How They Caught The Golden State Killer
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2 роки томуYour genetic code is probably already in a database, without you ever giving a sample or permission. This video is sponsored by Brilliant. The first 200 people to sign up via brilliant.org/veritasium get 20% off a yearly subscription.
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A huge thanks to Paul Holes, Billy Jensen, Brett Williams, Dr Connie Bormans and Dr Doc Edge for being part of this video. Thanks to Verogen and Family Tree DNA for giving me access to film.
Thanks to Sonya Pemberton, Joe Hanson, Raquel Nuno, CGP Grey, and numerous Patreon supporters for helpful feedback on an earlier version of this video.
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Phillips, C. (2018). The Golden State Killer investigation and the nascent field of forensic genealogy. Forensic Science International: Genetics, 36, 186-188. -- ve42.co/Phillips2018
Guerrini, C. J., Robinson, J. O., Petersen, D., & McGuire, A. L. (2018). Should police have access to genetic genealogy databases? Capturing the Golden State Killer and other criminals using a controversial new forensic technique. PLoS biology, 16(10), e2006906. -- ve42.co/Guerrini
Ram, N., Guerrini, C. J., & McGuire, A. L. (2018). Genealogy databases and the future of criminal investigation. Science, 360(6393), 1078-1079. -- ve42.co/Ram2019
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@_nemo 2 роки тому
Wow, that DuckDuckGo ending really hits a certain ironic spot.
@gasun1274 2 роки тому
she should've used startpage
@LukeSumIpsePatremTe 2 роки тому
Where is the irony?
@wouterzonneveld2305 2 роки тому
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe how do you not see the irony in this lol
@superbbackhand180 2 роки тому
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I agree. I fail to see the irony in someone maintaining a catalog of peoples DNA and being able to track them, without even use of the service nor consent being worried about their own privacy and not wanting to be cataloged in Googles database, even though they would give consent for it
@ezerish 2 роки тому
And family pictures on the wall being blurred out for privacy
@pedroscoponi4905 2 роки тому
The issue with me isn't so much whether my privacy outweighs the need to catch violent criminals, it's whether I can trust institutions to not abuse of the privacy we've given up. And you really, really can't - and as the video demonstrates, even if you distrust them to the point of not being willing to share information yourself, your privacy might still be intruded upon anyway. This is a really complex, kinda haunting thing to think about.
@vezokpiraka 2 роки тому
Yeah. If it's strictly used to catch violent criminals, I'm more than happy to help, but it's never going to stop there.
@connect2437 2 роки тому
@@vezokpiraka I assume it would actually. At least in name. I am fearful thought that it could be used to setup anyone and in massive, massive numbers.
@TechyBen 2 роки тому
What about DNA production? If someone "fakes" DNA at a crime scene? The world is getting more and more complicated. But this process in general seems to help track down more evidence, and that is a good thing.
@MBunn-uf1we 2 роки тому
it's already out of peoples control now, innumerable corporations and public institutions make use of powerful algorithms to search databases like this all the time, examples include the risk assessment software used by insurance companies, credit scoring by finance, to the risk assessment software being used by courts.
@MrSpikegee 2 роки тому
Yeah the dude comparing a loss to someone’s privacy is totally missing the point. Probably on purpose. It’s a prelude to the stance politicians will take to have dangerous laws passed.
@CREEmusic Рік тому
I love how the video ends on her not wanting her searches tracked while promoting everyone have their DNA tracked LOL. The problem has never been a system being used correctly, its always been its misuse.
@joelt7869 Рік тому
It's a genius addition to the video. Hypocrite.
@frostfamily5321 Рік тому
Isn't this problem there not being a law saying that health insurance companies are required to charge all of their customers the same price because that law prevents disability discrimination.
@Anon_571 11 місяців тому
Yet liberals claim that governments and other orgs like the FBI, NSA, CIA, WHO, WEF, etc., couldn't possibly misuse their power or fall into corruption. Only a liberals' conspiracy theory can be taken seriously? Funny how that works.
@MADNESSCOMBAT10 11 місяців тому
@@frostfamily5321the US is the only western country without universal healthcare. The Insurance lobby can do whatever they want in that country. It will 100% come to this.
@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS 11 місяців тому
@@joelt7869 That isn't hypocritical. Hyprocisy is the practise of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case. You can simultaneously encourage people to do something seeing a greater collectively achieved good whilst also saying you don't want to do that thing yourself. There is no claim there of having a higher standard or a more noble belief. It's important not to get the micro confused with the macro. Often times two different standards are going to be totally justified when you're dealing with two totally different things. An extreme example to highlight the difference is, I might personally think that murder is wrong, and I might preach to others that they shouldn't murder, but I might also be completely open about the fact that I murder people regularly and I can't help myself because it feels so good. In that case, I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not pretending to have higher standards. I'm openly admitting that I'm doing a bad thing whilst preaching that others should do the opposite.
@kartik_adhia Рік тому
Her using duck duck go was the best part of this video. Sorta summarizes how skewed people can be when it comes to them personally vs others.
@squid2754 Рік тому
to be fair, we're talking about different types of information. duck duck go prevents you from online tracking, which can certainly lead to a myriad of different cyber-issues compared to sharing one's genetic information.
@fourierbird Рік тому
What in the world are you on about? Did you even listen to her views on genetic privacy?
@GauravSingh-ky6qr Рік тому
I was going to comment this! Take this duck 🦆
@poopingducks Рік тому
Love that she was using it on Chrome lmao.
@mateobravo9212 Рік тому
Well seen!
@incorporealnuance 2 роки тому
"he did everything he could to leave no trace" he was a cop, wasn't he. "former police officer" LOL
@prabhatsingh9111 2 роки тому
My hunch is loner type of a guy , well could be a cop as well, probably a small buisness owner, who could stalked the prey in his free time, and location of houses should have played a big role, probably wouldnt have attacked someone living in a busy street/apartment complex
@witticisms 2 роки тому
@@prabhatsingh9111 it was a former cop according to the video.
@pestbarn 2 роки тому
Yup! The Golden State Killer is Joseph DeAngelo, a former police officer who committed at least 13 murders, 50 rapes, and 120 burglaries across California between 1974 and 1986.
@johnestupido1418 2 роки тому
@@pestbarn A man needs a hobby.
@David-rj1ru 2 роки тому
@@prabhatsingh9111 BAAAAAAAD PRRRRROOOOOOOFFFIIIIIIIIILLLLLLEEEEE
@GaltJohn2008 2 роки тому
My biggest problem with this is the enormous amount of DNA tracking and testing to find a criminal is OK, but death row inmates who get exonerated have to petition the court for years for a DNA test on existing samples to prove their innocence.
@woutermollema 2 роки тому
I expect law enforcement to be very selective who they spend their recources on weather it's to catch the bad guys or protect the innocent. Life is not particularly fair.
@JacobthePoshPotato 2 роки тому
Pretty one sided isnt it.
@david-dj8or 2 роки тому
Even if there is evidence to fully clear a suspect it can be withheld, the suspect is told to run along and forget about it and the cloud is left hanging over his head
@JacobthePoshPotato 2 роки тому
@@david-dj8or not to meantion media has already told everyone that person knows and destroyed their reputation forever.
@KaitouKaiju 2 роки тому
@@woutermollema easy enough to say that when you're not the one being imprisoned wrongfully. Meanwhile the actual criminal is running free
@SevenGC89 Рік тому
I think the scariest part of the whole video was how he was involved with the taskforce actively working to catch him and I remember hearing the story of the guy in the group saying something to the effect of "If he ever came into my house I would kill him" or something to that effect and he was actually in the group listening to the whole thing and hit that dudes house shortly after. Pretty scary how you really never know what goes on behind closed doors of people you think you know.
@Asiandramas99 5 місяців тому
When in the start of video those guys mentioned that the killer was not leaving any fingerprints… I immediately thought it could be someone from police or who work closely with fingerprints thing… I don’t know if investigators at that time thought about it
@TransistorBased 2 місяці тому
Kira...
@TIOLIOfficial Місяць тому
If that is true, I love that story. Too many quasi tough guys.
@nodruj8681 Місяць тому
It's most likely a myth. nut the fact that you want a 'tough guy' to have his wife r a p e d or for him to be killed is such a loser thing to say, i can tell you have revenge fantasies against more popular folks@@TIOLIOfficial
@The_ZeroLine Місяць тому
@@Asiandramas99It only takes not being an idiot to ensure not leaving prints. Luckily, most criminals ARE idiots and extremely reckless.
@BM-jy6cb Рік тому
In the UK, the RIPA act was introduced "to counter terrorism". It wasn't long before local councils were using it to snoop on people who were using relative's addresses to get their kids into a decent school or even those putting their bins it for collection on the wrong day. When the National DNA database was set up, it was supposed to be for convicted criminals to prevent further offending. When Tony Bliar was later asked what proportion of the UK population he'd like to see on the database, he replied "the maximum possible". The police asked the general public in Croydon for their help catching a serial rapist by giving a DNA sample "simply to eliminate them from the investigation". All their DNA was immediately put on the national DNA database and the police refused to remove it after the investigation was closed. When COVID struck, police were given unprecedented powers "to protect the public". Almost immediately, stories broke about police using drones to identify people walking their dog in the middle of the countryside and videos appeared with police officers threatening people with arrest for letting their kids play in their front gardens. Do I trust current governments and state institutions? No. Do I trust future governments and institutions? Absolutely not!
@harrywhittaker7563 Рік тому
>Bliar I see what you did there lol
@barbthegreat586 Рік тому
In what relation are the use of drones and DNA database?
@jimpim6454 Рік тому
Tony Blair, vile creature who should be in the tower of London for demographically and culturally obliterating a once great country.
@WiltedGoldRoses Рік тому
@@barbthegreat586 the point is that whether it’s through drones or DNA analysis, people in power are known to use technological advancements to violate our civil rights.
@xcurrentbreeze6626 Рік тому
@@barbthegreat586 Both are powers being abused by the government. It's really not that hard to see the relation...
@mehwhyausername1 2 роки тому
"My biggest concern is health insurance. If you have someone's DNA profile, and that gets into the wrong hands, or laws enacted, resulting in health insurance companies having access to knowing that this person has a proclivity to Parkinson's, then rates could skyrocket. This is a massive privacy issue." there needs to be a full video about this and other downsides
@gatisfauss5400 2 роки тому
It's a Twilight kind of scenario. But be sure any data if chance strikes will be abused. And reality show that seemingly minuscule data places gathered in large enough quantity grants thus possibility.
@chriskeel3096 2 роки тому
they got your freaking dna and you major concern is insurance rates? stop worshipping the dollar, psychophant. they can clone you, and accuse you of what your clone did, thats not concerning?
@PapaWheelie1 2 роки тому
@@chriskeel3096 - I can think of easier and cheaper ways of setting someone up
@archiemisc 2 роки тому
@@chriskeel3096 They can't instantly clone an adult version of you. Stop reading those conspiracy theory blogs.
@drmadjdsadjadi 2 роки тому
It is illegal for health insurance companies to use genetic information to determine rates or deny coverage. Go look up the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008. Life insurance companies, disability insurance companies, and long-term care insurance companies, on the other hand . . . .
@theondono 2 роки тому
It’s curious to see everyone in the video talking as if data breaches are not a thing. Dna like all biometrics is tricky because once it’s out, there’s no way to make it private again.
@Secret_Moon 2 роки тому
Yeah. Give me flashback of that Apple backdoor key.
@banzaigerm 2 роки тому
what is this insane technique by this commenter to clickbait their profile(s)???
@CoffeeD_1 2 роки тому
You can’t change your DNA code after its breached. And I also really feel like we have another snowdon-esque scenario before us, just with DNA
@bigmango1376 2 роки тому
@@banzaigerm report them, I did the same.
@david_junior 2 роки тому
@@Secret_Moon 😳Could you please talk more about that
@thebigman8250 Місяць тому
That moment where the scientist said she was paranoid about privacy really hits. Insanely human moment.
@expomarker Рік тому
It was one day in 4th grade, it was just a regular school day for me and my brother. During recess we saw a few helicopters flying around our school, and we thought we were getting filmed, so of course we wave and said hi as all children would. A few years later we find out those helicopters weren't filming us, but instead the house of the Golden state killer. He lived in the same block as my house, my elementary school, and we never knew.
@joelt7869 Рік тому
That's what you get for living in California
@tyranneous 2 роки тому
I'm not worried about the DNA part, the bit I'm anxious about is the misuse of the police. It is _SO_ easy to put someone's DNA somewhere. It's so easy to implicate someone.
@Superduper666 2 роки тому
True. Blow your nose and they have your DNA to smear around.
@thetalantonx 2 роки тому
Right? They caught the guy from DNA on his car door and in his trash. You ever throw away any DNA samples? Ever have a cold or hayfever?
@nochance3914 2 роки тому
Do you think CCTV footages have left job or retired or what? Infact I know a story of a guy from India who avoided serious charge against him just because he used an ATM 500 km away from the location of murder at the same time. Few people killed life of a girl and put the blame on the guy and said he ran away. Feminist media took this and he soon became a national criminal. Only one News Channel that has Wion from India helped and investigated for the boy and his life was saved.
@trumpetperson11 2 роки тому
Exactly. What if some murderer decides to steal some tissues from the trash and wipe them around whenever he goes to kill someone. DNA 'evidence' seems like a slippery slope. People seem to trust it implicitly because, well, it is very accurate. But this completely blinds them on the fact that there is no proof that the DNA found is even linked to the killer.
@zahirkhan778 2 роки тому
You know what i hadnt thought about this.
@manojkulkarni4692 2 роки тому
The fact that it took two years (noticed the calendar) for you to collect the whole data shows the level of dedication and effort put into making a video informative. I like how you grew from making scientific explanation videos to making videos about how science actually helps the world.
@michaeld4861 2 роки тому
Right! That's quite impressive. Wonder how many videos he has in the works right now.
@vince4503 2 роки тому
yeah, Oct 2019. Almost 2 years now from the interview, holy.
@itsnotyasir 2 роки тому
Wow... great catch.
@NWoutdoorsman 2 роки тому
I noticed that as well
@pepelepew1227 2 роки тому
it also means out of that 100 thousand cold cases with dna, only a few will get caught before the statute of limitations expire due to manpower constraints 😆
@dizasteraz1691 Рік тому
That fact about deangelo being a police officer when he was doing the dirties was really quickly glossed over and brushed away...
@3kodokushi 2 місяці тому
I didnt even heard it. I just know it from the comments now
@masudsaleh5155 Місяць тому
@@3kodokushi😮😮😮😮
@martind.799 11 місяців тому
The problem as briefly mentionned in the video is that it is NOT just about improving public safety tracking criminals. Same data can and will be used (if not already) by a whole lot of other corporations like banks/insurances to filter their customers. I wouldn't be surprised if those innocent looking CEOs aren't referenced in their own databases and not encouraging relatives to give their samples.
@SK-fq1by3977 Місяць тому
Pelosi told members a few years back anyone working at Pentagon not to do Ancestry DNA. 🤔🤔🤔
@rikuown 2 роки тому
Makes sense that he stopped when DNA testing came out being that he was a former police officer.
@coolfer2 2 роки тому
Yeah and also how his crimes were done so cleanly
@jessiesargent7212 2 роки тому
Which proves that he was always capable of controlling his behavior. He's not crazy
@adrianbundy3249 2 роки тому
Apparently not a very good police officer though, not accounting for the big thing we know. He didn't even last the decade, and was fired in 1979 after trying to shoplift, and was sentenced to 6 months, and subsequently removed from public service. His employment history for the 1980s is mysterious, but from 1990 to when he was captured, a truck mechanic. He had a history of breaking the law, like not paying for gas, 1996, and threatening the police chief when he was fired. Lol. I get the picture he wasn't really liked by many of those in law enforcement decades before he was known for this. Him being an excop only speaks to that.
@naram07 2 роки тому
I was just thinking that when in the video the news reel played
@adrianbundy3249 2 роки тому
@@chiggsytube I'm not sure what you mean. Him, being an ex-officer, going around threatening current officers kind of voids whatever protection you would imagine being an excop would offer, don't you think?
@bartz0rt928 2 роки тому
This is a pretty fundamental debate. The industry people are saying "it's just for solving murders and rapes, and who doesn't want that?" But that limitation is completely arbitrary. They could look for who attended a protest, or a union meeting, or a gathering of political opposition. It's just that, right now, these companies aren't being bribed or coerced into that kind of cooperation. So the things being balanced aren't privacy vs apprehending a murderer, they're apprehending a murderer vs "are you confident that this will never be used in ways you disagree with, even in 100 years?"
@gullintanni 2 роки тому
Germany's nazi party would likely use this kind of information to find people they want to remove. They did similar things during the war.
@DarkDreth 2 роки тому
Yeah, it's pretty crazy that your own family members could violate your own privacy by using these services. Most people don't know or care, but the decisions of others could impact people that do care. If you want to use services that test DNA it should be for medical reasons and performed by a doctor that way it's protected by HIPPAA/other medical privacy laws.
@WorldKeepsSpinnin 2 роки тому
This whole thing seems like a nice excuse to release this technology to the public's knowledge and then convince them to help create a big enough database, With shame tactics like what you said "privacy vs apprehending a murderer". For future uses like the negatives you stated.
@discodecepticon 2 роки тому
An evil government doesn't need us to make a database today for them to do that crap tomorrow... they could just force people to give DNA.
@peter9477 2 роки тому
@@discodecepticon Then it's in the open. The worse risk is that this could happen behind closed doors with a government that is supposedly not evil. If there even is such a thing... it's no longer clear. Basically all current governments appear to be evil, at least in some of their actions.
@ivered6786 6 місяців тому
For several years, they have been trying to convince me to submit my tests to find out about relatives around the world with the help of DNA. And I dragged this decision all the time. And watching this video today, I realized that I did the right thing, that I didn't want to share my analogies for so long. It was called the law on bypassing if necessary.
@ayviondenar3461 Місяць тому
I feel like your decision won’t really matter as long as you have a relative who’s willing to share their genetic data.
@reflex9238 9 днів тому
@@ayviondenar3461 won't give the full picture luckily depending on how close the relatives are, perhaps we could see an entire clan of people who refuse to submit their data to these databases, aside from paternity.
@suyashsngh250 9 місяців тому
I rarely say this, but this is absolutely amazing! I am glad I saw this video. One of the few videos that blew my mind and expanded my way of thinking.
@ErikUden 2 роки тому
“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” - Edward Snowden
@ekkehard8 2 роки тому
It's different, except in the level of ridiculousness
@ivanivanovic5857 2 роки тому
I call the argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" the greatest intellectual goatse of all time.
@lobsterbark 2 роки тому
"Those who don't move don't notice their chains." is a much better quote that communicates the same idea.
@ErikUden 2 роки тому
@@lobsterbark absolutely
@VaiskHD 2 роки тому
@@ivanivanovic5857 seriously lmao. One is about constraining someone to speak because you disagree with them and the other is about constraining someone's liberty because they've got something to hide. Waaaay different levels
@Adam-cs2qm 2 роки тому
In the hands of a theoretical, benevolent government that is able to keep this information from private corporations, this is wonderful. In the real world, with government corruption, private companies lobbying officials, widespread government employees using confidential information for personal use, this is terrifying.
@MrDarren690 2 роки тому
Very true. Good idea but we still have too much rust and rot that abuse is concern :(
@Muskar2 2 роки тому
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Communism is not authoritarian by definition. There's variations from libertarian to authoritarian. To be fair, libertarian ideologies are rarely realized so we are always left with the authoritarian examples in history. But libertarianism originally stems from Marxism/Communism, so I think it's a highly interpretative and politically loaded example. The OP is specifically concerned with centralized power (i.e. authoritarian), and I think it's important to be very specific when dealing with political topics. E.g. your point could be made with dictatorships just as well.
@sjorsangevare 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion The drawback is if the definition of "crime" or "criminal" changes in the future
@__goat__ 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion There was this guy named Hitler, I'm pretty sure you don't want to be in a DNA database when he is in charge, do you?
@Jaguarboy11 2 роки тому
@@Muskar2 You're correct about the existence of social libertarian examples of communism (anarcho-communes, etc), but libertarianism precedes Marxist theory by a good bit, being mostly an offshoot of classical liberalism from the Enlightenment period (Locke, Rousseau, etc)
@shanayaranashetty Місяць тому
FACINATING video. I love the way you put the information together. It’s inspiring to see people in the STEM influencer space communicate such important topics in a simple and engaging manner. Please keep doing what you are doing!!!
@jimothysmithers9476 Рік тому
My mom lived through this, her and my grandparents were terrified when he was in sacramento. The look on my mom's face when he was caught was like everything just came back to her.
@SpareSomeChange8080 2 роки тому
When this company has it's inevitable data breach, it's going to be really interesting.
@spraitukas 2 роки тому
No one would tell the public
@truthboom 2 роки тому
Cloning the DNA then framing people lol
@niXta123 2 роки тому
”When”…
@SpareSomeChange8080 2 роки тому
@@niXta123 I say "when" rather than "if" due to the fact that about 63% of all breaches come from an insider attack rather than an external attack; and the data they're holding is incredibly valuable. An employee who is: pissed off with the company, being blackmailed, being bribed, a member of a unethical competitor, or hacker group destined to commit some form of industrial espionage, is the biggest threat they can face. No firewall or antivirus will stop this, they need to police their employees extremely carefully.
@virtuerse 2 роки тому
Not only will that happen but they will place innocent ppl in jail with their faulty technology. Not impressed by this at all.
@Kingsleyrulz 2 роки тому
The potential for abuse of this in the hands of the state is insane.
@pbp6741 2 роки тому
Chinese Communist Party has entered the conversation.
@Razor-gx2dq 2 роки тому
Tyranny has entered the conversation.
@gasun1274 2 роки тому
the death of a million is a statistic, the death of one is a tragedy. - Stalin this is why we should avoid ourselves getting too emotional based on single cases. ultimately more evil will follow causing suffering for more people for longer if we make uninformed decisions.
@IceSpoon 2 роки тому
I don't even worry about the state, but private companies. Health, food, everything can be tracked down so they offer the best/most profitable products to particular people. The Parkinson example was on point there.
@jlight7346 2 роки тому
Well yeah, but everyone knows that the state has never done anything wrong and never will. /s
@LovingLioness Рік тому
Great video. Thank you so much. This is the best video on this topic that I have seen. Great job!
@djjf94 Рік тому
UKpostss algorithm has been pushing your videos so hard for so long that I am only realizing now that I was not subscribed and I swear that I have been watching your videos for atleast the past year.
@ignemuton5500 2 роки тому
i'm honestly more scared about private companies lobbying governmental institutes to let access this information easily, the thought that a company like microsoft, or google or AT&T or whatever could have access to your DNA is truly terrifying.
@sevoftalpha 2 роки тому
Indeed, during the video I kept looking at Derek and wondering "When is the video gonna address that?" And unfortunately that has barely been mentioned. What companies have done with personal data again and again has been already a scandal and this... oh boy, I don't know, I'd say that 'truly terrifying' sums it nicely
@maskettaman1488 2 роки тому
That's nonsense! Now please enable fingerprint scanning and facial recognition on your phone and laptop. Thanks
@Lyf4rMusic 2 роки тому
@@maskettaman1488 haha they'll give ALL the access to their personal identity info in the name of 'High-tech security' who claim they 'don't store such info on their clouds', but the reality hits like a brick with so many leaks !
@sevoftalpha 2 роки тому
@@maskettaman1488 Hehe, I mean, yeah, indeed. I'm sure in many cases people seem to use two measures and hold contrasting views without paying attention to it. That's not always true, nor does that make some worries less valid, I think.
@Grizabeebles 2 роки тому
What has me concerned is vigilantes uploading other people's raw data without consent and parents uploading their childrens' DNA profiles. Once its out there, you can't get it back.
@ericpeterson6520 2 роки тому
The fact that the serial killer they were looking for turned out to be a police officer really makes me feel more comfortable about giving the police as much power and access to private information as possible
@BjsCity 2 роки тому
Ok, THIS comment is a good one
@peterkelley6344 2 роки тому
I found it to be an interesting twist of events for the cycle of the case.
@singerofsongs468 2 роки тому
I can’t believe this was glossed over the way it was. How can we trust our current law enforcement system if it has demonstrated time and time again its high potential for abuse?
@impguardwarhamer 2 роки тому
this whole damn orwelian nightmare could have been avoided if they just decided to try and tackle police corruption instead of selling out their own people to centuries of future dictatorships to come
@theophanialily9186 2 роки тому
@@singerofsongs468 This channel is pretty solidly pro-establishment power.
@IsuruKusumal Рік тому
I really like this format of videos - perhaps you should also do one on the Zodiak killer
@SimonSozzi7258 Рік тому
26:00 The IRONY! 🤣🤦♂️ She used Duck Duck Go because she's paranoid about being tracked.
@Xitoshi 2 роки тому
In this video: "Trust the Police with your DNA" Also in this video: "Former Police Officer was a serial killer"
@fasihmuhammadkhan5248 2 роки тому
Joseph James was a good guy until he wasnt
@iceybrice 2 роки тому
These aren't just police officers finding these killers. This is possible for literally anyone to use. We used this to find my moms biological parents. It's available to everyone.
@jesperengelbredt 2 роки тому
Make it mandatory for all law enforcement personel to be registered with their DNA. That should cut down dramatically the number of criminal police officers.
@78tag 2 роки тому
Not many people understood the significance of that little tidbit.
@78tag 2 роки тому
@@iceybrice You have no idea what a simple little convenience like that has done to the whole world , do you?
@DoorThief 2 роки тому
Title yesterday: "your DNA is already in a database" *Sees title today* I'm glad I watched the other video where you test out different titles and thumbnails to see which is more effective
@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy 2 роки тому
This is the 3rd or 4th name change. I don't think this video is doing as well as he wanted.
@natalie5947 2 роки тому
I definitely agree with Derek's assertion that he is "bad at making video titles". I liked today's title and thumbnail and clicked it, but I skipped it yesterday. I think overall it's a net benefit since he does, in fact, create valuable content that's worth watching.
@haraldessert 2 роки тому
My new fun time activity is to wait and open the video only in a title/thumbnail I want Derek to think is more "effective".
@teakettle7021 2 роки тому
Thought i was crazy for a minute
@nathanberrigan9839 2 роки тому
It's trippy, though, when you start watching it with one title, have to pause, then come back a few hours later and the name is different.
@lexinicole4317 Рік тому
I love the lady taking you on the tour of the facility. She smiles so wide when you get excited about the topic
@CoffeeKnife 9 місяців тому
If anyone here is interested in the stuff about DNA possibly being used to discrimate, I strongly suggest watching the movie Gattaca because that idea is a core part of it's premise and it is an extremely inspiring story as well.
@rubberonasphalt 2 роки тому
The fact that the DNA lady was paranoid enough to make her search habits hidden with Duck Duck Go, says a lot about where her head is at, knowing what she knows
@mikecampbell8777 2 роки тому
Sadly though, she's using it in Chrome. So.... Is it really tracking her less?
@thelastxgamer 2 роки тому
@@mikecampbell8777 It's probably a company computer, so that might come with limitations on what you can download and run. Even then, it *is* tracking you a bit less, I think.
@TheSteveSteele 2 роки тому
Unfortunately Chrome installs Agents that constantly send out usage, location, software and hardware data along with any Cookies that are installed and it’s a persistent app that’s sneaky for the average person to remove, (last time I checked). Your search engine is a big part of your fingerprint, no doubt, but only a part of the overall picture. It’s ironic that a data collecting agency is using software that is itself a data collector. However, (or hopefully) this person’s computer probably isn’t a data critical workstation, and hopefully, again, the sensitive workstations are isolated on a protected network, etc… Maybe there’s a reason she’s using Chrome. She seems aware of the liability though.
@Alex-bw6yd 2 роки тому
Yeah, that got a chuckle and a sigh out of me.
@peanut3438 2 роки тому
But is Duck Duck Go open source or proprietary? If it’s proprietary then it’s not trustworthy
@besmart 2 роки тому
CSI: GATTACA
@Treppe85 2 роки тому
I was looking for someone else to have noticed that.
@nicholaskarig952 2 роки тому
@@ramchandravarshney4149 there is a movie called GATTACA that is based on a world where your socio-economic status in society is based on your genetics
@lystic9392 2 роки тому
@@ramchandravarshney4149 GATTACA is a movie that explores... authoritarianism based on genetics.
@PierreAugusteLambelet 2 роки тому
Wow, you just made me understand GATTACA, I'm so dumb...
@Zantam70 2 роки тому
4head
@mersontony 8 місяців тому
This is one of my top favorite videos of yours. It was incredibly interesting from beginning to end.... I feel the good that cones out of this so called new tool for law inforecment EXTREMELY out wieghs the bad
@meclazine Рік тому
One of the best genetic genealogy videos in terms of a scientific explanation.
@UselessDuckCompany 2 роки тому
This is scary stuff. What is used today for violent crime can be abused by those in power against those who threaten that power. That DuckDuckGo part was the loudest part of this video.
@17hmr243 2 роки тому
to late every c19 test u wait for. was ur consent to dna and ur name
@BernhardKohli 2 роки тому
Scary? This is the best way to prevent violent crime. you can regulate against potential data abuses but not against violent crime
@Tony-il8ly 2 роки тому
@@BernhardKohli just wait till patriot act #2 comes out allowing the government to use this to "search for terrorists"
@ripno2672 2 роки тому
@@Tony-il8ly I think the US government might consider doing this, and considering how much power most people would give a responsible government, our (irresponsible) government really shouldn't be allowed to do a lot of what it does.
@__Mr.White__ 2 роки тому
Exactly. And why are they storing 2 million samples? Weren't they already evaluated? Why keep them? 18:16
@jemangerrit1747 2 роки тому
I live in the netherlands. The Netherlands used to have a very good and detailed record of everyones information and bloodlines in the 20th century. Very well organized and all in one place. When it became clear that the Netherlands would be occupied by nazi Germany somoene tried to burn down this archieve but sadly the fire didnt destroy that much. The Nazis used this archieve to very affectivly identify everyone that was jewish in some way (including Anne Frank ofcourse), sometimes people that didnt even know jewish was in their blood line. This is what frankly irritates me about this video. The guy says its a mother vs somoene whos just umcomfortable. Its not, its a mother finding her child vs organized genocide. Morally it doenst matter that much what its used for now, what matters is how incredibly easy it would be for an evil government to use it for true horror. You cannot account for the government of the future
@harrison805 2 роки тому
It seems that people are now so comfortable with giving up their rights without ever thinking of the potential consequences. It was only ten years ago when people were outraged about the Snowden revelations, but nobody seems to care now.
@zacharyjordan399 2 роки тому
This is an excellent point, thank you for sharing.
@MarcSpctr 2 роки тому
just a quote from Capt. America "THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE RUN BY PEOPLE WITH AGENDAS AND AGENDAS CHANGE."
@Rimpelmans 2 роки тому
If such a filesystem was as evil as it is claimed here, surely modern goverments wouldn't implement one after WW2 right? Yet with modern databases it is now much easier to search for someones ancestry than it was in the 1940s, even with the Dutch filing system. I can't help but wonder if most people protesting on grounds of privacy are actually more protesting because DNA is relatively new than because of anything else. For instance, if you are really worried about your privacy you should definitely not use a mobile phone but I don't think many people seem to appreciate that or maybe they just don't care as much about privacy as you'd think.
@fishlordusername891 2 роки тому
@@Rimpelmans personally it's a complicated situation, because mobile phones are becoming more and more necessary over time as well - it's a point of contact when you're looking for work, it's a way to access the news, it's often the most convinient way of gaining information, communicating with others, sometimes even get work done. As the internet becomes more important, so does the mobile phone. But as the internet becomes more commercialized, a lot more data and privacy is given away as well, and while you can definitely use a special adblock to get rid of some of it, it's impossible not to get tracked completely. A lot of people DO worry about the internet, phones, and the way all that affects privacy, and not taking your phones to protests is something that I've seen talked about a lot during the summer. I feel like you're also putting too much faith into the government. A government is inherently neutral, and it's going to do what benefits it most - whatever that may mean. DNA databases do, legitimately, help solve crimes - so it's easy to just say "well, WE'RE not evil, so we should get to use it". It is a risk that they're willing to take, because in their minds, the present good it gives outweighs the potential future risk. That doesn't necessarily mean that risk doesn't exist though. I don't think we should be deciding "it's not risky" just because it's what we're currently doing.
@cedwardgalli 2 місяці тому
I was born and raised in Citrus Heights. Still live there. It’s crazy to know he was living here for so long. My mother was a teenager when he was commenting his crimes in the Rancho area. Growing up, we never left windows open, we always locked our doors and windows all because this guy. My mom always knew he was still out there and never caught. Crazy to know he lived so close for a lot of that time
@masudsaleh5155 Місяць тому
Lmao 🤣 🤣 Windows 🪟 in the western houses don't have metals protection
@cedwardgalli Місяць тому
That’s true. We didn’t have any kind of protection on the windows. Just a mesh screen
@signready Рік тому
Very informative and entertaining video. I had no idea how vast the DNA map would span or the ways that it can help as well as concern. Thanks!
@MattsAwesomeStuff 2 роки тому
Most people don't know this, but once upon a time (maybe still?), I think I read about it 15 years ago, several major printer brands would print out, on each printed page, a tiny, nearly-invisible grid of nearly-white dots in indistinguishable pale yellow ink. Single pixels. *The positions of these dots identified via a simple code the specific serial number of the printer that printed them.* Every page you printed had these on them, and you couldn't tell they were there with a naked eye, so, of course none of us ever noticed them. So, what's the problem with that? Well, suppose you're a murder, and you printed a page and left it at the scene. Law enforcement could eventually identify that your printed printed that page. Or your office printer, or whatever they seized with a warrant or perhaps whatever they could find in a warranty database. So far so good. *But what about someone who printed pamphlets exposing for example government corruption?* Someone trying to rally against a politician's opponent, or even just someone pushing for the power of police unions to be reduced? Now it's possible, with abuse, to to prevent corruption from being safe to expose. Genetic databases are the same. It's great to catch killers, rapists, and child abductors. But there is a massive potential to suppress dissent, and to make dissent too risky to consider.
@3nertia 2 роки тому
All part of the plan ...
@cfromnowhere 2 роки тому
This sounded like a conspiracy theory and I searched it in doubt, and damned it is real! It's called Machine Identification Code. There's a Wikipedia article about it.
@oxybrightdark8765 2 роки тому
is this why my printer won't print in black and white without colour ink?
@MattsAwesomeStuff 2 роки тому
@@oxybrightdark8765 that's probably as much marketing as anything, but, perhaps.
@neondemon5137 2 роки тому
All the smart serial killers use Kinko's.
@RyanShiels 2 роки тому
That duckduckgo at the end was just beautiful. It was like the end of a black mirror episode! All this talk of how dna is great to be used for law enforcement, and then opening up a privacy based search engine.
@98Zai 2 роки тому
It might as well be a black mirror episode.
@holdenrobbins852 2 роки тому
Something tells me her own DNA isn't in that database.
@Si74l0rd 2 роки тому
@@holdenrobbins852 I was thinking exactly that.
@geodarian1361 2 роки тому
there is some kind of strong irony that she would use ducduckgo
@aliasrehbar9693 2 роки тому
Precisely lmao
@_Longwinded Рік тому
One of the best medical science video I’ve ever seen in the world of YT.
@mfsperring 5 місяців тому
Im glad you did this I've had questions for awhile. My concerns about privacy is more what governments and businesses can do with that information. The life or health insurance mentioned is one example but history has shown us that technology can be used in oppressive ways. Think deciding on who can get an education or if someone is likely to be a criminal. Scary stuff. The other questions I have is about the technique they use to get DNA from crime scenes. I've heard terms like partial DNA or reconstructed DNA and can't quite get my head around them. Maybe that could be a future video. Thanks for another well done video.
@mackblack5153 2 роки тому
Derek is a genius for including that last bit about DuckDuckGo. It was very subtle of him to not blatantly point out the irony, but bold enough for the audience to understand exactly why he did it. Working from within.
@tobiramasenju6290 2 роки тому
Wait I don't get it?
@gyftedwon3209 2 роки тому
@@tobiramasenju6290 Duck Duck Go as a search Engine is designed to stop companies from viewing and tracking data as much, since on things like google or bing they sell private data for business. The irony was that she was using a search engine based on privacy right after advocating that you should put everything about your biological makeup into a database.
@memyselfandi6364 2 роки тому
She said she was paranoid at the beginning
@rutgerottens6064 2 роки тому
@@tobiramasenju6290 0
@USPInx 2 роки тому
I think the scientist caught that right away, her expression turned a bit on the stern side when she realized what was going on^^
@Alhoshka 2 роки тому
"That scale [between murder and privacy] is way the hell like this." Yeah... until murder is no longer a requirement for DNA data mining. Did everybody just forget about Prism and Snowden!?
@oksowhat 2 роки тому
in the 1000 page terms and condition there will be a small clause giving companies free hand to sell data,
@Charlemagne_III 2 роки тому
Yes, they did forget about it.
@professorfukyu744 2 роки тому
This video is made to reassure you that nothing can possibly go wrong. All hail the new world order!
@Charlemagne_III 2 роки тому
@@professorfukyu744 I got the opposite message.
@blest5132 2 роки тому
yes, yes they did, and tomorrow they will forget anything they learned today.
@cary_domiii 7 місяців тому
That deck of cards is SO INTUITIVE!! I'm so jealous that I did not thought of that before...
@noamanm3523 23 години тому
Another phenomenal video by Mr. Derek! My absolute salute to you, sir.
@0sac 2 роки тому
Despite GEDmatch's opt-in policy, in fall 2019, it was served with a warrant by law-enforcement in Florida, demanding access to all of its DNA profiles, including those of the vast majority of users who had not opted in to allow law enforcement access (at that time, approximately 185,000 of 1.3 million users had opted in).[94] GEDmatch complied with this warrant. From Wikipedia
@wnsjimbo2863 2 роки тому
Florida did something good , funny
@cowboyflipflopped 2 роки тому
If you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in.
@KostyaT 2 роки тому
wow, i did not know that. i had my data on it but did not opt-in when they changed the terms.
@sergheiadrian 2 роки тому
And that is exactly why I am reluctant to take a 23andme or ancestry DNA test.
@dandutton7077 2 роки тому
Yup! No privacy
@Sleepygrinder 2 роки тому
This is incredibly troubling. Privacy is so misunderstood, people think : "I've done nothing wrong, this doesn't apply to me, they can use my information." But it's not about you, it never was. It's about those who have access to it, what they can do with it, and what they could become in the future. And it's that last point that's critical. There's no way to know if and when your own government can take a turn for the worse. It's happened countless times throughout history and it's happening right now in several countries like China, Russia, Belarus, Afghanistan, to name a few. With such a tool to their arsenal, a government can dictate what is right or wrong and have the means to have absolute control. "It doesn't apply to me" you say? Think again.
@ashtar3876 2 роки тому
That's the thing. This would only work if the government had the exact same opinions and morals as you do, which often they won't.
@monhi64 2 роки тому
Yeah you guys have been saying that this is gonna happen since the 1970s when we really started to lose privacy. Privacy is never gonna exist it’s a utopian idea in any advanced society.
@JosephHenryDrawing 2 роки тому
this is so true, thanks for saying that!
@hi__im_zack4890 2 роки тому
In this case, the government doesn't even own the data, but your argument still applies. What if the corporations realized they could make more profit selling your data (I don't know what the terms of services are, but that has never stopped big corporations before). They could sell your DNA to health insurance companies to prevent you from getting coverage. They could sell your data to employers. I heard of a case where companies took life insurance policies out on their "at-risk" employees to make a profit without telling them. When the employee dies, none of the life insurance money made its way to the families. This is far from the only bad thing corporations have done and could do with this data that people are willingly giving them. This isn't to say that the government can't get access to the data. What if one day the government decided to cease the data from the DNA companies, or the companies decided to give your data to the government, as was mentioned in the video.
@furb246 2 роки тому
What can they do with your information that they can't do without it? Think about it. Do you think the government not knowing that you prefer apple pie over cherry pie will stop them from arresting you on trumped up charges if that's what they want to do? If they ALREADY have evil intent, they don't need any more information about you to act on that intent. Cops are killing people in the street for no reason, right now, today, and y'all think they need to know your DNA sequence to oppress you?
@user-xp8bq2sf2b 10 місяців тому
8:34 The playing cards example was amazing. Thanks for that.
@MadMaxMovieReactions Місяць тому
Bro this genetic explaining stuff is so interesting ty fr
@MooreDoing 2 роки тому
The title of this video has changed 4 times. He's definitely putting into practice the tactics outlined in a previous video on the subject. Seems to be working. The view count continues to increase.
@78tag 2 роки тому
You can only hope that with the continued viewing, more and more people will get Veritas's unintended message. The propaganda put forward in this report is an insult to humanity at this point.
@user-mj7qw6xo1u 2 роки тому
@Kadir Garip look at the cuts
@user-mj7qw6xo1u 2 роки тому
Well it’s not gonna decrease…
@Machiflores 2 роки тому
The count gets larger, but is the changing names whats drives it? or is another mechanism? Its kind of hard If you switch names, to see if one name is more interesting. Maybe the best is to have the same video with all the names published at start.
@mnnptl 2 роки тому
Changed it again now
@OXXOI77777 2 роки тому
The guy who was talking about how health insurance companies will try take advantage of DNA profiling is on-point
@ze_rubenator 2 роки тому
That only applies in the USA, though.
@jmojma 2 роки тому
@@ze_rubenator Yes, in India only about 40 percent are medically insured...and they are not really worth it and don't cover much of the expenses.
@piyh3962 2 роки тому
We say this is privacy vs murderers, but it includes all future application of DNA that are currently unimaginable today. Imagine I get all movie actors to sign away streaming rights in 1999. I'd be stealing billions from them. We're signing away our biometrics for eternity.
@notname4414 2 роки тому
And that, is just one example of many other uses this database could provide.
@jmojma 2 роки тому
@@notname4414 what is the other example?
@TheBnzr 5 місяців тому
I taught forensic science and during our unit on DNA evidence, I gave my students this question: Do you think we should have genetic privacy? We had a class discussion (called Socratic Seminar) at the end to wrestle with this question. Many of them hit on exactly the issue of privacy vs public safety.
@PloutosPlays Рік тому
"We don't work with law enforcement" Literally 5 minutes later, "We'll only work with law enforcement IF". No thanks..
@louisg.2640 2 роки тому
That card deck analogy explaining the presence of identical sequences of DNA in parents and offsprings might be the best analogy I've ever seen
@PinkyMinions 2 роки тому
Ikr, robbing that for my genetics class
@veritasium 2 роки тому
And I suck at cards so that one scene was a two hour shoot.
@vicente8749 2 роки тому
It’s a great explanation of haplotypes!
@Olon97 2 роки тому
It obscures some of the nuance of the coin flip in Meiosis 1, but on the upside could easily be converted into a whole classroom activity if you can find enough different colored card decks. I’m fascinated by the edge case where you can end up with a nearly 0% SNP match with a great grandparent if there is a streak of ending up with getting the other grandparents chromosomes.
@sandhanitizer15 2 роки тому
@@veritasium worth the two hours lol
@Herbie_Cucumber 2 роки тому
I would have appreciated more time spent actually examining the potential abuses that can arise down the line from the normalization of these practices, as the video is very one-sided in given views (all LEOs and DNA companies cooperating with them). There was only one brief mention of something like health insurance companies using it to determine coverage, and I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg regarding bad actors, public and private, who'd like to know more about you.
@consciouscode8150 2 роки тому
I don't personally see that much potential for abuse, at our level and for the next 100 years at least this DNA information won't be useful for much more than kinship queries or analyzing health risk factors. The fact that it isn't even really your data to keep private I think is what makes this not really a moral grey area, you share your DNA with your family of course they're not going to keep it private. I do wish they addressed the privacy concerns a lot more though because people in the comments are running wild with "if"s because the video left a big gaping hole there. At least cover immediate concerns like "they could determine your likes and preferences!" and debunk them
@DMitsukirules 2 роки тому
I personally feel that the entire spiel by them is exactly the best arguments against the entire thing. I can't imagine somebody walking away from this thinking how great it is...but then again, hey, who knows.
@turdferguson3400 2 роки тому
@@consciouscode8150 there's definitely tons of room for abuses here.
@TheTim466 2 роки тому
@@turdferguson3400 Care to give some more than the health insurance one? Haven't seen much else in the comments so far.
@ravirajyaguru5905 2 роки тому
Humans are masters of exploiting any given information for personal gain/benefits. So yeah, potential negatives must be discussed first, before discussing any positives.
@ZMacZ 11 місяців тому
They can add the start and ending non-same sequence into the database as well. That would make each repeat even more unique, but also provide better part DNA distinction. So for each repeat, they'd add the one before the repeat and the one ending the repeats string. Then with even partial DNA a search may come up correct.
@ZMacZ 11 місяців тому
The Verogen method can also lead to sibling or parential or even familial indirect identification. It makes sense that now that storage is like multi petabyte at low cost, that storing more detailed DNA patterns is also an option. Storing 10 million frames on each DNA pattern would make the whole of the nation recordable for a mere less than 1024 terabytes, or 1 peta, with enough leftover for 150 million more Americans. 128 x 8 TB drives spread over 16 small servers, needing less than 2m3 physical space, and through the spread allow for fast searches. Once laboratorial splitting of DNA goes out of the loop, and where instead the DNA is being read whole, with a fast chip descerning which is relevant, from sample to DNA search would need less than 5 minutes, with the search itself included.
@philipbuckley759 2 місяці тому
DeAngelo became the first public arrest obtained through genetic genealogy, a new technique that takes the DNA of an unknown suspect left behind at a crime scene and identifies him or her by tracing a family tree through his or her family members, who voluntarily submit their DNA to public genealogy databases.
@Scott-ly3ch 2 роки тому
"Is duck duck go, is that good?" Brilliantly baited.
@bridgebum826 2 роки тому
"Brilliant"-ly. I see what you did there.
@nikulkumar1907 2 роки тому
111 likes!!! not gonna ruin it 😅
@Shimeih 2 роки тому
@@nikulkumar1907 143 now
@ActionAdam 2 роки тому
Wait what does DuckDuckGo do?
@SGprooo 2 роки тому
@@ActionAdam it double ducks the go
@brixiu5 2 роки тому
I'm kinda bummed there is no expert that seems to specialize in critiquing genetic databases in this video. Seems like everyone presented has biases toward supporting the process.
@usser1138 2 роки тому
I mean most people have a bias against it anyways. This video shouldn’t change their mind
@richmelchr 2 роки тому
the technology makes their job easier.
@mikelisputnieks6307 2 роки тому
One of them was against at the end though
@sevoftalpha 2 роки тому
@@usser1138 I suppose so, but still it's part of the topic, and in this case it's not really just 'a' concern, it's THE concern people have over seeing information abused time and time again, private companies have shown very little reason to be trusted with personal data and discussing this aspect while discussing the pros, would have been pretty meaningful. Lost chance, it's but one video, still Veritasium had better standards when coverin other topics
@mattthelearner2797 2 роки тому
Yes, it is very, very scary and It's bound to get worse. Just remember what the UN's 2030 agenda says: "you will own nothing and you will be happy". The scariest thing is that a lot, if not most people with significant influence in the science community, support this agenda blindly and enthusiastically and don't want you to even question these things (which is extremely unscientific). If you believe It's just a conspiracy theory, just go visit the top universities...
@JulieDodgshon Рік тому
Also fascinating and well done Doc Dude!
@Redbikemaster 9 місяців тому
"I believe in X right, but..." A dangerous phrase indeed.
@ravingsofa...6 2 роки тому
We’ve already seen this exact story a million times, a technology/law is promised to be used in strict and certain ways but slowly gets expanded out over time.
@jackfrost-lr3tq 2 роки тому
Just this once we promise. Oh damn that was really useful. Maybe once more wouldn't hurt. DNA databases are a gateway drug.
@ericgulseth74 2 роки тому
Like Apple scanning users phones for CP. Easy to get behind as the initial reasons is highly altruistic, but it becomes a slippery slope.
@immabeabitinactiveonthisac6700 2 роки тому
No but this time it’s actually dif- hey we could use this to invade privacy and use terrorsim as an excuse
@JL1009 2 роки тому
"Detective! We found a pool of the killer's blood!" "Gross. Mop that up. Now back to my hunch"
@asmunddahlin1603 2 роки тому
They DRESS UP for the bank robbery!
@skyzu9558 2 роки тому
I was thinking about that the whole video
@tobiramasenju6290 2 роки тому
John Mulany(misspelled)
@JL1009 2 роки тому
@@tobiramasenju6290 why didn’t u just spell it right then lol
@DanRichter 2 місяці тому
The amount of work that goes into these videos... the calendar behind the woman at 18:40 says October 2019, yet the video wasn't uploaded until nearly two years later.
@masudsaleh5155 Місяць тому
Yes
@michellebwilson2610 Рік тому
Great animation on the diagrams. Kudos.
@tomisabum 2 роки тому
Kinda just breezed past the whole 'Former Police Officer Was The Killer' aspect to this story, didn't we. Someone who, if the tech existed, would have had access to such a system.
@XanderBlade 2 роки тому
Hey, excellent point. Your comment should go topside STAT!
@yoted 2 роки тому
Yeah, imagine if the guy used it to stalk a victim. For instance, he sees the victim at a coffee shop, grabs their used cup/tissue/whatever from the trash, then sequences it and searches it (possibly with the plausible excuse of looking for evidence from another crime). Now they know who the person is without having to follow them.
@moahhabiib 2 роки тому
What amaze me , they don't have all police officer in the DNA data base under fbi ?
@JohnBender1313 2 роки тому
This is gonna be part of the Dexter reboot. Lol
@salvarious 2 роки тому
Explains why they didn't get caught for so long.
@mouwersor 2 роки тому
Something nobody seems to mention: Giving the government more control is only desirable assuming the government will always act in your best interest. It doesn't, that would be absurd and ahistorical.
@yuridhjeeyn9034 2 роки тому
copied from another comment up above: (by Parker Barnes) "Trust the police with your DNA!" "The Golden State Killer was a cop btw..."
@Serjo777 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion And of course I can just leave my DNA at home or just break it and throw it in the trash like my phone...
@petterjy5047 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion thats different in so many ways.
@satellitecannon9463 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion It's the genetic information the main concern
@karl7428 2 роки тому
also, it goes beyond just your local law inforcement/government. if the govt. has your data, you may as well assume its publicly available to foreign governments, hackers, criminals, multinational businesses ect. leaks happen all the time with personal data
@Streetlight37 Місяць тому
You can really tell how excited she is and how much she loves her job
@sergiocervantes9870 6 місяців тому
This is such a delicate subject mate. I guess we have to hope for the best. We are giving up our privacy by using social media, ai don't see why not give it up for something that can do some good to someone else.
@peterpike 2 роки тому
The problem with technology that strips away privacy has never been about catching criminals. No one is concerned that murderers get captured because of it. The problem is that that's NEVER the end result of what it's used for, merely the excuse given to justify the eventual overreach. And once given up, it's impossible to get back.
@cheesecakedoublepeanutbutt6511 2 роки тому
People in power using safety as an excuse to invade people's privacy more and more, and most people are like "oh yeah, get the bad dudes, sounds good." and did not think deeper into what all those is about--it's always about control and power. Sure more criminal can be caught this way, but at the same time it is just laughable to believe such system will not be abused. Sure Apple will scan your phone for child abuse photos, but it'll never try to figure out your preferences on products and sell your data to Ad agencies, and/or try to figure out your political opinions and give that info to FBI. --it sounds ridiculous when I say it out loud, but unfortunately most people won't give a second thought on that otherwise.
@piratatazmania 2 роки тому
I sort of agree with your point, but also the reality is that people have used the exact same arguments against seatbelts! And in today's case, against masks and vaccines.
@savagebuck 2 роки тому
Just imagine how a totalitarian state could use these against dissidents.
@chaosjoerg9811 2 роки тому
@@piratatazmania You're conflating very different scenarios. Privacy protection is about others not being able to harass, blackmail or even murder you through the information they gained because it was available to them. More specifically corrupt cops and politicians don't get even more power. It is not about freedom of choice to do whatever you want. In the EU there is a debate going on to not view personal information like a personal posession but rather to treat it legally more like an assault on the body. The argument for the seat belt is mostly self protection, which is a very poor argument. But it is still weaker than the argument for protection of privacy. For vaccination is argued with herd immunity. That is a strong argument. Because the vaccination makes you sick, its justification to force it also needs to be strong. All these three topics follow completely different argumentative angles and have very different justifications.
@monhi64 2 роки тому
Give me one example of lost privacy that isn’t either to sell you something, advance research or for a crime. Why are y’all so suspect, nothing is going to change we lost privacy 40 years ago and that is a drop in the metaphorical ocean of our current problems today. I’ll never understand why people obsess about that bring up the fictional 1984 while ignoring literally everything else.
@parkerbarnes7726 2 роки тому
"Trust the police with your DNA!" "The Golden State Killer was a cop btw..."
@angelicagomez3082 2 роки тому
Haha good one
@sorinstroe6156 2 роки тому
maybe cops shouldn't have that much privacy that they can do all that murder and rape
@pvic6959 2 роки тому
that would explain how he knew how to stay hidden for so long. he knew what the cops looked for and could prepare for it. thats scary
@LovesGrilling 2 роки тому
Oof, that's a sick burn.
@LightSourceTemple 2 роки тому
If I wanted to kill people I'd definitely become a cop
@jrichardj09 11 місяців тому
You mention at 11:25 that law enforcement is not allowed to search the database of 23andme and ancestry, but a quick search of both of their transparency reports show that law enforcement have been given access to data, with a warrant
@martingo2680 7 місяців тому
There's a ton of videos on UKposts of how people are getting caught now throughout the process of genealogy. It's crazy!..
@holocene2164 2 роки тому
I think everyone would agree that using such information to catch predators is a good thing. And in a perfect world, I'm sure it could work without abuse. However, we all know that this data will be misused at some point, either by insurance companies, law enforcement or the government. So considering that it puts the rights and freedom of millions of individuals at risk, I think it needs to be used with a lot of caution.
@SamuelFilipesf 2 роки тому
Yeah, that's a very good point! Society and governments should come together and make strong policies about this. If they want to proceed in collecting DNA data then there should be bullet-proof fail-safe mechanisms to guarantee that this data can't be misused in the future - I mean what is there to guarantee that a future racist dictator cannot get hold of this data and misuse it? I don't know if this would solve the problem, but perhaps data of this nature should not be allowed to be saved by independent companies, nor even by individual governments. Rather it should be safeguarded by a multi-country organization (like United Nations?), who should create safeguards to guarantee that no one, nor any country could misuse it, and guarantee that all data would be destroyed in case the organisation falls or changes its policies.
@chelelee6321 2 роки тому
I agree completely.
@ghjgggtyf 2 роки тому
totally agree that power tends to get abused without some airtight laws and policies to protect people
@crabjockey 2 роки тому
or destroyed.
@HotMonkeyDik 2 роки тому
It should not be used like this because the potentional harm outweighs the potential good.
@Junon15 2 роки тому
As a Doctor doing residency training in genetics, the questions about consent for when a family member gets tested for disease risk, and how safe we are from discrimination in health insurance and healthcare are some of the questions that keep me up at night. Thanks for putting together such an incredible video on three topic!
@emko333 2 роки тому
it really shouldn't, is this a American thing? no government refuses healthcare
@eliteempireproductions4320 2 роки тому
My DNA is most definitely in a data base how do you trace it back to Africa
@michelleyb.9709 2 роки тому
@@eliteempireproductions4320 why stop there? DNA should be able to trace human evolution back to our emergence from the ocean
@acctsys 2 роки тому
Free market and law enforcement on privacy and fraud can keep it together. My thinking goes there are a lot of things to help yourself be healthy. If you do those, it should help you financially as well. If others waste their health, let them bear their burden. Charity is the reasonable plug to the gap.
@guminb6216 2 роки тому
@@acctsys You may take care of yourself but there are also genetic predispositions. No all is up to your control...
@RenaudAlly Рік тому
This video is so damn important and touches on something that our entire society is heading towards. What decision will the world, or law, make in the attempt to strike a perfect balance between public safety and individual privacy. My heart wishes that the latter is prioritized but alas it will probably be a dystopian future where most individuals have their DNA on cloud
@GI_Jimbo Місяць тому
That guy was so concerned about privacy that he goes by the name "Dr. Doc Edge" like pff come on that cannot be your real name
@GryphonBrokewing 2 роки тому
"Gattaca" is a nice reference when it comes to these sorts of things. Liked that thumbnail. Yes, certainly a powerful tool for catching criminals. Also powerful for abuse.
@AdumbroDeus 2 роки тому
And the killer they talk about was an officer.
@scienceinc.9453 2 роки тому
Exactly ;)
@hwykng82 2 роки тому
we watched that in my science class at school back in the 90s
@liptoncheetos 2 роки тому
@@hwykng82 we watched it in my high school bio class in 2018.
@dhoyda 2 роки тому
If a person (or group) possesses the level of understanding necessary as well as the level of general intelligence needed to "abuse" this data for something malicious, then they probably can do many other terrible things without needing DNA to accomplish their goal.
@Desertneo 2 роки тому
Not sure why, but letting you know that what lured me to this video was the name change. Not because of the actual name (the previous one was also good), but because I remembered your other videos about video names :D
@phoenixfoster-smith8585 2 роки тому
same lol
@tejasas7046 2 роки тому
I guess previous name was 'Your DNA is a database or storage' something like that
@cumanhiburanML 2 роки тому
And the thumbnail too
@RealCoolGuy 2 роки тому
The previous name drew me... I probably would not have clicked on this title
@jcrjr383 2 роки тому
Same
@valeriewarkins3704 Місяць тому
Theres also a use case for large-scale genomic analysis to study diseases. Having a public database with some basic demographic data attached could be really huge for public health and safety.
@Asd-tk2if Місяць тому
Not for safety. Most likely not for health either.
@chadjones1266 10 місяців тому
The irony of using a search engine that does not track your information at a genetics lab is pretty thick.
@harrison5280 2 роки тому
Edward Snowden remarked "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." He considered claiming nothing to hide as giving up the right of privacy which the government has to protect.
@nickymoloney4218 2 роки тому
And if people have nothing to hide - they can just open their doors to the GOV-t and neighboors (witnesses), coming in and checking: what law did you break this second? Just give copies of all your keyes to the GOV-t! (they don't need that - they can just break doors)
@miramallo30 2 роки тому
"he who has nothing to hide has nothing to fear". Yeah. Just see what someone may answer on that issue who hid a Jewish family during holocaust.
@LiftPizzas 2 роки тому
Just because I have something to hide doesn't mean I've done anything illegal.
@wacotexasmayor4573 2 роки тому
This is how sifi movies start
@NihongoWakannai 2 роки тому
@@LiftPizzas Even if you do something illegal, that doesn't mean you've done something immoral. Protecting jews during the holocaust was illegal.
@internetazzhole7592 2 роки тому
"If you don't do crimes then you don't have anything to worry about." "I trust people with a lot of power not to screw me over."
@theodoreharvey4814 2 роки тому
have you read animal farm or 1984 by chance?
@stevem815 2 роки тому
Or you trust them not to make the things you want to do it into crimes.
@user-zt3dv5cl4b 2 роки тому
Hahaha, indeed...
@Avighna 2 роки тому
@@theodoreharvey4814 yes, animal farm. history is going to repeat itself isn't it?
@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin 2 роки тому
Whenever they say it's "for the greater good" you absolutely need to be skeptical. Nothing good has ever come from that sort of reasoning.
@isaacchock7678 Рік тому
My thought is, as long as I’m never committing crimes I should be fine. But then, I think about how tech companies can track our preferences and personalities- if the government decides it doesn’t like people of certain personalities or opinions and can then track those to genetic probabilites… that’s where it’s dangerous. Really the usefulness of any tool and the ethical use of it depends on the moral character of the people using the tool.
@avagreen9795 Рік тому
Amazing doco, thanks heaps.
@Simrasil_ 2 роки тому
I'm not a big fan of private organizations having a catalog of personal information that they can use to identify and track people without their consent. The anecdotal success of "hey we caught this one really bad guy" does not justify the violation of privacy of literally everyone else imo..
@themonsterunderyourbed9408 2 роки тому
You are 100% correct.
@newfiejiggs 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion doesn't mean we should just give up the rest of our privacy. I can turn off my phone, i cant change my DNA
@malbacato91 2 роки тому
@@newfiejiggs I can turn off my phone, and I can jump of a cliff. neither of them I want to, but on different scales
@koho 2 роки тому
It's not your personal information. You share it with relatives, and you don't control what they do. That genetic interconnectedness is what makes it a tricky privacy issue.
@oksowhat 2 роки тому
what are you saying, they will have like a thousand page terms and condition, and in one like they will put that they are free to sell your dna data to advertisers, privacy is a myth my friend, moreover i belive at one point there will be enough data that the agency will only contact the criminal not the person whose dna was matched since they can make the family tree without contacting that guy, so you will never know so no worries
@Syy 2 роки тому
Loved the editing of this video! Constantly swapping between different people telling the same story to build the overall narrative was very RadioLab-inspired and worked really well for keeping me engaged.
@sHorTaDaM2 2 роки тому
Thank you for bringing that up. I knew I recognized that style but wasn't sure from where.
@bitterlyhonest2307 2 роки тому
The thing is that their will always be good and bad people. This method make bad people irrelevant due to the good will of good people.
@charlescurrie7911 2 роки тому
I thought the same thing that or the 99%
@averyherren7366 2 роки тому
@King Pistachion to ok
@averyherren7366 2 роки тому
Ok uuh I'll you u I'm p
@Anna-rs4mx 2 місяці тому
I was one of his victims in East Sacramento suburb. I was 26 and had two baby girls in the house. I had heard of him for years. I just got really, really quiet and only expressed my fear over my children. After, he did the oddest thing…he started to cry and said he was sorry. I told him I was ok and to get himself a drink out of the fridge and just let himself out. Then…I counted to 100 slowly. It was so silent. My husband was an AF pilot and gone that night on base. I got up and ran to my close neighbors…then the shock and fear kicked in. The police and detectives came…they were really kind. They brought me in to check the girls who had slept through it. I lied and said there was no rape. I refused to leave my girls to go to the hospital. But I did say he went to Catholic school (he said “may I” instead of “can I”-no one gets that right unless you were taught by nuns), and that he probably was military. My marriage didn’t last too long after that…maybe 9 months. I wasn’t allowed to discuss it. I shut it down until he was caught and it all came flooding back. So my advice is to talk about it , process it, get therapy.
@kcsvantasticvoyages9729 8 місяців тому
Glad that DNA is going to catch a lot of these murderers!
@allieante503 2 роки тому
"You're giving away something that you don't know what it can do." *gulps*
@VolkColopatrion 2 роки тому
We give away what is precious and we give it away without a fight
@davieb8216 2 роки тому
This reminds me of how an anti terror unit in Australian is being used against comedians/journalist's. Only took a couple years for it to be abused.
@jskratnyarlathotep8411 2 роки тому
we can see that the issue is not in another privacy violation. The issue is that people don't care about the government and allow it to do whatever they want
@bhanuvaishnavi7538 2 роки тому
okay now I can't sleep fun.......these technologies didn't reach third world countries where everything gets abused even if it can't be.....so something like this is going to be veryyyyy much abused
@superneenjaa718 2 роки тому
@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 don't put responsibility on someone who have little to no power to prevent this. How would you not allow them to do this? By voting the opposition? What if opposition does the same when they come to power?
@lindsaytang1017 2 роки тому
Mostly unrelated but gladys has resigned
@mouseii88 2 роки тому
@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 come out with a solution that have the government do nothing to stop criminals and criminals are being stopped. Then we talk about people not caring about letting the government do whatever they want. Throwing it to a for profit security firm is no difference than not caring what the security firm do to keep you safe.
@michaelinglis567 6 місяців тому
Statistically you'd think there must be at least one or more serial killers who saw this video and are sweating it out wondering if something they did 30 years ago is about to catch up with them. Crazy to think about.
@galaxyofreesesking2124 48 хвилин тому
I just hope that no one eventually tries to make the argument that you could somehow become _implicated_ in the causation or propagation of crimes, just because you are against the sale/use of your private information.
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