
Holy cow! How did I never see the Bug's Live and 7 Samurai connection 😂
@joelreynolds63
@joelreynolds63 Місяць тому
23:32 that's a good point. Synder fundamentally does not respect other movies or artists. There were all those BvS and Watchmen interviews where he talks about how he didn't care about comic books unless they has sex or rape scenes in them. Or how "Batman could get raped in prison on my movie" He really has then juvenile belief that art isn't important unless it's 'mature' and his definition of mature is just violence, or as it was eleuently put "cool scenes" He thinks that is the highest form of cinema and they just KEEP GIVING HIM MONEY
@stormtraitor6545
@stormtraitor6545 День тому
“[Zack Snyder] didn’t care about comic books unless they have sex or rape scenes in them.” Thank God he never got the job to adapt Garth Ennis’ ‘The Boys’! Can you imagine how much more awful it would be if he did?
@asylumprophet
@asylumprophet 2 місяці тому
This video brings to mind how Heart of Darkness, Apocalypse Now, and then Spec Ops: the Line each pulled so directly from the one before it. Maybe it had more to do with taking advantage of their medium, or just adapting the same story to the contemporary. But it's interesting to see the juxtaposition between them.
@maxthepaladin2147
@maxthepaladin2147 2 місяці тому
In this example we can also see what The Closer Look is talking about HoD and AN (I'm not familiar with Spec Ops so I can't say anything about it) have the same plot of "a guy makes his way down a river in search of a charismatic mad genius lost in a crazy, savage land". However, not only Apocalypse adapts it wisely to a new setting (as in, makes sure the plot doesn't feel out of place), but both stories use the plot to explore different themes: while they both explore the idea of losing oneself in the wild, Heart of Darkness is also about the dark side of European colonialism, while Apocalypse Now is about the senseless brutality of Vietnam War. Rebel Moon is the plot of Seven Samurai copied and pasted into a space opera setting without any consideration of how much it changes the situation. As a result the whole thing is disjointed and messy. For example: the idea of defeating a gang of XVI-century bandits by hiring a handful of capable warriors? Believable and reasonable. Defeating a garrison of a galaxy-spanning empire with the same strategy? Yeah, you have a week before more more soldiers come and they nuke your village from orbit. TLDR: the difference between stealing a plot to tell your own story and just stealing a plot
@ChristopherCopeland
@ChristopherCopeland 2 місяці тому
I have another six minutes in the video, but I wanted to write this while I was thinking about it. I think this movie is the one that finally showed me exactly why Zack Snyder does have Talent as a Director, but why he is utterly at sea in a rowboat as a writer. He does have the ability to identify moments and sequences from things that he likes, and can replicate much of the pacing and aesthetic and style of those things he likes, but this only works well from a directorial perspective if you actually have a narrative which functions in a beautifully impactful, cohesive way before you ever have to commit it to the screen. For example, if he were given a script of rebel moon that was an excellent story, I think his ability to reference and hijack elements from other things would serve to elevate the subject matter as it is translated into a visual medium. But when he is coming up with the story as if** it is already just a storyboard for a visual translation**, it completely disintegrates because there is nothing underneath it. It’s like he’s an architect who tried to build a building without ever hiring a single engineer. Not the best approach for building a building which has any utility outside of inevitably killing everyone inside of it.
@Ssosmooth69
@Ssosmooth69 2 місяці тому
As someone who is writing my own book, I find George Lucas so inspiring. When he made Star Wars, he just made a version of all the things he liked. You could feel the love and passion for his interests in Star Wars. I love that part of Lucas. No matter how insane bad his writing was, you could feel the love and creativity for his art on screen.
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 2 місяці тому
Sincerity is so underestimated as a key part of good scripts.
@Necroxion
@Necroxion 2 місяці тому
13:11 fun fact: the background music for the MTV "don't pirate stuff" ad was itself pirated to use in the ad
@jojodelacroix
@jojodelacroix 2 місяці тому
I love the way you put the person reading a quote at the bottom as well as their channels icon. Ive always hated having to cross reference who was reading it. Especially if its someone whose voice i recognized. A lot of people are getting better about this but i like yours the best so far since it highlights the person reading it. Feels less like a neat little cameo and more like a way to help cross-promote if only just a smidge.
@starc0unter
@starc0unter 2 місяці тому
8:09 is an absolutely brilliant but of insight. I enjoy how the creative side works when writing, but connecting ideas, and making them matter to the characters and also remain narratively relevant, is honestly pretty hard. It's easy to get caught up in cool moments (short stories / films are a great medium for this IMO) but when done right, they are super satisfying. I appreciate that video essayists break this down, it helps with the learning aspect and also identifying it in other creative media. Great video as always!
@Nameless-pt6oj
@Nameless-pt6oj 2 місяці тому
This is like divine intervention. I had this on my mind.
@laurenneblett986
@laurenneblett986 2 місяці тому
I watched Rebel Moon stoned with my dad and I got the vibe that every scene was written, directed, and edited by a different group of film students as a $166 million end of term project.
@stephenfitzgerald9769
@stephenfitzgerald9769 14 днів тому
Hildegard von Blingen’s Bardcore rendition of ‘Hurt’ was very good and unique also. The accompanying artwork links the song to a kingly character (possibly The King of the Dead from LotR) who has passed into death and un-death, lamenting his betrayal of his allies and the ruination of his kingdom. The lyrics “my empire of dirt” hit a bit different in that version.
@edwardcardona717
@edwardcardona717 2 місяці тому
Zack Snyder is the filmmaker version of a little kid playing with action figures. This approach worked well in a movie like 300, where the entire thing was centered around badass Spartans fighting a specific battle against the odds. He had a loose idea to work with and nothing concrete to base things on, so going for cool moments was, well, cool. However, the DC superheroes have very specific, lengthy, varied, and nuanced backstories that have been in the hands of countless creatives who have all contributed their ideas on who Superman and Batman are at their core. But Zack Snyder is still smashing his action figures together, so he needs to have them fight for some reason and look very cool. He ignored all the complexities and facets of these characters and just went for aesthetic. This is also what happened in Justice League, even though his cut was better than Whedon’s, it was still an incomplete movie that shoved a bunch of characters together that almost nobody knew yet so that there could be cool moments and a reason to introduce more films. Each of these other characters needed their own films and their own space to breathe. Even Superman and Batman hadn’t gotten a chance to breathe and be people yet, and now here’s a bunch of other people you don’t know, let’s watch them fight Steppenwolf and the Parademons! There’s so much depth to be had, and Zack Snyder fundamentally misunderstands that at every turn. 300 didn’t need that. But superheroes need at least a little bit.
@GreenPeelEL34
@GreenPeelEL34 Місяць тому
Brilliantly put.👍
@75aces97
@75aces97 Місяць тому
I'd add that Snyder doesn't appear to understand dramatic stakes. His DC movies were ambitious in elaborating on the heroes' capabilities, but there's no sense of what's in the balance if they fail. Instead it's stories with false starts and shifting motivations.
@Halucygeno
@Halucygeno 2 місяці тому
This writing philosophy of "see a bunch of cool things you like and copy them into your story with no cohesion" has been annoying me for years now, ESPECIALLY when the work in question professes to be "heavily inspired by" or "a spiritual sequel to" something, yet borrows its most superficial, visual elements. Roadside Picnic is my favourite sci-fi novel and a genuine literary masterpiece, but the pop-culture discourse around it has turned it into little more than a moody aesthetic. Today, whenever someone says they're "inspired by Roadside Picnic", it basically means "my story will have a spooky field where supernatural stuff happens" - themes, philosophy and compelling character arcs be damned.
@annika3265
@annika3265 2 місяці тому
There's an episode of Clone Wars where Anakin and Obiwan end up in a farming planet where the people are being tormented by space pirates, the people on the planet hired some mercenaries to fight off the pirates but eventually they realize they can't depend on mercenaries to keep the pirates away forever and so it's decided that Anakin and Obiwan are going to teach the farmers how to fight so they can defend themselves from the pirates and any other threat that comes to the planet. There's a lot of interesting questions that this episode raises like, is it really a good idea to introduce warfare to a society that was so peaceful before? They'll use it to defend themselves now but will they use it to attack others in the future? Rebel Moon seems to me like a more dilluted and hurried version of that one episode of Clone Wars.
@lukedalton
@lukedalton Місяць тому
Not considering the fact that Hondo (the pirate and recurring character that was the villain of the episode) was a much much better villain that general whatever in Rebel Moon
@whysoserious652
@whysoserious652 11 днів тому
you mean seven samurai.
@annika3265
@annika3265 7 днів тому
@@whysoserious652 Yeah, as far as I'm concerned that episode of Clone Wars (went back to check, it's called Bounty Hunters) is the definitive sci-fi adaptation of seven samurai for me. Filoni used to be so good, I don't know how but Disney found a way to suck all the talent out of him.
@whysoserious652
@whysoserious652 7 днів тому
@@annika3265 wait till upcoming projects drops: 1. Harvey weinstein's ex personal assistant's show, 2. grand jedi master samurai knight King Kong godzilla Rey movie. 3. Mando and grogu movie (even after the disaster of bo katan show aka mando s3).😑😑😑 Disney kept milking star wars without zero creativity and efforts.
@DKMarioplayR
@DKMarioplayR 2 місяці тому
Creativity is the art of hiding your information.
@denisl2760
@denisl2760 2 місяці тому
I've always liked the dialog between the fighter pilots in A New Hope (and Rogue 1), it just seemed more realistic than what you see in other star wars movies where its more like a bunch of teenagers making sarcastic quips at each other. The tone is serious and professional, they're communicating useful information. The fact that its lifted from a WW2 movie word for word doesn't surprise me.
@Emmyschannel806
@Emmyschannel806 8 днів тому
What? Which Star Wars movie has pilots sounding like sarcastic teenagers other then the shitty ST?
@SagaciousBoothe
@SagaciousBoothe 2 місяці тому
Henry, I had to come back to comment. After I watched your video I looked up an interview with Paul Simon (from Simon and Garfunkle ) about songwriting. He talks about writing Bridge over Troubled Water and He was like "Well this part I took from Bach, This part I took from this gospel group, this part I took from this Skat singer..." But your analysis gives it more context. In all of the parts he took, he innovated creatively. Another Steve jobs quote is: "The only true creation is connecting things together" which I feel is what you were saying Much love!
@HaploidCell
@HaploidCell 2 місяці тому
God, that scene from Mos Esley. I think the fake CGI dinosaur mounts are actually different fake CGI dinosaur mounts than the last time I saw this. He changed it TWICE?
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 2 місяці тому
he changed it a lot more than twice. I wouldn't mind D+ having a whole large options menu for which version of star wars you want to watch given how much George fucked around fwiw I remember a version of them just driving in and the "several shorts of them dodging shit in mos eisley with comic relief in all of them" version, which I think was part of the "low poly jabba" 20 year remaster
@half-lifer5761
@half-lifer5761 2 місяці тому
10:44 - look at Top Gun: Maverick. The final act of that film is very similar to the Death Star trench run from A New Hope. But it’s still awesome, because TG:M made the effort to justify its own existence with its own unique characters, intense emotional impact, memorable dialogue, and resonant themes, ideas, and lessons. It has many similarities to Star Wars (and, of course, to the original Top Gun) but it’s still a different story.
@SpacemanSR
@SpacemanSR 2 місяці тому
your breakdown of creativity, connections, and even "Hurt" by Cash, is so good
@edenmckinley3472
@edenmckinley3472 2 місяці тому
Honestly, the Star Wars-Gladiator blend could be a genius story. Maybe instead of defending her village, Cora’s goal could be revenge on the empire. She recruits all of the cool side characters because all of them have two things in common: nothing left to live for, and a grudge against the empire. But instead of bringing them all together in a Justice League style team-up, she has them work separately so that the empire has the impression of multiple rebellions, not just one. So we have a gladiator story, a samurai story, a How To Train Your Dragon story, and a Star Wars story all rolled into one cohesive, glorious “fuck you, evil empire”. It could be great. Also, there is a shortage of female strategic masterminds in mainstream entertainment, and I think changing Cora’s character to be more of a strategist would make her stand out against a backdrop of skilled fighters. Great video, as always!
@christophermoonlightproduction
@christophermoonlightproduction 2 місяці тому
Very good video BUT I can't believe you got all the way through it without talking about Battle Beyond The Stars from Roger Corman, who was the first person to say "What if we crossed Star Wars with Seven Samurai?" OR talk about The Three Amigos, which is where A Bug's Life got its bumbling actors turned heroes slant.
@ItsSully0_0
@ItsSully0_0 Місяць тому
My dad has been saying the thing about Star Wars being basically just The Hidden Fortress in a different font for YEARS now and for some reason I never looked into it. Thank you for finally making me understand exactly what he was talking about! Great video as always! 👏👏👏
@AC-dk4fp
@AC-dk4fp Місяць тому
not really because he makes the common mistake of assuming that Princess Leia is based on the Princess from The Hidden Fortress when its Luke who is. Han, Chewbacca and Leia have no counterpart and the plot is basically completely different by the time they get to the Death Star when it starts ripping of a different Kurosawa film (Tsubaki Sanjuro) until it just turns into Dam Busters.
@JulioLenin88
@JulioLenin88 2 місяці тому
12:05 That's what Snyder loves to do. In BVS, it was more than obvious he saw Mad Max: Fury on Road and wanted to incorporate the desert theme but didn't know how to incorporate it well, so the result was a badly put dream sequence with Batman on broad daylight looking ridiculous.
@butchdeadlift10
@butchdeadlift10 2 місяці тому
12:03 I try to only steal 1 to 1 from things that failed miserably. Example: In the movie Ultra Violet with Mila Jovavich, they had disposable cell phones you can print from a vending machine. That is neat. Movie sucked but that is neat. And no one has popularized it since. I want to use that and see where it goes Another: the cyclops in the movie Krull (from what I remember) gave up his eye to see every day of his future until the day he dies. That is neat. No one seems to have used it. You get the idea.
@StofenThe1st
@StofenThe1st 2 місяці тому
Well burner phones are a thing, they're just in a store and not in a vending machine.
@butchdeadlift10
@butchdeadlift10 2 місяці тому
@@StofenThe1st Thanks. I did not know that.
@GrumpiestElf
@GrumpiestElf 2 місяці тому
What you’re saying about the cyclops actually reminds me of norse mythology, specifically Odin sacrificing an eye to gain “divine wisdom”(which can very easily and I think has been twisted into being able to foresee the future to some degree, depending on the media, I would not be surprised). It’s not 1for1 the same ofc, but the similarity is neat nonetheless.
@JoeSyxpack
@JoeSyxpack 2 місяці тому
I thought the cyclops in Krull got a bad deal and all he could see in the future was his own death? Also, Krull was very nearly an amazing movie. There's a lot of good ideas (the Glaive is an awesome weapon) unfortunately some of them don't serve the story well and other ideas aren't thought out well enough. It needed a few tweaks to really make something solid.
@butchdeadlift10
@butchdeadlift10 2 місяці тому
@@JoeSyxpack Thank you for correcting me. I actually appreciate that. But, I will take this opportunity to demonstrate my favorite anecdote: "Misinterpretation is an ally to creativity". I swear, most art can be credited to misinterpretation of something else.
@JamesTateWilson
@JamesTateWilson 2 місяці тому
Great video, was shocked you didn't mention Magnificent Seven when talking about Seven Samurai.
@BalCleric
@BalCleric Місяць тому
5:00 - 633 Squadron also has some very close Trench Run parallels and is often cited by folk. I love De Havilland Mosquitoes and so should everyone else.
@RusPitman
@RusPitman 2 місяці тому
One of my cats did a massive spew on the carpet tonight. Like it ate an entire serving of tinned food in one go and just vomited it all up again in the middle of the hall. Having to clean that up was more enjoyable than sitting through this movie.
@carrained
@carrained 2 місяці тому
😹😹😹 Glad I turned this movie off, I was soooo bored
@TeddyB3ARGaming
@TeddyB3ARGaming 2 місяці тому
I was part of an international program in HS where we do research and write essays and so on. These essays would get marked by foreign professors and certificated educators. One rule we had was if your essay exceeds 12% similarity of one source, it’s plagiarism.
@lidaw.5145
@lidaw.5145 Місяць тому
wait-how was the 12% calculated? this sounds like an interesting method
@pacomg_2553
@pacomg_2553 3 дні тому
Would that be the IB?
@singleplayer9773
@singleplayer9773 2 місяці тому
Rebel moon feels like, no, is definitely a rushed one shot ttrpg campaign where the dm has spent weeks planning each character introduction scene > waste too much time on one character > remember that they are promising a one shot > rushes through every thing else.
@Musing_Macabre
@Musing_Macabre 2 місяці тому
For me, Snyder peaked with "Dawn of the Dead" and I'm sure that is in large part due to him not being the writer. Glad I didn't waste my time with this one, though I can't help but wonder if he borrowed anything from the low-budget king of Star Wars/Seven Samurai rip offs, "Battle Beyond the Stars" (1980). I half expected to see that movie show up in your video. ;)
@StriderStryker
@StriderStryker 2 місяці тому
Wouldn’t be a surprise if Disney sues them for copying their homework.
@rivendells_shona
@rivendells_shona 2 місяці тому
Disney: “You’re trying to kidnap that which I have rightfully stolen.”
@ieatbugs8948
@ieatbugs8948 21 день тому
Well, Rebel Moon was originally written to be an R rated Star Wars movie, but Disney rejected it because they didnt WANT to make an R rated star wars movie. Another producer wanted the rights though, so Snyder decided to change some details and make it anyway. It might've been pretty dope if the original vision wasn't changed
@steprockmedia
@steprockmedia 2 місяці тому
Great essay! Rebel Moon was so bad that I was literally predicting scenes before they started. A movie with Kora, the robot, and maybe a farmer would be a much better film! You're right there. (Though, I would argue that A Bug's Life is actually The Three Amigos.)
@JoseJimenez-fc6pu
@JoseJimenez-fc6pu 2 місяці тому
Crazy to think that if Lucas had made Flash Gordon, there may never have been a Star Wars.
@astalavista7251
@astalavista7251 18 днів тому
The funny thing is that there is so much star wars mythos that isn't Canon anymore and so is being forgotten AND never having been made it to film. He could have taken from any of that and few would have noticed and perhaps fewer would have cared. Oh, thanks for the book recommendation. 😊
@half-lifer5761
@half-lifer5761 2 місяці тому
16:09 - you’re totally right!! Bug’s Life was one of my favorite childhood movies, and I hadn’t even considered this until you brought it up. Thanks so much! 😄 PS: Hopper is still one of the best Pixar villains of all time. Yes, I will die on this hill.
@LorenzoCassaro
@LorenzoCassaro 19 днів тому
No need to die on it, because we all agree with you.
@jessetorres8738
@jessetorres8738 2 місяці тому
Meanwhile, 17 sequels, prequels, & tv films later & yet Episode 4 A New Hope is still the best Star Wars film.
@Moongrum158
@Moongrum158 2 місяці тому
Strange that you'd be an OT believer (I am too) and forget that Empire exists. 😂
@rogerkincaid931
@rogerkincaid931 2 місяці тому
It's _Empire._
@bigdaddyflavortown4606
@bigdaddyflavortown4606 2 місяці тому
*Impressive, most impressive*
@skeletor6287
@skeletor6287 2 місяці тому
I believe you misspelt empire strike back
@Jay-xr3sb
@Jay-xr3sb 2 місяці тому
Empire by far
@exoterric
@exoterric 2 місяці тому
12:45 nailhead, meet hammer. "but only if it managed to break free from the shadow of the movie that inspired it"
@Mr.Possums
@Mr.Possums 2 місяці тому
Man I can't wait on your Shogun video. I'm absolutely sure we'll see that!
@comfyMer
@comfyMer 2 місяці тому
Something worth noting is that Halo Reach also took the idea of 7 Samurai (they were going to do 7 Spartan's and Noble 8)... but they DID remove some extra characters because they couldn't squeeze them all in.
@Mayank-sl3bb
@Mayank-sl3bb 2 місяці тому
Hey, can we get an analysis on Person Of Interest? I know it's a TV Show, but it was ahead of its time.
@hairywolfman3160
@hairywolfman3160 2 місяці тому
My co-writer asked me to watch rebel moon cause I hadn't heard of it, and it was just so hollow. Couldn't get into it. Love your channel and loved the cameo by Hello Future Me!!
@Carreau-sama
@Carreau-sama 2 місяці тому
We also already had a good retelling of seven samurai in a sci-fi eske anime in the early 2000s called Samurai 7.
@frostygecko
@frostygecko 2 місяці тому
Somehow feel more connected to this video review when you show the exact same keyboard I daily drive....
@normalgraham
@normalgraham 2 місяці тому
You know, it's worth noting that A New Hope was the only Star Wars film to feature realistic flight combat chatter and it just so happens to be the one ripping off all its dialogue from another movie. I always thought it was interesting how nuanced the world of Star Wars was, but the longer it exists the less realistic it gets
@John-fk2ky
@John-fk2ky 2 місяці тому
Check out the old EU books. It works pretty well. If you want fighter pilot stuff, check out the X-Wing series.
@Azradok
@Azradok 16 днів тому
Sucks you probably won't see this, but, even Einstein said, "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
@kalash1167
@kalash1167 2 дні тому
The human brain do not make a completely new thing out of nothing, it took from something they know then twist it so in a way became something new. When making art we still took inspirations from the real world we can't make a new thing out of nothing.
@Azradok
@Azradok 2 дні тому
@@kalash1167 Just say it like Sir Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”
@kalash1167
@kalash1167 21 годину тому
@@Azradok you know a lot of quotes from scientist.
@Azradok
@Azradok 15 годин тому
@@kalash1167 I have a PhD in physics. It comes with the territory :)
@kalash1167
@kalash1167 14 годин тому
@@Azradok you're smart,do you write any paper?
@sputnick9762
@sputnick9762 2 місяці тому
I really liked the editing in this video! Good job!
@prodPavka
@prodPavka 2 місяці тому
Glad I found your channel. Love the interesting insights to movies and writing!
@coelhovinicius140
@coelhovinicius140 2 місяці тому
creativity is about creating. mashing ideas together is just that.
@Katarn84
@Katarn84 2 місяці тому
"[Rebel Moon's characters] are all equally valuable to the story", as in not at all. Just a bunch of cardboard standees.
@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244
@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244 2 місяці тому
One of my creative writting mentors once said "All artist are thieves; the good ones will create something new, the best will make you forget they're thieves in the first place". Now i know where he picked that up.
@swinefloo
@swinefloo 2 місяці тому
I've been so curious to see your take on this! I hold your videos in high regards. Thanks, man
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 2 місяці тому
Thanks, glad you like them!
@user-yv2cz8oj1k
@user-yv2cz8oj1k 2 місяці тому
Didn't Lucas also rip off Dune and the Judarowsky Dune source book that Hollywood was passing around and stealing ideas from.
@babblingbrooke
@babblingbrooke 2 місяці тому
I was so confused that we just left part of the group in the village. it would have made so much sense that half the group was already assembled with Kora, the grain guy, the Jimmy bot, the kind soldier, and even the young sweet girl who bonded with the bot. but nope, only kora and grain guy go (i literally cant even remember his name or anyone else from the final group) I know the next movie will bring them back, but it felt so weird to develop these relationships to the point I thought for sure they were going to be the main crew only to drop them for the next movie and force the audience to care about a completely new set of people. Even Den! he's described as a great hunter and it seems like they were trying out a love triangle situation with him, kora, and grain guy, so including him could have been interesting as well. It can work in other stories, but the fact that the entire group are basically strangers just doesn't work in getting me to care about them. they have no connection to each other so why would I care about any of them. Its been said a good story can be ruined by bad characters, and good characters can make a bad story worth watching. this movie failed on both fronts
@OctEddie
@OctEddie 2 місяці тому
It was amazing Snyder tried to set up a love triangle that…was straight up abandoned in five minutes.
@RoguePlutonia
@RoguePlutonia Місяць тому
Two other things I will add: Reading and knowing history are equally important in storytelling! As a reader of sci-fi, I've started to notice so many similarities with Star Wars. it's not crazy to say a young George Lucas would have read these same classic sci-fi (and fantasy) novels. For example, I'm reading Ursula Le Guin's stuff. In one of her books (the left hand of darkness), there is a literal land that is called the Sith ! In her Earthsea fantasy series, there are wizards (duh), but the topic of light vs dark, good vs evil, is very prevalent. In another Le Guin novel, the Word for World is Forest, the Athsheans are literally described like the Ewoks from SW (mind you this book came out in 1972)! This is also the book that seems to have inspired James Cameron's Avatar (it's literaly the exact same story). There's also huge inspiration from the Dune books, and Asimov's Foundation (heavy emphasis on politics, mention of an Emperor, mention of a planet called Corellia, mention of Inquisitors, etc.). There's also the typical hero's journey from The Hobbit (hesistant hero gets pulled into an adventure and has an old wizard as a mentor). So George knows his classics (or at least his writing team did as well). This also includes the truest of the classics, the Odyssey and the Illiad. There are also sooooo many cool historical events, some that are super unknown to the wider public, and as a history student I have jotted down so many ideas from the stuff I learn in school or read in articles. Watching movies to get visual inspiration is one thing. Reading books to understand proper storytelling is another. Knowing history to base your stuff in reality pulls everything together! I only watched Rebel Moon for Charlie Hunnam
@noneofyourbusiness5326
@noneofyourbusiness5326 Місяць тому
As an author with a half-finished novel, you inspire me to pick up pen again and keep refining and finishing my story with the wisdom you pass on to me.
@glenharris9366
@glenharris9366 2 місяці тому
Great video! I didn't realise quite just how much Lucas derived from for A New Hope, but I think that's part of why Rebel Moon is so criticised. Back when A New Hope came out, people didn't have such open access to every film ever (or analysis of every film ever) like we do today. Unless you'd just seen Dambusters before watching A New Hope, or happened to recognise something similar and have a copy at home that you could play to check, you wouldn't have known it was derivative. And even if you did realise, it's not like that had social media to tell everyone all about it. And let's face it, films like Dambusters never had, arguably couldn't have, the rabid fanbases like certain big franchises do today. Star Wars got away with it back then because it could. Today's filmmakers have to be far more subtle in pulling from their inspirations, just because audiences are far larger and far more connected to media than they ever used to be. It doesn't change the point you're making, but it's interesting how the context of the era something comes out can have such an impact on it's reception.
@Harutson
@Harutson 17 днів тому
the lack of rabid fanbases cuts both ways. people take from star wars to enjoy its mass appeal. lucas took from dambusters despite its lack of appeal, because it inspired him. similar to tarantino taking things from obscure films due to their content, not marketability.
@MrWillypanda88
@MrWillypanda88 2 місяці тому
Snyder started his career as music video director. What do you expect? His talent is all about "cool moments" and that's it.
@purplehax1091
@purplehax1091 11 днів тому
honestly james was the only character i was invested in he was so mysterious i loved him. And Tbh this movie made me want Djimon Honsou to play a live action Kratos
@psycthom
@psycthom 14 днів тому
Great, GREAT video - I couldn't agree more with the overall thesis 2 thoughts: I'm not sure if you outright said this but even if you simply aim to sample 6,000 different story elements this will create a natural process of unifying by theme/overarching story even if you don't do it purposefully. 2nd thought is that when a story gets lifted put put in a really weird setting or different genre this process of making it fit also naturally puts a twist of theme. It's so interesting how Dam Busters was 'homaged' in A New Hope yet by making the story sci-fi, based on a Death Star etc. I (assume) Dam Busters doesn't have The Force so even though both films are about heroically overcoming an enemy Star Wars sneaks in a theme of (Jedi) faith into the mix.
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