How powerful is Elrond?
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@InDeepGeek Місяць тому
This is a revised and updated version of a video first published in August 2021.
@PiscatorLager Місяць тому
Ah, sounded so familiar to me. Still, well done!
@markusvlad7217 Місяць тому
Mr. Frodoo....
@minibro73 Місяць тому
Can you give a quick summary of how your view on the topic changed when you revise older videos like this one ?
@bbgun061 Місяць тому
The 'magic' in Tolkein's legendarium isn't like the magic in other fantasy stories. In many of those, an aspiring wizard can learn new spells and gain powers he did not previously have. But we don't really see that in Middle Earth. Rather, I think that certain characters have innate supernatural abilities instead of magic. They can learn and hone these abilities, becoming masters of their craft. They can even put their supernatural power into physical objects. But it always starts with them having these innate supernatural abilities based on who they are. The Maiar, the Elves, the Rangers, all have amounts of power equal proportionate to their race. Ordinary men, dwarves, and hobbits don't really have any supernatural power, although they can use 'magic' items. And some of them can resist more powerful beings, like Farmer Maggot telling the ringwaith to be gone.
@jackdavis855 Місяць тому
Sounds the same to me but still interesting!
@alexiachimciuc3199 Місяць тому
Dodging bullets , multiplying himself, punching concrete and flying.
@dagradaedelot Місяць тому
Agent elrond
@masterofdizzzaster Місяць тому
He's also bulletproof, like ideas
@tempodan Місяць тому
Mr. Bagginson 🕴🏽
@Matthew10950 Місяць тому
Tell me, what good are elf songs when you don't have the ability...to speak?
@kleuafflatus Місяць тому
That's why I thought Hugo weaving an odd choice for Elrond in the beginning. I imagine Elrond to be a wise but powerful man figure, very similar that to gandalf in terms of demeanor but visibly younger. He's a bit too intense if you ask me, especially the scene when he gave the sword to Aragorn. But then of course he is Elrond now, beside a bit too intense, he's perfect
@simonrudduck8726 Місяць тому
Hugo Weaving deserves huge respect for such an iconic performance.
@CryptidRenfri 22 дні тому
One of the GOATS of acting imo
@fydofire Місяць тому
All his power couldn't stop me from laughing in cinema when Frodo woke up and looked into Agent Smiths smiling face.
@renferal5290 Місяць тому
LOL
@robburkhard9256 Місяць тому
What can we say, it was a good time:)
@StrangerNoises Місяць тому
"Misster Underhill. It appears you've been leading two lives..."
@raymondcoventry1221 Місяць тому
Agent Elrond: Humanity is a disease on Middle-Earth, we Elves are the cure.
@martinzyka6432 Місяць тому
@@StrangerNoisesyou made my day with this 😂😂😂
@brianmessemer2973 Місяць тому
Acknowledgements to Hugo Weaving who embodied Elrond so very convincingly and with great natural authority. The man played Elrond and Smith, two so very opposite characters yet both equally essential pillars to their respective universes. I don't see Smith when I'm watching Elrond, nor visa versa. A very, very great actor indeed. Love the channel and this video, I'd watched the older version more than once. Nice refresh!
@silmarian Місяць тому
Don’t forget Priscilla, Queen of the Desert!
@gojewla Місяць тому
@@silmarianthat’s always what I see when I watch him as elrond
@martavdz4972 Місяць тому
Agreed! I´ve never seen the movies, but Elrond in the pictures I see on the internet is one of the few characters that absolutely agree with what I imagined them like in the 1990´s, while reading the books. The others are Gandalf, Saruman, Frodo, Galadriel, Aragorn and Boromir (except the hair colour, Aragorn and Boromir are supposed to have dark hair). Looking at pictures of Weaving as Elrond, I can accept that he´s lived thousands of years and has massive knowledge, is a healer as well as a warrior. And that´s quite an achievement for an actor.
@EmoBearRights Місяць тому
Plus he was also in Priscilla Queen of the Desert.
@rayc321 Місяць тому
V in V for Vendetta as well :)
@DrankenDune Місяць тому
Maybe Elrond’s “air” powers are used to give the Hidden Valley fair weather? That seems to be how the elves use their magic most frequently. Natural and enhancing things rather than forcing change.
@jackpowell9276 Місяць тому
I think some element is preservation if i understand it right. Preserving the ancient magic of the world in their small corners, and in some cases enhancing a bit. In the earliest days, the world was far more magical and fantastical throughout.
@DrankenDune Місяць тому
Preserving! Yes that’s a better description. But still the ring adds to it. You can feel the magic of Imladris before you reach the city.
@mikedeck8381 Місяць тому
It was considered to be the most powerful of the elven rings but it wasn't designed to be a weapon of war. It seemed like it was used for healing and preserving knowledge. I suppose Elrond could handle himself in a fight if he needed to.
@bbgun061 Місяць тому
Magic isn't really a good word for this in Tolkein's legendarium. I prefer to say, innate supernatural abilities.
@DrankenDune Місяць тому
@@bbgun061 But they specifically use the word magic in that world? You just have to change your understanding.
@colindunnigan8621 Місяць тому
Poor Elrond, over 1000 years of fostering Isildur's heirs, and seeing them die, over and over...and that's just one loss the guy endured.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
The story of Elrond could be a whole movie! And it would be tragic! The ending would go like this - Elrond disembarks from Cirdan's ship on the shores of Aman (or Eressea) and his wife Celebrian greets him with a giant hug, love in her eyes. She then asks "Where is Arwen"? And Elrond will have to tell her that she will NEVER see her daughter again. Elrond got to say his final Goodbyes to Arwen, but Celebrian will never have that chance. When Celebrian and Arwen initially parted, Celebrian looked forward to the day when her whole family could be togetther again in Valinor (or Eressea). Now that will never come to pass. ~ Heartbreaking~
@johnkeck Місяць тому
But he gained a son (in-law). lol
@UPTAUT Місяць тому
One does what can for family
@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126 Місяць тому
@@johnkeck Who he also doesn't get to see. Most of his life, they were separated and the relationship was somewhat strained, because Elrond wouldn't let Aragorn and Arwen marry until Sauron was defeated and Aragorn was king. So Aragorn was off questing in Gondor, searching for Gollum in the Dead Marshes, visiting Harad and Rhun to further the resistance. He's around for maybe days every few years, and Arwen does not appear to hang around much either. Then they go and get engaged behind Elrond's back, and we have no idea how he feels about it, whether he is annoyed or secretly happy for them. But just when his beloved daughter and adopted son do become the king and queen he knew they could be and gain some tranquility, he has to leave them behind forever.
@jawstrock2215 Місяць тому
@@dandiehm8414 She could have a chance, if Mandos allows it.
@TheDarkElder Місяць тому
How powerful was Elrond? Yes, very. One of the very good characters in Tolkien's world, where wisdom and power and merging into a solid guidance to anyone seeking good.
@SEAZNDragon Місяць тому
Definitely the power of influence.
@tobiasstange8346 Місяць тому
Thank you very much for that insightful video. Elrond is one of my favorite characters, especially because he is a 'supportive' character, that accomplishes many tasks behind the scenes, indirectly or through guidance.
@QuantumHistorian Місяць тому
A weird thing (though very common in fiction) in LotR is that the rulers of each realm are also the most (or close to the most) powerful / skilled / talented people there. This almost never happens in real life. The king is very rarely also going to be the wisest at giving advice, or the strongest warrior, or the most learnt mage. Or, in a modern setting, it's like if the Prime Minister of a country was also its most genius scientist. You'd expect the ruler to be a manager, hopefully a talented one, but that they're main skill set is in leading and organising rather than their personal ability to resolve plot points.
@kirkvoelcker5272 Місяць тому
That's why it's fiction. Or am I too disingenuous to know that you are helping yourself to a double portion of irony?
@Commander_Ray Місяць тому
well for most of human history that is the case Kings were given the best educations and were trained from birth to rule while peasants and even most lower nobility would not come close to that, as for being the best warrior or Many other things like the wisest that is also seen the first tribes of many cultures were founded because of strong leaders who were the strongest and smartest. as society advanced rulers relied on advisors and champions. as much of the world has democracies the rulers tend to be popular and well spoken because that's how they get the votes to be elected even if they lack great combat skills in the 21st century
@General12th Місяць тому
On one hand, Elrond is an elf, so learning wisdom and other skills alongside being a leader for millennia on end would come naturally. On the other hand, everyone else in Rivendell is an elf too, so you'd think at least a few of them would master a craft beyond what Elrond has managed. And maybe they have, but it's not important to the story, so we don't hear about it.
@Grozhevski Місяць тому
Yeah but also Gil-galad during his rule chose Elrond as an able assistant. So there may be some amount of meritocracy to this
@bigstretchdaddy Місяць тому
No.. now rulers or those in charge are very very good and something. Being absolutely corrupt and weak. Easily seduced by the world and sin. From greed and narcissistic egomaniacal insanity and power mad to rampant pedophilia, oh yes... Our so-called leaders are quite adept at things... Just nothing good.
@samuelvine Місяць тому
Huh, just thought of this: Galadriel had powers over water, which we of course in her Mirror, but there's another description of her abilities that is often overlooked... when the Aeothaid were riding to the aid of Gondor at one point SHE brought up a mist to hide the army of the future Rhoririm from Sauron's eyes at the nearby Dul Guldor. And Gandalf, had power over fire like you said, but of course also the fire of courage and hearts, he doesn't seem to have to do or say anything for his courage effect to work, it's passive though potent. With Elrond having power over air, what do we see him use the most? His WORDS. The expression of Air is speech. And Elrond's words are always powerful and influential. *One sidenote about the differences in "magic" use between Elrond and Galadriel is that Elrond may not have had as much experience in "active" "magic". Galadriel learned a lot from Melian the Maia on how things worked in the world, training that Elrond may not have had access to, which may be partly why his actions are less showy most of the time. Even the flood at the Bruinen (spelling?) was partly "showy" because of Gandalf's actions not Elrond's. Not saying Elrond couldn't have made the foamy horses in the river, only that he may not have been as skilled in doing at as Gandalf or Galadriel as his magic was focused in other directions. Ok, I'll stop babbling now :D - thanks for the video!!!!
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
Galadriel also used her powers over water in the rivers surrounding Lorien. Nor Orc, (and not even Gollum), got into the Naith.
@bbgun061 Місяць тому
I think a better term than magic is 'innate supernatural abilities.' As a Maiar, Gandalf was more powerful than Elrond and Galadriel, though their rings boosted them all.
@bbgun061 Місяць тому
Also I want to add that I like your idea of power over the air being used for words to influence people. Many characters' supernatural abilities overlap with others. Saruman also used words to control people, but he used deceit, whereas Elrond used wisdom.
@adaslesniak Місяць тому
It's not babbling. It was a nice read.
@samuelvine Місяць тому
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@enoughothis Місяць тому
I love the line Elrond speaks to the Nazgul in the third Hobbit movie "You should have stayed dead."
@gptsiteuser Місяць тому
Bizzare take
@thanos7412 Місяць тому
Which was cringe as hell. This happens when you try to embed lines from cheesy 90s movies into high fantasy epic stories
@suran396 Місяць тому
They also added a bone head 80's movie quote in the 1st Hobbit. Thankfully, I can't recall it precisely.
@12classics39 Місяць тому
I haven’t seen the Hobbit films - PLEASE don’t tell me he actually says this…..!!!!???? You’re joking, right???!!!!
@suran396 Місяць тому
@@12classics39 i'm.going to be straight with you. The art.and landscapes are beautiful and there are some wonderful moments, but overall the 3 films are a disappointment. They wove in all kinds of nonsense to drag it out to 3 films and often forgot they weren't producing a comedy. It would have been far better as a stand alone film, or perhaps 2 fulms.and the 3rd one could be a background story.
@matbroomfield Місяць тому
That was a lovely closing paragraph. You do have such a lovely way of looking at the world.
@adriannalockhart9639 Місяць тому
My favorite good LotR character. Hugo Weaving did a wonderful job playing him. Thanks so much for the video!
@shaniaduchene8063 Місяць тому
I have watched quite a few of your ASOIAF and Tolkien videos in the last few weeks. Every time you start a video with a question like this, I say “i don’t know, Robert, you tell me” and chuckle to myself. Every time. Never change!
@juankovacs6033 Місяць тому
Is somewhat wholesome to think how Elrond fostered and cared about his grand grand grand grand grand nephews... Until he married his daughter to one of them 😂
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
Well - Aragor was descended about 6000 years from Elros!
@General12th Місяць тому
@@dandiehm8414Which would be a millennia more distant than Egyptian Pharaoh Iry-hor and anybody alive today, for reference.
@typacsk Місяць тому
Arwen: "You know who's looking fine tonight? Estel." Legolas: "Okay, you did not just say that." Arwen: "What? He's a good kisser." Legolas: "He's your cousin." Arwen: "Wait, what?! ...DAD!"
@martavdz4972 Місяць тому
Yeah, the famous composer Antonín Dvořák married the daughter of his teacher, and if I imagine that his teacher had been here since the times of Ancient Mesopotamia, his daughter since the Ancient Greece, and Dvořák had been his thousandth pupil or thereabouts... Now I think of it, I hugely respect Arwen for not thinking Aragorn was just an inexperienced baby.
@Veylon Місяць тому
@@typacsk Elrond: "It's true. He's your first cousin, sixty-two times removed."
@haydwilljones Місяць тому
@ InDeepGeek thanks for your videos of tolkien's work i enjoy them and learn a bit to, please keep up with them as they are very enjoyable and informative, again you have my thanks.
@Wolfeson28 Місяць тому
I remember this being discussed in an earlier video, but think think the "power" we see in LotR in the sense of wisdom or lore comes from a very real sense of being "in tune" with the world. Considering that in-universe, the world was literally sung into existence as the Music of the Ainur, I think the musical analogy is very apt. Individuals who are in tune with that deeper music that underlies the world are more likely to sense the hidden patterns underlying events, have insight into how things may unfold in the future, and perhaps also recognize others who have that strong connection. Valar, maiar, and those with connections to them such as elves and Numenorian humans seem to have an innately stronger connection, but it takes intentional study to truly open one's mind to the music of the world. Elrond, very definitely, exemplifies all of these criteria.
@SSAXEL Місяць тому
this is certainly true for Tom Bombadil. There's no one more powerful, and no one more in tune with the natural world
@vortexgen1 Місяць тому
Those that do not seek power, are those that wield it best
@CleverGirlAAH Місяць тому
I really like seeing the maps and distributions!! It helps illustrate things so much more clearly! Keep going in that direction, man, it really works!
@chrisfxi1216 Місяць тому
Thank you so much for all your videos man. They really are a pleasure to listen to
@jamesgrieve8435 Місяць тому
This was awesome, thank you for such a great video
@Limubi1 Місяць тому
I think the interesting (potential) manifestation of Elrond's ring as the Ring of Air is his role as Loremaster. Often, the element of Air is associated with study, rational thought, analysis, and language. While we don't see Elrond's command of on element at any point in the same way that we do with the other two Elven Ring bearers, his fame as being a font of knowledge is great. I wonder if Vilya helps him with his ability to accrue and hold onto knowledge, and dispense it as wisdom when it is needed?
@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Місяць тому
"The chief power (of all the rings alike) was the prevention or slowing of decay (i.e. 'change' viewed as a regrettable thing), the preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance - this is more or less an Elvish motive. But also they enhanced the natural powers of a possessor - thus approaching 'magic', a motive easily corruptible into evil, a lust for domination." Letter 131 Oh, and Elrond commanded the Bruinen.
@jawstrock2215 Місяць тому
@@tar-elenionmaranwe1275Him "commanding" the Bruinen is more that he had access and control of it's source, more then him just, ordering the river to do things. He just did the same thing the Ent did on Isenguard, block the water flow, accumulate it into a dam, then released it when required. It's why Frodo was able to cross the river on well horse. The water level had lowered quite a bit.
@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Місяць тому
@@jawstrock2215 Can you provide a quote from Tolkien where he describes that Elrond had a dam built on the river and used that to control the river? What is written in LotR is: "‘Who made the flood?’ asked Frodo. *‘Elrond commanded it,’* answered Gandalf. *‘The river of this valley is under his power,* and *it will rise in anger when he has great need* to bar the Ford. As soon as the captain of the Ringwraiths rode into the water *the flood was released."* Many Meetings Frodo is crossing at a ford.
@jawstrock2215 Місяць тому
@@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Well, I don't think it's written per say, more that it doesn't require it to be magic in the sense we know it as. Maybe it's just an interpretation, but it feels more like figure of speech here then anything. The only actual magic we see are done by Maiars(Mostly Gandalf) or Galadriel, who studied under one. Elf "magic" is more about deep understanding of the world, (reading minds, conversing with trees, expert craftsmans, songs that affect the mind, etc.)
@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Місяць тому
@@jawstrock2215 I see. So you are just adding what you want, over what Tolkien wrote.
@alinaanto Місяць тому
I love the more subtle approach to power displayed throughout all of Tolkien work I love how deep and thoughtfully written a character Elrond is! I really like how you gave credit to the artists at the end of the video! Great video, thank you for posting!
@Agreus93 Місяць тому
I Love Lord Elrond even if he didn't seek or want any tittles. The book Elrond was so different from movies Elrond, book Elrond was "kind as summer" even if he had such a painful life: They parents became sky entities when he was a child, was a hostage in his childhood, he not only had separated ways (until the end of times!) of his beloved twin brother but to his treasured daughter as well and on top of that, he lost her wife for a very long time and her damage was even impossible for him to cure. I rejoice myself thinking when he cross the sea and reunited with his wife in the undying lands. Thanks IDG!
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
True! - but I can't help but to imagine one powerfully poignent scene. Elrond disembarks from Cirdan's ship on the shores of Aman (or Eressea) and his wife Celebrian greets him with a giant hug, love in her eyes. She then asks "Where is Arwen"? And Elrond will have to tell her that she will NEVER see her daughter again. Elrond got to say his final Goodbyes to Arwen, but Celebrian will never have that chance. When Celebrian and Arwen initially parted, Celebrian looked forward to the day when her whole family could be togetther again in Valinor (or Eressea). Now that will never come to pass. ~ Heartbreaking~
@LKMNOP 26 днів тому
I always thought that he was so low key has to be boring in the movie. Got no feeling of fire or strength from him. And elrond had to have a lot of strength to survive all this time and to keep rivendale a safe haven.
@claytonhaag6931 Місяць тому
Great video Robert! I absolutely love the lore of Elrond. He is a key player in many many ways
@omarbinno4390 Місяць тому
Awesome way to end it. Keep up the great work!
@dave70a Місяць тому
I love all videos from In Deep Geek!
@fightronin3753 Місяць тому
Awesome video!!!! Keep up the great work!!!!
@7ItalianStallion 27 днів тому
Another excellent narration. Great upload your view on lotr are great!
@theun4giv3n Місяць тому
Another great video. Thanks. Worth mentioning too that he was an excellent warrior given all the battles he survived.
@Jett125 Місяць тому
What a great video. Ive always liked elrond but he may be one of my favourites now
@user-sd7ri9fy4i 25 днів тому
Nice work dude thanks
@sakemp3480 Місяць тому
Considering his pop is in the air with a simaril, the air ring makes sense
@DebbaTV Місяць тому
Well done, thanks! I always found it puzzling why Elrond wasn't a King, especially after the demise of Gilgalad. He was the grandson of a King. But maybe that was a role too specific, and he wanted to keep things more general. As the Lord Elrond, he could be all things to all Elves, and even other peoples. Also a bit strange that Frodo never called him out on his ring of power, or Gandalf's for that matter. He could perceive Galadriel's. But maybe she allowed that for her own purpose. I just can't imagine how sad it was for him to walk down the ages without his twin, who chose mortality. Can't blame him for being so aggrieved by Arwen's choice. I think he and Galadriel were the greatest Elves in the history of Middle Earth. They stayed there, engaged the whole long while, fighting the good fight. Never wavering. A true heir of Beren and Luthien.
@GGable 24 дні тому
Well done!
@CurtHowland Місяць тому
Well done. Thank you.
@user-mb1hg4qu9f Місяць тому
👍👍 Gandalf, Elrond and Aragon. Three pivotal characters, for sure.
@TheMASTERCONE1 Місяць тому
Another great video 👏🏻
@katherine.benson4489 Місяць тому
I love this stuff. Thanks.
@shokmusic_AC Місяць тому
Excellent video! Elrond could have truly laid claim to the title of High King but chose not to. This says much about his character.
@scottdevlin1491 Місяць тому
Great video. Thanks to you.
@pamelah6431 Місяць тому
In ROTK at Aragorn's coronation, when the banner is moved aside and Arwen emerges, Hugo's "my baby is all growed up" expression sparks the water works for me every time.
@LKMNOP 26 днів тому
His baby was a grown woman for god sakes. He always treated her as an adult. That was a disgusting 1950s type of line. "My baby", indeed...
@pamelah6431 26 днів тому
@@LKMNOP what exactly is your problem? 🙄
@jacktribble5253 Місяць тому
Quite well done and well said. I would call that power, shaping a world.
@omgblastbeatslol Місяць тому
Wow man, I conflated this video's title with the one next to it in my recs and actually thought for a second that IDG made a video called "How powerful is Gary Busey?" Could you please make that video anyway?
@10mm_is_best_mm Місяць тому
Robert could write and narrate the drying of paint and I’d listen in fascination. The sublime nuance of his performance is masterful.
@kotadawndragon Місяць тому
Elrond is my favorite elven character in Tolkien's works. He's just awesome. I do wonder if one of Vilya's powers is clairvoyance. In lots of other fantasy works, the power of air tends toward information gathering, i.e., the wind telling the user things and other such.
@lepeixe22 Місяць тому
Well it sure explains telepathy, as if the wind is carrying his words across middle-earth
@LordRunolfrUlfsson Місяць тому
(5:27) It's what we would call "soft power" today. You don't easily see it, but it's influence is potent. (6:05) Arguably the greatest power of the Great Rings is the power to preserve things. Rivendell and Lorien stand strong against the power of Sauron (without the One Ring) because they resist change. With the One Ring, the power of the other Great Rings would belong to Sauron, and anything made with their power would belong to him. With the One Ring destroyed, the power that kept them safe and unchanging ceased to be.
@Mathemagical55 Місяць тому
The flooding of the Ford of Bruinen is powered by Vilya in the same way Galadriel uses Nenya to protect Lothlorien. Since the location of the Three could not be discussed, Gandalf had to fudge slightly and say that Elrond commanded it.
@martavdz4972 Місяць тому
Greetings from Czechia, you have a new fan! The first upload I get to witness is about my favourite character! ❤ I´ve always had a crush on Elrond, even as a teenager in the 1990´s. It fascinated me how his role is hard to define, but we have no problem accepting it, as if it was deep inside us, like an archetype. And yet, I know no archetype like that. He´s full of paradoxes. Removed far away, yet in the centre of things. Calm and wise, yet a fierce warrior. Living at a fixed place and very much connected to it, yet his hand is in half of all the things that happen. A crucial advisor to politicians with millennia of learning, yet running a house of simple hospitality. He´s like... as if twenty good men put together had thousands of years to grow in wisdom and humility and various fields of study. His character showcases what it means when elves live in Arda for a very long time and use that time for the very best purposes. Thank you for laying out his complexity and greatness! 👍
@meganofsherwood3665 Місяць тому
Beautifully said!!
@martavdz4972 Місяць тому
@@meganofsherwood3665 Thank you! 🙂
@flawedperspective Місяць тому
It is interesting to compare and contrast the Tolkien's concept of Power comparing Elrond vs. Sauron but also what we today view as power (a.k.a. money and control over others).
@Onager28 День тому
Mr Baggins, welcome back. We missed you.
@steveaverett Місяць тому
Thanks!
@christopherfernandez8153 Місяць тому
Actually, it was the Church of Scientology created by Elrond Hubbard that defeated Sauron. 😂
@denofboxers1996 16 днів тому
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@DanBeech-ht7sw 4 дні тому
Very good! 👍
@gerardoangel6 Місяць тому
Elrond was great in Rings of Power, I loved his friendship with Durin
@violator7964 Місяць тому
Elrond to Sauron: “You might think that I have something personal against you. You’re right.”
@myla9308 11 днів тому
Elrond is at the top of my list of favorite elves in Tolkien’s writing. As much as I love Hugo, I much preferred the portrayal by Robert Aramayo, who came off far closer to the book version for me, which I prefer. It was one of the few things about the Prime show I thought they actually did well.
@logangodofcandy 24 дні тому
We talk of the brothers elrond and elross that chose to be either human or elf. We seldom hear of the third brother, Elroy, who chose to be a bootlegger and play legendary melodies in banjo, as his glorious mullet flows in the breeze.
@babsbybend Місяць тому
I read "The Hobbit" back in the 1960's, read TLoTR, Silmarillion, some of the Lost Tales, and still cannot wrap my mind around Elrond having a red silk handkerchief to loan to Bilbo. And did Bilbo return it? Or was he always mooching off him?
@meganofsherwood3665 Місяць тому
... I completely forgot about that, ans now I'm curious 😂
@dimestorephilosopher3308 18 днів тому
His father was the greatest hero who went and talked to "the gods" to bring them to stop Morgoth. A legacy to live up to.
@Lee_H9 Місяць тому
Regarding Elrond's power over air and influencing others - in it's most base definition, Speech is expressing thoughts and feelings over the medium of air.
@arkdeniz Місяць тому
Hugo Weaving threaded all through this video and not a single sighting of Robert Aramayo’s portrayal. IDG Robert is trying to say something, I think.
@martavdz4972 Місяць тому
I was curious, so I looked at Robert Aramayo´s pictures as Elrond and nearly threw up. That isn´t Elrond, not by a long shot.
@katiedid1851 Місяць тому
Picking up Silmarillion next. Elrod is one of my favorite characters in the books. He is so understated- and yet effective.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
The Silmarillion is WONDERFUL. Not an easy read at first but such a treasure trove of lore and motivations. It was truly the Professor's life's work.
@LKMNOP 26 днів тому
That is a good point that it was elrond, not the council, that said Merry and Pippin should go with Frodo. It was his decision alone.
@bielribeiro6622 Місяць тому
A true hero and friend to all free folk.
@daemonsilver3304 Місяць тому
Through humility does the great strength of Iru Iluvatar flow like torrential tides. And so, in this fashion, did Elrond the Wise wield power.
@awesomehpt8938 Місяць тому
Very. But not enough apparently to get Isildur to drop the ring into mount doom.
@KorriTimigan Місяць тому
In fairness, NOBODY was powerful enough to do that
@Jaxx2385 Місяць тому
Does anyone know how the good guys even knew that was how to destroy it? Did Sauron brag about that being the only way how would anyone know that? Did if have to be destroyed there or could u just find any volcano ? I need answers
@TheMarcHicks Місяць тому
Even Elrond himself would have failed to throw the Ring into Mount Doom if he'd been the one to pick it up. Heck; even Sauron couldn't have thrown the Ring into Mount Doom, even if he'd wanted to.
@Nala15-Artist Місяць тому
@@Jaxx2385 Logic. What makes a thing must be able to unmake it.
@ThommyofThenn Місяць тому
Isildur kinda stonewalled him with that "No." How the heck do you carry on a discussion like that?!
@JieTie Місяць тому
I'm very gratefull you didn't use a single frame from the rings of power.
@savageboosterstudios Місяць тому
The few frames of Elrond's sons in War in the North🔥
@ebonspike Місяць тому
Elrond also handled the Ring while Frodo was recovering from the stab wound. He is the only one of the Elven ringbearers that we do not see his temptation by the One Ring if that temptation actually occurred.
@SamanthaVimes177 Місяць тому
Yo I wish your channel did Discworld. I'm dying for my actual favorite fantasy series to have this kind of love and attention paid to it.
@etienneporras7252 Місяць тому
While Tolkien himself claimed that his legendarium was an attempt to "learn the story of Earendil", I find it very telling that the only character to be directly present in all three published novels (Silmarillion, Hobbit, LotR), is Elrond.
@etienneporras7252 Місяць тому
In a way, Elrond is the Aslan of Middle-Earth.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
And Sauron - he just didn't have any lines in The Hobbit.
@etienneporras7252 Місяць тому
@@dandiehm8414 I don't actually think Sauron makes a physical appearance in the Hobbit though. He's mentioned, and everyone knows to avoid him, but he himself does not enter the narrative.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
@@etienneporras7252 True - but he hardly makes a PHYSICAL appearance in LOTR.
@etienneporras7252 Місяць тому
@@dandiehm8414 Which is kinda my point. Elrond DOES have a "physical" presense as a narrative character in all three published works. (However briefly in the Silmarillion).
@dlsamson Місяць тому
Wisdom is understanding the limits of knowledge & power
@rkgaustin9043 Місяць тому
Ioreth: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known. Gandalf: I wish Elrond was here instead. Aragorn: Dude, WTF I'm like right here.
@kdubs83 Місяць тому
I love that line in the books. ❤ The first one obviously. 🤣
@rbhgamer8503 Місяць тому
While discussing power, I would like to see a video on the power of the Vala, particularly in the story of Morgoth's curse upon poor Turin Turinbar (reminds me of greek tragedy mixed with the trials of Job).
@richardmather1906 Місяць тому
Couple other points. Elrond, we are told, is "mighty among Elves and Men. " Nobody else is both, but Elrond is both. Also, notice that Glorfindel comes back to Middle Earth and goes and resides with Elrond. Elrond is where the action is. Particularly (despite Galadriel's ancestry) for a Noldo.
@LibertarianLeninistRants Місяць тому
Wait what? Elrond is Aragorn's great-great-great-...-great-uncle? I never looked that deep into LotR lore to notice that
@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 Місяць тому
Yep, something like 65 greats in there.
@LibertarianLeninistRants Місяць тому
@@tar-elenionmaranwe1275 still family, especially if you are basically immortal like Elrond and remember everyone
@TheMarcHicks Місяць тому
Yep, both descended from Earendil the Mariner.
@manso306 Місяць тому
Ok but the real question is How powerful is Hugo Weaving?
@aaronburdon221 Місяць тому
Yea, Elrond and his elves were figuratively the bulwark that kept Sauron from overrunning the western portions of the map and flanking Gondor.
@woody5476 Місяць тому
One thing I hated about the Hobbit movies is that they made the dwarves have to escape from the clutches of Elrond when they were in Rivendell, and Elrond was angry and standing in the way of their quest. In the book, Elrond helped them and gave them aid and provisions, and his blessing.
@aaronbrooks9371 Місяць тому
Awesome video! I'd like to know if Tolkien used numerology in The Fellowship of the Ring, specifically in ch1 with Bilbo turning 111 and Frodo turning 33, both are significant numbers in many different belief systems. Thoughts anyone?
@jackwebb5717 Місяць тому
@InDeepGeek - Could you do a video on whether the elves (& men & dwarves) wars against Morgoth during the First Age would have played out differently had Fëanor not died so quickly?
@joshuawells5953 Місяць тому
A little off topic but if you're a fan of Hugo Weaving (Elrond) i recently watched a movie called "The Interview" with him starring. Pretty friggin good.
@fuwymechtopia8982 Місяць тому
Anything can happen in war. Powerful people aren't omnipotent and omnipresent, so they must prioritize and strategize. Elrond is a remarkable character and I wish he got more screen time!
@TechBearSeattle Місяць тому
Vilya, the Ring of Air, controlled time itself. That is what preserved Rivendell through millennia, and that is why Elrond was considered wise: he could see the general shape of the future, or at least patterns in the past and present that, with careful study, let him infer what was to come. That may also be where his healing talent came from, as he could review past treatments and maybe even experiment with the probabilities of various courses to see what one had the best chance of success.
@stephenbenner4353 Місяць тому
Before The Lord of The Rings was published, C S Lewis Mentioned Imladris and Numinor in That Hideous Strength, the third book in his space trilogy. There’s a note at the end of the book to the effect that if you want to know more about Numinor, keep an eye out for a future release by his friend J R R Tolkein
@taidee Місяць тому
Elrond being a magnificent being who is part of all, cares about them all, has duty of care and he carries it with honor.
@btswt101 Місяць тому
“Why Mr. Frodo? Why? Why do you persist?” is my favorite quote from the trilogy.
@BeyerEfendi Місяць тому
They absolutely nailed his casting, though. Hugo Weaving was the perfect Elf-human combo, authoritative and almost gruff at times but graceful and elegant all the same.
@davidmcilroy1578 Місяць тому
Checkout Lords of Middle Earth Vol 1 by Iron Crown Enterprises. He is in there along with Valar, Maia and elven lords. Gives stats for MERP/RM - items, powers etc..
@langlest Місяць тому
The casting for Elrond was perfect in LOTR but absolutely terrible in Rings of Power
@howardroark7726 Місяць тому
Elrond's role in the 3rd Age reminds me a bit of the wisdom and intellect of Turing as well as the moral leadership of Churchill.
@Konve Місяць тому
Speaking of elemental powers. Maybe it was not Saruman, but Elrond, who pushed the fellowship down from Caradhras and into Moria. Foreseeing the end, with Gandalf reborn, Aragorn turned leader and the angering of the ents.
@lwmarti Місяць тому
I always assumed that he was a total badass. He was over 6,000 years old in LOTR. Practice anything for 6,000 years, and you get really, really good at it. Fencing. Whatever the elves had for martial arts. Working out at the Rivendell Planet Fitness. Etc.
@keithknerr3452 Місяць тому
I think it is mandatory to mention Elrond's Father is perhaps the most famous PERSON in the legendarium?
@deeayenn Місяць тому
The more I study Middle Earth the less I seem to understand it. Thank you for constantly providing me (us) with the information from across the ages & helping me form a clear picture of events, time lines & people.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
That's odd - the more I study it the more I understand it. But I agree that all fo these videos are excellent sources and are done so well.
@midnightbluevt 27 днів тому
Elrond is basically what you end up with when you force-feed a "good guy" with stuff like Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Musashi, etc. Oh, and also make him a magic-wielding elf, because high fantasy lol.
@InglouriousBradsterd Місяць тому
I want to live in Rivendell.
@Roderyck82 Місяць тому
Actually, I´m missing the upbringing of Elrond. It is stated that he and Elros were taught by Maglor (and Maedhros) after those two stole the two chilren. So Elrond (and Elros) should have learned things that came directly from people who saw the light of the trees in Valinor. Furthermore there is the possibility they learned some of the secrets the House of Feanor posessed.
@dandiehm8414 Місяць тому
Nice video as always Robert. But at 7:56, you read the sentence "I think that this task is appointed for you Frodo, and that if you do not find a way, no one will" with the emphasis on the word "You" (many others do this as well). I have always read that line with the key word being APPOINTED (not "you"). Elrond is saying, if he has heard aright everything that was presented, that Frodo was CHOSEN to be the Ring Bearer, and not by Elrond, Gandalf, or even Frodo himself. It goes back to Elrond's comment earlier in the Council (paraphrasing here) "Strangers from strange lands being called to the council. Called I say, but I did not summon you". The hand of Iluvatar was clearly present here, and it was He who chose Frodo.
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