How Removing Cobalt From Batteries Can Make EVs Cheaper
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2 роки томуCobalt has been getting a lot of attention lately because it is one of the most expensive materials found in lithium-ion batteries, which power everything from laptops and cell phones to electric vehicles. Cobalt extraction is largely concentrated in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where it is linked to human rights abuses and child labor, while cobalt refinement is almost exclusively done in China, making cobalt part of a tenuous supply chain. These are some of the reasons why battery manufacturers like Samsung and Panasonic and car makers like Tesla and VW, along with a number of startups are working to eliminate cobalt from lithium-ion batteries completely.
Correction 11/17/2021: At 14:37, Evan Erickson misspoke - Texpower is building a facility that will be able to produce hundreds of tons of material per year not hundreds of kilograms of material per year, as he stated in the video.
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How Removing Cobalt From Batteries Can Make EVs Cheaper
@dennybrows9916 2 роки тому
Many people may look past this but I want to point out how quality this documentary is. Genuinely
@hermeslein6614 2 роки тому
America is declining and falling China lead number one
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@@hermeslein6614 : The CCP is unfortunately intent on collapsing China's economy most due to the corruption but also through foreign relations. You can't threaten to drop a nuclear bomb on Japan for instance and expect them to continue trading with you. They move their manufacture rapidly from China to elsewhere.
@heinrichhimmler3781 2 роки тому
@@buildmotosykletist1987 I Have Hear This For 20 Years since 2000 Dont be like Gordon Chang
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@@heinrichhimmler3781 : Don't be a CCP troll. Tuidang.
@heinrichhimmler3781 2 роки тому
@@buildmotosykletist1987 gordon chang 2.0
@CHL41993 2 роки тому
China did bet on both side. They control the most cobalt mines and refineries, and also the largest producer of cobalt-free batteries...
@Neojhun 2 роки тому
Not just bet on both sides but consume all they can make.
@Avantime 2 роки тому
Phones and laptop batteries still use cobalt, and it will continue for quite a while yet.
@noahway13 2 роки тому
That is why we don't take a harder stance with China on many issues. They could really screw up our lifestyle on many fronts.
@MotorCityPhoenix313 2 роки тому
It amazing how far behind America has fallen. Just completely stupid and short sighted decision making for decades.
@noahway13 2 роки тому
@@MotorCityPhoenix313 Too bad that you are not in charge.
@pinkelephants1421 2 роки тому
A great deal is made of cobalt inclusion in lithium ion battery packs but you almost NEVER hear about the monumental amount of cobalt used in oil refining to remove sulphur or in the manufacture of stainless steel & other industrial processes. And conveniently, journalists in particular, have no problem with omitting the fact that our mobile phones, laptops, tablets & many other devices have far more cobalt percentage wise, in their batteries than those used in EV's & you 'certainly' never hear any criticisms about its inclusion in (those) products in relation to human rights abuses or child labour. To be clear, whilst child labour is unfortunately used to mine cobalt in the Congo, it only amounts to about 0•04% of all cobalt mined according to Amnesty International.
@Freshbott2 2 роки тому
Those criticisms have been around for a long time especially relating to Apple and Samsung’s supply chains
@aduad 2 роки тому
Even if child labour is low, the amount of humanitarian abuse in the Congo is through the roof...from unsafe mines to heavy metal poisoning to low wages etc etc...it's just awful quite frankly.
@harryjessen 2 роки тому
@@aduad but all of the western countries want to keep the African countries poor. If they start to get rich, there will be many products that we cannot afford.
@MGZetta 2 роки тому
Good point, however, it does not mean we should shut up, it means we should be talking about it even more.
@Freshbott2 2 роки тому
@@harryjessen that’s not true at all. The most efficient resource producers in the world are Australian and Canadian, far richer than 99% of Europe. Australia output the cheapest iron ever while demand was the highest ever. Some of the mines are even operated by European companies. If Africans get rich and build out infrastructure and automation prices will fall there too. If Europe doesn’t get involved in making Africa rich then China will secure resources for themselves, which will cause issues for Europe while not even making Africa rich. It’s in Europe’s interest to solve this
@benjaminnead8557 2 роки тому
Very good article, CNBC. This is the sort of information that I usually expect to find on specialty web sites that cater to clean energy topics exclusively. Thanks for not dumbing it down to appease to a so-call mainstream audience.
@nightlightabcd 2 роки тому
Or much worse yet, the treason supporting fascist media!
@jomo4435 2 роки тому
@@nightlightabcd learn to filter your information haha your not a drone
@RNA0ROGER 2 роки тому
No mention however of 4680 which is a cobalt free functional battery
@benjaminnead8557 2 роки тому
4680 is a cell form factor (rolled cylindrical, 46mm diameter X 80mm long) that can accommodate many different chemical formulations, with or without cobalt.
@RNA0ROGER 2 роки тому
@@benjaminnead8557 The version planned is designed with zero cobalt in mind. With high nickle and silicon, rendering cobalt obsolete.
@prombo6 2 роки тому
I got my Tesla 2 months ago, and it uses Chinese LFP (cobalt-free) cells, assembled and delivered in America.
@Professor-Scientist 2 роки тому
Don't need a comma before 'and'
@solidfuel0 2 роки тому
@@Professor-Scientist happy, to see that grammar natzi still exists
@zee9276 2 роки тому
@@Professor-Scientist oh, ok
@kingatowning 2 роки тому
@@Professor-Scientist Oxford comma
@LSniumUwU 2 роки тому
Did I ask?
@xexas3000 2 роки тому
Can we spot the light on the cobalt being used to refine gasoline?
@davidbeppler3032 2 роки тому
No.
@yodab.at1746 2 роки тому
Oil industry says how does being defunded feel? Murdoch rubs his greasy hands.
@johnwang9914 2 роки тому
Although it's true that cobalt oxide is a useful catalyst in our refineries, it is a catalyst and is not consumed. As a catalyst within a refinery, it's far more likely to be remanufactured and reused rather than likely disposed of when used in batteries. Also iron oxide can often be used instead of cobalt oxide for most of these processes and likewise with batteries formulations that use iron instead already exists, it's just that only China can currently use lithium iron phosphate batteries without paying royalties so long as they are only sold in China but the patent runs out in 2022.
@irkiIIer 2 роки тому
@@davidbeppler3032 based
@dusty-vo8gh 2 роки тому
@@johnwang9914lithium batteries are being recycled.
@delicious619 2 роки тому
CNBC has impressed me with their online videos on many topics like these. Great job!
@roberthicks1612 2 роки тому
yea its impressive how much bs they can manufacture. I am sure their masters in china are happy with them.
@Sunnytimtim 2 роки тому
Good job CNBC.. It’s one of the best informative documentary
@keco185 2 роки тому
A lot of cobalt is used in smartphone batteries and for refining oil. For EVs they tend to use low-cobalt battery technologies. Cobalt free LFP is almost certainly going to take over the market in the near future because it's cheaper, safer, and can be repeatedly charged to 100% without degradation unlike cobalt technologies which should only be charged to 80% most of the time.
@jerryc6497 2 роки тому
The sooner we go cobalt free the better
@Lildizzle420 2 роки тому
you're trying to compare a smart phone to a car? sounds pretty silly
@justicedemocrat9357 2 роки тому
Uhh...yeah ppl would not be happy if the phone in their pocket suddenly exploded.
@lachlanB323 Рік тому
Also Tesla's new 4680 cells that are now in production use no cobalt. Tesla will soon be using no cobalt for every vehicle. Right now it is over 50% that don't use cobalt
@lashnhith634 2 роки тому
This is a very good overview video. One issue to note, which was overlooked in the video, is that much of the production of cobalt in the D.R. Congo is by large scale mechanized copper operations. “Artisanal” or small scale mining (“ASM”) accounted for no more than 20-22% of D.R. Congo’s cobalt production at its peak and is now likely less than 10% (note: ASMs act as swing players that can rapidly adjust production as prices fluctuate). Moreover, only a small fraction of ASM is illegal or tied to human rights violations. That being said, more production diversification is needed for cobalt and many other commodities.
@LOLHAMMER45678 2 роки тому
20% is quite a lot
@lashnhith634 2 роки тому
@@LOLHAMMER45678 : perhaps, but that was the peak and only a small portion of that was illegal. Still is it important to highlight but the video made it seem as if all of D.R. Congo production is tied to human rights abuses. Perhaps a bigger concern is that much of the cobalt production is D.R. Congo is now controlled by Chinese firms and that cobalt chemical refining (more that metal refining) that is the next step towards battery materials is nearly all Chinese, as are most of the manufacturing steps that follow.
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@@lashnhith634 : The Chinese still exploit the so called Artisanal or to put it blatantly child labour as much as they can. It is encouraged not discouraged.
@pavelschannel-alittleoutof3532 2 роки тому
@@LOLHAMMER45678 I agree
@kennethkho7165 2 роки тому
@@lashnhith634 Fine point
@aberration1 2 роки тому
Ok. I’m not buying electric car until they become cheaper. Thank you for telling me not to waste my money on current electric cars !!
@tails300 2 роки тому
A hybrid maybe an alternative choice for you to bridge the gap until EVs mature in the next 10/15 years.
@benjaminnead8557 2 роки тому
The used and resultingly inexpensive (under $10K) EV I bought 6 years ago has saved me considerable money because it takes about one third as much money to drive per mile on a vehicle powered by electricity when compared to a gasoline car of similar size/weight/utility. It also has a considerably less complex drivetrain compared to a gasoline car, so I've saved money on all the typical maintenance items associated with keeping an internal combustion engine (ICE) running properly. The only real downside is that early EVs, like mine, have a relatively small battery, because EV-grade batteries were rather expensive to manufacture a decade or so ago. Hence, I have a vehicle with a realistic range of around 70 miles per charge. But this is more than adequate for my urban living needs. I'm also able to charge my car overnight at home, which is far more convenient than having to travel to a gas station. longer range EVs are now plentiful, of course, but they're still more expensive to buy than a comparable gasoline car. But operating and maintenance costs are already far lower to gasoline cars of similar aspirations. So, I would contend that, if saving money is what's keeping you away, you're foolish not to consider an EV.
@yeeaahhzz 2 роки тому
still saving on maintenace n gas.
@Zaerki 2 роки тому
Buy a Tesla, and thank me later!
@lachlanB323 Рік тому
They won't for a while. Tesla's Demand is insane right now.
@MrMischelito 2 роки тому
You can't say "heating sth to 1000 C" is "environmentally unfriendly" per se. It really really depends on the alternatives and on the source of energy.
@TheBooban 2 роки тому
Not really. That they have to do it at 1000°c is inherently more unfriendly than if they could do it at room temperature no matter what.
@ReddRubble 2 роки тому
I think it could be taking about having to melt plastic and other things releasing gases.
@ReddRubble 2 роки тому
@@TheBooban this too. Heating anything that high is going to use an enormous amount of energy
@eddymens1873 2 роки тому
Outside of comparing it to the alternative, such high temperatures are certainly environmentally unfriendly
@teamjg277 2 роки тому
There are multiple companies working on bio reactors like used to extract gold being developed for battery material extraction
@marloeleven 2 роки тому
got to commend the researcher and writer of this article. complete, precise and very informative
@TheAdventureAuto 2 роки тому
This battery tech of the future is pretty exciting.
@swedesam 2 роки тому
Learned something new today, Thanks!
@oxide9717 2 роки тому
Remember the majority of Cobalt mined is actually not used in battery production. Its used as a catalyst to clean up petrochemical fuels, where its consumed forever, meaning more needs mined. But what is used in batteries can be recovered when recycling them. You don't watch one youtube video and think you know everything about a topic
@4literv6 2 роки тому
Plus it's used in metallurgy don't see anyone complaining about that though. Thank you also for mentioning the fossil fuel industry's consumption of it. 😏
@ramb5193 2 роки тому
Yes you are correct. I would to add one more thing, the cobalt used in refining petroleum products are non recyclable and it is discarded in the atmosphere
@johnl.7754 2 роки тому
Yeah and it’s #1 export is copper and #3 is gold is the world going to boycott those as well.
@paullabbe4189 2 роки тому
@@ramb5193 I had no idea cobalt was used in oil refinement. Thanks for the info.
@pinkelephants1421 2 роки тому
Plus its use in our gadgets' 🔋 packs is substantially greater than in EV 🔋 packs - but you don't see anyone rushing to either complain about either that or boycott those products altogether. No; more likely to rush out, spend obscene amounts of money on the 'latest' up-to-date version of whichever gadget takes their fancy despite their current one being in perfect working order &, most likely, don't use most of the functions beyond the basics or even have any awareness of their existence. And then leave the previous version lurking in a draw, unused, along with all the other perfectly good electronic wizardry. Massive waste of the Earth's resources & huge environmental impacts due to overconsumption especially climate change.
@tchaffman 2 роки тому
"I don't feel comfortable driving a car with a battery produced in-part by child labor" **Stress-eats a Hershey's chocolate and orders something from Zara or H&M**
@CheddarTeddy 2 роки тому
Those Zara and HM also ordered from a child slave labor smartphone
@yodab.at1746 2 роки тому
Wearing jeans made in a sweat shop somewhere poor and hot.
@yodab.at1746 2 роки тому
@sushi4life whereas conservative right would be "I'm fine with that, it's their fault for being poor and I get cheap prices'?
@techpriest4787 2 роки тому
@@yodab.at1746 mah capitalism!
@megadunsparce5735 2 роки тому
Just Saving The World With My Latest MacBook And Pumpkin Spiced Latte One Day At A Time!
@shazmosushi 2 роки тому
Really good reporting! Good job CNBC
@aardvarkansaw 2 роки тому
Great info. I am curious about the relevance of the various battery form factors to these new chemistries-cylindrical, pouch, etc
@br1mf 2 роки тому
Magnis Technologies already have developed a battery with no Cobalt or Nickel that are very competitive, safe and they secured a non-China supply chain. 40% of the NY Gigafactory already completed.
@malekmalek9064 2 роки тому
China's biggest ev manufacturer BYD never stepped down from LFP technology,BYD still very underrated
@neeljavia2965 2 роки тому
Good joke.
@Manish-ud4sl 2 роки тому
@@neeljavia2965 your father is joke
@1aZoOs 2 роки тому
BYD is a pioneer in LFP technology, they have 0% failure and 0 fire accidents. No wonder tesla is buying batteries from them for their China model-3. Ofcourse cost is also one of the reasons, they're much cheaper than Li-NCA's used in Model-S's. Only drawback is shorter range and missing out on the ludicrous acceleration of the NCA's.
@Neojhun 2 роки тому
@@1aZoOs WTF Wrong, BYD e6 had problematic fire problems but still quite rare. It's not common but they did happen.
@1aZoOs 2 роки тому
@@Neojhun Li-LFP batteries dont catch fire, like the Tesla's, unless you crash.
@meawwow 2 роки тому
So wonderful to see 2 Indians in both the competing companies. India and US ties are increasing be it cultural, economic or political. It might turn into a great partnership like the Anglo-American ties since WW1.
@WellBattle6 2 роки тому
The relationship will be strengthened by the US as long as India’s federal government doesn’t become super-right wing nationalist. If the US perceives India to become a threat to “democracy” as much as China they will incentivize companies to move everything again.
@TheOneAboveAllx 2 роки тому
@@WellBattle6 Do you realise that usa itself is a "right wing" country from the worlds perspective no matter which party is in power? The issue isn't in being right wing actually being left wing will be more of a problem as the government would interfere too much with the private enterprises, the real issue is in being authoratirian which is a diffrent political dimension!
@meawwow 2 роки тому
@@WellBattle6 i mean there were rioters in Capitol hill less that a year ago. Also our right wing i was more socialist than the Democratic party(or Bernie Sanders) in US, because we were literally a socialist country till 1991, we still are very much socialist with American standards. Right wing is a necessity in India for free business environment. India is so socialist that people protest against privatization and for nationalisation of companies 😂😂
@ChiSa123 2 роки тому
@@WellBattle6 It won't be "super-right wing". That is an exaggeration and fear mongering of either vested interest extreme left or in some cases "anti-India" organisations. The Prime Minister of India has the highest average approval rating of 70%. That is the highest of all the world leaders. (Source: Morning Consult - Political Intelligence).
@the80386 2 роки тому
you called out the term 'super right wing' as an exaggeration and fear mongering, yet used the terms 'extreme left' and 'anti-india' yourself without a hint of irony!
@florenciovela7570 2 роки тому
great show I've ordered the S dual motor fsd while my tri motor fsd cybertruck gets here and I have lots of SOLAR power and battery backup system to charge them both at home 🏡 😀
@mumblic 2 роки тому
Positive surprised with this video. In previous videos I have noticed a lot of incorrect and misleading information. This video feels much more correct and informative.
@srivariveedhi8621 2 роки тому
It's good to know that NRIs are doing great work to make world a better place
@vatsan2483 2 роки тому
Coz we potential Indians have big brains.. get into IITs and IIMs and lend ourselves for the world.. so we can kinda earn and settle xD
@12akul 2 роки тому
Because governments abroad give value to deserved rather than reserved. They don't care you're black, brown, white, Hindu, Muslim, Brahmin, Dalit, South-Indian, North-Indian and the million other racial stereotypes that exist in India they just want talent.
@vatsan2483 2 роки тому
@@12akul even though I perfectly agree with your take.. but it's just more than reserved vs deserve!! It has more to do with how we see a business and investment.. moreover it's also about recognition of patents and publications in scientific community.. and sorry to say government and reservation maybe a reason for where we are but it has more with outlook in our society in general!!!
@universalnettv677 2 роки тому
Remove cobalt, please. As a Congolese I know that the war will never end as long as you are still using this bloody metals. 🙏
@oxide9717 2 роки тому
You do know 95% of Cobalt is used as a catalyst in cleaning petroleum the reason why EVs are associated with Cobalt is the fast EV adoption worldwide so blame the damn Cancer petroleum companies and companies trying to move the world to a renewable energy
@universalnettv677 2 роки тому
@@TheFalseShepphard I am not talking to Tesla but to all the phones, computers, planes and cars companies. I know that it is difficult, but I hope that they find an alternative to cobalt very soon.
@WellBattle6 2 роки тому
@@universalnettv677 Won’t matter as long as petroleum is used since petrocorps are the largest buyers of cobalt.
@cobaltblue2756 2 роки тому
Why don't conglonese government stop child labor..
@universalnettv677 2 роки тому
@@cobaltblue2756 Because they are evil who only care about themselves. It is not just about child labour. Millions of people are dying but for some reason you will never hear that on the news. Go check ONU reports eg: ‘report of the Mapping’.
@mrmuranga 2 роки тому
Another great short informative piece from CNBC....👏
@bravosierra2447 2 роки тому
I am considering buying an EV car in the next 18 months & this video has gone along way to help me understand what it is I am looking for in an EV car.
@davidbeppler3032 2 роки тому
Tesla. Still the only choice that makes sense.
@MikeYoungeasytravel 2 роки тому
@@davidbeppler3032 Tesla makes a good vehicle, and may be a perfect choice in the United States. However, it may be less attractive in other nations depending on various factors such as size, road taxes, and commute distances.
@MaiDay01 2 роки тому
go for a polestar if you want quality and safteyr its an offshoot brand of volvo.
@yo-no9879 2 роки тому
I'm just waiting for more DIY kits like the Ford Eluminator, I like my old car and can't stand the giant iPads in newer EVs.
@wakannnai1 2 роки тому
@@davidbeppler3032 Tesla is ok. There are numerous build problems which are sadly very common. People should just pick whatever cars they like that are electric. Tesla is not the only choice in this market, and it's better to diversify the EV market so there are no monopolies.
@charliemaybe 2 роки тому
it is basically a trio of things. pick two and that is it. you get range, price, and safety. pick two and you have a battery. since car battery fires are something that doesn't look great for publicity and range is a huge selling factor, this is why we currently use cobalt
@lordwellmeta8071 8 місяців тому
Thanks you. Your clear explanation puts the two available options very simply.
@casualsuede 2 роки тому
Solid state batteries is the future, not a reformulation of lithium based batteries. They don't have the heat problem, they recharge in minutes, they are more cold resistant and are cheaper to build.
@alandoherty5804 2 роки тому
If this were true, the incentive would overwhelmingly be to use them. Pretty much by implication of them not being used there will be a reason why: can't scale outside lab, too expensive, too dangerous, too variant to environmental conditions, not enough lifespan to name a few. Maybe that will change, but I've been hearing solid state batteries are production ready for years.
@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx 2 роки тому
@@alandoherty5804 China: we finally have a monopoly on cobalt! US and allies: hmm we have concluded Cobolt is dangerous for the environment, as of today.
@lukecheuk 2 роки тому
China is also the largest maker of LFP batteries Bud & Catl) in the world so what's your point lol!
@j0nb0y5 Рік тому
Good job on real journalist work. Felt like I was back in the 90s watching 20/20 for a moment haha
@unition2226 2 роки тому
might work well for combining with recycling technologies to eventually render the materials inert or seperated.
@pendarshahbazi4613 2 роки тому
Amazing report! Thank you so much.
@larslysdahl4586 2 роки тому
Great documentary. Although it is not up to date on LFP. There are decent range evs from Tesla and BYD with lfp batteries today. Also, often a lot of the energy density lost at the cell level is gained at the pack level, thus lfp and nickel based have almost the same energy density in a pack. Also lfp allows for 100% state of charge daily which improves your practical range, not having to plan ahead like you do with nickel based batteries, where daily charge is recommended at 80%. Also lfp costs are at $60/kwh today compared to nmc at 100.
@radomirbossev1300 2 роки тому
They had a small comment about that right at the end of the video. But BYD is so slept on... They are so well vertically integrated, even better than Tesla, making their own batteries and chips. I saw they were on track to become the 2nd largest battery manufacturer just behind CATL. And that blade battery they have looks really good. I expect them to become one of the powerhouses to come out of China and flood EU markets. With the pace they are growing I'm pretty sure they will be a big part of the reason legacy OEMs go out of business this decade.
@gregvanpaassen 2 роки тому
@@radomirbossev1300 Agree...although some of BYD's key patents are due to expire next year, apparently.
@mrd9421 2 роки тому
Thumbs up CNBC! Very informative documentary.
@CharlesLukoba 2 роки тому
This is really good production CNBC!
@techcafe0 2 роки тому
@4:15 you got Anode and Cathode mixed up; the Anode is positive (+) terminal of the battery, and Cathode negative (-)
@geofry40 2 роки тому
It depends if the battery is charging or discharging. On discharge the negative electrode is the anode, but on charging the negative electrode is the cathode. For this reason saying positive or negative electrode to refer to the different parts is more accurate. But in the field, people generally mean the negative electrode(graphite) when they say anode, and positive electrode(NMC) when they say cathode.
@johnpetit7863 2 роки тому
The BYD blade battery is cobalt free and the safest battery by far. Only battery to pass the nail through test. Also very good in extreme heat and cold.
@upperjohn117aka 2 роки тому
Removing cobalt also has 100% less child slave labour
@user-cr1983 2 роки тому
They might break slave cobalt producers but it does not mean slaves are going to be free, probably they might be use in another industries. It is Just marketing not a whole solution, but it is better if it is real.
@brogcooper25 2 роки тому
Refining gasoline requires cobalt. We should probably try to move away from that and to cobalt free EVs.
@upperjohn117aka 2 роки тому
@@brogcooper25 not saying we shouldnt move to it evs are waaay better then gas but it would be nice to seem the repairable and actually able to be recycled instead of charging 20k for a new battery
@upperjohn117aka 2 роки тому
@@user-cr1983 currently a lawsuit against tech giants for it google, microsoft, apple, tesla etc they just bury it because their platforms can
@tompeled6193 2 роки тому
There's Blackbird mine in Idaho which we can reopen.
@TWUMKWAME5 2 роки тому
This documentary is well made, lam really impressed.
@Kirnotsarg 2 роки тому
A sequel of 'Blood Diamond' could be in the making, titled 'Blood Cobalt'.
@silasdietrich7464 2 роки тому
One of my favorite movies the main actors were phenomenal
@user-kz3db9zw5z 2 роки тому
HemaCobalt
@tombaja4.9 2 роки тому
Don't forget the EMF Radiation. Now add a phone and go through a radar trap. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz DING
@arnowisp6244 2 роки тому
Just go with the catch-all 'Blood Minerals'.
@Neojhun 2 роки тому
@@tombaja4.9 That makes no sense. The amount of EMF these device make even a EVs is problematically tiny. Thus why we have Reception problems and connectivity issues. The signal is soo weak it's easy to be blocked. BEVs have to conform to insane EMF requirement to this point it has not interfere with AM Radio Recievers. The EMF Noise output is insanely small and way safer than harmless.
@srikanthgonuguntala 2 роки тому
People of Indian origin doing great things
@ericcarabetta1161 2 роки тому
I'm now going to spend the next several hours going down the fascinating rabbit hole of battery chemistry, this documentary gave me just enough of a tasty taste and now I want more.
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
Don't forget a ball of wool ;-)
@thetrainhopper8992 2 роки тому
This issue with electric cars is the need for lithium. Even if each cell only needs 7 milligrams of lithium, that still ads up to millions of smartphones worth of batteries. And smartphones are way more useful in the grand scheme of things than 1 car. And we don't have the capacity to mine enough lithium. The answer is less cars, not more.
@edwardbyard6540 2 роки тому
We don’t really mine lithium. We extract it from brine. Also, there is a lot of lithium in seawater. That can be extracted, but not cost effectively right now. That time will come, though. Lithium carbonate can also be reclaimed.
@georgeb5262 2 роки тому
@@edwardbyard6540 But LiCO3 isn't exactly good for the environment.
@KhamusSolo 2 роки тому
I for one am glad that Train hopper& friends are smarter than everyone else! They seen a problem and then provided an answer JUST LIKE THAT. Holy smokes... What else of the worlds problems can these guys solve I wonder?!
@shadfletcher6815 2 роки тому
If your shocked by child labor for cobalt,look up child labor for chocolate,I could be wrong but I've heard it was just as bad or worse
@kitemanmusic 2 роки тому
Well it can't be worse. Cocoa pods grow on trees, so harvesting is much cleaner than digging in wet soil. Not defending slavery.
@johnwang9914 2 роки тому
Or for coffee. There are countless products whose production is morally questionable including the clothes you wear.
@FeldwebelWolfenstool 2 роки тому
...there's plenty of Cobalt in Canada, but the First World end-users want to keep paying Third World prices for the stuff...
@mwbgaming28 2 роки тому
If you call $800/kwh third world prices...
@ytcgking 2 роки тому
Cause the Americans only want to get material cheaply from those countries that they can harass. Look at what they did to the middle east when they rely on oil and is now completely pulled out in a few mouths once the EV switch is in full motion. I am sure we would be in big trouble if Cobalt only exist in Canada and they can't get away from it
@mwbgaming28 2 роки тому
@@ytcgking my point is, you day end users want to pay 3rd world prices for things, yet the batteries produced from 3rd world Labor cost around $800/kWh for the end user to buy (despite the manufacturing price being about 30% of that)
@NextGHaHaHa 2 роки тому
@@mwbgaming28 800$ for the entire battery pack 800$ per kwh would mean the model s battery has 80000$ of cobalt in it...
@mwbgaming28 2 роки тому
@@NextGHaHaHa for me to go online and purchase lithium cells, the calculated cost of the cells is around $800/kWh (meaning I pay $800 for 1kwh of cells)
@jsgsmile 2 роки тому
By the way: we have now magnet and copper free motors, too.
@fredsalter1915 2 роки тому
We can replace the copper that's used in electric motors with tuna meat!
@davidwalker2144 2 роки тому
none have found the "cure for death" or " locust causing farmine" COBALT FREE Electrical vehicles not even government Grant's? We are so backward in kindaholic God help 😢
@deathgun3110 2 роки тому
Mahle has rare earth free motors in their portfolio, but copper is still in use.
@mancavestudios8955 2 роки тому
Just a friendly reminder that EV's are a small part in the pursuit of ecological sustainability! Changing our city's zoning code to allow for density and mixed use are important aspects for reducing car dependency.
@nicholasthon973 2 роки тому
Good thing Tesla is switching to LFP (no cobalt) and uses low cobalt NCA.
@4literv6 2 роки тому
Shh can't having people know the truth now. Doesn't fit the narrative. 😀
@freethinker424 2 роки тому
Is that why their cars catch on fire sometimes?
@4literv6 2 роки тому
@@freethinker424 see 209,000+privately owned vehicle fires in the us alone per the nhsta and ntsb 2020 statistics. Got any comments on those by chance? Yeah I didn't think so. 😏
@LSniumUwU 2 роки тому
Good thing ill continue driving gas cars.
@visceral_investing 2 роки тому
@@4literv6 lol that 209k is spread across all the manufacturers across the US. maybe look at the % per cars sold for each manufacturer instead
@Con_Bondo 2 роки тому
Sunrise Mine in Australia 🌅 Asx: SRL largest Cobat mine outside of Africa. 100% powered by renewable energy. Lowest cost mining. Refined on site. Look it up 👌💯 CNBC should do a piece on it and interview Robert Friedland about it.
@downstream0114 2 роки тому
Regardless of individual sources, increased demand for the metal will translate to more mining in Africa.
@Con_Bondo 2 роки тому
@@downstream0114 of course it will. But not as much as you think. Most big corps will move to "ethically" and "environmentally " friendly source cobalt. Mainly the chinese pushing the DRC not so much the western in the future.
@mwanikimwaniki6801 2 роки тому
@@downstream0114 and more suffering for the locals.
@joelado 7 місяців тому
Right off the bat, batteries without cobalt such as lithium iron phosphate (also called LiPO4 or LFP) batteries are less prone to fires, in other words much safer than those that contain it. Secondly, Tesla's Standard Range Plus Model 3s and its Model Y Standard Range vehicles sold in the U.S. use LFP batteries. Ford is building a battery factory in the U.S. that will make exclusively LFP batteries for all its EVs opening very soon. So the industry is going cobalt free very soon. LFP batteries are again safer, less prone to fires and the kicker is much, much cheaper than those batteries that contain cobalt. The downside of the batteries is that they are less energy dense at this point than those that contain cobalt, so you tend not to see them in the companies longer range vehicles, at this time. Advancements are being made in battery chemistry and vehicle efficiency that will, shortly, bring us much longer ranging cobalt free batteries. The future is looking brighter and brighter.
@chitwnhood 2 роки тому
13:10 dude is rockin' that 240p!
@okunrin3 2 роки тому
Shout out to Chibueze, my homeboy and professor of molecular engineering. Well done Baba. 9ja no dey carry last. #Proud.
@CapitalJ25 2 роки тому
The anode is the positively charged end of the battery and the cathode is the negatively charged end of the battery.
@billsmith5109 2 роки тому
Good job dogsplaining.
@mauricioweber8879 5 місяців тому
Good in depth options in the future!
@evukelectricvehicles 2 роки тому
No mention of BYD' s market-leading, cobalt-free Blade batteries which were designed with recyclablity as a top priority. China has also finally persuaded Western carmakers including Tesla to shift from li-ion to lithium iron phosphate - Tesla Model 3's powered by LiFePo still have a longer range than most of its competitors like VW, Nissan(Leaf), GM(Bolt) etc etc Paul G(Editor: EVUK since...1999)
@justicedemocrat9357 2 роки тому
No, they definitely mentioned BYD and LFPs.
@juz882010 Рік тому
great for us Aussies, Chine buying even more Iron ore from us... prices going through the roof soon.
@starvictory7079 2 роки тому
Northvolt in Sweden will mine and make EV batteries as well as recycling.
@elysium76 2 роки тому
Kudos to the modern day alchemist
@GamerbyDesign 2 роки тому
There is no alchemy going on here only chemistry.
@EddieKMusic 2 роки тому
@@GamerbyDesign Wrong. Alchemists at tesla taste different chemicals to determine the best composition for the batteries.
@elysium76 2 роки тому
@@GamerbyDesign you must be fun at parties
@GamerbyDesign 2 роки тому
@@EddieKMusic They taste them huh?
@rosavela3748 2 роки тому
we've ordered the white S dual motor fsd while our tri motor cybertuck gets here. we have lots of solar & backup battery to charge them both at home..
@pargevkarapetyan2251 Рік тому
Greate news ,geting read of cobalt making batterys👌👍
@richardwainwright507 2 роки тому
Investment in US battery production is great. Anything to reduce our dependence on China is good.
@honkhonk8009 2 роки тому
true. we gotta put money on automation if we even hope to compete with china.
@arnowisp6244 2 роки тому
Should do a trade war on Seeds China buys. That can cripple them.
@anshumanpurohit6335 2 роки тому
Cobalt and Nickel free solid state battery are the future of EV industries. Cobalt and Nickel also contaminates the environment after e-waste.
@bobspizza7444 2 роки тому
Platinum is used in solid state batteries. Do some research on how little platinum we have. No way we have enough to power all those batteries. They have used graphene but the energy production is 30% less and battery life is as well
@diaconoamon 2 роки тому
So the question is What is the best ETFs for invest LIT or BATT? Maybe BATT in long
@rhishitvasinghraghuvanshi7513 2 роки тому
@4:15 The anode is +ve and cathode is -ve end of the battery
@Alexiscruz-er2jo 2 роки тому
I love these videos so informative
@dcvariousvids8082 2 роки тому
Cheaper to manufacture but such saving will not filter down to buyers. Just as battery packs have fallen in manufacturing cost over the last ten+ years by six fold but the EVs have continued to rise in retail pricing. If you want to save money from EV adoption, buy shares in the companies that make them.
@kneekoo 2 роки тому
Quality stuff from CNBC. Impressive. :)
@maramarsu8204 2 роки тому
What are the realistic time lines for these techs to be in cars that you can buy? Like the solid state stuff?
@Top5AutoRepairs 2 роки тому
This video is great 👍 👌
@Tresla 2 роки тому
While it will likely bring the cost of batteries down, I bet the price of the Tesla Model 3 will stay the same. They've seen that no matter how high they raise their prices, people still want them.
@Simon-dm8zv 2 роки тому
Exactly. Demand is not the problem :D
@harsimranbansal5355 2 роки тому
Since tesla now has a run rate of 1 million units, they have achieved a lot of the cost reductions due to scale, the other EV makers haven’t so this will help them more to make EVs at a profit.
@rolando2700 2 роки тому
It will help margins for a cheaper model
@charleslloyd4253 2 роки тому
Cobalt in lithium batteries help stabilize the batteries so to keep them from shorting out and exploding. But safety in automobiles is no longer a major concern. When people verses profit. People lose.
@caseyford3368 2 роки тому
Run Nano threading throughout the whole structure of EVs to turn them into a big battery that lasts for a very long time. Have a direct connect to the axle of EVs to super charge them. No more plugging in.
@gerards.5514 2 роки тому
No. The electrolyte does not conduct electricity. When that happens, it's called a short and a fire breaks out. The electrolyte permits ionic transport (the lithium ions). Electricity is conducted through wires connecting the anode to the cathode, with your electronics or motor in between.
@Blindjager 2 роки тому
I don't have the time right now to tell you how wrong you are. Let me know if you want papers proving you wrong, a simple google search would do the same.
@Subwolfer7564 2 роки тому
@@Blindjager Bring on the papers Oh right and the "simple google search" brought me this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery "A lithium-ion battery or Li-ion battery is a type of rechargeable battery in which lithium ions move from the negative electrode through an electrolyte to the positive electrode during discharge, and back when charging. Li-ion batteries use an intercalated lithium compound as the material at the positive electrode and typically graphite at the negative electrode. " first link in google, and first sentence on the document.
@TS-ij9cz 2 роки тому
Ions, a charged particle, being transported, is technically what? That’s right, an electric current. (AKA - electricity). Oh yeah, whatever happened to conservation of current? Magically, a battery has no current running through the electrolyte between anode and cathode, yet the circuit connected to said anode and cathode does?
@TS-ij9cz 2 роки тому
@@Subwolfer7564 do you even know what you are talking about?
@Subwolfer7564 2 роки тому
@@TS-ij9cz Im literally an electrical technician. A battery does not act the same as a plain wire, if it did, batteries would be useless.
@ashwinikumar1243 2 роки тому
Both the start-up founders are Indians😅. Here in India too many companies and startups are already developing graphene based batteries and aloe vera based organic batteries too.
@mr88cet 2 місяці тому
Another advantage of LFP is that they can be routinely charged to full, discharged to zero, and stored at high charge with very little degradation. NMC and Lithium-Polymer batteries should not be charged completely full nor discharged to empty, and should not maintain high charge for long times. Their charge levels are trickier to manage than LFP, in short. However, LFP batteries must not be kept at low-charge for long.
@dinner85 2 роки тому
Great presenter. Thank you.
@joshhalliday7903 2 роки тому
Cheaper, less terrible on the environment, less held hostage by China……
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@Josh... : see my other comment about Hydrogen fuel cells.
@ambessashield9360 2 роки тому
China produce everything you own. You’re brainwashed by western media & propaganda.
@112313 2 роки тому
"less held hostage by china"...? you mean america is not holding china hostage by blacklisting their companies? hmm....weird standard.
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@@112313 : All US companies are blacklisted by the CCP. No foreign countries can even list.
@buildmotosykletist1987 2 роки тому
@@ambessashield9360 : Except all the produce the CCP desperately need that's produced in Australia, Argentina, etc, etc.
@Dayanto 2 роки тому
When Tesla mentions "high nickel", they're talking about their new cobalt-free nickel-based chemistry, not NCA. They also have a cobalt-free nickel-manganese chemistry with a lower fraction of nickel.
@jonathanpalmquist4894 2 роки тому
I don’t think they’ve ever said that the current nickel is totally cobalt free, just that they’ve reduced it a lot and are working on reducing it further, down to nothing, eventually.
@Simon-dm8zv 2 роки тому
@@jonathanpalmquist4894 Correct. Tesla never claimed the new cells to be cobalt free.
@benjaminnead8557 2 роки тому
Tesla's "new" cobalt-free chemistry is, in fact, an evolution of classic LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate, LiFePO4, etc.,) which has been around for many years. The cells are made by the Chinese firm, CATL, who is the largest battery manufacturer ofn the planet. More on it here . . . ukposts.info/have/v-deo/fpSLgG6JfWmlyX0.html
@Simon-dm8zv 2 роки тому
@@benjaminnead8557 Yes, those are for the lower range vehicles.
@benjaminnead8557 2 роки тому
@@Simon-dm8zv Well, yes and no. The previous iteration of the Standard Range Model 3 with NCA cells has only about 10 miles more range per charge than the equivalent LFP-equipped vehicle. Also, LFP packs can be charged to a higher capacity without danger of damaging the cells and the packs are longer life overall. So, it could be argued that the LFP Model 3s are are superior in terms of range and longevity under real world operating conditions when compared to the NCA ones.
@MrEugeneleo 2 роки тому
very informative!!
@Liz-tu8nf 2 роки тому
Great explanation. Thanks!
@davidbeppler3032 2 роки тому
Nickel is the problem. Why is the news 10 years behind the real information? Cobalt is affecting Cell phone batteries, not EV batteries. lmao Tesla used 2000 tonnes of cobalt in 2020 to produce 500,000 cars. That is about 8lbs per car. The battery pack weights 1060lbs. Both GM and Ford used more Cobalt in that same year to produce 20% as many BEVs.
@xavierzacheriah6038 2 роки тому
Money
@42luke93 2 роки тому
For a moment I thought this was about GM 😂
@kbram7363 2 роки тому
These videos are amazing
@inquisitvem6723 2 роки тому
So the key is buying stocks in companies that invested in cobalt extraction…any suggestions?
@airgunningyup 2 роки тому
seems to me , whether were going electric , gas, natural gas, hydrogen it wont really matter.. People will suffer in poor countries , and lots of pollution will be created.
@Simon-dm8zv 2 роки тому
Emissions of EVs are far lower.
@user-lz3sv5sw9u 2 роки тому
If we all switched to EVs, overall amount of greenhouse gases would only go down by about 12% because our power plants, factories, and agriculture still make up 70% of greenhouse gas emissions.
@alexsiemers7898 2 роки тому
@@user-lz3sv5sw9u chances are, the money spent on making tech like EVs viable is making renewables and energy storage more viable too
@airgunningyup 2 роки тому
@@Simon-dm8zv its always the ramp up that needs to be examined...but agreed obviously
@user-lz3sv5sw9u 2 роки тому
@@alexsiemers7898 Switching to clean, reliable energy is a necessity if we're already gonna be switching to EVs. On top of that, I think investing more into carbon capture technologies is also another important step since fossil fuels will continue to be burnt for decades to come.
@TopVillain 2 роки тому
Africa should be the richest continent on earth with its rare earth mining but what’s going on
@589supra 2 роки тому
Devalued currency. Wait until one world currency comes out creating a level playing field
@CoZmicShReddeR 2 роки тому
Good stuff! ;)
@kurtisengle6256 2 роки тому
Iron Phosphate is great. Almost fireproof. Non-toxic. Recyclable. Lasts an incredible number of charges. BUT. How about a carbon anode, carbon cathode battery? Carbon is even cheaper than Iron. It's made from burnt cotton. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carbon_battery "As an electrolyte, the cell uses one or more lithium salts in an aprotic organic solvent. These remain unspecified, but as an example in a patent, the group uses a system consisting of lithium hexafluorophosphate (LiPF 6) as the salt, and ethylene carbonate (EC) and dimethyl carbonate (DMC), mixed in a 1:2 volume ratio, as solvent." Basically, the Lithium and Flourophospate go in opposite directions to their opposing carbon corners on discharge, and return to the electrolyte to join up on recharge.
@samproud2165 2 роки тому
Why is US media so painfully far behind when it comes to understanding EVs? Oh, right, advertising revenue.
@xlynx9 2 роки тому
What do you mean? This video seems current.
@GoGoPooerRangers 2 роки тому
Wtf are you talking about? Lol
@robmarkovitch 2 роки тому
Laptops and cell phones have cobalt batteries. Also, Tesla is using LFP in all standard range vehicles and phasing out cobalt altogether.
@mastercard8548 2 роки тому
Will cabonat help in blue energy, as th permit to market in charge? Votelly, JBO
@zodiacfml 2 роки тому
good job, 6 minutes in and you're starting to talk about LFP batteries. for large applications, LFP is going to be king of batteries.
@MM-np4md 2 роки тому
What's the difference caused by removing cobalt if nickel, manganese and iron are all mined metals as well?
@danielcarroll3358 2 роки тому
To get a pound/kg of cobalt you have to dig up a lot more stuff than you have to for a pound/kg of the other metals.
@Simon-dm8zv 2 роки тому
And less complex to mine and less rare
@Mathis218337 2 роки тому
Because unlike oil, it’s mined once and recycled.
@linmal2242 2 роки тому
Well you can't have modern tech or a modern life at all without mining.! You volunteering to go back to living in a cave?
@MM-np4md 2 роки тому
@@danielcarroll3358 thanks for the input, I appreciate it 🤝
@keemankeelam1660 2 роки тому
we used to call this evolution now everything must be praised. faster cheaper better.
@yjk5430 2 роки тому
Evolution for a battery? LOL
@jameswest4819 2 роки тому
Cobalt is present in large quantities on the ocean floor in the Cook Islands.
@YourBoyRob 2 роки тому
So in 5, 10 years will replacement of a current Model 3 Performance (and LR).... be expensive, hard, or impossible? Or would they replace it with cobalt Lithium again? (watch video first)
@axellacaze9115 2 роки тому
Good question, if designs are compatible you should be able to just swap batteries and continue to use your vehicule. It should technically be quite feasible.
@drunksquirrel2051 2 роки тому
I just got my New RAV4 hybrid Limited so I'll be fine for the next 10 years and then maybe I'll buy a full electric car when the technology and charging abilities are cheap and easy to access
@Smileydudekxy 2 роки тому
Unless….
@eliubfj 2 роки тому
Unless he nets 45mpg on his Rav4 and the cost of switching vehicles doest justify the change.
@drunksquirrel2051 2 роки тому
@@Smileydudekxy unless what?
@DrMDodd 2 роки тому
Electrons flow from Cathode(-ve) to anode (+ve)
@DrMDodd 2 роки тому
@Alter Kater my point was that the video said the oposite
@CobaltLobster 2 роки тому
I hate that stupid abbreviation of adding ve to (+) (-). I'm not sure when it started but it's been since I was trained on electronics 20 years ago. The ve adds nothing.
@andriv3r415 2 роки тому
quality content as always
@ShamileII 2 роки тому
Amazing! A new frontier of business development for America!
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